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[News] Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Sep-2002 22:32 GMT by JohanR41 comments
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Sorry if this has been posted before, the news item was dated 020902, but I haven't seen it here atleast.
Pegasos boards will be sold at "Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002" that will be held Sept. 22. The announced cost is 7195 sek (including VAT) for a mobo with CPU card. Read more (in Swedish) at ggs data and (both Swedish and English) Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 1 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 22:55 GMT
And what is this in real money (EUR)? ;-)
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 2 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by JohanR on 10-Sep-2002 03:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Oh, you mean that toy money? ;P According to XE.com (020910), this equals 782.283 EUR. Don't know what it's "supposed" to cost, I only found complete systems on Vesalia, but it's probably a little more expensive in Sweden than in the UK for example.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 3 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 10-Sep-2002 03:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JohanR):
To keep this in prospective, what's the cost of a iLamp, err, iMac2 in Sweden?
Dammy
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 4 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 10-Sep-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
AFAIK, the price of the Pegasos with a G3 cpu (same as on the A1 G3SE) is 650 euros plus VAT.
The price of the A1, currently stated as 600 euros/500 USD ex VAT, is apparently going to change. Downwards. The price will remain $500, are as Eyetech pay for most of the thing in dollars, the euro and sterling prices are to be adjusted to take into account the changes in the exchange rates - in our favour for once, lads.
This was announced at the Alchimie party, but apparently everyone was too blinded by MOS eye-candy to actually listen.
Eyetech are even considering marketing the A1-XE, the one with the removable CPU module, at the same time as the A1G3SE (orders taken from mid-October for delivery mid to end November 2002). No idea what the price will be, and it'll have a single G3 module to start with (G4 chips are too rare and too dear because Apple eats them. That's why the Pegasos doesn't have one either).
Oh, and the Linux-only boards - which don't have the AOS licence and ROM - will be sold at the same price as the A1, as Eyetech is European dealer for both.
The A1 comes with a licence for AOS *and* LinuxPPC, of course.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 5 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 10-Sep-2002 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (anarchic_teapot):
but you don't need a license for linuxppc, or have I radically missed something here? I assume you mean both AOS and Linux works on the A1?
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 6 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Sep-2002 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (anarchic_teapot):
"Oh, and the Linux-only boards - which don't have the AOS licence and ROM - will be sold at the same
price as the A1, as Eyetech is European dealer for both.
The A1 comes with a licence for AOS *and* LinuxPPC, of course. "
If they are the same price, why would anyone want to buy the
Linux-only version? Are there any difficulties in installing Linux on
the Amiga version?
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 7 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Raquel and Bill on 10-Sep-2002 06:03 GMT
Well, Rose (anarchic_teapot) too bad you had to come back to ANN just to post things that are not true and that you do not know anything about.
For all concerned, here is our current position:
The Pegasos mainboard with 600 Mhz G3 (which is upgradable AND scalable) will be sold to end users for 560 Euros from Thendic-France or our Distributors/Resellers. Our prices to Resellers and Distributors are of course better and based on volume. They are in business too. We need to support them and we will.
The G4 upgrade can be purchased for less than 200 Euros and you will be able to do this well before the end of the year -- if you want (see www.morphos-news.de for earlier discussion about this).
You will see basic models of the Pegasos for less than 800 Euros (including tax) as Gunne is offering here and was/is the subject of this thread.
MorphOS gets better daily and we will delivered Betatester machines 127-133 this week. Betatester machines remain 1000 Euros because all the extras come with it - the smart card reader, the wireless camera, the dataplay module - depending on what each individual Betatester is working on. Betatesters also get upgraded to the G4 and have FTP access for the latest ROM.
Further, every version of Linux for the PPC known to has has been installed and works fine. We have been especially amazed by Mac-on-Linux. Sitting next to a G4 iMac you cannot tell the difference between which machine is running the same applications (please spare us the EULA discussions).
Raquel and I had a brief and friendly conversation with Allan Redhouse Saturday at Tain l'Hermitage. If we can do that with Allan, everyone else can too. No more FUD Rose. You worry about your interests; we will worry about ours. The Pegasos and MorphOS speaks for itself now.
If you want to hold a Pegasos show please send us an email. We will figure out a way to support you. There are Pegasos demos being planned/scheduled in nearly every weekend until the big show in Aachen in December.
