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Posted on 22-Sep-2002 16:55 GMT by 120 comments
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News mentioned on the event (complements the other show report below) From www.amiga.org:

PPCBoot by Hyperion is finished and handed out to existing (35-40 or so) betatesters - seen working for the first time on the event (I saw an ATI Radeon start screen among others...)

With this done, the rest of the developerboards (a couple of hundred) can now be shipped to developers. Allow some two weeks to make sure the betatesters don't find any obvious problems.

PPCboot apparantly contains some pretty nifty features by the Frieden brothers (but I leave that report to those there with better technical knowledge (and memory!) than me). PPCBoot was made due to an outside (in the meaning 'outside Amiga market') contract, creating some nice revenue for Hyperion.

Apart from the boot process being cumbersome (since PPCBoot didn't exist), according to Alan no AOne hardware problems whatsoever have been reported by the betatesters since may this year.

Alan Redhouse presented the AOne XE with replacable CPU and gave some very interesting numbers (which I leave to him to put on the web - he didn't want us to quote him on those). This card looks very promising anyways.

Due to plenty of requests from Amigans, Eyetech have changed their minds and will sell the AOne G3-SE before AOS4 is available - but as such including the licence to later get the OS (after all it wouldn't be an AOne without the OS and the ROM). The G3-SE will hopefully ship before christmas, and the -XE slightly after christmas. AOS4 for CyberstormPPC will come about around the same time, followed by the version for AOne probably after christmas (it should be noted that this was Alan's approximations - as I recall them - and not anything official from Hyperion).

AOS4 was presented by Gunne Steen of GGS-Data. He received a beta version from Hyperion for this particular presentation. It ran on his Cyberstorm PPC and he loaded modules on top of his OS3.9 installation, such as Intuition.library (giving new menus and configurability) and layers.library. He also showed some special effects modules like one that clipped all windows/pointers/graphics when they moved within an inch of the edge of the screen (perhaps not that useful, but interesting as an example of what's possible) All windows can be iconified and placed on the WB desktop. The Media Toolbox does indeed seem to be a very powerful program.

According to Stefan Burström, who was at the show, MUI will be included in OS4, but initially locked in a configuration that matches the look of Reaction. If you have a keyfile it will be changeable as usual of course.

Stefan Burström held a little (improvised) speech on IBrowse 2.3. This version is (as we knew) mainly a bugfix for everything that was wrong in 2.2 and is as such a vast improvement. However new features such as CSS will not be implemented until IBrowse 3.0, which is going to be PPC native. IB2.3 is free for registered users of 2.2.

There were plenty of people on the event. According to one of the people arranging the show, they calclulated some 200 amigans showing up for the few hours the event took place. There were people of every age, race, nationality and gender there, and generally a nice atmopsphere (albeit somewhat crowded..) Thanks to the enthusiasts arranging this, you did a darn good job!

