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[News] Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of octoberANN.lu
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Presentation of the commercial release of Morphos on 12th of october in Hilton Hotel Frankfurt, Germany. As seen on www.morphos-news.de : Betatester II scheduled for 12 October, Hilton Hotel Frankfurt Thendic-France and bplan will host Betatester II at the Hilton Hotel, Hochstrasse 4, Frankfurt from 0900 to 1800, a buffet lunch will be served. Highlights of the conference will be: o Presentation of the commercial release of MorphOS o Demonstration of new and old applications o Release for testing of three new peripheral devices: the smart card and reader for security and loyalty/payment systems (the "Trusted Community"), the DataPlay disc drive, and a wireless mobile camera. Ten Developers will be selected for testing with the DataPlay and the camera based on performance as a Betetester and relevant development experience. All Betatesters will receive a personalized smart card and smart card reader. All key individuals from the Thendic/bplan will be present. All Betatesters and the MorphOS Development Team will be admitted free of charge. All others will be admitted for an afternoon demonstration from 1500-1800 for 10 Euros. All participants will receive a Thendic/bplan T-Shirt and non-alcoholic drinks will be available. Please contact info@thendic-france.com for more details.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 1 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 06-Sep-2002 19:46 GMT
With the presentation they really need to lock down a list of features complete with screenshots (not fuzzy at a distance photographs) detailing each of the features. So far I have not seen anything of MorphOS that comes close to making me raise an eyebrow. I'll still reserve all judgement of the OS until I see it in action, but for crying out loud... a detailed list of features is not at all hard to do once the feature set has been locked down and the product in beta.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 2 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by HammerD on 06-Sep-2002 20:05 GMT
Awe...come on! Serve me some booze there! We need a real celebration! :)
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 3 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Sep-2002 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (the man in the shadows):
Agreed, it would be cool to know just *what* MOS is cabable of doing besides running legacy amiga apps, it seems that's all it does judging from the comments i read lately ;)
So, anyone in the MOS camp feeling bored enough to enlighten us?
PS: Congrats on releasing that thingy (if you meet the date)
Amon_Re
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 4 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Sep-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
Good question.
What are the major 'serious' applications lined up for release optimised for MOS?
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 5 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Sep-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (the man in the shadows):
Yeah, you'd think they would do screen grabs and not photos of monitors. So, I take it that this is the kick off of the Betatesting of MorphOS 1.0?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Sep-2002 20:42 GMT
I think that the MorphOS crew has a different tactic than the Hyperion crew.
They want to have a surprise effect.
If you are shwred enough you may get some hints on some things that have not been released to the beta tester yet.
Of course I expect to have a full list of features as soon as MorphOS is released.
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Posted by JoannaK on 06-Sep-2002 20:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
"Agreed, it would be cool to know just *what* MOS is cabable of doing besides running legacy amiga apps, it seems that's all it does judging from the comments i read lately ;)"
Note that I still have not seen MOS myself, so I may be totally wrong here. Allthough I'm quite sure there will be lots of people to come correct all mistakes I may make in this post. :)
What I have understood it's capable on running those apps without legacy hardware and with just PPC processor. Something OS4 does not seem to be able to do in a long long time. And being fully PPC system with native written OS-core it's first (amigalike)OS allowing full PPC speed programs without dropping to 68k core system (like those Pup and Wos softwares must do). So it should be quite a lot faster than those even when using same PPC-Turbo on old A1200.
And when Mos+Pegasus arrives it'll be fastest (Non x86-emulated? Amithlon with High end P4 or Athlon is a darn fast on 68k code.) Amigish system ever.. I have no idea if OS4+AmigaOne woudl be slower or faster... but having PPC-only OS4 takes quite a while.
Totally new features? Hmm.. not seen it so can't comment. But I bet there are many here who have used it and this can tell more.
"So, anyone in the MOS camp feeling bored enough to enlighten us?"
