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[News] New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Sep-2002 15:25 GMT by pixie31 comments
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Amiga has released new screenshots from AmigaDock to the upcoming AmigaOS 4. Amiga has released new screenshots from AmigaDock for AmigaOS 4.

AmiDock is a completely redesigned version of OS3.9's AmiDock, with lots
of improvements in terms of usability, loading-speed and optical feedback.

Included here are a few screenshots to give us a general idea of what to be <b>expected from AmiDock...
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 1 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 06-Sep-2002 13:33 GMT
looks good to me :)
gimmi os4!
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 2 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by bbrockie on 06-Sep-2002 21:36 GMT
Wohoo!! OS3.1 with tons of extra Shareware + Freeware apps..
Now, I don't have to spend $$$ on my Internet connection, downloading from Aminet
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 3 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 07-Sep-2002 02:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrockie):
Well, the goal is to not have to depend on 500 different sources for things you consider part of the OS, or do you prefer using a time-limit crippled TCP/IP suite that can't be registered because it's author seems to be in the witness protection program?
Sure, that's the better approach. =)
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 4 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Byford on 07-Sep-2002 04:55 GMT
Nice to see that at last they are doing screenshots on at least a fairly decent screensize rather than a stupid 320x### or 640x### screen! This actually appears to be 800x600 or more!
One thing about this amidock - can it be "glued" to the backdrop?? I use Dopus Magellan and its better than any other dock solution *currently* available, the only thing I dont like is that you can't glue it to the backdrop so the bars will come to the front of the windows if you use the back gadget on a window sitting on top of the bar ;/
But otherwise it all looks very nice!
Roll on release (and shark(+)!!)
Bifford
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 5 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2002 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Sam Byford):
"Nice to see that at last they are doing screenshots on at least a fairly decent screensize rather than a
stupid 320x### or 640x### screen! This actually appears to be 800x600
or more!"
Who's "they"?
Surely each of these developers is doing his own screen shots.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 6 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 07-Sep-2002 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrockie):
Have to agree, nothing new really, at least when it comes to the look, just a plain wb3.1. Had been nice if they could have shown something that really is new and can't be downloaded from AmiNet.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 7 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 07-Sep-2002 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
Actually, a couple of the screenshots received from the developer were larger. However, originals greater than 600px wide were resized using methods that result in little or no sign of artifacts or graininess.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 8 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 07-Sep-2002 11:30 GMT
Some of the negative guys on this thread seem to be forgetting that os4's MAIN feature still is nothing more or less than it's amiga os running on a native ppc system.
Everything else is just little extra and as such should not be expected to be more special than it really is.
Hyperion's trackrecord gives reason to believe that their os development will not certainly stop at the first public release of os4. If only B Hermans would stop his crap throwing contests with MOS and thendic :( I used to think mr. hermans was one of the last ppl in amiga market with at least some level of professialism. That hasn't shown much lately...
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 9 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 07-Sep-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (gz):
Where are they native PPC?? Read the comment on the other tread about the demonstration
of some os 4.0 parts?? All 68k!
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 10 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 07-Sep-2002 13:25 GMT
Have you heard about C compilers? Change a switch and after a new compile the code is running on another enviroment.
Take it easy!
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 11 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Chip):
LOL. Obviously you have no clue what you're talking about...
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 12 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 07-Sep-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Trizt):
> Had been nice if they could have shown something
> that really is new and can't be downloaded from AmiNet
What would you have shown? Haven't you noticed AmigaOS *IS* a collection
of things that can be downloaded from Aminet?
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 13 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Sep-2002 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Actually OS 4 is nearly 100% compatible with OS 3.x on a source-code level so migrating code from 68K to PPC is dead easy.
It's only slighly more complicated when you are using a compiler other than GCC but even then, any skilled developer can easily migrate his code in a very short timeframe.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 14 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Actually OS 4 is nearly 100% compatible with OS 3.x on a source-code level so migrating code from 68K
to PPC is dead easy. "
Presumably the whole thing (except Petunia) can be compiled for 68k
and run on a standard Amiga.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 15 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2002 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Again you show your total lack of knowlege.
Go home and learn your lesson or at least consult your
tech staff before posting.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 16 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Sep-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
I'm posting this information after consultation with Thomas Frieden, author of Exec SG.
I'm pretty confident he knows more about OS 4 than you.
Both Thomas and Hans-Joerg Frieden have repeatedly and publically confirmed the near 100% source-code compatibility of GCC based OS 3.x source-code with OS 4.
