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Posted on 26-Sep-2002 12:39 GMT by A.Scott Pringle47 comments
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an update to the Thylacine USB software is available from the Thylacine website.
http://thylacine.boing.net in DMS or LHA.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 1 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 26-Sep-2002 12:28 GMT
The Developer part of Thylacine Guide says: " If you wish to write drivers for the AmigaOS4 USB Stack, the developer documentation and example sources are included on this disk."
So the USB Stack from Thylacine is the same as in OS 4???
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 2 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 26-Sep-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Bladerunner):
Yep !!
And that has been said on Amiga-News the day the card was annouced.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 3 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 26-Sep-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Bladerunner):
So OS4 has no own USB stack? Like it has no own tcp stack, no own ffs, no own hdprep tool, no own graphics subsystem..
All these things are bought in from 3rd party developers (now, look what it means if benny says we have 30+ developers)
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 4 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by GMKai on 26-Sep-2002 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anon):
would you like to reinvent the wheel again and again?
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 5 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by yoodoo on 26-Sep-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anon):
A lot of MS stuff originated in third party software. Of course MS has the money to buy the whole originating company, rather than just license bits.
With the size of the Amiga base at the moment, it is ridiculous to not bring together as much quality software as possible without wasting effort in duplication.
If on the other hand, you'd like to fund a development team to produce the whole OS in one go in one place and at one time, I bet Amiga inc won't reject your millions...
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 6 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 26-Sep-2002 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (yoodoo):
Others have done it rather successfully and are about to launch their product to the "masses", so I guess they must be millionairs.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 7 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 26-Sep-2002 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (anon):
If you mean who I think you do ... they're also using 3rd party software so they're just as bad as the others if using tried and tested solutions is a bad thing.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 8 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 26-Sep-2002 17:43 GMT
from the forum on their website :
"The software supplied will be the OS4 USB stack. This will be a
single executable in your c: which is started at boot time.
Drivers are placed in DEVS:
2 type of drivers, self-starting and autostarting.
autostarting drivers are started automatically when the
stack detects it attached. examples are the hub driver, mouse,
and keyboard.
self-starting drivers are usbprinter.device, usbscanner.device,
usbethernet.device, where you'll be able to specify in the appropriate
software package.
There is nothing visible when you boot up 8-(
other than the fact that you can use USB devices
in the appropriate applications. There is no GUI.
Installation is easy, just click on install script."
so if you have usb mouse/keyboard, how will these be available in the early
startup menu ?
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 9 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Sep-2002 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anon):
Arexx was third pary, Crossdos was third party, speech was third party, just to name a few of elements in past Amiga OS releases. This is pretty common in any OS period. I don't know why people are starting whine about this issue in Amiga OS4.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 10 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Sep-2002 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
3rd parties contracting is used a lot in SW development but can lead to problems. For example:
- If AREXX would have been bought we would have a full PPC port in OS4.
- If you want to go opensource, having parts of your OS by third parties is a problem.
Of course replacement solutions can be found but it is still a pain in the neck.
I think that some important elements (the RTG system for example) have to be own by the OS developper. It would be dramatic if the 3rd party doing such elements stop the development for any reasons.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 11 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Hill on 26-Sep-2002 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Christophe Decanini):
>3rd parties contracting is used a lot in SW development but can lead to problems.
>For example:
>
>- If AREXX would have been bought we would have a full PPC port in OS4.
Agreed, but the Regina (GPL) is an excelent REXX interpreter.
>I think that some important elements (the RTG system for example) have to be
>own by the OS developper.
I fully agree! WHY on earth should CGFX/Pic96 be needed for OS4? Of course,
OS4 should emulate the CGFX API (no one ever used the Pic96 API :-)
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 12 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Hill on 26-Sep-2002 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (catohagen):
>so if you have usb mouse/keyboard, how will these be available in the early
startup menu ?
Why would you need to see the mouse/keyboard in the early startup menu? If it
doesn't work UNPLUG IT!
Personally I haven't seen the early startup menu in years (or in fact any AGA
screen).
