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Mediator PCI USB drivers for Poseidon stack [11 September 2002] Elbox Computer is pleased to announce that its drivers to PCI USB cards in the Mediator busboard operate under the Poseidon USB stack. Mediator PCI USB drivers for Poseidon stack [11 September 2002] Elbox Computer is pleased to announce that its drivers to PCI USB cards in the Mediator busboard operate under the Poseidon USB stack. These drivers have been prepared by Elbox programmers as a result of co-operation started a few weeks ago by Chris Hodges, author of the Poseidon stack. As the Poseidon stack is already supported by authors of third-party commercial software, we have decided that releasing another, our own, USB stack for Amiga under such circumstances would mean doubling effort of Amiga programmers. We are sure that high-quality software included in the Poseidon stack package and our hardware-optimised drivers resulting in high performance achieved by PCI USB cards in Mediator will satisfy even the most demanding users. The unregistered, time-limited version of the Poseidon USB stack will be available in the Mediator Multimedia CD. Registration of the Poseidon stack for Mediator users will be provided by Chris Hodges. About Poseidon: The Poseidon USB Stack is a software solution that unleashes the possibilities of the Universal Serial Bus (USB) and the devices with USB interface, ranging from mice, keyboards, tablets, joysticks, printers, scanners, webcams, digicams, flash card readers, zip drives, floppy disk drives, harddisks, memory sticks, ethernet adapters, scanners and audio adapters to less common things like power supplies, GPS location devices or finger print readers. It is intended to be a solution for all systems. For more info about Poseidon stack please visit Chris Hodges' website. About Mediator: The Mediator PCI busboard line is designed so as to enable expanding the Amiga computers with a wide range of standard PCI cards like Graphic cards, Ethernet and Fast Ethernet network cards, Modem cards, ISDN cards, USB and SCSI cards, Sound cards and Multimedia cards: TV tuner and MPEG-2 hardware decoders. Expanding the Amiga with the Mediator PCI busboard opens the way to employing the power of the latest PowerPC G3/G4 processors in Amiga, around which SharkPPC and SharkPPC+ cards are based. For more info about Mediator please visit Elbox website. Mariusz Wloczysiak ELBOX COMPUTER, Press Department contact: press@elbox.com
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 11-Sep-2002 11:25 GMT
Wow! Thats quite a U-Turn from this previous posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/12731
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 11-Sep-2002 12:06 GMT
Modem cards, ISDN cards, SCSI cards, MPEG2 hardware decoders?
Did I miss something? When did those drivers come out? Or is this another case of "Yes, this hardware _could_ be used in a Mediator, if only someone wrote a driver"?
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 12:47 GMT
It's very refreshing to see such co-operation between diffent etities in this small Amiga market. If Elbox are willing to throw away their own work on their own USB stack to benefit the customer/programmer then perhaps Thendic will do the same thing with MorphOS and adopt OS4 too... hmmmmm
(I'm not going to hold my breath on that last remarks)
Well done Elbox - the Mediator looks even more attractive now.
PS. What's happening with the other Amiga PCI solutions? I haven't heard any news about thm for.... ages.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 11-Sep-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
@Darrin
> (I'm not going to hold my breath on that last remarks)
You should have done so before saying it. It's flamebait. :)
Back on-topic, Elbox are not known for being co-operative. It could just be that their own stack didn't work too well and Chris gave them a very good deal. I think a lot of credit for this should go to Chris.
Whatever the reason, it's a good thing.
@Bernie
I think you're right and the access to ISDN, SCSI and MPEG-2 cards is theoretical. I can't see any drivers for any of them mentioned in the Elbox press releases or on their site.
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
>If Elbox are willing to throw away their own work on their own USB stack to
>benefit the customer/programmer then perhaps Thendic will do the same thing
>with MorphOS and adopt OS4 too... hmmmmm
Hey, MorphOS is the OS that works and OS4 isn't (yet?) - so it should be the
other way round. Btw - MorphOS also supports Poseidon USB stack, AmigaOS4 doesn't.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 11-Sep-2002 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
People, please, please stop these arguments now! We've heard it all... lets try and keep this on topic, shall we?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Sep-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
Hi Darrin,
Well the problem is that MorphOS was here in the first place, men/years of development have been spent on it and it is quite finished for a first release.
