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[News] Request Amiga Port Of OperaANN.lu
Posted on 17-Sep-2002 19:18 GMT by AnonX20 comments
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Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 1 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Sep-2002 17:25 GMT
Doubt its going to happen , amigaOS needs to get a few things OS wise before windows , linux etc software will be easy to port .. but this has been said sooo many time before ;)
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 2 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Ian on 17-Sep-2002 17:39 GMT
In the early days of Opera, before it was actually released, there was an Amiga port effort. Unfortunately the effort was cancelled, probably because the "porters" got out of their depths or lost interest. Happens time and time again.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 3 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 17-Sep-2002 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
Yes, perhaps it's better to wait until AOS4 is out and selling well?
I doubt they're against a port on principle, since they announced one a few years back, though the project was never finished. It would be really neat to have a major browser running on AOS.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 4 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 17-Sep-2002 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anarchic_teapot):
Perhaps it's better to wait till there *IS* an OS4 ...?
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 5 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Sep-2002 18:16 GMT
Opera isnt exactly a good browser imo.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 6 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 17-Sep-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
> Perhaps it's better to wait till there *IS* an OS4 ...?
That's what I said. In fact I went further and said it would have to sell well before it would be worth asking a company like Opera to port their browser.
<shakes head>
I dunno, some people, so much in a hurry to make snide remarks they don't even bother to read the text they're replying to.
<goes off muttering>
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 7 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Sep-2002 20:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anarchic_teapot):
The last Amiga port was part of "Project Magic". This customer driven porting plan was one of the last ill conceived ideas to come from Helmar Rudolph before he and Opera parted ways (after that Helmar got involved with BeOS, just so you know how good he is at picking winners)
Opera is a small company, and although it didn't put its own engineers on "Project Magic" it did waste a lot of engineering time supporting the losers who'd been brought in by Helmar to do the real work. I have no idea whether they also received financial compensation up front.
All the "Project Magic" ports were more or less failures. On Linux a completely new port was done by Trolltech, and something similar happened on the Mac iirc.
Since then all new Opera ports have been done on a cash basis. Companies that want Opera for their platform (e.g. QNX) must give Opera Software a pile of money so that they can justify hiring the extra talent to make it happen. If they stop paying, new versions of the port stop arriving. There is no pile of money for OS/2, Solaris or BeOS. So there are no new ports.
Is there a pile of money for AmigaDE or AmigaOS ? I didn't think so.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 8 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 18-Sep-2002 00:32 GMT
I think it'd be better to support the existing Amiga browsers and hope for their upgrade. It's a lot more likely to happen and frankly I'd rather support those who've been supporting Amiga all along.
coldfire
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 9 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 18-Sep-2002 02:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
To Project Magic's credit, the EPOC port turned out well. I do think it was the only one to produce product of the Amiga / OS/2 / Psion trinity I was following.
Of course, the EPOC port was/is available free, so I'm not sure it helped their business model any.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 10 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by ExiE on 18-Sep-2002 06:23 GMT
We will wait for decent Amiga browser forever...
New version of IBrowse (2.3) is comming after two years but
Will the Plugin API be working? No
Will IBrowse 2.3 support CSS ? No
Will IBrowse 2.3 be PPC at all? No
Will IBrowse 2.3 support graphical printing ? No ...etc
Amiga browsers are projects of one (or few) volunteers, and it is IMHO not enough to finish full featured browser soon enough. Only chance is port browser from 'other side' like Mozilla or Opera
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 11 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 06:44 GMT
....if the partnership between Tao and Amiga is so good why not somehow use that to get Opera ported to Intent and therefore also AmigaDE? Would it not help Tao to have a decent browser running natively on thier system.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 12 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 18-Sep-2002 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
What about Espial's "Escape" browser on Intent?
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 13 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 18-Sep-2002 07:46 GMT
Would be nice with an Opera port, but AmigaOS has a lot less users than Windows/Linux and Solaris, and while the *NIX versions can be coded in almost the same way this is not true for AmigaOS. So it's not very likely to happen.
