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Posted on 11-Sep-2002 18:05 GMT by Senex (Martin Heine)69 comments
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At Morphos-News.de Thendic France make a few post A-Expo notes. 1. Pricing for the Pegasos and Betatester

The Pegasos mainboard with 600 Mhz G3 (which is upgradeable AND scalable) will be sold to end-users for 560 Euros (no VAT) from Thendic-France or our Distributors/Resellers. Our prices to Resellers and Distributors are of course better and are based on volume. They are in business too. We need to support them and we will. The G4 upgrade (800Mhz) can be purchased for less than 200 Euros and you will be able to do this well before the end of the year -- if you want (see on an earlier thread here for a discussion about this). You will see basic models of the Pegasos for less than 800 Euros (including tax and taking all the different country VATs into consideration) as GGS Data in Sweden is now offering and Vesalia will soon.

2. MorphOS

MorphOS gets better daily and we will delivered Betatester machines 127-133 this week. Betatester machines remain 1000 Euros because of the extras that come with it - the smart card reader, the wireless camera, and the DataPlay module - depending on what the individual Betatester is working on. Betatesters also get successively upgraded (as required/desired) to each version of the G4 and have FTP access to the latest ROM. The Betatester becomes the development machine for the eclipsis. The first peripherals will be distributed in Frankfurt at Betatester II on 12 October.

3. Linux

Further, every version of Linux for the PPC known has been installed and works fine on the Pegasos. We have been especially amazed by Mac-on-Linux. Sitting next to a G4 iMac you cannot tell the difference between the machines while running the same applications.

4. Show/Demonstration Schedule and Updates

a. For the Finnish Amiga Users Group the following individuals will be present:

Gerald Carda (bplan)
Ralph Schmidt (bplan)
Rakesh Raghoebardayal (Thendic)
Sharwin Raghoebardayal (Thendic)
Teemu Suikki (Finnish MorphOS Core Developer)
Harry Sintonen (Finnish MorphOS Core Developer)

We will also have other Finnish Betatesters/Pegasos owners present.

b. Thendic/plan will be out in force for the WOA Show in Brentwood, Essex, UK on 2 November.

c. A Pegasos Show will be held in Lodz, Poland on 16 November. Please refer to www.pegasos.pl for details as they become available.

d. A Pegasos Show also be held in Moscow. A date has not been set. You will be able to see information on www.amiga.org.ru.

If you want to hold a Pegasos show/demo please send us an email. We will figure out a way to support you. There are Pegasos demos being planned/scheduled in nearly every weekend until the big show in Aachen in December.

5. Un grand MERCI!

The A-Expo was *extremely* well organized. We were very pleased to be involved. Congratulations to the A-Expo Team! We will have our pictures from the event posted to www.thendic-france.com shortly.