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 13 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 26-Sep-2002 22:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (catohagen):
OpenFirmware (for the AmigaOne, etc) will have its own drivers for USB, at least basic USB like keyboards and mice.
Dunno about Amiga hardware running OS4 though...
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 14 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 27-Sep-2002 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (catohagen):
"so if you have usb mouse/keyboard, how will these be available in the early
startup menu ?"
On classic amiga:
not at all
On AmigaOne or similar:
By using the limited USB support of ppcboot
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 15 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 27-Sep-2002 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Graham):
Uhm, the AmigaOne doesn't do OpenFirmware. It does PPCBoot instead.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 16 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 27-Sep-2002 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (anon):
You mean the "others" that have taken Apple's discarded Rave API and have produced a wrapper for Warp3D?
The ones that will include FFS2 as well as SFS?
And also wanted Roadshow (but didn't get it)?
And licensed MUI?
And have their USB stack and RTG system available also for 68K based Amiga's as an OEM product?
Seems those others are not reinventing the wheel either if you ask me.
Let's face it people: the Amiga development community has become quite small and there are already people out there with products and a proven track-record.
It would be absolute idiocy to disregard their efforts and instead develop an alternative solution which would take more time, cost more and would not necessarily be better.
The key to making this work is secure license-agreements with access to the source-code.
Even if Commodore would have bought Arexx rather than license it, it would have made no difference as the code is entirely in 68K ASM and would need to have been rewritten in C anyway to produce a PPC native replacement.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 17 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 27-Sep-2002 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thank you for the free MorphOS advertisment.
Hum, you don't have ARexx rights and source and you are making a clone of it?
How do you know ARexx was created in 68k asm ? Have you decompiled it?
Anyway, as you said yourself in the past:
"In any case, cloning an API is a legally dubious activity"
Good luck now.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 18 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Sep-2002 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Well ben, look at it this way: They know their stuff inside out. They have created their own OS that acts like AmigaOS(TM) (it's even possible to run existing amiga apps on it). You employ just some (insert number that is smaller that 4 here) baldy guys that are good at porting. You buy in apps from others, do exclusive contracts and then you do developercount++ and brag about it on every public board and mailing list you can find.
But ben, do you really think they would have come so far if they were just good at porting?
I have massive respect and much of faith for these guys because they have created everything from the ground up.
Oh and about OEM stuff ben..
P96 uses the CGX API, right? P96 is shareware, right? CGXV3, Freeware (big difference here, ben).
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 19 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 27-Sep-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Nicolas Sallin):
"How do you know ARexx was created in 68k asm ? Have you decompiled it?
Anyway, as you said yourself in the past: "
From the ARexx manual:
"ARexx was developed on an Amiga 1000 computer with 512k bytes of
memory and two floppy disk drives. The language prototype was
developed in C using Lattice C, and the production version was written
in assembly-language using the Metacomco assembler. The documentation
was created usiing the TxEd editor, and was set in TEX using AmigaTEX.
This is a 100% Amiga product."
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 20 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 27-Sep-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Now here's a jaw-dislocating irony :
"It would be absolute idiocy to disregard their efforts and instead develop an alternative solution which would take more
time, cost more and would not necessarily be better."
Can you explain why this argument didn't apply to MorphOS-as-OS4?
Unbelievable.
To be fair, that question is more properly directed at Amiga Inc. - but then, it was, repeatedly - and here we are...
Gregg
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 21 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 27-Sep-2002 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Don Cox):
Damn, I haven't that in my manual.
Thank you for the info.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 22 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/hyperion on 27-Sep-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Gregg):
Simple.
Amiga Inc and bPlan failed to reach agreement.
Main stumbling block was the fact that the MorphOS team (or should I say Ralph Schmidt) refused to split the software development off from the hardware development.
Amiga did not have any faith in the fact that software developers who have a financial stake in one hardware producer would provide non-discriminatory software support of the same quality to rival hardware producers (Eyetech, Elbox, whoever else).
In essence, competing hardware producers would have been at the mercy of a rival company to get software support for their products.
This could never have worked.
