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[News] First photo report from Alchimie II (France)ANN.lu
Posted on 08-Sep-2002 19:25 GMT by Ben Yoris36 comments
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You may find on this site the first photos from the Alchimie II held this week end (7&8 Sept) in Tain l'Hermitage, France. Sorry, no thumbnails, too lazy for that.

Brief show report :

Lots of Pegasos to play with, Thendic France and bPlan staff present.

Alan Redhouse with two AOne (one SE running LinuxPPC, one XE bare board). AmigaOS 4 elements showed by Mr. Ferruci.

Lots of fun, laughs, joy and hope for the future !

See ya,

Ben Yoris
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 08-Sep-2002 18:10 GMT
I forgot something : I demoed Hyperion Quake II on the big screen (sorry no photo as I was busy with the mic !).
The game is expected for the end of the month : bundle of the PC game with an Amiga CD (exe + lots of mods tested and working).
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Posted by David Scheibler on 08-Sep-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Ben Yoris):
And it seems you mixed up mosscreen1.jpg and LinuxPPC ;)
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Posted by reflect on 08-Sep-2002 18:27 GMT
added a mirror in sweden, http://amiga.merseine.nu/alchimie/
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 20:22 GMT
I'm sure it was a nice show. Thank you for the report.
I wish Hyperion will update the Intuition look prior to releasing the OS. Perhaps those 5% are for that. Comparing
http://onevision.free.fr/MosScreen2.jpg
and
http://onevision.free.fr/OS4Intuition.jpg
kind of underlines the problem. The former looks nice, the latter, well. Does not.
Anyway, good to see progress on all fronts and this kind of support for the event. That is good. I wish we could have seen Amiga Inc. there as well, not much from them in ages.
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Posted by Chris Y on 08-Sep-2002 20:43 GMT
Well, that just looks like a 2.0 style configuration (and in hi-res as well?). As we have seen from previous screenshots, you can make it look a fair bit different.
What's with the "All", "Name", "U" gadgets on the drawer window? That's the first time I've seen those on the OS4 screenshots. It would be nice to have a copy of the OS4Status text file put on the web somewhere as well, you can't see all of it in the picture - and have the ones which don't say "done" next to them even been started?
Still, nice to see some new screenshots as usual, although I'd rather I had it in my hands.
Chris
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Chris Y):
Man so called a1 and 0s 4.0 was laughed at. Go over to morphos news and you wil find out why.
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Posted by Rob on 09-Sep-2002 00:13 GMT
You have to remember that the demoing these components is about
showing some funtionality being built into OS4 and the progress being
made.
It is not simply about the latest icon set. Anyone can get a set of
icons that are better than the ones they used. Its just not that
important at this stage.
MorphOS does look quite nice though and it is at a more mature stage
right now.
I think people should still reserve judgement until they've so both
sytems as final products.
Good news alround though.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Sep-2002 04:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Rob):
Say, Do Thendic/bplan own a valid licence of that NeoGeo game they were showing off? Or was that "no piracy" just a lie?
Hehe j/k ;)
Amon_Re
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 04:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
> Go over to morphos news and you wil find out why.
"This site is currently under construction and will be fully done by end june 2002 webmaster@morphos-news.com"
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Posted by Timothy De Groote on 09-Sep-2002 04:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amon_Re):
ALL people who play NeoGeo games on MAME have a license, you know that don't you ? :)
ANyways, weren't you a big NEO GEO fan ? Let's hope that doesn't lure you to the MOS fraction my friend, or i will come to GeraardsBergen (btw most alcoholic city in Belgium i heard!) and kick your ass :)
WIth SNK gone i doubt anyone will sue for anything though :)
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Posted by CD32freak on 09-Sep-2002 04:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amon_Re):
Hehehe..that's a good one! :D
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Posted by Elwood on 09-Sep-2002 05:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
>The former looks nice, the latter, well. Does not.
It was my Amiga. I use it to beta-test OS4. I have no backdrops, no pictures in windows, menus. Sorry if it looks ugly :-)
But with OS4 you'll be able to skin it the way you like. You'll be able to change your AmigaOS in everything you want !
BTW, it was displayed on a Hires screen (640x256x8). Sorry I don't have a GFX board :-(
bye
Elwood
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Posted by gz on 09-Sep-2002 05:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
I went to mos news and the only thing I found was a little comment stating that aos was clearly behind mos in development which isn't exactly surprising considering mos has been on the way since before year 2000.
So do ya self a favour and cut down a bit with that hyping factor of yours.
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 09-Sep-2002 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (David Scheibler):
