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Posted on 06-Sep-2002 00:56 GMT by Loki91 comments
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Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 1 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Sep-2002 00:24 GMT
Oh.. write surely can he.. Politician should be he. Talks a lot says a nothing of value.
Saddest thing is that this surprice sneak-atack behind cover tactics they have taken on this Legal IP issue leaves too much room for speculation and misinterpretation. I think many of us would like to know are who they are actually going to sue? So many months have gone with all this mudtrowing and namecallingn.. They could have ended it with clear information who they are after. Now it will take months (years?) and this all goes on and on.
Nothing new about Sendo, OS4 or AmigaOne and especially no info about other developments of DE/AA... Only noticeable movement (shift of balance) is toward Amithlo*. But if Amithlo* stays OS3.9 compatible how it fit's into Hyperion's et all plan to brave new future? Somehow I can't belive there will be OS4 compatible PPC_kernel Amithlo* with Jit-PPC running Jit-68k, I really don't belive it would happen anytime soon.
And yeah.. Developers, Developers, Developers.. Why I do I remember that video clip of M$ boss (Steve Ballmer) trying to inspire people. Sorry Mr McEven, I'm not feeling too exited. Please call me when there is something ready availble.. and not another 'exitement happening soon'.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 2 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 06-Sep-2002 02:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
> Saddest thing is that this surprice sneak-atack behind cover tactics they have
> taken on this Legal IP issue leaves too much room for speculation and
> misinterpretation. I think many of us would like to know are who they are
> actually going to sue? So many months have gone with all this mudtrowing and
> namecallingn.. They could have ended it with clear information who they are
> after. Now it will take months (years?) and this all goes on and on.
I'm sure the reason why they can not say who they are going after is the potential for a slander lawsuit hoist upon them immediately after the decline of interest from those who remain faithful to the Amiga in name only. I think there are people out there who would love to know which particular companies they need to boycott in order to support this legal action Amiga Inc. is taking. If you look between the lines though, it's really easy to tell who exactly they talk about from prior press releases and Amiga show interviews of those involved with the further development of OS4 and up. I'm not saying it's obvious but you'd have to be living under a rock to really not know who they are after. Personally, I would like Amiga to make a public announcement regarding the particulars of the IP they are going after and how each company (after the lawsuit is over obviously) is in violation of the IP.
hmm... now that I've read that twice, I don't think I worded it properly to my meaning... must be the alergy meds kicking in... never the less, a good post.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 3 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 06-Sep-2002 03:43 GMT
o.k this is the last amiga inc update i'm ever going to read. It's like a cult thing that is approaching a mass suicide.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 4 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 06-Sep-2002 03:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (cheesegrate):
No news--true... Nice to see new pics of OS4. Did anybody expect anything different than AmiWest--this soon? No, it isn't the most the most wonderfull thing I've read, but so what; I didn't get angry reading it. :) OS 4 looks to be almost ready, and they learned to display their 4.0 pages in a professional manner. Looks good.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 5 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Sep-2002 04:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (cheesegrate):
You just *now* noticing the simularities? Oh, an on the topic of Exec Update, never thought I'd see anything related to The Name of Amiga pimping Intel stuff. But if the Faithful Followers of The Name Cult can accept Gate's partnership (as if), I suppose they can accept Intel based notebooks.
Dammy, wondering when they are moving from Sequami (sp) to Rio Ranch and for someone to Amigafy the Heavengate/Nike posters...
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 6 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 06-Sep-2002 04:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (dammy):
well the attempt to inflame riteous anger against these evil ip breakers among the sheep is new...
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 7 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 06-Sep-2002 04:35 GMT
Well JoannaK, cheesegrate, dammy and whomever of the AInc (Ohh sorry that should probably be Amino to you guys) haters cult club who choose to join in.
At least they keep you guys happy ehh? Otherwise you would have nothing to complain about and no chance to generally show off your great personalities.