Last note: The A-Expo was *extremely* well organized. We were very pleased to be involved. Congratulations to the A-Expo Team!
Thanks,
Raquel and Bill
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 8 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 10-Sep-2002 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raquel and Bill):
Too big a chin to miss :-)
"Well, Rose (anarchic_teapot) too bad you had to come back to ANN just to post things that are not true and that you do not know anything about. "
Ah, defamation. You know more about the A1 than Eyetech do, of course.
"For all concerned, here is our current position:
The Pegasos mainboard with 600 Mhz G3 (which is upgradable AND scalable) will be sold to end users for 560 Euros from Thendic-France or our Distributors/Resellers. Our prices to Resellers and Distributors are of course better and based on volume. They are in business too. We need to support them and we will.
You will see basic models of the Pegasos for less than 800 Euros (including tax) as Gunne is offering here and was/is the subject of this thread. "
800 euros inc. VAT is slightly more than 650 euros ex VAT at the current French rate of 19.6% (the betatester systems are 1000 euros ex VAT - figure taken from your own website). Can't be much in that basic model. What's the price difference: a cheap tower? The CPU? Funny how you don't make that very clear.
"The G4 upgrade can be purchased for less than 200 Euros and you will be able to do this well before the end of the year "
Comparing prices with the G4 upgrade cards for Macs (<http://www.sonnettech.com/>) leaves me quite frankly speechless with admiration. Less than half the price?
"MorphOS gets better daily "
Still debugging, then.
<snip lots of crap having nothing to do with my post>
"Raquel and I had a brief and friendly conversation with Allan Redhouse Saturday at Tain l'Hermitage. If we can do that with Allan, everyone else can too."
Yes, I heard about that. You asked him if he'd sell the Pegasos, and he said yes of course - if you'd sell the AmigaOne.
"No more FUD Rose. You worry about your interests; we will worry about ours. The Pegasos and MorphOS speaks for itself now."
In what way am I spreading FUD? Where are the inaccuracies? How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you bluster, lie, and dodge?
No apologies for the above language. If I haven't caught him "en flagrant délit" - sorry Billy boy, I forgot that after 8 years in France with a French wife you still can't get along too well in French - then maybe one of us is living on a different planet.
"If you want to hold a Pegasos show please send us an email. We will figure out a way to support you."
I'd be delighted. The support I require is full and legal support for AOS4.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 9 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 10-Sep-2002 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (reflect):
"but you don't need a license for linuxppc, or have I radically missed something here? I assume you mean both AOS and Linux works on the A1?"
Missed a comma. Or maybe I ought to have typed it the other way round.
"LinuxPPC and a licence for AOS4"
Sorry.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 10 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Just Bill on 10-Sep-2002 08:39 GMT
Hi Rose,
Allan Redhose sent out his report on the events at the A-Expo. We have read it too. You are the perfect "marionette."
Your quotes on our pricing were inaccurate.
Sincerely,
Bill
P.S. @Allan -- I have a sense of humor too Allan, which is why we are still laughing at your excuse for not being there Sunday.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 11 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Fred on 10-Sep-2002 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raquel and Bill):
Hi Bill,
"The G4 upgrade can be purchased for less than 200 Euros and you will be able to do this well before the end of the year"
Which speed G4? The 1GHz MPC7455 CPU on it's own was released at US$295 in 10k quantities.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 12 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Sep-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raquel and Bill):
How about CPU cards with multiple CPU's?
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 13 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot@yahoo.fr on 10-Sep-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Just Bill):
some bird brain wrote
"P.S. @Allan -- I have a sense of humor too Allan, which is why we are still laughing at your excuse for not being there Sunday."
I suppose you also laughed at the thousands of people without electricty and flooded out of their homes, not to mention the 16 dead and 18 still missing?
(the extremely dodgy weather conditions and flood warnings for the next 2 days were the reason Eyetech packed up early at the show)
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 14 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by A European Commission's civil servant speaking on on 10-Sep-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (anarchic_teapot):
Hi everyone,
I couldn't let this threat go wild for this (Yes, I'm an Amiga-Fan AND working at the Commission) :
You have to compare products wo-VAT as we are living in a single market for Europe but not a harmonized market (due to Member states specific VAT). For this, only pressure of the market can lead to harmonized prices. Until them, the market rules and you just should buy the product on the cheapest VAT price.
