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[News] Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc.ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Sep-2002 15:31 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä43 comments
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As reported by amiga.org, Team AMIGA have voted against the transfer of the name "Team Amiga" to Amiga, Inc in a vote held on their mailing list. Read the announcement by Skal Loret below.

--begin vote results announcement--

In a surprising show of common accuracy between the three vote keepers, I can now announce that the vote regarding the transfer of the name "Team AMIGA" DID NOT pass. In fact, it did not even come close to the supermajority necessary for passage.

The vote was 28-18 against.

Thanks to all that participated, and thanks for voting your conscience.

--end of vote results--

Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 1 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Sep-2002 14:45 GMT
What did the club logo that came second place look like then?
/Björn
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 2 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 15:00 GMT
Long Live Harbor Lights!!!!
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 3 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 09-Sep-2002 15:47 GMT
That's just great. Now we have to go with second best...
Why can't you Team Amiga guys work out a deal to license the name to Amiga Inc.?
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 4 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Sep-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Frans):
Because it had nothing to do with terms etc.
A vote was taken, and the active Team AMIGA members voted against. That's all there is to it.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 5 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Ken Wilde on 09-Sep-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Frans):
First of all, the people that offered the name are not on
the Team Amiga mailing list. Second Amiga Inc. ownes the
rights to the name, they just don't want to take it from
the Team Amiga mailing list without their permission.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 6 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 16:22 GMT
Does Team Amiga have a licence to use the Amiga name?
heh
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 7 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Ken Wilde on 09-Sep-2002 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Gary Peake of Amiga Inc. is the list owner.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 8 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ken Wilde):
So
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 9 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Sep-2002 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Yes, they do, and it was re-confirmed after Amino bought out the Amiga trademarks etc.
They're fully legit.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 10 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
No-one needs a license to create "Team Amiga" or "Microsoft Fan Club" or "Coke and Pepsi Association". You only need a license if you want to use someone's active trademark to sell products or services, or if you are engaged in an activity which would confuse a reasonable person into thinking that you were the legitimate owner of the mark. Even then you may be safe under numerous exceptions and higher legal principles (e.g. right of identification, first sale doctrine, parody exception)
Since Team Amiga famously charges no dues, and has no official merchandise or for-pay member services they are 100% legal, no matter what their relationship is with AInc or Bill McEwen.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 11 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
"Team OS/2" didn't need a license from IBM.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 12 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 17:34 GMT
I once belonged to this mailing list, but they hardly ever talked about anything to do with the Amiga, so I removed myself.
Has it changed?
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 13 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Sep-2002 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Not really. :)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 14 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 09-Sep-2002 18:29 GMT
Presumably the top-voted artwork stays, but with a different name (as was demonstrated in the sample itself)...
'Club Amiga,' with its somewhat unfortunate verb construct, is #2 on the name vote.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 15 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaTeam on 09-Sep-2002 19:22 GMT
AmigaTeam
Problem solved :)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 16 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Sep-2002 19:55 GMT
How about CultAmiga! ;)
- Mike
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 17 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by blartyfardtarst on 09-Sep-2002 20:18 GMT
Amigateam....erm doesn`t have the same ring to it....unfortunately....time for a new round of ideas and votes methinks. :-(
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 18 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 09-Sep-2002 20:52 GMT
How about "Amiga, What Else?"..
or just plain "Amiga".
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 19 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (James Carroll):
Team AmigaOne
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 20 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 21:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
An email list and supposed "Amiga" group called Team Amiga that doesn't discuss anything about Amiga. What amazing logic...
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 21 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 09-Sep-2002 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
What about "Positively Amiga"...A statement and a philosophy.
I think the English language has enough words to keep away from the term "Team". I though Amigans were supposed to be creative???
Fleecy: "Can you think of a different name to Team Amiga?"
Bill: *scrunches up face* That's a toughie...hmm...how about Amiga Team? Hey! That's kinda similar to my Exec Updates! I find if I mix the words around in them that I come up with a different strategy. In my next one, all Amigans will become truck drivers and be linked up to a virtual headset to create a virtual world where Amiga is King...KING OF THE WORLD!!! I like it!
Fleecy: Sounds good. But what part do I play in that?
Bill: None! Muhahahahaha.
;)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 22 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 21:51 GMT
The A-Team???? Ok, nevermind, I'll go now
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 23 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 09-Sep-2002 23:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Ahahaha...