And that's just one of the issues they failed to reach agreement on.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 23 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 27-Sep-2002 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
>Well ben, look at it this way: They know their stuff inside out. They have >created their own OS that acts like AmigaOS(TM) (it's even possible to run >existing amiga apps on it).
Wow! I do believe that you can existing Amiga apps on UAE, AmigaXL, Amithlon, Amiga Forever etc.
This line about game porting is getting very old.
We've completely rewritten Exec in C and improved upon it in numerous ways.
If you think you can do that without knowing the system inside out, think again.
We've also written the AmigaOne Bios which requires detailed and intimate knowledge of the hardware on the very lowest level.
Others need to buy in their Bios.
And finally, we've got people like Olaf Barthel and Heinz Wrobel behind us who have forgotten more about the AmigaOS than anybody ever knew.
No, I think we know what we are doing.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 24 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Sep-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Yes ben, Sure ben. Before you start your ranting, better inform yourself what these emulators and MOS is about. Else you can also add your os4 to that list.
Anyway, it's very hard for me to have faith in a project that involves ego-driven people like you.
The only thing you are good at seems to be to act amateurish and spread FUD wherever possible. But that's your character i guess
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 25 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by hullabaloo on 27-Sep-2002 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>And finally, we've got people like Olaf Barthel and Heinz Wrobel behind us
>who have forgotten more about the AmigaOS than anybody ever knew.
How is that possible?
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 26 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Sep-2002 18:54 GMT
Why am I hearing losers flaming something THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN??
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 27 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 27-Sep-2002 19:51 GMT
why did this turn into a mos vs os4 thread ? can't you mos'ers
go mental in your own site, ...mos-news.org or whatever.....
I think most people here at ann knows you have no belive/faith in OS4 and
the rest of your opinions, get a life or get laid....you repeat the same ramblings
over and over and over again....i think most people knows it by now...
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 28 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 27-Sep-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Dear Ben Hermans,
I'm really glad to see that belgians are still very very good to make jokes :) Well done! It's really funny ;-)
Thanks to have make me laugh ;-)
Regards
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 29 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 27-Sep-2002 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (catohagen):
I won't reply... I won't reply...
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 30 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by A.Scott Pringle on 27-Sep-2002 23:57 GMT
I fail to see what the majority of this has to do with a thylacine software update.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 31 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Freddy on 28-Sep-2002 03:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (A.Scott Pringle):
Well you can thank Anon and Nicolas Sallin for ruining this thread.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 32 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-Sep-2002 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Frodon):
Dear Bertrand,
Glad to have been of service!
I'm just returning the favor because your boss and his underlings are also a source of constant amusement for me even when they don't sneak drunkily into the office in the middle of the night.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 33 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Sep-2002 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Hermans/hyperion):
You mean like you are involved into MAIs TeronCX (aka AmigaOhne) by writing(adapting) the BIOS ?
( Others bought theirs while you took one for free ... great difference )
Could this be the reason why you leave no opportunity to slag down the Pegasos ? Or are you
just afraid of their OS ?
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 34 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-Sep-2002 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Kronos):
>Could this be the reason why you leave no opportunity to slag down the Pegasos ?
In another thread you disputed spreading FUD, Kronos but now you are caught in the act redhandedly.
Please find ANY post or statement by me wherein I "slag down" the Pegasos.
This would be complete insanity because the AmigaOne and Pegasos are virtually identical hardware platforms.
The only differences are minimal: the A1 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot, the Pegasos has 3 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot and an additional Firewire port.
Other than that these boards are identical in specification except size.
The reason why the AmigaOne firmware is based on PPCBoot rather than Openfirmware is because it allows us to support more graphics cards and the firmware is open-source which allows us and anybody else for that matter to correct any firmware issues that might arise in the future.
With a proprietary solution this would not be the case.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 35 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-Sep-2002 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Kronos):
>You mean like you are involved into MAIs TeronCX (aka AmigaOhne) by writing(adapting) the BIOS ?
I'm sure you understand that there is a huge difference between an open-source firmware that anybody can inspect, download, adapt and recompile and a closed-source proprietary solution such as MorphOS.
Anybody can adapt PPCBoot for whatever PPC hardware platform they want without any intervention from Hyperion or anybody else.