Uh? I'm in camp now? Ah well. Just please don't sue me in mistake, I have done no coding or stolen any old computers. :)
"PS: Congrats on releasing that thingy (if you meet the date)"
Don't know about others, but at least I want to see that running when it arrives. It may well be something good enough so I don't have to start using Linux as personal-os.
Joanna
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Sep-2002 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
Christophe Decanini typed:
> I think that the MorphOS crew has a different tactic
> than the Hyperion crew. They want to have a surprise
> effect.
The information lockdown has been amazing. In the military they call this OPSEC, for Operational Security. It requires an extremely disciplined team to not let any of the secret stuff out. Very impressive as well for Ralph, who has been known to fire off a public rant now and then.
Anyhow I guess this makes October 2nd "M-Day?" It is less than a month away!
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Posted by Hagge on 06-Sep-2002 22:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
"What I have understood it's capable on running those apps without legacy hardware and with just PPC processor. Something OS4 does not seem to be able to do in a long long time."
You have based the last part of that on what?
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Posted by Jack Me on 06-Sep-2002 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
"What I have understood it's capable on running those apps without legacy hardware and with just PPC processor."
Just a processor? No other hardware? That is cool.;)
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Posted by Elektro on 07-Sep-2002 00:07 GMT
No booze? Man it's gonna be empty... :D :D
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-Sep-2002 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Hagge):
Joanna has YET to give ANYONE except herself ANY credit in public, so don't bother with her ;-)
Joanna: I'm just teasing, but you must by now realize that your constant whining about EVERYTHING that's connected to Amiga and your CONSTANT cheering for Windows, Linux or MorphOS in every comparison is getting a BIT predictable.
If you wanna look smart, don't blabber.
Typical thread:
Someone compares something in Morphos with something in AOS4. Then Joanna will enter with guns blazing and write a LONG comment on how inferior and late AOS4 will be, Don will start talking about business applications and xxxithlon, Bill Buck will comment something or other about blue pills (Rohypnol?), cOrpse will talk about how his BlizzardPPC has design flaws, Kronos will preach MOS without even having tried it, 3seas will start on his GPL crusade again (posting from IE, no doubt ;-) ) and then either Samface or Alkis will start throwing shit on the other. Then the whole thread will start to deteriorate.
I would like to know why you guys even bother. WE ALREADY FRIGGING KNOW YOUR GOD DAMN OPINION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT IN EVERY THREAD. ONCE A WEEK IS _PLENTY_.
Oh, and one last question: Is there someone I forgot to insult? ;-)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Sep-2002 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
"So, anyone in the MOS camp feeling bored enough to enlighten us?"
Uh? I'm in camp now? Ah well. Just please don't sue me in mistake, I have done no coding or stolen any old computers. :)
LOL don't worry Joanna ;) i wrote that because i expected actual MOS users/devellopers to respond ;)
Amon_Re
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2002 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
"Oh, and one last question: Is there someone I forgot to insult? ;-)"
Yup. Yourself. ;-)
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Sep-2002 06:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Hagge):
Based on what I know about software/OS porting from 68k/PPC. My job is to design/test embeded hardware (done PPC's lately.. MPC555,MPC850, now working on MPC8240) and in this company I see closely enough those people who work on porting that RTOS of ours to those new systems (+ Qnx and Linux... dependig client).
So I know that having some demoable C-code on 68K platform is a LONG way from getting it all up and running stable on PPC system. And I know how long debugging even simpler system can take. And we don't have to worry about backwards compatibility or emulating old systems... (Ok. we do have TCP/IP and Webserver on OS among couple other things)
If Hyperion is further on development than announced, (well they well be- I have no way checking on their project status) then they may have fair chance on getting it done on couple months. But I have understood that all that Demoable code is on 68k only and there has been no System size integration/testing as a PPC-native-booting system.
On ... And don't listen Ole-egil too much. He's quite bright but IMHO just too young and arrogant cause he's totally green and just got his first real job.
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Posted by Samface on 07-Sep-2002 06:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
It's sad if you find me to be a mudslinger when reality is so far from it. But then, I guess I've got noone but myself to blame for it. I mean, I guess that's what you get when trying to argue with the likes of Alkis.