/Björn
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 8 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Sep-2002 05:30 GMT
"Amiga is a giant resting for the day of the fight, and gaining
strength quietly, for, as we embark on this mission together, nothing
will tear us
apart."
I don't think Bill can have been reading ANN lately. ;-)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 9 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Sep-2002 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (dammy):
"Oh, an on the topic of Exec Update, never thought I'd see
anything related to The Name of Amiga pimping Intel stuff."
Where does it say Intel? The computers mentioned are just as likely to
be AMD (or Transmeta).
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 10 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Desmon on 06-Sep-2002 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
Don, can I suggest you read the article again.
I have no problem with Intel hardware, just BTW, but wonder who exactly is putting these notebooks together.
Cache Ya,
Craig.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 11 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 06-Sep-2002 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Desmon):
does it matter as long as they have an amiga brand name on them?
I mean we have been waiting for amiga machines for so long and here they are at last.. ;)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 12 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Sep-2002 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
Tsk, tsk. It's says Celeron and Pentium 4. Surely those are brand names used only by Intel? ;-)
But why is this bad? I haven't compared the prices, but if it's delivered with Linux and the new xxxithlon and the PRICE IS GOOD, and it doesn't have a guarantee based on MICROS~1 products being delivered with it (I see that a lot), then surely it's not a negative point, is it? I could use a portable since I have a really good deal at work about not having to come to the office unless there's a meeting or I'm working closely with someone else. So far I haven't used that opportunity because I only have PPC computers with Linux at home (except for various Amigas that are divering towards games consoles). I'll be needing a couple of software packages that need both x86 hardware and Linux, so an x86 laptop without Windows would be RIGHT up my alley. Maybe even paid for by the company ;-)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 13 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 06-Sep-2002 06:38 GMT
So everyone cant know who they are getting all 'legal' with, good for them.
Until there is a result, and someone comes out saying 'we won and heres why' i dont really care, although it does take lots of peoples fun away to speculate and chuck names and accusations about (amazingly as done already).
Go watch perry mason if you are that interested in law proceedings ;-)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 14 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 06:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
"MICROS~1"
LOL.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 15 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 06-Sep-2002 07:39 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that the following page:
http://os.amiga.com/os4/ has some other OS4 links which were updated yesterday?
AmigaOS 4 Features - features and modules to be included in AmigaOS 4 - last updated: Sep 5, 2002
AmigaOS 4 GUI screenshots of the AmigaOS 4 Graphical User Interface - last updated: Sep 5, 2002
AmigaOS 4 Menus screenshots of the AmigaOS 4 Menu system - last updated: Sep 5, 2002
AmigaOS 4 HD Prep screenshots of the AmigaOS 4 HD Prep utility - last updated: Sep 5,
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 16 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Sep-2002 07:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
"Tsk, tsk. It's says Celeron and Pentium 4. Surely those are brand
names used only by Intel? ;-) "
Whoops, I missed that bit. I still think "pimping for Intel" is a
silly comment. Why is it worse than using CPUs from Motorola or IBM?
None of these companies are run by saints.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 17 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 06-Sep-2002 07:44 GMT
The new OS4 AmiDock pics look nice!
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 18 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Sep-2002 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Björn Hagström):
Björn.. I just use Amiga.Inc to diffrentiate this corporation currently holding trademarks form real stil existing Amiga (computers/users/etc) they most of the time have nothing to do with. It's just sad coincidence they have taken same name as the brand they purchased.
I can't say Hate them.. I just don't blindly belive that Bullshit they release anymore. I know some people do, I don't. And IMHO I have right to say it aloud.
...
About those pictures.. Well.. I have never before purchased Amiga computer cause it has cool gimmics on WB screen, and I need to wait still another 5 months (or so, my estimation) to find out how this OS4/ppc systems Feels on use.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 19 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Sep-2002 08:31 GMT
"two weeks" "amazing" ... bah.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 20 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 08:34 GMT
Order your AmigaOne :
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1
?!?
