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Posted on 05-Sep-2002 16:45 GMT by ari42 comments
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Amiga.Org Reports :
"Next Saturday afternoon,at the French event "A-Expo/Alchemie 2", some components of the AmigaOS 4 will be demonstrated on Amiga 4000 with CyberstormPPC.

These components are:
The new Intution.
Roadshow (the TCP/IP stack).
MediaToolBox (the new HDToolBox).

Source: Amiga-News.de/Amiga Impact."
OS4 Demo : Comment 1 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Frederik Yssing on 05-Sep-2002 15:39 GMT
lets see some clarification from hyperion first
OS4 Demo : Comment 2 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 05-Sep-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Frederik Yssing):
Just read amiga.org and you will see that Ben himself wrote
that this is all they gone show.
OS4 Demo : Comment 3 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Varthall on 05-Sep-2002 16:09 GMT
Good news! Finally we'll see something more concrete of the new AOS. How they will show the tcp stack working? Maybe with a browser (AWeb perhaps?) ?
Varthall
OS4 Demo : Comment 4 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by ari on 05-Sep-2002 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Varthall):
IIRC IBrowse 2.3 is shipping with OS4 , maybe they'll use that .. or have a quake II multiplayer?
OS4 Demo : Comment 5 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by buzz on 05-Sep-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (ari):
oh yeh quake 2... what we have all been waiting for..
really exciting..
OS4 Demo : Comment 6 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Sep-2002 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (buzz):
Wow, i can feel the excitement dripping of your post!
Come on guys & girls, both Hyperion & Bplan are working their asses of to provide us with something new, and yet you whine & bitch arround
GROW UP!
OS4 Demo : Comment 7 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 05-Sep-2002 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (buzz):
Quake2 ???
How about this one :
http://home.arcor.de/f_menzel/quake2.lha
And no thats not the Hyperion-port, but I think someone is gone kill me
for producing to much traffic onto a private site *g*
OS4 Demo : Comment 8 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by ari on 05-Sep-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kronos):
and who said anything about it being the hyperion port ? Altough the leaked hyperion port did do multiplayer.
You might want to pull you head out your arse kronos , you'll get yourself in trouble.
OS4 Demo : Comment 9 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 05-Sep-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (ari):
Huh? What's your problem?
Seeing things that no one else sees?
OS4 Demo : Comment 10 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 05-Sep-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (ari):
Mmm I just wanted to make clear that it is NOT the (leaked)
Hyperion-port, but could it be that someone else has nose
in smelly places ?
OS4 Demo : Comment 11 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by ari on 05-Sep-2002 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (anon):
Have a look around amiga.org , you'll see what i mean ;)
I loved someones booby prize of a week in a phonebox with kronos comment , pure genius.
OS4 Demo : Comment 12 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 05-Sep-2002 18:57 GMT
What we'll show (with my friend Ben 'OneVision' Yoris, and maybe Stephane Guillard too) include :
Media Toolbox, Intuition (as already said in the posted news)
Partition Wizard (the repair/check/salvage... tool)
Amidock
CD FileSystem features
New Shell really usefull feature (I love that one, you'll see ! )
and maybe more, who knows...
OS4 Demo : Comment 13 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Wollert on 05-Sep-2002 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Elwood):
Will you show PPC native version of that tools?
OS4 Demo : Comment 14 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Lando / Trinity on 05-Sep-2002 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kronos):
Thanks Kronos. Looks like Hyperion's been beaten to the post on this occasion. Is the sourcecode for this new port available for download anywhere?
OS4 Demo : Comment 15 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 06-Sep-2002 04:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Martin Wollert):
No, 68k versions only. Why ? Because many beta-testers don't have a PPC and those boards are pretty rare today. Why not on the A1 ? Because hardware dependencies are not completely removed yet.
OS4 Demo : Comment 16 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 06-Sep-2002 04:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (ari):
> You might want to pull you head out your arse kronos , you'll get yourself in > trouble.
Did I miss something?
OS4 Demo : Comment 17 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Sep-2002 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Lando / Trinity):
Probraly on the same site (not that I have checked) or
just e-mail the author/porter.
OS4 Demo : Comment 18 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Whatever! on 06-Sep-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Elwood):
Can I ask a simple question here?
When is AmigaOS4.0 coming already? This is ridiculous!
You can at least make slightly accurate projections! Everybody else does!
After going to the new Apple stores this past weekened and playing with OSX on a dual G4 processor for $1600 bux..to hell with A1/AO4! You guys (Hyperion/Eyetech)lost ALOT of non-recoverable sales due to your pathetic delays. Your hardware/software specs are now even MORE below industry standard! The specs were a joke even from the beginning! The A1's existance promotes a regression in computing!!! Who cares if it comes out or not now! Wake up people!!! ... what the hell are we all EAGERLY AWAITING for here? The oportunity to purchase overpriced, substandard hardware to run a majority of outdated software...FASTER?? Oh Thannnnnnnk you soooooo much for this wonderful opportunity Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga Inc!!! You guys TRULLY... and I mean this from the botton of my heart... trully have your fingers on the pulse of cutting edge technology. Oh yeah.. same goes for MorphCrapOS/PegasCrapos!