Somehow I do tend to believe them rather than you.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 17 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 07-Sep-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> Again you show your total lack of knowlege.
> Go home and learn your lesson or at least consult your
> tech staff before posting
You think the environment is different for 68k and PPC in OS4? Why? This has been done before you know, it's not like this is alien technology or anything, Jesus. It's very trivial, really.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 18 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 07-Sep-2002 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
lol & you know you were talking crap, thats why you did not put your nick name in,
& stand up & be counted like the rest of us
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 19 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Sep-2002 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Okay, so explain how callback hooks, inputhandlers, interrupt code and
similar work?
They must be 68k code or else old 68k apps could not run at all. If you
compile your app for PPC, all code will be PPC -> problem.
And claiming there will be PPC native replacement for all applications
is just plain silly. Users will need to be able to run 68k apps.
Is there some automated hack that handle these cases transparetly?
How are registers mapped between 68k and native PPC code then?
And please do answer, I bet future OS4 developers would love to know
this too.
This is just one aspect of the 68k->PPC code porting, there are
several other issues too. It is *NOT* as easy as just switching the
compiler to generate PPC code.
**some moaning and bitching removed**
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 20 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 07-Sep-2002 23:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Give your name or shut up, troll.
You should know that 68k apps on AmigaOS4 will run in Petunia, the 68k environment.
You will also know about the new library interface that will allow PPC apps to use legacy 68k libraries, and legacy 68k apps to use new PPC libraries transparently with no code changes.
Amazing how Linux can be made to compile for x86, PPC, Alpha, MIPS, ARM, ... isn't it. All by simply targetting a different processor...
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 21 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 00:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Chip):
Then why did AInc start that VP Elate Amiga DE crap?
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 22 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 00:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
So there is still hope for Amithlon users? :-)
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 23 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Sep-2002 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
The same way the run on MorphOS, if they are implemented propertly...
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 24 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrockie):
> Wohoo!! OS3.1 with tons of extra Shareware + Freeware apps..
>Now, I don't have to spend $$$ on my Internet connection, downloading from Aminet
Yeah, lay off that silly internet connection charge, then I won't have to listen to you!
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 25 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 08-Sep-2002 13:52 GMT
Personally, I am very happy with the screenshots I see.
On the surface, it may look like AmigaOS 3.x with the familiar add-ons and patches that people have added over the years. This is ok with me.
For me, the most important things are:
- that most of it will be native PPC code
- it must be as stable as a rock
- the various bits and pieces must work seemlessly together.
As for colours, and look-and-feel, as long as I can tinker with preferences, colours, backgrounds, screen savers, etc., I can make the Workbench look unique.
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redfox
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 26 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by X on 08-Sep-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (redfox):
If all of these new OS 4 components are still made in 68k
why not make a Amithlon based x86 OS 4.0. It looks like
it's possible code wise, but not politically... A big shame!
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 27 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 08-Sep-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (X):
I never said anything about 68K code.
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redfox
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 28 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 08-Sep-2002 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (X):
I think it would be nice to have a PPC based AmigaOS4 and a Amithlon based x86 OS 4.0, but right now that does not seem to be in the cards.
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redfox
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 29 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Because they want to confuse simpleminded beings like yourself ... no really, if you were interested you could have read about "the why" more than enough.
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 30 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (X):
A native x86 port is more difficult than either an emulation (amithlon) or ppc conversion (os4).
New screenshots from AmigaOS 4.0 : Comment 31 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Sep-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Here's the official answer from Thomas Frieden:
Hooks and input handlers are just 68k code that is called from PPC. No
special precaustions are needed, the emulator will catch instruction
reads from illegal code segments and just assume they are 68k.
For interrupts, there's a different mechanism. Interrupt code is called
through specialised hooks (struct Interrupt), which contain a full
struct Node (including type). There are now two types that actually
define an interrupt, NT_INTERRUPT, which is an old 68k interrupt, and
NT_EXINTERRUPT, which is a PPC native interrupt.
> They must be 68k code or else old 68k apps could not run at all. If you
> compile your app for PPC, all code will be PPC -> problem.
That's the usual bullshit, and that's the prime reason for the exception
based cpu switches: With our approach, there is *NO DISTINCTION* between
68k code and PPC code. All code is _assumed_ to be PPC, and is jumped to
accordingly. But PPC code is only loaded into specific virtual segments
(these are flagged as executable). If the CPU tries to fetch
instructions from a non-execute segment, an exception is triggered, and
the emulator will pick up. Likewise, the emulator know which segments
contain PPC code, so if a 68k program wants to jump into PPC code, the
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