Anyway : glad to see products at last going on the market : hipes and vapourware are killing my beloved machine. If I can, I'll buy both just to support and hope they could agree on getting best of all world instead of break this "already small niche" market.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 15 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 10-Sep-2002 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Just Bill):
Bill,
the more you post the more you look professional. Go ahead, not even when I worked in Hollywood I met comedians as good as yourself. You're really worth the laugh
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 16 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 10-Sep-2002 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (amigammc):
Bill has a long way to go to catch up to those humdingers Exec Updates?
Dammy
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 17 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by ari on 10-Sep-2002 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Raquel and Bill):
"Well, Rose (anarchic_teapot) too bad you had to come back to ANN just to post things that are not true and that you do not know anything about."
Hey Bill , when was the last time you used an amiga , bet its somewhere in the region of never ... You might want to stop pointing the finger, your motives may come into question.
"MorphOS gets better daily"
How do you know , you aren't an amiga user thats for sure.
"and we will delivered Betatester machines 127-133 this week."
Microsoft will be worrying then , pah.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 18 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 10-Sep-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (ari):
You mean the Micro$oft/Amiga alliance will be worried... :P
Dammy
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 19 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by johnny_boy on 10-Sep-2002 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (dammy):
You mean you haven't heard about the new merger and the creation of Morphro$oft?
;)
Ahhhh....all this mud slinging is very amusing, if nothing else.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 20 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Sep-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (anarchic_teapot):
Keep a huge fish in your ass and go to write on another site enstead to continue with stupid attachs on people that work to create something. You and me use the same language so I think that now your little mind will understand the word KEEP THIS IN YOUR ASS_MIND: if for you Morph is debugged ...well AMIGAOS 4 is not debuggable ... because it doesn't run at all (a part a ridicolous "demo" on a CyberstormPPC, really more ridicolous than the first beta of Morphos, released 2 years ago)
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 21 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 10-Sep-2002 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Eva):
"Keep a huge fish in your ass.. "
Now that one was a real collectors item.
havent heard that one before :)
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 22 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 10-Sep-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Eva):
"Keep a huge fish in your ass and go to write on another site enstead to continue with stupid attachs on people that work to create something."
LMFAO
"You and me use the same language so I think that now your little mind will understand the word KEEP THIS IN YOUR ASS_MIND: if for you Morph is debugged ...well AMIGAOS 4 is not debuggable ..."
I think its been through debug , its a major part of software development , something you know nothing about no doubt.
"because it doesn't run at all (a part a ridicolous "demo" on a CyberstormPPC, really more ridicolous than the first beta of Morphos, released 2 years ago)"
That Morhpos beta was a parasite emulator that basically forfilled the 68k's function on the PPC e.g most of the OS you were seeing was Amigas !
As I see it OS4 is being developed in modules, many modules at a time by different people .. while those at hyperion develop the kernel / base OS ... Os4 by the looks of it has been developed to "Drop-in" replacement for the os 3.x platform and the external development done on 68k , os3.x , amithlon and other classic amigaOS solutions in clean C should compile and run not only on the os4.x platform but also the PPC platform ( In simple terms , on the OS platform and CPU platform ). So the demo was demostrating those external *MODULES* and not the overall os4 product, which for the record has had alot less time and questable access to the low level documents needed then morphos.
Blue Pill side effect #46 : *CRAZY* bitch behaviour
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 23 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Sep-2002 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Leif):
Hehe, yes that one was completely new. And it was a good one! I just can't stop laughing!
:-D
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 24 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 10-Sep-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cOrpse):
Anyone want to suggest where Eva keeps her "fish"? I do believe it's a tuna.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 25 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 10-Sep-2002 21:15 GMT
swedish prices for some stuff
Pegasos 7.195:- (moderboard+cpu)
-
Pentium4 1.8GHz northwood 1.140:-
AMD Athlon XP 1900+ 990:-
-
iMac 9.995:-
(600MHz G3, 128MB ram, 40GB hdd, 15" monitor)
iBook 15.995:-
(600MHz G3, 128MB ram, 20GB hdd, 12" screen)
new iMac 16.495:-
(700MHz G4, 128MB ram, 40GB hdd, 15" tft)
Power Mac G4 21.995:-
(dual G4@867MHz, 256MB ram, 60GB hdd)
-
MacOS X probably owns both Morphos and AmigaOS, but I can't tell since I haven't used any of them.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 26 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Sep-2002 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (ari):
Hey Bill , when was the last time you used an amiga , bet its somewhere in the region of never ... You might want to stop pointing the finger, your motives may come into question.