News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 1 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Sep-2002 15:31 GMT
something interesting from the Amiga.Org thread :
"The 'outside revenue' I wrote about is coming from MAI logic (as pointed out by Ole-Egil Hwitmyren) for having Hyperion create the firmware bootROM for their boards. It apparently cointain a very clever x86 emulator to be able to initialize boards with only linux x86 drivers."
That should shut the traps of those that said hyperion were only good for game ports ;).
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 2 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 22-Sep-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
I wrote that. And whereas it does contain a x86 emulator I'm actually not fully certain if this really means what I wrote about Linux drivers as I didn't fully comprehend it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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SlimJim
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 3 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Sep-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
It's an emulator which executes the x86 Bios of the graphic card.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 4 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 22-Sep-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ok.
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SlimJim
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 5 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Sep-2002 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Does this provide any bonus' to OS4?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 6 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 22-Sep-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (cOrpse):
Cheaper graphics cards, because we can use the PC version instead of having to buy the rarer and significantly more expensive PPC (ie Mac) one.
OK, Parhelia fans in the blue corner, All-in-wonder wonderboys in the red. Now, I'd like a nice clean fight with no slanging, no ad hominems and some decent spelling ;)
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 7 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 22-Sep-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (anarchic_teapot):
Well someone has still to write the drivers !
Radeon are being done be Forefront, but I haven't any status report from them till now.
Paranoi ? Who's gone do those, and when ? Also when will the 3D-drivers be made ?
Oh btw the A1/Teron is offcourse NOT the 1st PPC-mobo that can use x86-GFX-cards
(ATI&SIS in the other case) ;)
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 8 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Sep-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (anarchic_teapot):
I'm using my Voodoo (V5PCI 64meg) until dies , Simply the best card i've had .. not the fastest ( i've tried gforce2/3 etc ) but rock solid :) ... Thats if I get an AmigaOne , I'm holding out for a blizzard version cause i'm skint :(
/cOrpse
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 9 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Sep-2002 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kronos):
"Well someone has still to write the drivers !"
And who said otherwise ?
"Oh btw the A1/Teron is offcourse NOT the 1st PPC-mobo that can use x86-GFX-cards
(ATI&SIS in the other case) ;)"
Oh btw who cares ?! Stop knitpicking and get a bloody life.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 10 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by hehe on 22-Sep-2002 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cOrpse):
jaja, hype & partners are always behind, always second, employing second grade coders and in general using second grade softwares where they were lucky enough to control those sheep.
sad isn't it?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 11 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 22-Sep-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (hehe):
I love when people make intelligent comments.
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SlimJim
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 12 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 22-Sep-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (SlimJim):
...and yes, that was irony.
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SlimJim
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 13 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by José on 22-Sep-2002 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (anarchic_teapot):
Maybe dumb question but here goes: Won't those X86 cards be less performant?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 14 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Sep-2002 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (José):
Nope, it's just to use the vesa modes with the driver in the bios of the card.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 15 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 22-Sep-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The BIOS routines in a graphics card only do things like changing video modes, setting palette registers, page flipping, etc. Actual drawing is supposed to be done by the application (graphics.library in the Amiga's case). The idea is that all the weird register access stuff is done by the BIOS, and all the app has to do is to write bytes into a chunk of memory (the screen buffer). The original VGA is standardised, but everything that came after does not conform, hardware-wise, to any standard - that's why you need different drivers for different cards. It's quite neat that they wrote an x86 emulator into the bios, just to call int 10h functions on the graphics card. Makes driver writers' work a *lot* easier. The downside is that VESA does not do any advanced stuff (blitter, transparency), and no card I know of has VBE/AF in ROM, so that's where driver writers will earn their keep :)
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 16 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 22-Sep-2002 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (CodeSmith):
stupid question coming up:
Does this mean that almost every standard vesa compatible card, will work for the bios and early startup menu of the A1.
And, will there be a standard vesa/2.0/3.0 driver for OS4, so that most cards would work as a simple framebuffer device, until a driver is written.
would make it alot easier to develop drivers :-)
LB
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 17 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 22-Sep-2002 20:04 GMT
I just want to thank the organizers & Gunne Steen for a very good presentation of the A1.
Ole Egil, Justin and Alan Redhouse also held some very good speaches which answered a lot of the questions I have had been speculating on lately. Thanks to all the people who made this show such a succes.
I drove to Gothenborg, from Denmark with a friend, when we came we found out there where atleast 5 other Danes present, really nice to meet you guys:-)
The show was very well visited...I guess the wasn't room for more people as we where standing/sitting really close togheter. Seems like the organizers didn't expect that many people;-)
We stayed in Gothenborg for the night (to see the Morphos presentation next day) went out to get some beers in the evening...That was an expensive experience:-) Beers on only 3.5% and at a price thats 3x higher than in Denmark...Shock!!! ...Used quite a lot of money that evening/night, but it was great fun and the swedish girls are really really nice;0)