What is this Team Amiga anyway?
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 24 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Sep-2002 01:08 GMT
One word.
Pathetic
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 25 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 10-Sep-2002 02:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (redrumloa):
Hey Red! :)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 26 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 10-Sep-2002 05:06 GMT
I don't like sports ! :-) "team" is too oriented....
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 27 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by .jon on 10-Sep-2002 05:10 GMT
Why not name the 'friends of Amiga' simply 'Amigos' ?
Hmmm....why not even name 'AmigaOS' 'AmigOS' ?
.jon
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 28 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Sep-2002 05:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
"An email list and supposed "Amiga" group called Team Amiga that doesn't discuss anything about Amiga.
What amazing logic..."
The list members were Amiga users when the list was formed. Most
are no longer using Amigas, but have stayed on the list. Amiga topics
_are_ discussed, but general interest topics are now more common.
I suspect there are also people here who are no longer Amiga users.
That is certainly the case on the Bunny, which also now has a majority
of non-Amiga topics.
The task now is to bring these ex-users back. That would require
attractive hardware as well as software.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 29 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 10-Sep-2002 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (.jon):
AmigOS
is quite excellent! Nice one...
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 30 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Desmon on 10-Sep-2002 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
It's not too many people who even know what Harbor Lights was, letalone that Rick Lembree was the sysop.
I rather think that Rick would shrug the whole argument off.
Cache Ya,
Craig.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 31 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 10-Sep-2002 07:48 GMT
Eeeeh... Ok, I understand that it's not illegal to use the name Team AMIGA but, if the owner of that trademark decides to use it, how could they possibly stop them or even suggest something along the lines that they would be the real owners of the name? I mean, perhaps Amiga Inc. can't stop them from using the name "Team AMIGA" but, I simply don't see how Team AMIGA could possibly claim that the name would be theirs.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 32 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 10-Sep-2002 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Samface):
You make me laugh :)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 33 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 10-Sep-2002 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Samface):
Of course, legally speaking, Amiga have every right to use the name as they choose, but there can exist other codes of conduct than just the one based on law. Since (AFAIK) Gary Peake was one of the founding members of Team AMIGA, I expect Amiga to respect their wishes and not use the name.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 34 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 10-Sep-2002 11:36 GMT
Looking at the votes so far, it looks like it's the "Amiga Team" now.
I'm happy with that. It could even be shortened to the "A Team".
All we need is a van.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 35 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 10-Sep-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Lando):
i piti da fool who dont get me OS4 before christmas, sucker
(sorry couldnt resist ;-))
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 36 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 10-Sep-2002 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (derf):
What about ...
"Digital Nemesis" ??
Sounds Kewl .. Means Kewl
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 37 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Sep-2002 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (derf):
"I love it when a plan comes together..."
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 38 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 10-Sep-2002 22:08 GMT
I personally like the AmigOS choice mentioned earlier.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 39 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 10-Sep-2002 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Donovan Reeve):
> I personally like the AmigOS choice mentioned earlier.
Yes, this is great, but it's an operating system name, not a team name. It'd be a neat piece of PR and kind of quantum-leap/transformation indicator if, maybe, AmigaOS 5 were renamed AmigOS, but I really doubt if anyone involved has the imagination and the balls to do it. The guys in charge at Amiga, Inc. for the most part aren't actually computer geeks, remember. Fleecy would come closest, but he's outnumbered by "managers," etc. Anyway, looking at the technology and business choices made so far, it's pretty clear that people are sort of driving while focused on the rearview mirror.
-- gary_c
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 40 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Sep-2002 04:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (gary_c):
I would hate it if that happened. It would be "cool" and "refreshing" for about a week. It's not a Mig, it's an Amiga ;-)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 41 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 11-Sep-2002 04:23 GMT
Now that I think of it... Why?
Why have a "club" at all? Clubs are supposed to be run by the community, like user groups. I just can't see a bunch of grown men getting all giddy about joining a "club" sponsored by a company, it just seems so... "backstreet boys" or teenage girlish, I don't know.
I mean, this is all unnecessary, there is so much going on right now in all areas related to Amiga, is this really necessary? I'd rather focus on screenshots, or featurelists, or anything really.
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 42 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 11-Sep-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (TBone):
"it just seems so... "backstreet boys" or teenage girlish, I don't know."
Hey .. When you get to my age ... You wanna relive your youth .. (Wheres da girlies & da beer)
Team AMIGA choose not to give up name to Amiga, Inc. : Comment 43 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Grimmtooth on 12-Sep-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Desmon):
I knew Rick Lembree back in The Day, and I'm pretty sure he'd say YOU CAN HAVE MY TEAM AMIGA WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD HARD DRIVE!!!!! Seeing as that's the case now ... :-)
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