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 21 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 06-Sep-2002 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Mikey C):
References to AmiDock have been added to all the pages you mentioned.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 22 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 06-Sep-2002 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Budda):
Oh! (Disappointed)
Mikey C
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 23 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Sep-2002 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (the man in the shadows):
Problem is that these *Amiga Gruupies* attack to anyone and everyone who are not 100% among themselves. There should be some limit on this, some kind of sense to it all. I understand their will to fiercely protect what they think is right but as their targetting is mostly quesswork (and 3rd party heresay at best), so in the end they insult and alienate a LOT of people from 'their ideal and pure Amiga'.
Like me.. I have had no decent Amiga in years. I have been hoping to get one with PPC over a year now. But when I see these barrel trowing monkeys I really honesly consider Linux once more. It's not what I want to use, but at least it has some decency in cult followers.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 24 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (JoannaK):
>But when I see these barrel trowing monkeys I really honesly consider Linux
>once more.
Oh yeah, real friendly people in the Linux community-LOL-Slashdot is just so full of love
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 25 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Sep-2002 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Desmon):
BTW, celerons are not the best choise for emulator systems (Amithlon) due to their small cache. P4 would be OK thogh ...
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 26 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 06-Sep-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (takemehomegrandma):
I assume they will be using Celerons with Tualatin core, and they have as big cache as the old Pentium III with Coppermine core (IIRC it's a 32KB/256KB cache).
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 27 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 06-Sep-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Could it be because of many choices? IMO Linux offers a lot of to choose: the distribution, desktop environment, window managers etc.. these choices divide the community into smaller communities..just like PUP/WOS, AOS4/MOS..
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 28 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 06-Sep-2002 10:03 GMT
I'll bite: it's not *new* news but it is
news and an update, work in progress if you will.
I'm glad AI are taking the time to remind us they're
still there and telling us the way they see it.
I'm not a big fan of AmiDock. This version is probably
running on AOS 3.9 68k but never mind. How do you grab
a screenshot of a new intuition or tcp stack ?
koan
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 29 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Sep-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Björn Hagström):
Besides the typical drivel from Bill's postings, atleast Berniethlon seems to be still alive. Although I do find it highly amusing that they are now thinking of peddling Intel (probably Gateway) laptops as Amigas. But since they are now officially sleeping with Gates, I suppose the rabbid, froathing at the mouth Faithful Followers of The Name Cult won't mind shelling a couple grand out for x86 latpop, right? It's got a Boing sticker! W00t! W00t!
Dammy
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 30 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Sep-2002 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Actually, I've met alot of nice Linux folks out there who have lend me a hand. I can probably say that I have had a hell of alot more help from those who are also Linux users then I have from the <cough><cough> pure Amiga users.
Dammy
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 31 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> Oh yeah, real friendly people in the Linux community-LOL-Slashdot
> is just so full of love
In all the years of posting to Slashdot (Karma: Excellent) I've
never experienced anything other than good manners. ANN on the
other hand is full of no-brainers. The only Amiga messageboard of
any substance is MooBunny, and that's only true since Neko
dissapeared (thank the Lord)!
If you don't like the Trolls on Slashdot, just browse at +2/+3
(or don't read the comments at all).
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 32 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Sep-2002 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
"If you don't like the Trolls on Slashdot, just browse at +2/+3
(or don't read the comments at all). "
> don't read the comments at all
Same here, if you uncheck unmoderated forum and don't read the comments the site is almost clean.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 33 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (dammy):
Where exactly are they pendling Intel laptops as Amigas ?
All I could see was an offering of an Intel laptop running AmigaOS (via Bernies emulator) - something many, many users have been after for a long time.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 34 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Joe Vidueira on 06-Sep-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
The update was good and inspiring news all around. Amiga continues to move forward, despite all the obstacles.
One of the reasons for their success, in my view: Bill's indefatigable optimism!
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 35 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Joe Vidueira):
:-)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 36 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 06-Sep-2002 14:51 GMT
Who is most the most blind follower of the name I wonder, - those accepting that paying money for a brand means ownership of it,
or those refusing to call the company anything else but 'Amino' because its policies doesn't fit with their own personal vision of what the name 'Amiga' should mean?