Yep sorry.
This is of course LinuxPPC running on a Pegasos. I'll have to rename that.
Thx !
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Posted by Elwood on 09-Sep-2002 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Chris Y):
Oops, sorry for the "All", "Name" gadgets. This is PowerWb. I forgot to remove this one before doing the demo...
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Posted by Roy on 09-Sep-2002 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Well take a look at this.....
http://members.lycos.co.uk/new_amiga/amigaos4x3.jpg
Certainly looks better than the screenshots van Alichimie II in France IMO
Regards,
Roy
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Posted by André Siegel on 09-Sep-2002 06:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Elwood):
> But with OS4 you'll be able to skin it the way you like.
What you're talking about is a so-called "colour theme", NOT a "skin"!
> You'll be able to change your AmigaOS in everything you want !
As far as I know, AmigaOS4.0 won't have window skins or anything of that sort. This is planned for later releases of AOS, i.e. still a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way off...
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Posted by André Siegel on 09-Sep-2002 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Roy):
This is a (well done) mock-up created by "simoami" (www.simoami.com). It is NO real screenshot!
What was your point again?
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Sep-2002 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Elwood):
"But with OS4 you'll be able to skin it the way you like. You'll be able to change your AmigaOS in everything you want !"
Not that I don't believe you. And the screenshots at Amiga.com seems to support it. But are you saying this as a betatester of these features or is this something you have heard from someone else?
And can you roughly list the skinnable features? (like changing window border textures, changing window gadgets and such)
Just trying to clear this issue up before the rumour mill grinds it too far.
/Björn
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Posted by W on 09-Sep-2002 07:03 GMT
One thing that I don't understand is all the eyecandy. Why all this huge icons that only waste space? When I first heard of MOS I was very excited about its list of features and its Amiga compatibility. I thought that I finally could replace my old A1200 with a Pegasos and still runt my old 68k apps. This was a year ago, and for every screenshot I seen I really wonder where the MOS guys spend their time. For every screenshot there is only more eyecandy and less 'amiga look'. This last screenshots really looks like Windows using Litestep and some kind of theme.
Now to the point. What happened to all the fancy features announced? Why isn't there a updated feature list? If I understand Thendic correctly, we are less than a month from the release of MOS, so why isnt there any information about it? I need some month to compare features and benchmarks before I buy one and the lack of informations is really annoying. Some guys said in one thread that the 68k JIT isnt integrated yet. If this is really true, who can we be less than a month to release?
Here is a list of thing that I want to know before I even considering buying MOS:
* Complete list of features
* Complete list of supported hardware
* Benchmarks of old 68k apps.
* List of supported applications (as complete as possible)
* Future plans. What is the next step after release?
* Support. Why kind of support do I get?
Dont tell be this will come 'when it is ready' since I need is a couple of month before I make the decision. And I will _NOT_ buy OS that only gives you eyecandy and this is the only thing that I have seen recently from the Thendic/MOS-team.
Disclamer: I am not trying to flame Thendic/MOS, I only state the reasons why I have become more sceptical about MOS the last year.
/W
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Posted by LorD on 09-Sep-2002 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (W):
????
I don't understand what you mean but "PC look"...
It really looks like an Amiga !
And don't worry, they are not loosing there time picturing icons or skins since men behind it are not Programmers but graphician, so there is no waste of time.
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Posted by Kronos on 09-Sep-2002 07:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (W):
>List of supported applications (as complete as possible)
Atleast that can be helped:
from:
http://www.thendic-france.com/Tech/US/Products/Pegasos/pegasos.htm
Software that have been successfuly tested on the Pegasos
Graphics :
ArtEffect (Paint Package)*
Photogenics (Paint Package)*
Motionstudio (Firewire Video Editing)*
PersonalPaint (Paint Package)
Mysticview (Pictures viewer)
FXPaint (Paint Package) o
ImageFX (Paint Package)*
FroggerNG (Video Player) o
SoftCinema (Video Player) o
DTP/Word Processing:
Pagestream (Professional DTP package)*
AmigaWriter (Wordprocessing)*
WordWorth (Wordprocessing)*
TurboCalc (Spreadsheet)
Games:
Mame (Arcade games emulator)
Audio:
SFX 4.1 (Audio edition software) o
Samplitude Opus (Audio edition software and HD recording)
AmigaAmp (MP3 Player)
Amplifier (MP3 Player)
Internet:
Voyager (Web Browser) o
AWeb (Web Browser)
IBrowse (Web Browser)*
YAM (E-mail Client)
AmiTradeCenter (FTP Client)
AmIRC (IRC Client) o
NewsRog (Newsgroups reader) o
StrICQ (ICQ Client)
Files management:
DirectoryOpus 4.x (Files manager)
Directory Opus 5.x Magellan (Files manager)
Drivers/Hardware compatibility