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 07-Sep-2002 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
Ole-Egil wrote:
> Oh, and one last question: Is there someone I forgot to insult? ;-)
Me. Occasionally wanders by when bored out of her skull, half-reads a thread, insults somebody and runs away.
Actually, that was a valid point about the features list. I keep seeing all these idiots "comparing" these two new OSes, and they haven't seen either of them!
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Posted by Amigacooke on 07-Sep-2002 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (anarchic_teapot):
Forgot to insult me too ;-)
I'm not thinking of buying the Pegasos/Morphos combination, but if consumer systems arrive at least there will be something to evaluate and comment on rather than the pointless offensive bickering that normally goes on in ANN.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 19 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 07-Sep-2002 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
Ah well... Sorry folks, this Ole-Egil just is a boring pain in A**.
Predictability: As long as things (and attitude) don't change they tend to cause this same reaction on me. I can't tell what you know about current situation but based on what I have seen there have been very little Amiga actually released in last 2 years. Ok, there have been rumours and announcements of This and That and Thother but on street level nothing much has showed up. I hope this thing changes sometime reasonably soon, but it needs a lot more than yet another announcement of Mr McEven to get me moving...
Windows and Linux.. How wrong can you be. It just happens to be I using this W2k cause I need to get my work done.. And because there are no X86 alternatives I like even so little (OS/2 and Beos are about dead youknow?). I could have moved to Linux (or some other Unix variant) years ago IF I wanted to.. I just don't want to.
MOS? Well. On paper (= website actually) it looks like most viable alternative while waiting that (sorry this get repeating here) OS4 to arrive. If it works that is.. not seen one, so can't tell myself. Amithlon might be nice too but it's not available due all this legal **** going on.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 20 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 07-Sep-2002 07:32 GMT
Actuall we all have some points right in our opinion , argue is a good thing but anger NOT.
I prefer my OS being from the company that has the amiga rights BUT I' want to try MorphOS in the pegasus (cause in my ppc board is not very stable and not supporting some hardware I have like Power Flyer).
Joanna is right about the time a development need.
As far as all (except hyperion and betatesters) know the developing status of OS4 is only based on 68k machines so the sreenshots.. I don't belive that we can see some screenshot running from the real thing (Aone/Pegasus) before 2003 and after exec and some WB stuff is running on these machines they have a LONG way of betatesting and developing all the things that they have mention to be ppc native... So... don't hold your breath, YET.
But these delays can make OS4 a better product not because its like that as a project but because MorphOS will be on market by then so Hyperion can use Morph to see some good things and try to implement it in OS 4 and also getting more stuff done than MorphOS.
Sure is that it has been a long time for amiga to find a path to upgrade...
For Us the community no matter what (amiga like) OS you preffer having more than one is GOOD, cause if the one fails (lack of maney or low sales) we have the other to support.
ALL that I want is BETTER hardware.. for the beggining Aone is good enough Pegasus is a little beter BUT none of the two can get old amigans back and bring new ones.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 21 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-Sep-2002 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
>"Oh, and one last question: Is there someone I forgot to insult? ;-)"
>Yup. Yourself. ;-)
Hehe. Dang ;-)
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-Sep-2002 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Samface):
I don't see you as a mudslinger. I just say sooner or later you or Alkis is gonna comment something that the other will take as an insult or a reason to start a 500 post thread with NO new comments ;-)
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 07-Sep-2002 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (JoannaK):
So me being part of the AmigaOne beta program makes me know LESS about the status of AOS4 than you, because I haven't had as much practical experience with RTOS' and PPC processors as you, and I'm fresh out of cybernetics studies at university, eh? Sure. Like that has ANYTHING to do with it. I'm NOT saying you're not better at what you do than I am, but then you WOULD be, wouldn't you? It's like _what you're doing for a living_. Have you got _any idea_ what I actually DO here? No? Doesn't keep you from slinging mud, does it?