It is too bad that Amiga <-> Morphos could not come to an agreement 2 years ago to make MorphOS be AmigaOS4. It is too late to have Bplan dropping MorphOS for AmigaOS4 or having Amiga dropping AmigaOS4 for MorphOS.
It would still be a good thing if someone could buy an Aone or a Pegasos and have both OS working on it. It would even be better if new applications would work on both systems.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Sep-2002 13:09 GMT
And BTW we are OT in this thread.
OPENPCI would be great but as Elbox has the most important number of drivers they don't see any interest into it :(
It may even give to their competitors free drivers ...
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Posted by Kronos on 11-Sep-2002 13:46 GMT
I think it's obvious that Elbox's USB-stack was just as ready as their RTG-system back than ...
Good thing that they couldn't do the "P96" on Chris.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Sep-2002 13:52 GMT
My feeble attempt at balancing out some of the negativity:
Thanks for an update, Elbox. May there be more in the future, and may you see sales to justify them.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Sep-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
Elbox had no working product... MorphOS is working and almost SELLABLE.
I don't think I can say the same thing about os4 yet...
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Posted by Jürgen Schober on 11-Sep-2002 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Poseidon runs fine under AmigaOS 4!
(check it out this weekend)
lg
Jürgen
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 14:32 GMT
@Bill - Sorry, I couldn't help myself - lol. And you're right - well done Chris too.
@Christope - Which MOS was first? The old one or new one with all of the illegal souces removed? Doh!!!- only kidding :)
I agree that it would be nice to have the option of both OS solutions working on both boards... LEGALLY. We seem to be in a similar situation to the VHS/Betamax war of a few years ago and I don't want to end up with a "Betamax VCR" :)
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Sep-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Darrin):
Actually, I don't want to end up with the PegaVHS. Go Betamigaos Max :-)
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>Elbox had no working product
??? So my Flyer gold doesn't work? Neither does my tower??? Amazing, they certainly fooled me. What about all thoe happy Mediator owners - their boards don't work either???!!! Wow!!!
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Darrin):
lol - does anyone remember the "other" system called Video2000. I think it was from Phillips and you could turn the tapes upside down like audio cassettes... I guess in this war they would be Atari ;)
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Darrin):
Oh, I guess you mean their USB stack doesn't work. You know this for a fact or is it your usual shovel of FUD?
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Posted by Daniel on 11-Sep-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Darrin):
When I was in Elbox in mid-June I saw USB PCI card in the Mediator in action with a USB ZIP drive and with a USB PC wheel mouse. I'm sure they used a stack other than Poseidon.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 11-Sep-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Darrin):
@Darrin
> Oh, I guess you mean their USB stack doesn't work. You know this for a fact
> or is it your usual shovel of FUD?
Nah, it's a good bet the stack they originally intended using didn't work as expected. Elbox's track record suggests they would always use their own solution if they could.
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
Either way, I'm glad we didn't end up with another solution... one good solution would be perfect ;)
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Posted by john on 11-Sep-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
@Bill
if things appear to be as stated, this is the best solution possible; a single USB stack that works with 68k, AOS4 & MorphOS. It'll make developers' jobs a lot easier getting perepherals working 'across the board', rather than trying to tailor drivers for each and every stack.
Common sense prevails.
-john
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Posted by Lando on 11-Sep-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
>> Oh, I guess you mean their USB stack doesn't work. You know this for a fact
>> or is it your usual shovel of FUD?
>
>Nah, it's a good bet the stack they originally intended using didn't work as expected.
>Elbox's track record suggests they would always use their own solution if they could.
I rather believe Elbox is doing this for the good of their customers - adopting the already proven Posiedon as a standard is better that having multiple incompatible USB stacks.
I'm sure Elbox's own stack would have worked just as well, but Elbox decided it would be better for Mediator owners, and for the classic Amiga in general, to use Posiedon.