OS4 Demo : Comment 19 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by john on 06-Sep-2002 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (ari):
That was me. A light hearted throw-away comment. http://amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2860&forum=1&19
Sometimes people need to get out of their ivory towers and chill out a bit. It was a humorous thread, which are sorely needed in these times of major league advocacy.
-john ;~)
OS4 Demo : Comment 20 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Sep-2002 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Whatever!):
Yes, old slow hardware excites us, does that bother you?
Also, featureless software & buggy OS'es excite us, does that bother you?
Wait, buggy OS'es is what Microsoft writes :) And Apple's hardware *isn't* overpriced??
Go buy an Apple dual G4 (i sell them), you'll love it, *IF* you can actually use it, this ain't a gamers machine, nor is it a mainstream machine, if your into DTP or DTV you'll love it, otherwise don't bother
As for why we want the A1 or Pegasos, it's simple, we love to *use* these systems, live with it
Amon_Re
OS4 Demo : Comment 21 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 06-Sep-2002 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Whatever!):
Oh, that really came from the depths of a heart I guess ;)
To answer your question: "when it's done". It can't be here earlier. Of course they could have released SOMETHING, but...well, I guess that most of us want something READY and mature.
Same applies for MOS I think.
OS4 Demo : Comment 22 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Whatever! on 06-Sep-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amon_Re):
>Go buy an Apple dual G4 (i sell them), you'll love it, *IF* you can actually >use it, this ain't a gamers machine, nor is it a mainstream machine, if your >into DTP or DTV you'll love it, otherwise don't bother
It has a more up to date game library (second to the PC) than the A1 and it has a Nvidia Gforce4 card which is INCREDIBLE. How can you say APPLE is NOT MAINSTREAM???? You're living with blinders dude!
OS4 Demo : Comment 23 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Sep-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Whatever!):
And Pegasos has ATi RadeON 7000, 7500 and 8500. So what?
If you want, you'll be able to run Mac games, using MacOnLinux:)
OS4 Demo : Comment 24 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 06-Sep-2002 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Whatever!):
It;s NOT mainstream ..
apple as is right now is for DTP and DTV ....
No games except BIG titles....
I'm a mac technician and I own 3 macs..
Just tell me where can I find a good soccer game??
'cause virtual soccer ain't good.
sensiblr soccer kicks the ass of virtua BUT no fifa (which is the best)
And now tell me when a computer has ONLY 1 soccer game (soccer is the sport with most fans in the world) and not good enough can you call this computer mainstream ????
I can't
OS4 Demo : Comment 25 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 06-Sep-2002 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (StormLord):
Some loony whose nick I've already forgotten wrote:
"And now tell me when a computer has ONLY 1 soccer game (soccer is the sport with most fans in the world) and not good enough can you call this computer mainstream ????
I can't"
Some people have really weird priorities.
(anyway, there IS only 1 soccer game, it involves a round ball, a few pals, and fresh air. I think he needs some urgently)
OS4 Demo : Comment 26 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (StormLord):
>It;s NOT mainstream ..
>apple as is right now is for DTP and DTV ....
>No games except BIG titles....
>I'm a mac technician and I own 3 macs..
>Just tell me where can I find a good soccer game??
Dude.. you REALLY need to look up in the dictionary the word MAINSTREAM....
Apple IS MAINSTREAM.. it is LESS POPULAR THAN WINDOWS/PC but it is STILL MAINSTREAM. Loser...
OS4 Demo : Comment 27 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 06-Sep-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (StormLord):
StormLord wrote:
> Just tell me where can I find a good soccer game??
Nowhere! On any platform!
A soccer game is a game involving soccer (or football, since it's played with a ball and your feet, as opposed to that wrestling-over-an-oval game they're amusing themselves with across the pond), and anything involving football in any way can't be good.
;)
But seriously, Apple hardware is still more mainstream than POP derivates like Teron/A1/Pegasos et c., so naturally AmigaOS should be sold for this as well.
Much hardware, many vendors, good for software. Little hardware, few vendors, bad for software. One piece of hardware, one distributor, can it get any worse? http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/. Simple. :)
OS4 Demo : Comment 28 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Yeah big enough to have M$ bailing them out so they don't go bankrupt, oh wait..
Seriously though Mac is big enough to have a blip on the radar to consumers. Whippy flippin do. WTF are you hear? You think amigas are crap, go put on your makeup in front of your lovely iMac. Those things are so feminine is scary.
OS4 Demo : Comment 29 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Seehund):
>A soccer game is a game involving soccer (or football, since it's played with
>a ball and your feet, as opposed to that wrestling-over-an-oval game they're
>amusing themselves with across the pond),
At least on this side of the pond they don't prance around in butt-shorts.