I'm just saying most people have GOT the message by now, why do you HAVE to repeat it every day? I ALSO said you aren't giving people ANY credit, which I believe your reply proves more than anything I could have said. "He doesn't have a clue about the this, because he hasn't been fired at least 4 times and he's still under 30" ;-)
Good to know we have you to tell us we're no good.
And here's one for Don:
Ole-Egil is so trigger happy it's a wonder he's ever allowed out in the forest with a loaded 30-06. How come that asshole hasn't shot his own foot yet?
Was that ok? ;-)
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 24 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by johnny_boy on 07-Sep-2002 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (StormLord):
> As far as all (except hyperion and betatesters) know the developing status of
> OS4 is only based on 68k machines so the sreenshots.. I don't belive that we
> can see some screenshot running from the real thing (Aone/Pegasus) before
> 2003 and after exec and some WB stuff is running on these machines they have
> a LONG way of betatesting and developing all the things that they have
> mention to be ppc native... So... don't hold your breath, YET.
If we are to believe comments made by Hyperion staff on various messageboards and mailing lists, and there's little reason not to, then OS4 development has progressed a lot further than you seem to think. It's not possible for anybody outside of the OS4 development team to say for sure how much of the OS is running on the PPC of the CyberstormPPC hardware, but the elements that will give the biggest performance increase are being done first. The most important things are Exec, (ExecSG is reportedly nearly complete), Intuition, the RTG/RTA API's, disk filesystem, TCP/IP, and the removal of the chip set dependancies (which is the main cause of the delay). That's the minimum they could release to meet the expectations of a PPC AmigaOS, but they want to do a lot more and are doing a lot more.
At some point Amiga Inc, are going to have to yell "Stop! It works, let's release it." before OS4 turns in to the software version of the Boxer. I fully expect we will be able to see some screenshots running on the real thing (AmigaOne) with our own eyes, cash permitting, before 2003. I sincerely hope so, or a lot of people are going to lose interest and spend their money on something else.
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Posted by The_Editor on 07-Sep-2002 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ole-Egil):
BANG .. Ouch (Ole-Egil hops off into the sunset)
He He :)
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Sep-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Samface):
Once again you pretend to be the innocent sheep... Anything I did not predict?
Yes what he said about BOTH you and me was right:)
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 27 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 07-Sep-2002 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (johnny_boy):
before 2003. I sincerely hope so, or a lot of people are going to lose interest and spend their money on something else.
Yeah .... A Holiday Back in Australia is looking decidedly tempting as of late, Which would cost me in the region of £6K min.
That doesn't leave a lot for A1 !!
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Sep-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (The_Editor):
"before 2003. I sincerely hope so, or a lot of people are going to lose interest and spend their money on
something else. "
I'm betting that there will be a demo of OS4 running on an AmigaOne
before Christmas, maybe even as soon as WoASE. Then after more testing
and bug fixing, it will be on sale early next year.
That's my guess.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 29 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Mr P. on 07-Sep-2002 11:32 GMT
I think it's pretty reasonable to develop OS4 on slow machines and then gain lot of effiency by porting it to faster machines! I really do hope that they will squeeze all the speed from lowend PPC's.
I wonder how is the MOS being developed...on BlizzPPC / CSPPC too?
What comes in Joanna's bitching - I think she should put some 'Jesus tape' around her head and hope that all that dust will settle! ;)
It's bit boring to read those whining post...Damn I wish there would be some kind of rating system! :(
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 30 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Doodeee on 07-Sep-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Mr P.):
"I wonder how is the MOS being developed...on BlizzPPC / CSPPC too?"
On BlizzPPC, CSPPC *and* ... on PEGASOS boards, of course.
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 31 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Bruun on 07-Sep-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
As always - you all amaze me.
Is it really that hard just to discuss the topic in here? =)
You make me laugh my ass off.... =D
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 32 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Sep-2002 13:07 GMT
I think there is no problem to argue about something.
Just don't do it in an infinite loop !
And also try to know who you argue with.
For example some people here never tried MorphOS (even the 2 years old beta)and argue with some MorphOS developer.
It would be the same thing as having Joe user telling to one of the Frieden brothers that he is wrong speaking about some AOS4 features.