--
Well, he uses Amigas more often than "your" Bill... Take a look at Thendic's
offices...
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 27 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 10-Sep-2002 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Fred):
28/01/2002 (press release)
MPC7445-800 $125
(10,000s)
19/05/2002 (prices on homepage)
MPC7441-600 $106.70
MPC7441-700 $124.40
MPC7455-600 $119.10
MPC7455-733 $141.80
MPC7455-800 $158.80
MPC7455-867 $158.60
MPC7455-933 $203.10
MPC7455-1000 $249.50
Last three CPUs with 1.85V.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 28 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 10-Sep-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (tarbos):
The 7441/7455 prices were for 1,000s.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 29 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Sep-2002 22:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Well, he uses Amigas more often than "your" Bill... Take a look at Thendic's
>offices...
Yeah wonder where they got them
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 30 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 11-Sep-2002 03:29 GMT
> (please spare us the EULA discussions)
There is nothing to discuss, unless the non-english EULA says something else.
Even the MOL FAQ spells it out in black and white.
Of course you could always make Apple an offer, if you like being laughed at.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 31 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Sep-2002 04:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (tarbos):
Ok, so the price dropped from 295 to 250. Still, "The G4 upgrade can be purhased for less than 200 Euros" MOST probably doesn't imply one of the top speed G4's then ;-)
I think the question in comment 11 is valid. What speed G4 will be available for less than 200 Euros? ON A CPU CARD, mind you. IN WORKING CONDITION as well.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 32 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 11-Sep-2002 04:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (anarchic_teapot):
>>Ah, defamation. You know more about the A1 than Eyetech do, of course.
Do you work for Eyetech? Do you work for Thendic or Bplan?
Then why would you know when each particular macine will be delivered.
(Do you know when AOS4 will be finished, if so please share the info.
Cause it's looking decidedly incomplete
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 33 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 11-Sep-2002 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ole-Egil):
on morphos-news it says 800mhz g4..
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 34 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 11-Sep-2002 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (anarchic_teapot):
>>This was announced at the Alchimie party, but apparently everyone was too blinded by MOS eye-candy to actually listen.
Well you would expect people's attention diverted by an os running ppc aos programs as well as a MUI WB.
But i guess you expect them to be as fanatical as you about linux/uae running on a pop motherboard.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 35 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Sep-2002 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (cheesegrate):
PPC AmigaOS applications and MUI WB? That's neither new or revolutionary in any way, I'm afraid. WarpUP/Powerup applications and MUI is rather old software and has been running on AmigaOS for ages now.
:-P
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 36 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Sep-2002 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (cheesegrate):
Well, that's hardly an unbiased estimated price tag. We'll see what it says once it hit the shelves in the stores...
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 37 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Fred on 11-Sep-2002 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (tarbos):
Thanks for those prices. The MPC7455-800 is around US$158.80. Let's assume it costs another US$10 for the cpu daughter card, this doesn't leave much room for profit if sold for 200 Euros.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 38 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 11-Sep-2002 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (tarbos):
Those prices are 4 or 8 months old (atleast thats how I read it) and
as long as noone has current prices, the whole discussion is useless.
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 39 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2002 09:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
Special gift from Petro of course! >:-)
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 40 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2002 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (strobe):
Of course it has been running on a friend of a friend's computer and
Thendic cannot be made responsible for other people's wrong behaviour! ;-)
Pegasos Boards to be sold in Sweden Sept. 22 : Comment 41 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2002 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ole-Egil):
Morphos-news has word it is a 800MHz G4. Fair cost of this carrier I expect to
be ~50 Euro if we look at the comparable Socket370-to-Slot1 PC adapters. Now
the question is if this thing has L3 cache. The advantage of G4 vs. G3 is the
MPX bus (Articia S doesn't support), the Altivec unit, the better SMP abilities
(MESI vs. MEI), 2MB L3 possibility and the better double precision FPU afaik.
The drawbacks are a larger die (more expensive and more heat) and the longer
pipelines.
Without L3 cache and SMP configuration the only relevant advantage would be the
Altivec implementation. So I ask how are MorphOS/Linux/Mac-on-Linux going to
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