Sincerely, Raquel and Bill
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 1 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 11-Sep-2002 16:50 GMT
For people un-interested in the amiga market they're going to an awful lot of amiga shows.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 2 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Sep-2002 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
For a guy with zero interest in Pegasos, you troll awfully lot.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 3 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Sep-2002 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Troll? I think it was a pretty valid point and you know it too. There's no point in denying their morally questionable way of marketing the MorphOS/Pegasos.
dh0:> c:flames >NIL:
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 4 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Tchelko on 11-Sep-2002 19:04 GMT
Hello,
I am quite impressed with all those stupid flameware.
Since 1994 we didn't have see anything really concrete : we will have NEW hardware whatever it be pegasos or aone... Everybody should be happy with that. We live in a capitalistic world, competition is one of its rule.
Be happy. :)
Enjoy!
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 5 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 11-Sep-2002 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Tchelko):
You know the problem when there's a choice (Spectrum vs C64, Megadrive vs SNES, Amiga vs Atari, PC vs everything, PS2 vs XBox vs GC ;)
Still, wasn't all this posted recently? Maybe it was just a comment in a thread but it definately looks hellluva familiar.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 6 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 11-Sep-2002 19:49 GMT
Hello,
To cOrpse and SamFace:
This is not valid at all as this is based on misinterpreted information.
And so your point is simply wrong :)
Regards
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 7 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Sep-2002 20:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Steve):
Wake up and smell the coffe, you don't find the marketing policies of Thendic-France atleast a tiny little bit unethical (please note, that's not the same thing as illegal)? Or, perhaps you didn't notice the sponored links on google?
Anyway, everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion...
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 8 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 11-Sep-2002 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
corpse wrote:
> For people un-interested in the amiga market they're going to an awful lot of amiga shows.
Is there still confusion about this? They never said they weren't interested in the Amiga market, they said the weren't *only* interested in the Amiga market, with plans also for embedded applications, etc. Hope this clarifies things for you.
-- gary_c
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 9 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 11-Sep-2002 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Samface):
Samface wrote:
> Wake up and smell the coffe, you don't find the marketing policies of Thendic-France atleast a tiny little bit unethical (please note, that's not the same thing as illegal)?
No, actually I don't. They are showing their products at Amiga-platform shows, etc. This is because it is one of their markets. They'd be fools to avoid these shows, wouldn't they? What's wrong (unethical) about offering a competing product to a potential customer? They are not misrepresenting themselves or their products. No one is being led to believe MorphOS IS AmigaOS or the Pegasos IS an AmigaOne. You'll have to explain your concerns more in detail. To look at it another way, Thendic-France has been *invited* to the shows it has attended. Does this mean the show organizers are also being unethical or simply duped? The immorality and/or ignorance runs deep and wide, doesn't it? ;-)
> Or, perhaps you didn't notice the sponored links on google?
Perhaps you didn't notice this topic has been beaten to death already. The association of the Thendic ads to personal names in google searches has been discontinued, I believe. The association with searches for Amiga One, a PowerPC computer, is a legitimate business strategy as far as I can tell. This is because people interested in that computer would also be likely to find the Pegasos, also a PowerPC computer, interesting. Again, there is no statement that the Pegasos IS an Amiga, Inc. product. All just my opinion, of course.
-- gary_c
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 10 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 12-Sep-2002 00:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (gary_c):
.>> They are showing their products at Amiga-platform shows, etc
keeping the shows alive from the monotomy of another linux of ppc showing..
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 11 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 02:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Samface):
There's nothing at all wrong with targeting someone elses market. We call this "Competition" and it happens every day. Pepsi/Coke Mac/Windows/"Switch" Apache/IIS ect...
Amiga Inc don't "own" the customers, like we were cattle with a brand seared into our rear.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 12 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 12-Sep-2002 03:36 GMT
the only thing I didn't like about this post is that it is just a repost of morphos-news.de. wouldn't it be better to have a small intro here and then point interested users towards morphos-news.de instead?
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 13 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 12-Sep-2002 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (gary_c):
would have thought there would be shows for the *other* markets in there as well though wouldn't you.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 14 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 12-Sep-2002 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Samface):
Hello,
"Wake up and smell the coffe, you don't find the marketing policies of Thendic-France atleast a tiny little bit unethical (please note, that's not the same thing as illegal)? Or, perhaps you didn't notice the sponored links on google?"