Threads can be constructive instead of being destructive.
I'am also sick of the people continuously insulting our best developers by saying that teir product are a piece of crap.
For me anone saying someone else product is b
ad HAS to prove at least that he did better.
And even if it is the case it has not to be reported: The users will notice by themselve.
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Posted by Elektro on 07-Sep-2002 15:50 GMT
What a calm thread...
I see they're charging €10 for admitance. They must really be out of money those mos folks...
/me runs like hell
:D :D :D
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 34 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 07-Sep-2002 21:12 GMT
Are you guys and gals still wasting your time here? :-)
@ 12: LOL! Nice summary...;-)
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Posted by Timothy De Groote on 08-Sep-2002 03:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Lennart Fridén):
I was working at the Frankfurt messe once and i would advice you to visit this
restaurant if you ever go to Frankfurt
www.la-finca.com
There is VERY PRETTY girl there !
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 36 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 08-Sep-2002 05:21 GMT
First of all, I would like to publically renounce MorphOS 1.0
There will be no MorphOS 1.0 or anything of the sort.
Why not?
Of course it's because version numbers mean absolutely NOTHING. I'm
not entirely happy about Thendic's labelling of the current versions
of MorphOS as "MorphOS 0.8" or whatever - who cares what the number
is? It doesn't give any indication of the qualities of the product,
it's just a marketing trick so they can give you the impression that
things are moving along structured by release numbers: they can give
you a 3-character string and you will think a lot of work has been
done.
A lot of work HAS been done. I think it's insulting that the MOS team
is being subjected to using decimal markers to rate their progress.
MorphOS as it is now is MorphOS before-release. When you get copies
on your Pegasos, and they are release versions, it will be called
MorphOS, and that alone. A second release might be called MorphOS
Second Edition, NOT MorphOS 1.5. If it had a real number, it'd be 1.1
and no stupid 4-point version bump..
When you describe the OS on your PC, do you do it via version number?
No. You say "it has Windows". "it has Linux". Why do people need to
know that "it has a custom-compiled Linux 2.4.18 kernel" or "I use
Windows 2000 build 2183 service pack 3 + hotfix Q338320".
I certainly will be poking Laire a lot to make sure he doesn't bow
to this stupid "we must have a major and a minor seperated by a dot"
ethic. Next we'll have people running around saying the next version
of MOS will be bumped to 5.0 just to beat Amiga.
As for the presentation, even though I could get in free, not even
a free t-shirt would tempt me there. There's no booze :P
*glug glug*
= Neko
- not necessarily the views of any of the MorphOS team but myself. If
- you don't like my opinions, feel free to bite me.
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Posted by alan buxey on 08-Sep-2002 08:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Neko):
you HAVE to have version numbers - that way you can file bug reports
v's the version.
i'm not sure if its only you and your friends who only say 'windows'
or 'linux ' - but all the guys and girls i know can almost always
say what kernel version, kde version, windows 2000 service pack etc
they are running. its very important.
0.x means its beta and hasnt reached first version.
1.x means its past the first version...and its fixes for 1.0 - maybe
enroute to 2nd release - which is v 2.0
STUPID numbering schemes I do not like - like netscape jumping to silly
high numbers....expecially when the program is getting worse by each month!
silly name and codenames i also do not like. Windows 98? windows millenium?
call Windows what it really is please....then we know what we are dealing with
Windows 2000Windows NT 5.0
Windows XPWindows NT 5.1
THEN you know how things sit with respect to each other.
as for all this bitching that is continously going on......sheeesh!
can we start acting like a community or a family please??? AmigaOS, MorphOS
are 'cousins' enabling the same old code to be run....same for amithlon
and UAE. can we respect the fact that we all like the same programs
and efficiences thereof.....and stop this pseudo-snobbery ' oh, but
i'm in the pegasos bed' -'oh, i'm 100% AmigaInc' etc. its LAME and BORING.
we are all brothers/sisters in the same race to keep our current methodologies
- lets unite properly in order to succeed. there is room in the market
for all of us....so LONG as our basic codebase stays compatible....whats
a quick recompile amongst friends eh? :-)
otherwise, we fragment and thigns dont work out - just look at other
markets to see the effect this has - fragmented BSDs, fragmented GNU/Linux
distros, failure of UNIX etc
alan
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Sep-2002 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Timothy De Groote):
Hey, go play with Sabs instead of looking at other gals ;)
PS: Drop me a mail someday about coming expo's k?
