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[News] Coldfie Project 060 new infos onlineANN.lu
Posted on 18-Sep-2002 09:49 GMT by AMIGAXP24 comments
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The Coldifire Motorola Project continue http://www.cdtv.org.uk/coldfire/ A good project to port new > 200Mhz Motorola 680x0 cpu to amiga classic The Coldifire Motorola Project continue http://www.cdtv.org.uk/coldfire/
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 18-Sep-2002 08:08 GMT
Thats not really news... theres been nothing added to the site since the 4th of August...
Oh and technically its not the Coldfire 060 project, because the 060 isn't a coldfire :) its just the Amiga Coldfire Project.
Still, I can't wait to put one of these things in my A1500 :-)
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Posted by Budda on 18-Sep-2002 09:40 GMT
I don't know why, but I seem to be intrigued by this project for an A1200 accelerator, more, than the never ending wait for the dumb AmigaOne board + OS.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 10:18 GMT
Ok better than nothing but i think that this was very profit 3 years ago. I gue ss a G3 @600Mhz with Petunia would be faster even in emulation.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 10:36 GMT
This would be a DCE killer is it was released today. I'd buy one immediately if the price was south of $300. I'd even likely get one if the price was in the $400 range. 220Mhz coldfire should wipe the floor with CSPPC. Too bad this is project started so recently, it's probably 1+ year off:-(
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Posted by KH Scherer on 18-Sep-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Is Petunia Yet Another Hardware Platform for us poor amiga users? I have heard of Pegasus and AmigaGS3E.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (KH Scherer):
No Petunia is the JIT 68k emulation layer for OS4.0.
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Posted by Kronos on 18-Sep-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
I don't think the Codfire would beat a CS-PPC, an it wasn't started late,
but just shortly after Moto announced the V4e which is th 1st CF-CPU
that is ( may be) compatible enough to make such a project possible.
AFAIK they are still using the normal V4 for the HW-design (the V4e
isn't released yet). If it has IDE,SD-Ram an 1xPCI (for Voodoo) it
will be good enough to reactivate my A2000.
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Posted by Oliver Hannaford-Day on 18-Sep-2002 12:47 GMT
Hi,
> theres been nothing added to the site since the 4th of August...
Yes, Sorry about that, the design is moving along, design wise everything is finished apart from the connection to the A4000`s fastslot (The address and data busses are connected, as is the power, Its just the bus control and some other bits that need connecting)
> 220Mhz coldfire should wipe the floor with CSPPC.
Thats why I like the Coldfire so much, The speed difference isnt that great but it will effect every program you run, From a simple "hello world" to Frogger or PCTask (And what about your old Emplant card?)
Anyway anyone interested should visit the above web site or join our news group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amigacoldfire/ for the latest news...
And if you have any questions please feel free to E-Mail me too.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kronos):
>I don't think the Codfire would beat a CS-PPC,
Maybe the CSPPC would have the edge running OS4/PPC native programs, but it should beat it in performance in all current programs. No context switches, just 68K programs X-times faster. PC100-vs-SIMM etc.
> If it has IDE,SD-Ram an 1xPCI (for Voodoo) it will be good enough to
>reactivate my A2000.
Oh hell yeah! Imagine this puppy having a Voodoo3 plugged into an onboard PCI slot? no Zorro bandwidth problems..
If these guys can pull it off and actually have a reasonable price, I think alot of people would be willing to reactivate their old systems:-) I can also imagine that Motorola will be putting out faster CF chips in the future. 500-1Ghz 68k Amiga anyone? ;-)
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Posted by Johan Forsberg on 18-Sep-2002 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Yes, definitely. My A4000 is largely collecting dust right now (since DCE ate my CyberStorm). But with one of these babies, it would be the ultimate Classic machine, well worth having (for games and demos) even if you get a brand spanking new A1+OS4.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 16:34 GMT
Would it be any better than PC with UAE/Amithlon?
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
YES!!!!
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 18-Sep-2002 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Well, I don't know if you noticed, but even with the latest WinUAE build, chipset emulation is somewhat lacking.
Oh sure, its enough to get an image on the screen, but many many things don't look quite like on a real amiga... scroll register emulation for example doesn't work quite like the real thing (noticeable in quite a few games I tried just last week). Some blitter functions bug under WinUAE, that don't on the real thing.
AGA emulation is awful!
In short, UAE is great if you want to get all nostalgic and play a few games, and I perfectly understand the benefits of emulation, but it isn't as good as the real thing yet.
I doubt you'll have cycle exact Amiga emulation (ala CCS64) for quite a while yet...
PLUS having a coldfire powered A1500 will be very, very cool, and i'll bet it would be faster than WinUAE or even Amithlon on a high-spec PC.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kronos):
>V4e is not released yet
V4 does not have any floating point unit. Its Floating Point (emulation) benchmark result is worse than 68040 or 68060.
V4E CPU is NOT a stand alone product, only sold as "DESIGN" / "IP Cores" and cann't be bought as a REAL CHIP. MOTOROLA will NOT manufacture the CPU itself, but other companies have to buy the license and manufacture the CPU. V5, V5E will follow the same policy.
All V4E are manufactured as specific purpose "System On Chip" and NOT suitable for Amiga ColdFire project. The companies who manufacture the CPU are using it for "Internal Use Only" and will NOT sell it to other companies / party.
The "Amiga ColdFire" project is based on "impossible to find on the market" V4E CPU.