Or at least, who is the least childish?
An extended line of thought:
Seriously, who cares about the excess fluff in the executive update. The update being there at least shows activity, things happening. A far cry from the long silent years we had under previous owners. Bashing AInc in public won't do anyone anything good. I have no problems with people having differing views, but all this bull about 'the name cult' is just plain weak. Consider this:
Most of us that are left are hobbyists. Sure, we cling to this particular old computer because we like it and hope that the new Amiga will be as good. The people that control this future is the owners of the brand Amiga, a brand that actually IS worth something - it has a reputation that gives a slightly better chance of this thing becoming at least semi-popular again one day than if we would call it something like - oh 'Morph' to grab an example from the blue.
You may dislike those owners or not, but the fact is that it is not OUR money on the line here. We risk nothing but a failure in satisfying our sentimental ambitions. They do. (Writing this I realize that those paying the club fee of $50 might not agree ;-)
Most accept that this is how it is. AInc can -and will - do whatever they like to 'our' Amiga, since they have paid for 'the Name' (and some other things) and we haven't. The will do what they can to survive. Some accept this fact, because it's the only way it can be done.Some don't, because of some personal notion of 'Amiga' being a higher etheric notion of pure and good and not a piece of ancient computer hardware.
So who really comprise the "Name cult" in that crowd?
.
SlimJim
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 37 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Sep-2002 14:52 GMT
"because of you, Amiga's are still being used throughout the world performing amazing tasks and activities, and because of you, we are still here and moving forward."
First I would say "thank to you", not "because of you" but this is not really important.
What is really important is that I can NOT say the same think to Amiga Inc.
Amiga Inc almost did al;ost nothing for the classic / AmigaOS.
Here is my opinion as a long time Amiga user:
Amiga could have started the OS4 project back in 2000 and we would already have a working system today.
instead of that Amiga ignored the userbase and threatened that we would not have AmigaOS 4 PPC if AmigaOS 3.9 would not reach 50.000 sales.
Then Amiga find out about MorphOS and decided to go with Hyperion for OS4.
I'am gratefull for the MorphOS crew, for Eyetech, Hyperion and the other developers that made the classic Amiga alife these last years and that try to bring us a future.
I'am not gratefull at all for AmigaInc that brought us a good theory on the write once, run everywhere and that provided to us, the end users only a few games to run on pocket PCs through former AmigaOS developers.
I hate to say it but if the Amiga company was dead in 2000 the Amiga third parties could already have working solutions for us today.
Thendic participated more in Amiga events in the last weeks than Amiga did in the 2 last years ... pathetic for AmigaInc
It looks that anyone with management skills could have managed to contract MorphOS as the main OS4 contractor, eyetech / bplan / elbox for hardware producer, Hyperion for game kit / 3d / games , etc ...
Instead of that we have a late project that was started just to counter attack the mos effort. Instead of trying to manage the existing developers Amiga helped to split even more the (small) market.
Amiga just owns the name and wants to make maximum money from the people that are dedicated to the Amiga without having a vision for the future, a real dev plan.
All the ZICO specs, the OS5 are bables. Just something that cost nothing to trow at our faces to make us wait. The AmigaDE desktop project looks dead.
Most of the announced partnership did not produce anything. We don't know were we go, what is coming. We are supposed to run anywhere but commercial applications are just reaching pocket PCs.
Well good luck for anyone beleiving in all of the DE stuff. It did not help us (except maybe a few game developers), it did not make any money for the Amiga dealers, Amiga developers etc.
For me the AmigaDE stuff has nothing to do with the Amiga we know. It is just a parasite that lives of the classic Amiga sick body.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 38 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 06-Sep-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
Don, Pentium 4 1.6 Ghz, tends to imply Intel (since they are the only company manufacturing Pentium 4's).