Sorry, but that you who should wake up. Are you really living in the real world? Lots of companies if not quite all, who are using Google adds service, are using it the same way Thendic is using it :) It's not aprticularly unethical, it's really usual :)
You know there is a world around your Amiga bubble, you really should take a look at it :)
Regards
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 15 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Steve):
An unethical deed is not suddenly ethical because everyone does it.
So we know they want Amiga developers to work for their platform (pretory news item) but what _are_ those supposedly other markets they aim for?
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 16 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Sep-2002 10:30 GMT
I fail to see what would be unethical about advertising the Pegasos to
people searching for the AOne. Personally I'm annoyed by any kind of
advertising in search engines, but obviously Google needs an income
too - and I don't find these too obtrusive. If you're not interested
in an ad - *any* ad - then don't click on it. Could someone give a
single argument why this particular form of advertising would be
worse than any other method?
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 17 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 10:38 GMT
Lets look at this from another perspective. If only Amiga Inc. and its associates would be as supportive of Amiga shows as the MorphOS camp has been of late. Many shows are getting huge support from Thendic that will surely attract a lot of visitors and thus benefit everyone involved.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 18 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 10:42 GMT
The level of support Thendic are giving to Amiga shows is reminiscent of the way Petro used to support Amiga user groups and their events. Something sorely missed under the current Amiga ownership.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 19 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Berens on 12-Sep-2002 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Steve):
> Sorry, but that you who should wake up. Are you really living in
> the real world? Lots of companies if not quite all, who are using
> Google adds service, are using it the same way Thendic is using it :)
> It's not aprticularly unethical, it's really usual :)
If I type "BMW" in Google I don't get a "Mercedes" ad, if I type
"Coke" I don't get a "Pepsi" ad , if I type "Pegasos" I don't
get an Eyetech/AmigaOne ad - but if I type "AmigaOne" I get
a ThendicFrance/Pegasos ad...
Sorry, but this is not only unethical but probably illegal.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 20 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Johan Rönnblom):
Its about misleading people into believing that Pegasos has something to do with AmigaOne.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 21 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Anyway, Im sorry for raising this again, it has already discussed to death. My apologies.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 22 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 12-Sep-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Martin Berens):
One of the most imaginative marketing moves Commodore ever pulled was post a CD32 advertisement in front of Sega's UK headquarters with a direct reference to Sega, saying "To be this good will take Sega ages". Depending on your perspective, it was either great marketing or simply outrageous and whatnot.
For years, the Amiga community seems to have agreed: It was GREAT marketing. Something Commodore should have done more often. The community and industry experts also seems to have agreed: Commodore should have done more of any kind of marketing.
I agree that the alleged association of people's names and the Pegasos on Google was a bad move. I don't know if that happened, but if it did, it was something that should not happen again. However, posting a Pegasos advertisement on Google search word AmigaOne is quite reminiscent of the way Commodore advertised CD32. Not as imaginative, not as great, but reminiscent.
It is marketing. Nobody owns the Amiga market. I for one am happy that for once someone is competing of our attention. At the moment Thendic seem to be doing a pretty good job in getting people interested. If Amiga follows the suit well, the future might turn out to be very interesting. Nothing makes one try harder than a bit of competition...
I for one wish the best of luck to all these companies. Whether or not any one of them will get my support or money depends on who brings out products that interest me.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 23 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Martin Berens):
Do a Google search on Mercedes and see what Sponsored Ads come up.
then come back and start complaining that eBay are being unethical for sponsoring an ad Google for Mercedes searches.
Indeed, do a searchon most common car makes, and you'll see 2 or 3 sponsored links - all from the same 3 generic online car dealers. Dealers who feature certain cars prominantly on their front page (but NOT the car of the make for which you searched Google).
I;m afraid I STILL don't see why you think it is illegal for a DEALER to place a sponsored link on teh word "Amiga" when that dealer is selling (or about to sell) a computer which runs (almost) all existing Amiga applications, andmore than it is illegal for a car dealer to pay for an ad linked to specific car makes.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 24 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 12-Sep-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Janne Sirén):
"I agree that the alleged association of people's names and the Pegasos on Google was a bad move. I don't know if that happened, but if it did, it was something that should not happen again. However, posting a Pegasos advertisement on Google search word AmigaOne is quite reminiscent of the way Commodore advertised CD32. Not as imaginative, not as great, but reminiscent."
nope wrong its not the same as the google thing at all.
as CBM were saying that the CD32 was better than the saga console, they were not saying that the CD32 was the new saga console or was linked in anyway to the saga console.
they simplly said we are better.
but what i see with the pega is not the same, cos they dont say we are better they confuse ppl into thinking this is some sort of amiga.