OS4 Demo : Comment 30 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 06-Sep-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Seehund):
ok you email apple to the get the docs to code Aos for Apple HW. SIMPLE
OS4 Demo : Comment 31 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by RAG on 06-Sep-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
No, they stand around in groups for 2 minutes every 3rd minute smelling each others arses looking very masculine with their full body armor so they won't hurt themselves...
:)))
OS4 Demo : Comment 32 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 06-Sep-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Alkemyst):
Alkemyst wrote:
> ok you email apple to the get the docs to code Aos for Apple HW. SIMPLE
Yup. Simple. I knew you'd understand eventually, Alkemyst. ;)
There's no need to e-mail Apple though. Or were you thinking of "old" heavily custom Mac hardware (even though other OSs than Apples also run on that hardware)? I was not.
When you say "you", you also touch another important aspect. If AmigaOS was also for sale separate from hardware, without the compulsory licensing/hardware-vendor-installed-dongle idiocy, then it wouldn't necessarily have to be Hyperion who did the porting work. A third (or fourth...) party could do it, like the way Bernie Meyer, i.e. somebody else than AInc/Hyperion/H&P et al., is enabling AmigaOS 3.x to run on x86 hardware with Amithlon today, or like phase5/H&P once made AmigaOS run on a hodgepodge of 68k+PPC with Warp/PowerUp.
OS4 Demo : Comment 33 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 06-Sep-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Seehund):
Oh give it up already. Do you really have to go through this argument yet another time?
.
SlimJim
OS4 Demo : Comment 34 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 06-Sep-2002 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Seehund):
no Amithlion is emulation so is UAE for linux,window & mac but just better.
& Mac comes with MacOS a PC comes with window & AmigaOne comes with AmigaOS... simple & lovely :)
OS4 Demo : Comment 35 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Cheney on 06-Sep-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Alkemyst):
If the super-bowl champs played against the
worldcup champs in "round" football, they
would no doubt lose badly, but if they gave
the world-cup champs the full "body armour",
and played the "oval" football, you would have
to have dozens of ambulences waiting to take
the broken remains to the hospitals, if not
the morgue...American football requires
strength, agility, speed, and attention to minute
detail, with voluminous play-books, sets, and
timing sequences.
The body armour is only there to
prevent death and maiming, not to prevent injury.
Ever been in a locker room after a game and
witnessesd the medical staff on hand go into
action?
Roundball soccer is great as it stands, but
don't think for a moment the average pro player
could last a quarter between the goalposts
against 300 pound linemen who can catch them
from behind and pound them into the turf...
Tearing, dislocation, and breakage, anyone?
OS4 Demo : Comment 36 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by q on 06-Sep-2002 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Cheney):
Just plain stupid... you can't compare two totally different sports. Similar way, "I think that those players of "oval" football would be very badly hurt at ski-jumping and fail miserably at pole-vault". Just that some sport can make severe injuries to non-professional athlets of it makes it someway more greater.
OS4 Demo : Comment 37 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (q):
terrible typos.. =)
OS4 Demo : Comment 38 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (q):
>Just plain stupid... you can't compare two totally different sports.
No it's a response to the post:-) Lighten up already. No one is disrespecting soccer(football). He was just pointing out that football(American football) is an extremely physical, violent sport. I take jokes about football players patting each others butts in stride, take jokes about soccer players wearing hot pants and such in pride;-)
OS4 Demo : Comment 39 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Whatever! on 06-Sep-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
>Seriously though Mac is big enough to have a blip on the radar to consumers.
That's right
>You think amigas are crap,
No, I just think the new ones will crap.. I love my old Amigas!
>go put on your makeup in front of your lovely iMac. Those things are so >feminine is scary
Women are feminine too.. what's your point!.. errr.. what does AMIGA mean in Espanol again???
OS4 Demo : Comment 40 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 07-Sep-2002 12:47 GMT
So has anyone managed to get that Quake 2 port working? (Comment 7)
OS4 Demo : Comment 41 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Cheney on 07-Sep-2002 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Cheney):
...comment 31 implied American football players
are wimps, so afraid of pain that they need
"body armour", as compared to soccer players
who, by implication, are much more courageous
and talented, so I pointed out the truth...
if he had so ridiculed ski-jumpers, I might
have come to their defense, also.
...ahh, the sight of a 300 pound Oakland Raider
sailing off the 90 meter ski jump...
LOOKOUT BELOWWWW!!!!
....sigh....
I wouldn't even be here if the
A1 was for sale now...
OS4 Demo : Comment 42 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Sep-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Whatever!):
Well, calling it not mainstraim was abit harsh, i'll admit, but how many people do you know that own a Mac that *didn't* need it for their work? I know 4 ;)
But still, compared to the wintel marketshare, apple is a small fry, and the Amiga's market is like a one-celled organism :(
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