Amon_Re
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Sep-2002 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (alan buxey):
There are version numbers, but not decimals. Like the flashes and PowerUP
version, they are build data numbers.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Sep-2002 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Mistype circus... versionversions, data = date...
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Posted by Timothy De Groote on 08-Sep-2002 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Amon_Re):
Hi,
atleast I have a girlfriend ! And i can always play with Ben ofcourse as Neko
suggested this morning. Altough he did word it a bit harsher :)
Amiga Shows ? Pretty soon ! :) Shall i bring my 'Sabs' ?
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 42 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Neko):
To say: "I'm chucking a tantrum because I don't like version numbers."
Ok, but everyone uses them. They do mean something (it's generally accepted that a 1.0 release is a finished product and anything before isn't).
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 08-Sep-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
Well, yes, but version numbers are often arbitrary. Sometimes a v0.8 of one product will be more advanced and complete than v2.6 or another. Version numbers are also often used as marketing ploys.
OTOH, build date numbers are unweildy. They're OK when you've only got a handful of beta testers and developers, but become a real pain when the oridinary users get to deal with them. Users won't bother remembering numbers like 10-08-2002 (or 10082002) etc., and will simply say the product name, leaving anyone wanting to provide support - often a fellow user - to guess the actual build the first user is referring to. Traditional version numbering is actually the most convenient way to identify software. Alternatives like build dates and version names ("Woody", "Manhattan" etc.) have been used occasionally, but don't work as well.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 08-Sep-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bill Hoggett):
I wrote:
"Sometimes a v0.8 of one product will be more advanced and complete than v2.6 or another."
I meant:
"Sometimes a v0.8 of one product will be more advanced and complete than v2.6 OF another."
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 45 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 08-Sep-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil):
"cOrpse will talk about how his BlizzardPPC has design flaws"
Didn't you hear ? I sorted that. Now thats gone I rant about other MorphOS related hardware,software and companies ... Its the only thing to do ;)
Note to MorphOS Supportes : Your so easy to wind up its criminal not to do it ;)
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 46 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 08-Sep-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (alan buxey):
"Windows 2000Windows NT 5.0
Windows XPWindows NT 5.1"
These are also broken up into build numbers ...
e.g.
Windows XP Retail / Corp editionWindows NT5.1 Build 2600
Windows service packs are also broken up into build numbers
e.g.
The maybe Final windows XP service pack 1 betabuild 1006 , Build 1005 is reported to be a different language version sent to some OEM's already
Also early .NET Server beta's were marked NT5.1 ( RC1 is marked 5.2 ) leading me to think that the NT version number is the kernel version and the build number filters it down to the OS NT is being used in and the exact version of the OS and maybe even the language.
Nice load of usless info there :)
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 47 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (corpse):
>Didn't you hear ? I sorted that.
Your Phase5/DCE POS works now?!?
w00t!
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 48 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Sep-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
If you mean piece of shit by POS ... I agree
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 49 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (cOrpse):
Obviously not that shitty after all...
Presentation of commercial release of Morphos 12th of october : Comment 50 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 09-Sep-2002 00:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
I have to say that over the recent months I've come to assume that MorphOS will be available first and will initially seem more appealing. I don't know any particulars, but I just think they've been running the same play longer and are therefore more likely to deliver on their plans and promises. I can't remember any big MorphOS letdown/shakeup/delay. I'd also like to think Amiga will eventually deliver on their promises as well, as until recently I felt Amiga had a superior solution and a legitimate claim to the legacy. I haven't been quite as certain as of late because their agenda seems somewhat muddled.
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