the CD32 add did not try to make ppl think this is some sort of saga console.
& what is see ppl compaining about is not the fact they are after the amiga market but the fact they are being dishonest by saing they are not & they clearly are .
there is nothing wrong with targeting the amiga ppl but dont say your not when you are.
& they do put far more effort at the amiga market than any other that i have seen sofar.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 25 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Berens on 12-Sep-2002 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> I'm afraid I STILL don't see why you think it is illegal for a DEALER
> to place a sponsored link on teh word "Amiga" when that dealer is selling
> (or about to sell) a computer which runs (almost) all existing Amiga
> applications, andmore than it is illegal for a car dealer to pay for an
> ad linked to specific car makes.
You don't want to understand, eh?
If Thendic would sell AmigaOnes there would be no problem.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 26 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 12-Sep-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
nope he was clear in what he was saying about BMW then you get Mercedes showing up.
& what your comming out with is not the same at all.
cos what your saing does not take away sale from the orgid product.
search for BMW & i also get a spons link from like a online book store selling books on BMW.
do you think ppl will say oh forget buying a BMW ill just buy the book.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 27 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Alkemyst):
They have not said they are not after the "Amiga market". PLEASE get your facts straight! They have simply said that is not their SOLE market.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 28 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 12-Sep-2002 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
action speak louder than words & i have yet to see them do anything than turn up at amiga shows
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 29 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 12-Sep-2002 15:12 GMT
Well, just to cut the flame stuff.
I was present a the A-Expo and I must say that I've never seen that many amigans WITH THEIR COMPUTERS inthe same room ! It was amazing. Lots of points of view could be exchanged. The 3 meals were taken altogether so everybody could enjoy talks and fun together too (Boboche singing is an unforgettable funstuff).
Now, a little message to those ranting about Thendic being present everywhere : what to expect from a company that, for the first time since ages, has a TRUE commercial policy, communicates and shows more that a single mo-bo in a plastic jar, just saying "It will this, it will that..." ?
Can't you just stop complaining about stuff you don't know about and obsiously don't want to ? (No, no, I'm not aiming at anybody while saying this...)
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 30 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 15:52 GMT
I question motives here as well, particularly after Thendic was so emphatic about the Amiga community being irrelevant and that it was the developers they were courting.
What I haven't seen addressed is the MorphOS gameplan. We all understand the level of AmigaOS compatibility, but where is it heading beyond this? Is their intention to remain as closely compatible with the system as possible? Does their strategy include x86 platform support? Lots of marketspeak, but very little substance.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 31 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Sep-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (anonymous):
No substance?
Companies have the RIGHT to keep their plan SECRET in order to COMPETE.
If they said: We'll implement this, that and that, next we'll port this
and that, and move to the x hardware we are going to develop,
their competitors will do moves to stop them, or to compete with them.
It's LOGICAL, why can't most people understand that? Are they OBSESSED
by the way Amiga Inc says EVERYTHING? It's not like that everywhere, you
know!
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 32 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 12-Sep-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Alkemyst):
Unlike AInc who have yet to turn up to any amiga shows ;-)
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 33 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Eyetech have been at diffrent Amigashows, they are the one making the Amiga computer. Thendic are just a distributor for Bplan, but doing a great job (at the shows, NOT HERE on ANN!) showing the PegaSOS and morefuss...
Why do everyone expect Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion to show up at every Amigashow, did Thendic do that 6 months ago when they had no product available?
The AmigaOne and OS4 are still not ready (Ok, AmigaOne are..) when it will be ready I'm sure it will be on display at almost every Amiga show around the world!
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 34 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2002 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"No substance? Companies have the RIGHT to keep their plan SECRET in order to COMPETE... It's LOGICAL, why can't most people understand that? Are they OBSESSED by the way Amiga Inc says EVERYTHING? It's not like that everywhere, you know!"
This has *nothing* to do with Amiga Inc., but obviously is becoming the typical Thendic/bPlan reaction to every query that is posed. Instead of using this forum as an opportunity to slag the competition why not try respecting the interests of consumers and answering their questions?
If I am expected to invest in software that Thendix/bPlan are promoting with their hardware and have no details as to what I am getting in return, how can I make an informed buying decision? Whether you agree with Amiga offering open disclosure on what they are doing is not the point. Thendic is providing nothing. Are we supposed to just jump on the bandwagon in good faith?
We constantly get bombarded with drivel that has virtually no connection to the community, but when we ask legitimate questions look what we get in return? Great marketing strategy.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 35 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 12-Sep-2002 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (gary_c):