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Posted by Donovan Reeve on 18-Sep-2002 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Personally, I get a lot more excitement and enjoyment out of optimistic
people and their projects, even if they seem unlikely, than people who are
negative and allways only see the possible problems. Through the years
the oprimistic people have come up with many wonderfull things despite many
failures. All the negative people ever come up with is ulsers, constipation
and a bad taste in everyones mouth.
Keep working on your ColdFire project guys, and pay no attention to the
gutless, fruitless detracters. I hope you succeed brilliantly.
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
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Posted by Rodney McDonell on 19-Sep-2002 06:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Im interesting in getting an Classic Amiga, to "toy" around with and possibly hook up to a network (when i have one[a network that is :)]). The thing about this project is, that they main aim is to move on from an accelerator card to a fully blown system. Or at least thats what has been discused!!
Have plans changed?
A full machine i would really love. A full machine with PCI/AGP and a ColdFire CPU... And all backwards compatible to your favourite applictions, how cool! :)
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Posted by Oliver Hannaford-Day on 19-Sep-2002 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Hi,
>V4 does not have any floating point unit.
>Its Floating Point (emulation) benchmark result is worse than 68040 or 68060.
The first bit of that is correct, the V4 has no FPU but as most software is available in a none FPU version it shouldnt be to big a problem.
As for the emulation, Well thet FPU isnt emulated so god knows where you got your bench marks from. :p
>V4E CPU is NOT a stand alone product, only sold as "DESIGN" / "IP Cores
Correct, but we are not using the V4e so whats your point?
On a side note are you Ti_Dak? I wouldnt think there are two people with your strange views...
>MOTOROLA will NOT manufacture the CPU itself
That isnt exactly what Motorola say, They say they wont make a V4e without the added features normally found in the E range of CPU`s and that they will build the V4e core into other chips, they just havnt yet.
>V5, V5E will follow the same policy.
Wrong, Only the E range,
For people that are reading this wondering whats going on I will explain...
The "e" means the CPU has something built in, The V2e and V3e had USB and ethernet but with the V4e they left it up to the developers, You would buy a licence for the design for the V4e and then be able to add your own upgrades, The V4 and most probably the V5 will be sold as a single chip..
Motorola wont sell the V4e as a stand alone CPU because that would be a V4 which is already avaialble..
> All V4E are manufactured as specific purpose "System On Chip"
> and NOT suitable for Amiga ColdFire project.
Again, Half right, The V4e is designed for each specific purpose, You add what you want to the CPU core and then make the chip however that will not cause a problem to the Coldfire project because we are not using the V4e, We are using the V4, Latter (Much latter) we may want to update the card with a V4e but we will see then...
>The "Amiga ColdFire" project is based on "impossible to find on the market"
>V4E CPU.
No it isnt, Its based on the V4 which I have a rack of at home :)
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Posted by Oliver Hannaford-Day on 19-Sep-2002 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Rodney McDonell):
Hi,
-----------------------------------
The thing about this project is, that they main aim is to move on from an accelerator card to a fully blown system. Or at least thats what has been discused!!
Have plans changed?
-----------------------------------
Well firstly we have to finish the CPU upgrade, This is our first priority and the only thing that we are working on at the moment, Latter on after the card is launched and after some upgrades have been made (PCI, SCSI, etc) it would be an interesting project but the upgrade is what we are working on now...
> A full machine with PCI/AGP and a ColdFire CPU...
PCI is easy, The developer card I got from Motorola has PCI on board and its so simple to connect, AGP is not but you never know...
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Posted by pixie on 20-Sep-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Peter Gordon):
"PLUS having a coldfire powered A1500 will be very, very cool, and i'll bet it would be faster than WinUAE or even Amithlon on a high-spec PC."
On your dreams, Amithlon already achieves near to 800Mhz 060 speeds...
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 20-Sep-2002 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (pixie):
Yes, and I'm sure that figure was reached through highly scientific means, and not at all from someone firing up Amithlon after using an AGA A1200 with a Blizzard 1260 and thinking "bugger me thats fast! That must be... oooh.. like.. an 800Mhz 68060 or something!" ;)
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Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Peter Gordon):
I ran the Petunia benchmarks (or most of them), the Imagine test
project, and Audio Evolution.
Overall, they give a figure of roughly a 700MHz 68040 on my Amithlon
machine, which has an Athlon 1700 CPU.
Of course the results from various tests cover a range, but who cares
about exact figures? You don't notice a 50% speed increase, but you do
notice a doubling, and you certainly notice a 10x speedup, especially
when the two computers are side by side.
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Posted by pixie on 20-Sep-2002 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Peter Gordon):
BTW, even thought I didn't saw Amithlon Working, I do own a blizzard 060 with PPC, and use WinUAE wich has already a pretty decent speed, I can only assume the Amithlon to be twice fast and more responsive, so this isn't the case...
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Posted by Rafo on 21-Sep-2002 03:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (pixie):
yeah, sure. And it runs my HDD @ 200MB/sec...
...Sysspeed rulez ! ;)
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 21-Sep-2002 14:55 GMT
Well, Amithlon runs at least 8 times as fast
as my 68060 50Mhz on a 1Ghz Athlon based
system and the gfx refresh and hd speed are
tremendous, so no worries there. ;) However
a coldfire accelerator would be a cool option
to expand actual Amiga hardware if it was
available for a reasonable price. My testing
is based on rendering speeds in imagine...
I would love a coldfire in my Toaster/Flyer
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