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Posted by Rob on 11-Sep-2002 17:03 GMT
ELBOX!
Another keyword for generating flamewars on ANN (should swap names
with AmigaFlame).
It's when most other Amiga companies announce or release new software
no one seems to discuss it unless the post contains one of the other
keywords (Thendic, Bplan, MorphOS, Aone, Amiga Inc etc.).
It's no good having a super duper Pegasos or whatever you prefer if
there's no third party software available for it because the
developers left the scene cos no one took any notice of their
products.
If you like something buy it, if you don't like don't buy it. If it
ain't out yet whining on about stuff isn't going to help you.
P.S. I don't know what I'd be doing with my A1200 now if it wern't for
Elbox and the Mediator.
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Posted by Chris Hodges on 11-Sep-2002 17:32 GMT
I really hoped that this news was going to be welcome by most users. However, there always seem to be the people, who try to spread FUD or otherwise want to use this to start flame wars. This is a bit sad I think.
Elbox have decided to support Poseidon as the official USB stack for their Mediator board, even when they were about to release their own one, on which their developers surely spent a lot of time. There is no need to argue of what quality or features their stack would have been. They've dropped it in favour to have a common and standard USB stack, so that developers do not have to do twice the work and users don't get irritated.
Although I proposed them to do a hardware driver for Poseidon, it was Elbox's decision to opt for it, investing another few weeks of development time for the hardware driver. They've showed their good will. And I think this one of the few moments in the Amiga history when there's the chance to cooperate and not argue. I myself had some doubts and fears, but I decided not to let this opportunity pass for it would never have come back.
This is not about stuff, that is announced and never released. It's about things that are being done. Done for the users.
Best regards
Chris Hodges
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Posted by Lando on 11-Sep-2002 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Rob):
I agree.
Elbox are Gods as far as I'm concerned - they release great products, which work well, and have transformed my Amiga. They actually answer support emails (something of a rarity in the Amiga market these days). Sure, they may take their time releasing drivers (how long ago was it that USB drivers were first announced?) but you can be sure that when the drivers arrive they're going to work, and work well. Plus their drivers are in continuous development, so you get regular updates/improvements (I think we've had 5 already this year, not including the MMCD ones)
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Posted by Bill "tekmage" Borsari on 11-Sep-2002 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Chris Hodges):
Thanks Chris!
I my self have a Highway board running Posidon, no devices yet but what the hell :)
I'm concered that we have parallel developement of USB "stacks" in progress. What we need are classes for devices, not "stacks". I personally would love to see one "stack" be adopted by all and all the other efforts going to device support. I have to applude Elbox for their decision for making life easier on developers by adopting the Posidon stack and not making a new one. This will benifit end users in the long run!
Now if we could only get everyone on to the same processor and OS we would be in good shape!
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Chris Hodges):
Thanks for coming forward and posting the truth behind the story. That should reduce (I'd like to say stop, but I know better) the Anti-Elbox comments. This is excellent news for everyone that still uses the classic Amiga. Can't we all celebrate for once?
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Sep-2002 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Darrin):
Excuse me? I was talking about the usb stack.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Sep-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Darrin):
1) Sorry, didn't read your second comment before replying:)
2) It's a speculation that might be wrong. (actually daniel said that I'm
wrong).
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Posted by Darrin on 11-Sep-2002 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Don't worry mate - I do it myself all the time ;)
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Sep-2002 22:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Chris Hodges):
Thank you Chris for your great work. It is VERY appreciated to have such good software working through different third parties HW & SW products.
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 12-Sep-2002 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Jürgen Schober):
Ah, Poseidon runs on AOS4? Fine, but I don't realy see the reason for having
own USB stack in AOS4. Since even Elbox decided to use a stack that is
a standard already, such AInc/Hyperion politics is rather stupid.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Sep-2002 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Jacek Piszczek):
@Jacek
> Ah, Poseidon runs on AOS4? Fine, but I don't realy see the reason for
> having own USB stack in AOS4. Since even Elbox decided to use a stack
> that is a standard already, such AInc/Hyperion politics is rather stupid.