Stop it, we've been through this before. The MorphOS team has even announced MorphOS as "AmigaOS on PPC" as well as "Amiga next-generation PowerPC OS". Thendic-France advertise the Pegasos on Google if you search for "AmigaOne", "Amiga One" and "Ben Hermans". This may or may not be illegal but denying the fact that they are using Amiga Inc. and their partners trademarks, product names and specific individuals names for marketing their products is pure ignorance. These are indesputable facts and you may have whatever opinion you like, just don't deny them. Such blindness would only make you trip and hurt yourself real bad one day...
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 36 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User in Waiting on 12-Sep-2002 23:10 GMT
...sigh...
I guess if I built an OS that was Mac compatible (I'll call it RednDeliciOS), looked like MacOS, did ads on Google that popped up when you searched Mac, posted status updates on Mac news sites, called it the next generation Mac, and took it to Mac trade shows, Apple would ignore it?
Throw into the equation that I had programmers working for me that had seen the source code to MacOS, the public betas of RednDeliciOS required MacOS to operate, and I would say that I would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Morphos is so bold that they make the Lindows camp look conservative.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 37 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 12-Sep-2002 23:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Samface):
Samface wrote:
> Stop it, we've been through this before. The MorphOS team has even announced MorphOS as "AmigaOS on PPC" as well as "Amiga next-generation PowerPC OS". Thendic-France advertise the Pegasos on Google if you search for "AmigaOne", "Amiga One" and "Ben Hermans".
No, not Ben Hermans. This was done early on, along with other Amiga-platform-associated names, but no more, as the inappropriateness of it was pointed out. As for MorphOS being called "AmigaOS on PPC," etc., you are out of date here also. These things were once said, it's true, but that was way back when it might have actually become that. These statements are no longer made AFAIK. If you have a recent quote, please share it.
> This may or may not be illegal but denying the fact that they are using Amiga Inc. and their partners trademarks, product names and specific individuals names for marketing their products is pure ignorance. These are indesputable facts and you may have whatever opinion you like, just don't deny them. Such blindness would only make you trip and hurt yourself real bad one day...
Sorry, but these "facts" are either dated information or one individual's interpretation, in either case far from "indesputable." Once again, it is not unethical to name a competitor's product in advertising, as many examples show. What exactly does the Thendic ad on google say? Here it is:
"Pegasos PowerPC Computer
G3/G4 Scalable and Upgradeable
Runs linux and amiga® applications
www.thendic-france.com"
I don't see any claim to BE Amiga, Inc., only that Amiga applications can be run on this computer (they're even listed second after linux :-)). This obviously isn't an ad for an "AmigaOne" computer, since the name is given as "Pegasos PowerPC Computer" and Thendic's name is included. It's the ability to run Amiga programs that makes it appropriate to place the ad in the AmigaOne/Amiga One search results. This is not unethical.
You may feel you are the man with the facts debating with people who have mere opinions, but I hope you will see that your "facts" are also open to question; and we are not blind, as you say, but simply seeing things from another angle.
-- gary_c
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 38 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 12-Sep-2002 23:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Amiga User in Waiting):
Amiga User In Waiting wrote:
> I guess if I built an OS that was Mac compatible (I'll call it RednDeliciOS), looked like MacOS, did ads on Google that popped up when you searched Mac, posted status updates on Mac news sites, called it the next generation Mac, and took it to Mac trade shows, Apple would ignore it?
No, they wouldn't. And they didn't as you may recall. The first time I saw BeOS was at MacWorld Expo Tokyo. Be blew everybody away. Didn't take Apple long to get all anal about things and kill the clones and refuse Be documentation for the g3s and g4s. Apple was in a position to lock out a superior consumer choice, forcing BeOS to x86. Fortunately (from the MorphOS/bPlan perspective) bPlan has their own hardware as well as OS. Your analogy is faulty anyway.
> Throw into the equation that I had programmers working for me that had seen the source code to MacOS,
Please post your evidense of this. AFAIK it is not true.
> the public betas of RednDeliciOS required MacOS to operate,
No longer necessary; early betas have their limitations. If you have a concern about the current release, let's hear it.
> and I would say that I would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Well, it hasn't so far, MorphOS/bplan are the obvious first choice if Amiga, Inc. intends to go after IP violaters, so I'd say their silence is rather damning. True, it's only a few weeks since the "deadline" of Sept. 1, but Amiga, if they have a legitimate case, has seen this coming for a long time.
> Morphos is so bold that they make the Lindows camp look conservative.
In view of the challenge in getting any new operating system off the ground, boldness is definitely a virtue.
-- gary_c
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 39 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2002 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Martin Berens):
At one thing they were very successful - to bring this campaign and the name of Pegasos and Thendic (and bplan and MorphOS) in nearly every thread, where it is regularly discussed to death.
If I would do a google search for something, I would care jack for any ads just like I don´t care for the Opera browser banner or edonkey banner ads etc...
So a big merci for all that free Amiga-follower PR! :-))
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 40 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2002 01:10 GMT