"Yes, perhaps it's better to wait until AOS4 is out and selling well?"
You'll probably have to wait forever in that case.
"Opera isnt exactly a good browser imo."
Opera is a very good browser even if I think mozilla might be better. It can't be that easy to try figure out how all those "broken" homepages was supposed to look by the creator.
"I think it'd be better to support the existing Amiga browsers and hope for their upgrade. It's a lot more likely to happen and frankly I'd rather support those who've been supporting Amiga all along."
The problem with that is that I don't belive one single person can't made a browser which has to support all the stuff people think it should support nowadays. Porting one would save a lot of work.
"....if the partnership between Tao and Amiga is so good why not somehow use that to get Opera ported to Intent and therefore also AmigaDE? Would it not help Tao to have a decent browser running natively on thier system."
Probably a much better alternative than opera on AmigaOS. But maybe it's possible to port mozilla to Elate without that much effort?
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 14 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 19-Sep-2002 03:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Budda):
The owner of ESPIAL is none other than Invisible Hand (aka Dr Penti Kouri), the owner of Amiga Inc. Unfortunately Kouri Capital / Invisible went bankrupt in May 2001.
>Difficult porting.
Perhaps Amiga Inc. should port MKS toolkit, Bristol, QT, X-Windows or similar software to AmigaOS 4. Using this portability tools, it is easy to port various Unix / Linux applications to AmigaOS.
http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/cpdg/
http://www.bristol.com/news/pr/wu_20020912_v500.htm
http://www.trolltech.com/company/announce.html?Action=Show&AID=107
http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 15 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Treke on 19-Sep-2002 06:25 GMT
I think, opera is the best solution 4 Amiga, with version 7 being prepared, the core will change to be even more efficient. It is the way to go, fast, effective, small, keeping the standards (bad, that the pages are optimised for IE, which is not so keen with them).
But I doubt the port will ever happen. The mozzila is a big slow bloat. but the port is more realistic. Choose ;-)
And what about persuading Opera to make a port for AmigaDE? Then their browser can run "Anywhere" ;-)
re
Treke
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Posted by Hagge on 19-Sep-2002 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (anonymous):
Nothing important, but there are no "X-windows", there are only X or X window system.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 17 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 20-Sep-2002 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (ExiE):
>Will the Plugin API be working? No
There is little sence updating the API just for the 2.3 release since hardly
any plugins will be available that quickly. However the API has the highest priority after the 2.3 release is out, so plugins should be available at the
same time as IB3.0 arrives.
>Will IBrowse 2.3 support CSS ? No
Little point doing that without supporting layers or DOM
>Will IBrowse 2.3 be PPC at all? No
What's the point?
>Will IBrowse 2.3 support graphical printing ? No ...etc
Using turboprint and Postscript you will get better printing
than ever in IB2.3 :)
regards,
Stefan
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 18 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by who? on 20-Sep-2002 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
To be honest you seems to not known what to do with Opera, maybe it is not 100% compatible with everything, but it is by "a mile" the best of all in terms of usability, speed and interface!
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 19 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 21-Sep-2002 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hagge):
> "Yes, perhaps it's better to wait until AOS4 is out and selling well?"
> You'll probably have to wait forever in that case.
Possibly, but it certainly won't happen before. I agree with you, it'd be a really nice thing to have (and the fact that it already runs on several other OSes is a plus IMO), but it isn't going to happen unless things pick up radically in Amigaland.
I'm not blaming anyone. That's how it is.
Request Amiga Port Of Opera : Comment 20 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Colin Wilson on 21-Sep-2002 22:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (who?):
>To be honest you seems to not known what to do with Opera, maybe it is not
>100% compatible with everything, but it is by "a mile" the best of all in
>terms of usability, speed and interface!
Opera *is* very nice to use, and is more secure than IE.
The reason it doesn`t work with some sites is because the dumbass website designers don`t know how to write a site that is multi-platform, and not restricted to IE only.
There are some CSS issues, but again, they appear to be largely caused by poor use of standards.
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