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 39 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 06-Sep-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (JoannaK):
5 Months? Quite an optimist, I would say they are on target for a late summer 2003, at least 12 months, unless they sell it with an pre-alpha version installed.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 40 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 06-Sep-2002 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Christophe Decanini):
Agree 100%, they seem to screw up at every point, anyway the users still left are happy with the nonsense that keeps getting recycled on McEwen's updates, (yes read his executive update from 2 years ago for example, same exact crap), nothing gets done. Now they are trying to say they are going to sue the longtime amiga developers still interested in the platform, who have moved it forward inspite of Amiga's incompetence, and are much more worthy of the so called our trust then Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss (ask yourself what either of these two self proclaimed amiga luminaries ever did for the Amiga, other then make promises, including promising to not make promises). Personally, I believe these legal threats are nothing more then a delay tactic, to keep people from purchasing working Pegasos Systems, instead of waiting ages for the AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 setups.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 41 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Bandaren on 06-Sep-2002 16:33 GMT
Bill writes:
"I can tell you that the new product will be out very soon, and will offer some new requested features, and from what I understand is really going to knock your socks off. We will have an update concerning the timing of this release and the new name very shortly. So contrary to what you may have heard, it will be available soon."
To me this is like the number 1 way on how to NOT sell things in the Amiga world in the year 2002. I thought that it was generally understood by everyone by know. I even think Bill McEwen said something like they would not publish anything that are not out and could be bought after the Sharp Zaurus and Nokia Mediabox failure at AmiWest 2002.
The biggest thing I think people wants to know before buying or even considering an Amiga branded x86 laptop might be the compabillity with OS4.
I think there is many more things that should have been straighted out about the laptop deal before they try to get peoply to buy them. There is simply not enough facts!
just my thoughts... (and this only concerns the laptop deal...)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 42 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Sep-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Bandaren):
"The biggest thing I think people wants to know before buying or even considering an Amiga branded x86 laptop might be the compabillity with OS4.
I think there is many more things that should have been straighted out about the laptop deal before they try to get peoply to buy them. There is simply not enough facts! "
I think exactly the same thing. That shows how they try to get incomes without any vision of the future. They split the market once more. Berniethlon may be an excelent product but it is not clear how it will handle AmigaOS4 sofware.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 43 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 06-Sep-2002 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (SlimJim):
Posted by SlimJim (130.235.59.132) on 06-Sep-2002 16:51:23
> Who is most the most blind follower of the name I wonder, - those accepting
> that paying money for a brand means ownership of it,
> or those refusing to call the company anything else but 'Amino' because its
> policies doesn't fit with their own personal vision of what the name 'Amiga'
> should mean?
Except of course, it wasn't a noble cause of buying the Amiga name for the community, to support the community. It was clearly a vehicle for them to establish themselves in a marketplace as "existing" entity that could bring in (and failed) developers by the loads and Venture Capital based on the Fanatics coding night and day for a decent JAVA OS. Once you admit to yourself, it has been about them (Billed&Fleeced), and only about them and their thirst for VC, you can realise that this who "Amiga Kommunity" has been a scam over the easily duped. As the VC funds get tapped out, here comes a new methods of raising capital (coupons) for basically them doing nothing but allowing someone else to take risk.
>Or at least, who is the least childish?
Once you can pry those rose tinted glasses off your face, you may come to understand what I and others have been saying for awhile. But I suppose that's figting some sort of addiction of self delusion so I doubt many of the Faithful Followers Of The Name Cult can do that.
> Most of us that are left are hobbyists.
I'd say most of the hobbiest, the ones without such emotional attachement to the leadership of the current owners of the Amiga trademark, can see just how far so many people have gone off the reservation while following Billed&Fleeced. Those of left on the reservation are either looking at which is best for PPC (HYPEOS4 vs MOS) or opting for AROS and or Bernithlon.