Ewww. What that stank in here. Must be MOS fanatics yapping away again...
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 41 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by LorD on 13-Sep-2002 04:00 GMT
I never read so much bullshit...
- about google search engine : there can't be any legal issue since it is not advertisment, Morphos is really a next step in Amiga life and nobody is trying to lie about that ! Google is ONLY a search engine and it tries to find everything related to one subject. If you want you can put "XXX, ass, wore" in your keywords...
- about Thendic policy : they are doing there job very well, showing what they are doing, etc... Nothing to say but they are doing a great thing to show they are existing.
- about what some says that they are not explaining everything : I thing what is behind Pegasos/Morphos is VERY clear ! everything is said. It has not the Amiga name, but is has the Amiga way of life and there can't be any legal issue about that !
So now stop spreading lies or bullshit and try to open your eyes !
Precision : I am not against AmigaOne/AmigaOS4.x, I am just for an equal competition, because we are in a REAL world !!!
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 42 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 13-Sep-2002 04:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (gary_c):
Aaaah.... Now that really makes sense. Let's apply that logic to an example of arresting a murderer:
Police Officer: I hereby arrest you for the murder of JFK. You have the right to remain silent...
Murderer: But officer, that was years ago! Your information is out of date.
Police Officer: Oh... Well, ok then. You're free to go.
Murderer: Thank you, Officer.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 43 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 13-Sep-2002 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (LorD):
It has the Amiga way of life? Now that's really good marketing on their behalf; they have managed to convince people that their product has the Amiga way of life before it's even released!
Sheeesh...
Tell me, how do you define "the Amiga way of life"?
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 44 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2002 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Samface):
What's the logic in this?! Pegasos murders Amiga or what? *lol*
You need your head examined now and then, Sir.
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Posted by Senex on 13-Sep-2002 05:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Samface):
> that their product has the Amiga way
> of life before it's even released!
Pegasos and MorphOS have been shown to the public some times already - MOS/Ambient gives you the same look&feel as the original Amiga/Workbench.
Thendic: Post A-Expo notes : Comment 46 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 13-Sep-2002 05:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Samface):
Samface wrote:
> Aaaah.... Now that really makes sense. Let's apply that logic to an example of arresting a murderer:
[...]
Murderer: But officer, that was years ago! Your information is out of date.
[...]
As you stated in an earlier post, it isn't legality but ethical behavior we are discussing in the matter of Thendic's ads. Therefore your analogy of a murder is a waste of a good microdrama. Of course the passage of time doesn't excuse criminal activity (within the parameters of statute of limitations exceptions, of course). But in the case of ethical business practices, although this is subjective, I would say what's the point of bringing up things that are no longer being done? While you can claim the original behavior illustrates the company's lack of ethics, I can also claim that stopping the behavior illustrates their awareness of ethics. So it's pointless to continue debating what's now just a little footnote in history. Certainly there are *current* things that we can argue about. :-)
-- gary_c
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Posted by gary_c on 13-Sep-2002 05:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Anonymous wrote:
> Ewww. What that stank in here. Must be MOS fanatics yapping away again...
If you're talking about me, I'm not particularly a MorphOS fanatic; I just don't like to see bogus arguments going unanswered. Come on, say something meaty or get off the line. There isn't much fun replying to braindead posts like yours.
-- gary_c
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Posted by Samface on 13-Sep-2002 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (gary_c):
Well, fine. I guess it's about each individual's own definition of ethics. My definition is that if you're aware of those ethics, then you don't break those ethics in the first place. They did this which proves that they act before they think and therefore I don't trust them. Also, if they know what they did was wrong and if they are so aware of morals and ethics, how come I haven't seen an official apology from them yet?
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 13-Sep-2002 06:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (gary_c):
@gary_c
> While you can claim the original behavior illustrates the company's lack of
> ethics, I can also claim that stopping the behavior illustrates their
> awareness of ethics.
Not really. The particular exercise he was referring to never had a commercial value (in that it wasn't bringing in interested potential customers), so it was always going to be short term move, a way of publically saying "up yours" to certain people.
IMHO the gesture demonstrates a lack of maturity on the part of the perpetrator, but judging by the reaction in certain corners of this forum, some found it "cool" and "funny". Oh well, some people laugh when someone says "fart"....
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Posted by Solar on 13-Sep-2002 07:07 GMT
Trying to bend this discussion back into my most favourite direction:
Hyperion told us that dual-booting Windows is *evil* because it allows you to use the apps of the Enemy. IIRC the MorphOS camp more or less agreed with this.
Now they are boasting how you can run Mac-on-Linux on the Pegasos, which allows you...?
Correct. To use Word, Excel and Internet Explorer.
Then again, a PPC desktop OS isn't competing with Microsoft. Sorry I forgot that. ;-)
Samface, stop playing with the kids. Dinner is ready. :-D
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