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[News] AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd MeyerANN.lu
Posted on 14-Sep-2002 04:54 GMT by Bladerunner18 comments
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AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by q on 14-Sep-2002 06:45 GMT
Hmm... I haven't seen all there is about this new Amithlon situation, but could someone clarify few things:
1) There is Amithlon 1, and there are some legal issues with it?
2) Bernie is creating new Amithlon with Amiga's blessing, as said with the newest executive update?
3) H&P or just Harald Frank are talking about even another sequel for Amithlon 1?
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 14-Sep-2002 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (q):
Essentially all 3 seems to be same what I have heard. Of course there are lot other details not told on public like: What Bernie had to give/pay AmigaInc to get official Os-license and this open support for this upcoming Bernithlon system? It's been announced as cross-licensing deal, so it's most likely something to do with 68K emulation/Jit stuff he has developed.
I'll hope someone has clearly written and authentic douments about those rights and ownerships of various parts and pieces of OS. I had bad personal esperience on trying to sort out some old deals between peoples (and I agreed to be mediator, me stupid). It was NOT funny at all..
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Sep-2002 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
@JoannaK
> Of course there are lot other details not told on public like: What Bernie had
> to give/pay AmigaInc to get official Os-license and this open support for this
> upcoming Bernithlon system?
You don't expect full details of such deals to be made public, do you?
> It's been announced as cross-licensing deal, so it's most likely something
> to do with 68K emulation/Jit stuff he has developed.
AFAIK, it's simply a matter of Bernie paying a license fee per units sold, and Amiga Inc. acting as an OEM. If the product reaches a wider audience and is reasonably priced, Amiga Inc. stand to make some money out of it, which is more than they were doing previously. That in itself is enough to justify their backing, and I see no grounds for suspecting anything more sinister going on in the background.
> I'll hope someone has clearly written and authentic douments about those
> rights and ownerships of various parts and pieces of OS. I had bad personal
> esperience on trying to sort out some old deals between peoples (and I agreed
> to be mediator, me stupid). It was NOT funny at all..
I think that's half the problem with the Amiga scene. For years it has been shabbily handled by amateurs on ALL sides, and even people who have been highly regarded over the years have acted with irresponsible disregard for contractual propriety at times, hence the current all round crap.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 14-Sep-2002 08:49 GMT
Hey Bernd - does your statement mean that if H&P *do* know about it we can send abuse in their direction!? ;)
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 14-Sep-2002 09:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Bill Hoggett):
"You don't expect full details of such deals to be made public, do you?"
Well.. considering what harm all this secracy, backstabbing and information hiding has caused, some openess on issues like this might not do much harm in comparision.
There are so much speculation and blaming going on that opening things up is about only way I can see to end it all. Unfortunately there is no single acceptable answer to how open it all should be. There may be some trade secrets (not to mention major blunders) some people don't want to be publicly known.
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> I'll hope someone has clearly written and authentic douments about those
> rights and ownerships of various parts and pieces of OS.
I think that's half the problem with the Amiga scene."
Another is personalities.. Amiga has allways attracted those who are brilliantly intelligent and (well.. how to put this politely?) a bit less gifted on some other minor issues of human life.
"For years it has been shabbily handled by amateurs on ALL sides, and even people who have been highly regarded over the years have acted with irresponsible disregard for contractual propriety at times, hence the current all round crap."
What to say... Many years there have been no-one willing nor capable of taking care of these issues so things have grown as they best have. But against all odds, there have been development during those years, and there are new
Now there seem to be some people willing to rule Amiga and not just use it's glorious name and history to market nonrelated products.. But unfortunately their capabilities have not shown much promise.. And these most likely successors to throne look not much better...
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 14-Sep-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (JoannaK):
> Well.. considering what harm all this secracy, backstabbing and
> information hiding has caused, some openess
> on issues like this might not do much harm in comparision.
What? There has been plenty of such "openness" in recent times. All you end up with is all sides bleating, making marketing speeches on ANN.lu and claiming that the other side is lying.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 14-Sep-2002 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
>What Bernie had to give/pay AmigaInc to get official Os-license and this
>open support for this upcoming Bernithlon system?
This has nothing to do with the topic and it's entirely between the two parties. I don't understand why people here always have to be interested in people's private issues.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 14-Sep-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (amigammc):
Anyways, McBill has already stated that the contract Bernd signed was the exact same contract that they offered H&P, the only difference being that Bernd signed his :)
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 14-Sep-2002 18:44 GMT
I think nobody is winning a point in a niche market. In the end there are only losers.
My feeling is that Bernie is doing things in legal ways. And that his vision is a better one
than AMITHLON XL. I hope the AMITHLON 2.0 will soon hit my desk.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 14-Sep-2002 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (hgm):
I also am eagerly looking forward to Bernies new product, as well as the
other new products coming out. I intend to sample them all! :)
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 14-Sep-2002 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Donovan Reeve):
I'll sample them all too, well, all the Legal Licensed products anyway... If I felt like Pirating Amiga IP, I wouldn't pay a developer for the CD containing the unlicensed product.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Sep-2002 06:35 GMT
I suggest all Amithlon fans boycott any future Harold Frank backed "AmithlonXL" package, and buy the real "Berniethlon" package. Please support Bernie M. Without his efforts Amithlon wouldn't exist at all.
I also doubt very much that "A-XL" will (legally) contain any parts of OS4.
It would be a same to see Bernie give up, and leave the Amiga scene altogether (as was suggested on one site) because of IP theft/pricay.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 15-Sep-2002 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
It won't be necessary, I have a feeling "AmithlonXL" is a snow job.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 15-Sep-2002 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
It won't be necessary, I have a feeling "AmithlonXL" is a snow job.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by bbrockie on 15-Sep-2002 13:15 GMT
Does this mean that Haage&Partner's so called "No-Piracy" pages are obsolete? ;)
http://www.haage-partner.de/amiga/nopiracy/howto-e.htm
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Sep-2002 19:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (bbrockie):
I wonder if this makes piracy of OS 3.5 "fair game" ?
Afterall, if Amiga doesn't get to see any of the money, they won't benefit, whether or not we buy a copy. And if H&P aren't paying their royalties to AInc... they must have 'stolen' enough royalties to cover a little piracy.
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by zeigerpuppy on 15-Sep-2002 21:24 GMT
I'd love top buy Amithlon, of any description. Here's the probem: most users don't give two hoots about the infighting, backstabbing, legal problems etc... they just want the product! This seems to be something that the various parties involved have failed to realise...
Back to the point though; can I get a copy from Bernie? Can I get a copy from Amiga? Can I get a copy from H & P?
AmithlonXL Statement from Bernd Meyer : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by J├╝rgen Lange on 16-Sep-2002 01:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (zeigerpuppy):
> Back to the point though; can I get a copy from Bernie? Can I get a
> copy from Amiga? Can I get a copy from H & P?
First question: No, he has to fix some legal issues fist.
Second question: I don't know. They are listed as a reseller but
I never have seen an announcement by themselves.
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