Not entirely. You can see both sides of the argument really. On the one hand, going with Poseidon on AOS4 would make sense from a standardisation PoV, but an OS is not the same as a hardware support suite (the MMCD), so if Poseidon was included it would have to be a fully enabled version, either pre-registered or with free registration. At worst it would need to be a functional but maybe not fully featured version, a Poseidon Lite perhaps. On the other hard, it's good practice for OS developers to not rely on third party software for vital components of the OS. Then again AOS4 is heavily reliant on third party contributions anyway.
@all
OK, it appears I was wrong about Elbox' motives for adopting Poseidon. I wasn't trying to fuel anti-Elbox FUD, but considering their reluctance to collaborate in the past and their very recent adamant statement that they'd be using their own stack, I think wondering out loud about their motives is not unreasonable. Can this be a sign that Elbox are turning a new leaf in their attitude? We can only hope so.
Disclaimer: I should take this opportunity to acknowledge that Elbox have done a great deal for users in developing their products, and they have obviously outdone their rivals in terms of delivering the goods. OTOH, some of their advertising and their approach to P96 licensing have been highly questionable.
That, at least, is my opinion.
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 12-Sep-2002 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Bill Hoggett):
I'm sure it would be possible to come with some agreement that would allow
a full version of Poseidon to be put on AOS4 distribution. Sure, it would
probably cost AInc/Hyperion some money, but this shouldn't be a big problem ;)
Anyway... introducing a new usb stack in OS4 is a very BAD idea imo.
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Posted by John Q. Public on 12-Sep-2002 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Chris Hodges):
@Chris: Great news they decided to work WITH you instead of reverse engineer your product and hide behind some obscure Euro law to legitimize it (hence the reference Kronos made about the P96 team; the comment Darrin obviously missed with his blathering - I guess sarcasm's missed on the cattle). Personally, I'd love to see your USB become THE standard stack for precisely the reasons you've sited: no need to re-invent the wheel on the part of programmers.
The "FUD" and/or rumors that were being referenced to (and missed completely by the more bovine among us) was Elbox's questionable practice re:P96 team's API. If you'd like a REAL laugh, compare detailed photos of the SharkPPC and Sonnett's G3/G4 accelerator for Mac. With the exception of a few missing capacitors, they're identical. I wonder if Sonnett knows yet...
The comments about AmigaOS/MorphOS came from the Bungled and the Botched out there in left field somewhere, and should safely be disregarded as babble.
Again, Chris, congrats! Mayhap Amiga Inc will find some problems with their USB too and license yours as the official one. :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 12-Sep-2002 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Q. Public):
There ARE no detailed photos of the final production version of the SharkPPC or SharkPPC plus!
Anyway, yes, thanks to Elbox and Chris for this great news!
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Posted by Chris Hodges on 12-Sep-2002 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Q. Public):
The things you mentioned about Elbox and the P96 issue were exactly the fears and doubts I had. That was the reason why I didn't want to make the developer docs available with the API publically right away. That's why I used strong cryptography in the keyfile/licence from the beginning.
 
But then again, people can change and as I told before, this is a one-time chance.
 
With Poseidon being supported by Highway/Subway, Thylacine (Robert Tsien, soon), Mediator PCI (Elbox, available), GRex/Pegasos (VGR, betatesting), OpenPCI (Titan, hopefully in a few weeks for Prometheus, GRex, Berniethlon) this is really a good base to start with. Finally, there's some momentum.
 
However, nobody from Amiga Inc. or Hyperion ever have contacted me. Too bad ;)
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Posted by Darrin on 12-Sep-2002 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Q. Public):
Nice to see you have your head firmly inserted up your bottom. I'll ingnore most of your rabid rantings as it's obvious where you stand and, without trying to start another endless discussion, I still think that the P96 problem was not Elbox's problem. Why should I have to pay a registration fee included in the price of the Mediator if I have no intention of using a graphics card in my Mediator (OK, chances are that I will..but)? What about those that have already registered (A fair point)? P96 was released on the understanding that it's USERS would register the product and pay the fee, so get off Elbox's back and rip into the cheap-assed gits out there that are using a P96/Meditator/Graphics Card WITHOUT paying/registering. They are the criminals.