Turboprint (Printer manager with USB support)*
FXScan (Scanner Manager with USB support)*
Poseidon (USB Stack)
CyberGraphX 5 (GFX cards manager)
AHI (Audio cards manager)
* logiciels commerciaux
o logiciels shareware
logiciels freeware
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Posted by Kjetil on 09-Sep-2002 08:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Roy):
One of this fake AmigaOS themes used under Linux, running mozila, and enlightmeant window manager, sorry you can’t make me believe that screenshot, bay the way nice fake.
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Posted by z5 on 09-Sep-2002 08:35 GMT
At the guy who has demoed OS4 intuiton: i think you did more harm than good. I mean, how on earth can you demo intuiton without any nice backdrop, gfx card,... Isn't that what intuiton is about?
Nice to see people getting excited again though! I hope the coming months will be good both for MorphOs fans and OS4 fans.
Keep up the good work!
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Posted by Graham on 09-Sep-2002 09:30 GMT
Hmmm, it really does appear that the MorphOS people are way better at presenting what they have than the ad-hoc (apparently) demos of OS4 stuff. Of course the MorphOS screenshots were on a monitor, and the OS4 screenshots on a projection screen that was probably a standard video projector, hence the low-res aspect.
Were the window borders plain old WB3.x window borders? Or were they a "simple" version of the OS4 window borders, i.e., a "classic look"? We know that the OS4 window borders are more fancy from previously released screeenshots, so I would tend to go for the former here (not that I care, I think that the OS3.x window style looks perfectly fine, clean and fast).
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Graham):
Nothing looks good at 640 by 256
And the window borders were not 3.x
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Posted by Roy on 09-Sep-2002 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Kjetil):
Well ok, I also think it's a fony screenshot.
Ah well...... I just wait till OS4 is finished. Maybe everybody who is whining and bitchin' at AOS4 should wait too. And so are the people who are bitchin' at MOS.
BTW; I like the official AOS4 screenshot at amiga.com though.
Regards,
Roy
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Sep-2002 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Roy):
Those snapshots (http://members.lycos.co.uk/new_amiga/amigaos4x3.jpg) were made in the context of "This is what I would like Amiga OS 4 too look like" some years ago IIRC. A few years before the real OS4 was started. Ie made in a gfx program and not in any linux gui or whatever.
IIRC that is.
/Björn
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Sep-2002 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Björn Hagström):
Or atleast in the beginning of the mozilla project ;) Whenever that was.
/Björn
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Posted by Bill "tekmage" Borsari on 09-Sep-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
I love it when people make comments about things like the windows or
the colors look. It's funny because it can be changed! Come on guys,
if you don't like green you don't need to have any green on your
screen! If your don't like square gadgets change them! That MOS
screen shot looked like any other VI/Birdie workbench I've seen.
Don't worry how it looks today, worry about how it looks few days
after you got your hands on it :)
PS hey Hyperion, how about some gif or png anims of that boing docky
and the lens docky? :)
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Posted by José on 09-Sep-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
That's just bullshit, everyone knows OS4 will be fully customised. I think they'll keep the option to keep the old "non heavy)GUI, wich is very nice.
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Posted by José on 09-Sep-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Kronos):
That's just 68k software kronos:)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (W):
>Some guys said in one thread that the 68k JIT isnt integrated yet.
True, the 68k JIT isn't integrated into OS4 (!) yet.
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Posted by Kronos on 09-Sep-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (José):
Huh ?
Voyager only 68k ? Thought there was also a MOS-version.
CGX_5 and MotionStudio ? Don't think you will ever see a 68k of these.
Some others exist as WOS or PuP, are open-source (= native) or have a
special MorphOS-version (like FXScan).
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Posted by corpse on 09-Sep-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amon_Re):
"Say, Do Thendic/bplan own a valid licence of that NeoGeo game they were showing off? Or was that "no piracy" just a lie?"
Depending on the version of metal slug ( 3 and onwards ) it'd be illegal even if they did own a legal copy ... Why you ask ? because the rom has been modified to run on MAME as the original carts contain some heavey copy protection.
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Posted by W on 09-Sep-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
> > Some guys said in one thread that the 68k JIT isnt integrated yet.
> True, the 68k JIT isn't integrated into OS4 (!) yet.
Uh? I havn't said a word about OS4. I havn't even considered it yet since I don't think it will be ready until the time I want to buy my computer. I was refering to the information from Alchimie II.
/W
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