> Sure, we cling to this particular old computer because we like it and hope
> that the new Amiga will be as good. The people that control this future is the
> owners of the brand Amiga, a brand that actually IS worth something -
Worth what and what does this POP Box have to do with Amigas more then a Intel laptop running Berniethlon does? All in all, the laptop sounds like a MUCH better deal.
> it has a reputation that gives a slightly better chance of this thing becoming > at least semi-popular again one day than if we would call it something like - > oh 'Morph' to grab an example from the blue.
I'd say either have about the same chance. Amiga is mostly remembered as a game machine, and that is not going to happen again. If anything, Amiga is a negative as it is associated with annoying fanatics who still think their box is better then a multi GHz x86 box. I'm not saying MOS has any better chance either. I rate both pretty low in survivaliability.
> You may dislike those owners or not, but the fact is that it is not OUR money
> on the line here.
This is entirely true. I just don't like the wave after wave of BS being thrown at the Amiga Community (spelled with a C, not a K) by the current trademark holders nor their subcontracting henchmen.
> We risk nothing but a failure in satisfying our sentimental ambitions. They
> do. (Writing this I realize that those paying the club fee of $50 might not
> agree ;-)
What did PT Barnem say, "There is a sucker born every minute."
> Most accept that this is how it is. AInc can -and will - do whatever they like > to 'our' Amiga, since they have paid for 'the Name' (and some other things)
> and we haven't.
They certainly can do what they wish to do with the name. That does not, nor has it ever, mean they have bought my loyality by purchasing a mear trademark. I'm not plastic enough to accept that arguement. The only product I will purchase that they will see a small royality from is Berniethlon. Other then that, they can go take a long walk off a short pear that is in the middle of shark infested waters.
> The will do what they can to survive.
Again, if they were doing so by what most accept as fair game rules, very few would be bitching. But of course, playing by such socially accepted rules won't generate VC funding for them either.
> Some accept this fact, because it's the only way it can be done.Some don't,
> because of some personal notion of 'Amiga' being a higher etheric notion of
> pure and good and not a piece of ancient computer hardware.
Pity there can't be divorces in such situations as the community now finds itself in with the current owners of the Amiga name. Tao has nothing to do with Amiga nor it's OS. POP mobos have nothing to do with Amiga design and principals. HYPEOS4 and MOS should be compared to on a point by point basis and then allow individuals to decide which they want to buy. Amiga Community wins this way, they get choices. Of course, FFOTNC think such choices are harmfull and only the one true Boing way is acceptable for every true Amiga user.
> So who really comprise the "Name cult" in that crowd?
Go ask to see a raise of hands who bought the $50 coupon...
Dammy
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 44 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Sep-2002 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Christophe Decanini):
" I think exactly the same thing. That shows how they try to get incomes without any vision of the future.
Well.. What else could one expect from them. Their many month long Fear campaing has apparently failed, looks like no-one gave them free money from nothing. Now they have to spend money to get it.
"They split the market once more. Berniethlon may be an excelent product but it is not clear how it will handle AmigaOS4 sofware. "
There is no split until this longwaited OS4 arrives (that is about 3 to 12 months away, depending whom you ask) and archives enough user base so that companies start making OS4-only products. (and this takes much longer if ever happens.)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 45 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 06-Sep-2002 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Christophe Decanini):
"I think there is many more things that should have been straighted out about the laptop deal before they try to get peoply to buy them. There is simply not enough facts! "
and
"I think exactly the same thing."
well, if you arnt sure, think about it.. he's asking for your opinions so how about EMAILING THEM IN!
jeez, life is not a free lunch, so dont expect people to think for you and expect it all to turn out nice again.. oh wait, its much easier to complain isnt it...
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 46 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Sep-2002 20:00 GMT
*sigh*
Guys, girls, give it a rest will ya, Amiga Inc is a privately held company trying to survive in a market filled with sharks, the fact that they're atleast trying to get things done is admirable, same goes to Thendic/Bplan, i might not be a fan of MOS, but that doesn't mean i'll go arround bashing it, in the past i've expressed my doubts about MOS, and i still have those doubts, but do you hear me whining? Nope, the only thing that makes me whine these days are the forums filled with mud & fud
Amon_Re
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 47 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Sep-2002 22:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
JoannaK typed:
> Oh.. write surely can he.. Politician should be
> he. Talks a lot says a nothing of value.