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 18 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 22-Sep-2002 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Troels Ersking):
Just wanted to add, that even though we stayed to see the Morphos/pegasos presentation we skipped it and drove home as soon as we had made the first Morphos machine CRASH!
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 19 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 22-Sep-2002 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Troels Ersking):
How was the MOS/Pegasos presentation? Had to leave for Lund directly after the AOne show so I missed it.
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SlimJim
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 20 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Troels E):
I am sure you will do the same in the when OS4 (oh sorry WB3.9!) crash.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 21 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2002 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Sensational work!
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 22 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2002 22:03 GMT
>Alan Redhouse presented the AOne XE with replacable CPU and gave some very interesting numbers
>(which I leave to him to put on the web - he didn't want us to quote him on those).
What numbers, MHz numbers? Price numbers? CPU numbers?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 23 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 22-Sep-2002 22:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Lasse Bodilsen):
I'm afraid I don't know - I'm not involved in any development efforts, so all my knowledge comes from working on x86 systems and extrapolating from what information does get disseminated by Eyetech and Hyperion. As for your questions, *in theory* that should work, but there's a company called Scitech Software (www.scitechsoft.com if you're curious) that stays in business because not all VESA BIOSes are created equal ;)
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 24 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 23-Sep-2002 03:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
"What numbers, MHz numbers? Price numbers? CPU numbers?"
The socketed model was shown with the same cpu as the A1-G3. Alan did speak about some G4 models (a version meant for industrial usage) which he said might not cost much more than the G3 model, no mhz number mentioned even though I did ask him:-)
I think we should be more than happy just to get a G4, seems like it aint easy to get hold off...Just like expected.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 25 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Sep-2002 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Troels E):
Actually, the socketed cpu in the XE was a 750FX, NOT the same as in the SE.
Oh, and the point of having emulator in the firmware is so you can use cheap x86-only cards and still get output from the firmware and the bootloader. And Linux doesn't need ANY special setup in the drivers for the cards, then. Because the problem with Linux and console drivers (and even XFree in some instances) is that they need to have the card initialized. Not in any special mode, but some cards are SO far from being in the right setting for even a text screen to work on them and have SO little documentation you would hardly believe it. Pop a PC version voodoo 3 into a pegasos and try booting linux from it with no special patching of the driver ;-)
Now pop the same card into an Amigaone ;-)
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 26 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Sep-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ole-Egil):
So, just to get this clear, just about any graphics card you stick in
will give some kind of display, at least 640x480 8 bit?
Is that right?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 27 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Sep-2002 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Don Cox):
Yes.
Both AGP and PCI.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 28 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 23-Sep-2002 06:40 GMT
@Olegil:
Do you know if the XE will support DDR RAM? If not, a G4 plugged into it will be a bit crippled, since it won't be able to access memory as fast as it can. All in all, I think I'm going to stick with the SE and trade it in about 2 1/2 years from now for whatever the latest model is...
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 29 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Sep-2002 06:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (CodeSmith):
The XE is EXCACTLY the same as the SE except for the CPU module.
And G4 processors don't support DDR. They can't go above 133MHz bus anyway.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 30 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 23-Sep-2002 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (SlimJim):
Well, it was interresting as well in my point of view. Of course it was not likely well visited as the Saturday event because
it was the 'day after'. But as well as showing MorphOS and the speed of the Pegasos, Thierry also talked about Thendic and
works behind etc. And also a very interresting part was that Samuel Rydh from Ibrium http://www.ibrium.se did a quick install
of Mac on Linux and MacOS on one Pegasos-computer and showed that MacOS works very fine and quick on the Pegasos. He also
talked and informed about works behind Mac on Linux. Sorry, that he didn't get as much attraction as possible for this, because
he was the last person who did any presentation on these two days. But I'm sure he will come back next time, for meeting more people then.
I think reports and pictures will follow forward from both events and both days, as well as audio and movies, so keep an
eye on the sites.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 31 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 23-Sep-2002 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Gunne Steen):
Sounds interesting. Thanks for a nicely conducted event, Gunne et al!
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 32 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 23-Sep-2002 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
can't help it, i just have to say.
Thats bloody brilliant!!!
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 33 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 23-Sep-2002 09:49 GMT
We now have a problem:
Should we buy the se and take advantage of the trade in a few weeks later or wait and get the xe.
It looks like xe and os4 will be ready at the same time.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 34 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 23-Sep-2002 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (John Block):
I have had the same thought
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 35 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Sep-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Gunne Steen):
Hmmm... Would've been more fun if they demonstrated Mac-On-Linux on the A1 instead some strange non-Amiga hardware. :-P
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 36 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 23-Sep-2002 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (samface):