Chris has the right idea with the keyfile and this (in hindsight) is how P96 should have been distributed, but you can't blame that on Elbox either.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Sep-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Darrin):
Elbox were right in the P96 case?! Excuse me, are you totally ignorant?
The p96 guys spent years to make P96 and elbox clearly EXPLOITED their work
and made a driver. The same happened with CGX, FM was offered money for a driver
for the G-Rex. An exclusive driver. That means that Elbox would have to pay
DCE to get a driver themselves. But it seems that at that time Elbox didn't
want to pay anyone.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Sep-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Add the W3D case to that.
It seems that they broke their customs and licenced Poseidon this time.
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Posted by Chris Hodges on 12-Sep-2002 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You've misunderstood something. Elbox didn't licence Poseidon. The version
they enclosed on their multimedia CD (with permission) is an unregistered,
unlicenced copy, just like the ones you can find on Aminet or my homepage.
Mediator users (just like any other user, except for owners of the great
Highway/Subway boards, as they have a fully licenced copy) have to buy a
single user licence to deactivate the demo restrictions.
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Posted by Darrin on 12-Sep-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Dear Alkis,
I think we've been over this before so this is my last note on the subject:
The P96 team should make their money from people REGISTERING P96. Elbox did them a favour by including P96 and drivers with their product as P96 was dead on it's feet. The problem is the USERS - they need to REGISTER the product and pay the P96 team themselves. Don't blame Elbox, blame the people using unregistered copies of P96.
Where the P96 team shot themselves in the foot was not limiting their software's use without a keyfile. Instead they relied on the USER'S honesty to send them the revenue they deserve... BIG MISTAKE :(
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Posted by Peter on 12-Sep-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>The p96 guys spent years to make P96 and elbox clearly EXPLOITED their work
>and made a driver.
Oh, really? And what if guys from Elbox spent years to make Mediator? And all these programs which run on it clearly EXPLOIT their work.
Should Elbox request money from all programmers whose programs run in Mediator?
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Posted by Peter on 12-Sep-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
It is so funny how you see these stories :-)
As you may read in VGR website archive Elbox had an agreement with FM for CGX3 Virge and Voodoo drivers for the Mediator.
When FM got the hardware from Elbox and finished an alfa version of the drivers then TD from DCE went to FM and offered money so that FM did not support Mediator but G-REX.
Maybe Elbox should then go FM and offer more money than TD with so that FM would not support G-REX but Mediator again?
You really think that Elbox are so stupid?
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Posted by Peter on 12-Sep-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
What W3D case? The W3D team asked Elbox for a free Mediator board to make free W3D drivers, and after one year changed their mind and demanded cash for these drivers?
You want to blame Elbox that they paid for something which they should not have paid. It was Hyperion's business to have their games running in Voodoo, so IMHO it was rather Hyperion who should pay the W3D team.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 12-Sep-2002 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Peter):
the change came because Warp3d became OEM so ALL had to pay.
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Posted by tinman on 12-Sep-2002 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Q. Public):
> With the exception of a few missing capacitors, they're identical
Hmm. The Shark is slated as having different specs, so while both boards were probably based on some IBM reference design (I'm sure there were links to that posted here too) they should be different.
You all seemed so keen on not having them re-do the work for USB anyway...
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Sep-2002 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Darrin):
The P96 team ASKED for MONEY in order for ELBOX to GET a DRIVER or GET the SDK
to MAKE a driver.
Elbox didn't do that... they just reverse engineered the CV3d/64 driver and
made their own...
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Sep-2002 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Peter):
Hyperion had NO free mediator, or mediator hardware at all. They had a page of
specs. Later they changed the licence, so ALL had to pay, even DCE that DID
give them hardware earlier. Elbox whined and whined, till they payed.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Sep-2002 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Elbox makes very good hardware but their communication skills leave something to be desired.
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