Is this Yoda-speak now? "Around the survivors a perimeter form?" "Strong with the Force is he?" "Do or do not; there is no 'try?'" ;)
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 48 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 06-Sep-2002 23:44 GMT
So what's the big problem with Amiga Inc offering laptop computers pre-installed with "Bernithlon"? From what I have read, the major problem with Amithlon was that it was very selective about what hardware it would "fly" on, "limp-along" on or "refuse to work" on. With desktops, this could be worked around by replacing the odd graphics/modem/sound/ethernet card with a supported one. Unfortunately, when it comes to laptops, this becomes a rather limited solution so actually selling pre-configured machines that have been fully tested and have the "Amiga Inc stamp of approval" seems like a VERY good idea.
Of course, I think the idea of limiting OS4 to "certified" mchines is also a good idea so what the hell do I know? :)
Anyway, I see the logic in it due to my experiences using BeOS on laptops. While my first two laptops worked fine with it and could instantly access my home network after installing, my latest laptop refuses to work properly with it and BeOS will not detect my ethernet.
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 49 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 07-Sep-2002 04:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (JoannaK):
>Björn.. I just use Amiga.Inc to diffrentiate this corporation currently
>holding trademarks form real stil existing Amiga (computers/users/etc) they
>most of the time have nothing to do with. It's just sad coincidence they have
>taken same name as the brand they purchased.
Do you guys have nothing better to do then to wait around for any opportunity to bash Amiga Inc like a bunch of nerds that you are?!? Please! Btw, if you haven't noticed the new AmigaOS is being developed on "classic" hardware with PPC cards, and will also be demoed on similar hardware. So don't worry, it will run on your severly out dated 68K based Amiga.
Fact is there is no community just anarchy and Amiga Inc is just trying to find their own way out of this mess, and along with them many will follow. Amiga Inc isn't just about trademarks and IP but of market reality, something many people on this site are completely out of touch with. I don't agree with everything that they have done but they do listen to the community and they seem quick to react and adapt. I just hope they didn't put too much faith in this so called "community" as it seems to me we can only match their hard work and commitment with criticism and mud slinging. Amiga Inc isn't the problem, the community is.
- Mike
Amiga Inc Exec Sept 02 Update : Comment 50 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2002 08:15 GMT
"Are we delivering on the plan? yes." quoth Bill.
Interesting.
So where's the Sharp Zaurus on sale with AmigaDE pre-installed?
Where's the Nokia NetThingyWassname?
Where's all these apps from Corel (that excellent example of partnership you were touting until recently when you simply deleted all old news because it proves you are most definitly NOT doing anything according to your Plan)?
What about the Party Pack and the associated U-Turn - didn't see THAT written in your Plan.
and where the fsck are these free updated to the AmigaDE SDK you promised over a year ago and which are STILL not available? Or was that announcement not part of the Plan?
According to yor Plan, we shoudl be looking forwa to AmigaOS4.5 in the next couple of months, having enjoyed AmigaOS4.0 and the AmigaOne on November 1st last year.
Heck, according to your Plan, there willBE no AmigaOS, as Classic AmigaOS is dead, Long Live AmigaDE.
Face it, Bill. It is easy to say you are delivering according to your Plan when you change that Plan every other week (due to failure to deliver on the previous Plan).
Bill, I am sick and tired of your lies, your weasle-words, your constant change of Plan.
you have had YEARS to put up or shut up. you have consistently FAILED to put up, so Bill, have the decency to SHUT THE FSCK UP.
*sigh*
(And before anyone flames me, which they will!, can YOPU point out where this Zaurus for sale with DE is; where the Nokia Jobbie is; where AmigaOne/AOS4.0 frpom Nov 1st is; where the Corel products are; etc)
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