Personally I have a thing about showing a system which breaches the EULA of something. Ok, so we did show UAE, but Amiga Inc has not given any complaints about that. There HAS been a few comments both here and other places about Thendic showing MacOS running on Linux as a commercial selling point. I don't like that way of attracting attention, and I'm very surprised you do.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 37 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Sep-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ole-Egil):
"Now pop the same card into an Amigaone ;-)"
But I can't *buy* an AmigaOne, and many people (other than you) who've been trying since March still don't have one.
Anyway, since PPCBoot is GPL'd it will benefit everyone using PPC boards, not just AmigaOne users, right ?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 38 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveMcK on 23-Sep-2002 12:56 GMT
Hi all,
Does anyone know if the A1 will be able to utilise the NVidia Geforce 3? I have an old one I'd like to use in it.
Just wondering.
Dave.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 39 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by NoBeForMe on 23-Sep-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ole-Egil):
Oh yeah, forgot to ask this earlier. Ole, did you actually receive the new PPCBoot based firmware at this time? I mean, is your A1 developer board now using the modified PPCBoot ? If so did they just give you a new ROM or something (sorry, too tired to look at board diagrams and see if it's socketed) or did you have to flash a file from a CDR or something they gave you?
PS Sorry if I'm prying but I want to establish how "finished" this firmware is
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 40 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 23-Sep-2002 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (NoBeForMe):
I saw Ole-Egil physically remove/insert the new BootROM in its socket, so it's a piece of new harware.
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SlimJim
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 41 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by NoBeForMe on 23-Sep-2002 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (SlimJim):
Neat, do you know (or can Ole answer) whether he also got a CD or floppy or something containing the source code for the firmware?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 42 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Sep-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (samface):
Hmm, why can't you stop posting pointless stuff just to stir the water?
Remember that the only Amiga thing in the "Amiga Hardware" you mentioned
is the name.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 43 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 23-Sep-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (samface):
Actually, after Ole-Egil pointed it out for me, I read the eula a little, and you are not allowed to run Mac OS on a non-mac computer.
So running mac on linux on A1 or Pegasos would mean a breach of apple's EULA.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 44 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 23-Sep-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ole-Egil):
Well, according to http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ G4 powermacs benefit from DDR memory. I fully admit I'm not an expert in PPC, but isn't this something both the CPU and chipset need to support?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 45 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Sep-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
"But I can't *buy* an AmigaOne, and many people (other than you) who've been trying since March still don't have one."
I'm really starting to get fed up with such arguments. Sure, Amiga Inc. have had their delays and broken promises but then, how long have the MorphOS fanatics been waiting again? Since 1997 AFAIK. That means you guys are three years ahead of our game and can still not yet *buy* MorphOS or the Pegasos (the Betatester doesn't count as you didn't count the A1 developers boards which was released before the Betatesters, now did you?).
The same arguments were used by some lame norwegian guy at AmiGBG which had a very suitable sweater with the words: "Walking silly on purpose" on it. Was that you?
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 46 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 23-Sep-2002 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ole-Egil):
Hi Ole-Egil, again :-)
Just would like to point out, that it was I who invited Samuel. Did this because I did read his site, and that he was
interrested in visiting us for the show, and of course also because that I for myself was little interrested in seing
him showing and speaking little about this.
To Samface, comment 25;
I invited Samuel for eventually showing Mac on Linux on the Sunday event, because that he said to me he was interrested
to come for the Sunday. I didn't announce this beforehand, because that I not was sure that we should have a machine
running Linux, but Thierry was kind enough to bring a harddrive with him with a linux-installation.
Likewise I not for exampel, for the Saturday event, didn't announce beforehand that we should show a pre-release of Ibrowse
2.3 and that David and Stefan Burström should come for the event.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 47 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Sep-2002 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (reflect):
Look up the A-Max court case where Apple was denied the right for their claim to restrict the usage of their OS on other hardware. EULA is dictated by the vendor and doesn't necessarily have to comply with the actual laws, you know.
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 48 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 23-Sep-2002 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (CodeSmith):
A lot of people does not know that the cpu is not connected directly to memory. But to a north bridge chip that acts as a gateway between the different parts of a modern motherboard. It is not only the cpu that use the memory but also AGP transfers, peripheral DMA, PCI stuff and other I/O related modules. Thus the faster the memory gets, the less it will be saturated by requests from different parts over the north bridge. In other words, yes DDR memory helps even if the CPU alone cannot saturate it.
/Björn
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 49 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 23-Sep-2002 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Björn Hagström):
Addition: Ie. you will get a faster system even if only the chipset supports DDR while the CPU does not. If the chipset does not support it then you'll naturally won't benefit from it at all.
/Björn
News from AmiGbg Fall event (from Amga.org) : Comment 50 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 23-Sep-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
oooh sour grapes.
I can see Apple having a problem with people running their OS on what is basically PC-Like ( e.g. cheap , easily upgradeable etc )hardware , I can also see apple getting very pissed off if these people start :
A. Abusing update CD's to install a full macOS for FREE.
B. Installing macOS from a mates CD.
And don't say i'm talking crap ... Shapeshifter/fusion macOS hardfiles are easily available but that doesn't really worry apple as its old hat.
What does this all mean ? Well Apple get very shitty and start taking out punishments for abusing their EULA and punishments for those that advocate such actions.
Being able to run macOS should be left as a secret *illegal* feature ... just like copying your mates CD's with your CD burner.
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