Can anybody do the same for the MorphOS kernel?
I think not as this would constitute a copyright infringement (to the extent that this would even be feasible).
Try to engage your brain from time to time.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 36 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 28-Sep-2002 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hello,
"Anybody can adapt PPCBoot for whatever PPC hardware platform they want without any intervention from Hyperion or anybody else.
Can anybody do the same for the MorphOS kernel?"
???
What are you talking about? Do you mean that PPCBoot is used as the kernel for OS 4??? Or do you mean that ExecSG is open source???
I think that there is a difference between a kernel and a firmware, isn't it?
Regards
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 37 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Sep-2002 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hummm !!
Anybody can touch the code! I hope that virus producers don't have acces to this !
Let me dream : Someone update is firmware and doom is A1 coz of an firmaware virus (ask PC user, bios virus alrady existe). Do you will said to this guy is it a good thing to acces to firmware ?
I hope that your security guy work hard !
Bye
A french guy...
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 38 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Sep-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Seems you got your brain in your ....
Did I ever speak about PPCBoot and the way it could be adaopt to different HW ?
But is that enough to get OS4 onto a different HW ? Or is the A1 still the only
supported HW ? It was 100% clear that bPlan would never sign that licence, and
even Elbox seems to perform a rain-dance to avoid.
The result of this is ? Yeap OS4 will only on one piece of HW, and suprise suprise
you are involved into that piece of HW !!
http://amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?item_id=1062&comment_id=7576&mode=thread&order=0#7576
Could you please comment on this ?
Cause the way I read it it won't be possible to change the A1-BIOS without destroying it's main
purpose (running your OS that is), and I don't see how that would fit in with the principles of
the GPL.
Yes, I know a good laywer could probraly wiggle himself out of this, but I think the GPL and the
authors who write GPLed SW deserve more respect.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 39 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Freedy on 29-Sep-2002 02:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Kronos):
Kronos... stirring shit as usual
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 40 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 29-Sep-2002 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kronos):
>Did I ever speak about PPCBoot and the way it could be adaopt to different HW ?
You compared the situation wherein bPlan would also be the provider of software (MorphOS) for competitive hardware platforms with our involvement in porting PPCBoot to the AmigaOne.
This comparison was seriously flawed.
>But is that enough to get OS4 onto a different HW ? Or is the A1 still the only
>supported HW ? It was 100% clear that bPlan would never sign that licence, and
>even Elbox seems to perform a rain-dance to avoid.
Two remarks:
1. It is not required for bPlan to enter into a license agreement with Amiga for OS 4, any DEALER can do so.
Once such an agreement has been reached, obviously Hyperion will take care of adapting OS 4 to the platform in question.
This is a non-discriminatory open licensing policy.
No preferential treatment will be given by Hyperion to any specific hardware platform as we have no financial stake in any hardware solution, only in the software solution.
This is fundamentally different from the solution proposed by bPlan whereby bPlan would provide both hardware and software.
2. Neither the SharkPPC nor the Pegasos are available for sale to end-users.
>Cause the way I read it it won't be possible to change the A1-BIOS without >destroying it's main purpose (running your OS that is), and I don't see how that >would fit in with the principles of the GPL.
Only official updates of the A1 firmware should be considered as "secure".
Do you really want people to incorporate malicious code into the firmware?
>Yes, I know a good laywer could probraly wiggle himself out of this, but I think >the GPL and the authors who write GPLed SW deserve more respect.
Believe me, you don't even need to be a good lawyer to do that.
Just read the GPL license and in particular this passage:
"In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage
or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License."
Whatever code we are incorporating into the A1 flashrom is totally unrelated to PPCBoot and therefore falls outside the scope of the GPL.
We will comply fully with the terms of the GPL license.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 41 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 29-Sep-2002 08:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Others need to buy in their Bios.
THAT was the point I was refering to, other bought their BIOS and adapted it,
and I don't see why this should be a plus for since you also used someone elses
work to base you one on.
And yes I do think that you have a (slight ?) preference for the A1 since you
wrote the BIOS, and got paid for this by the producer (maybe even per copy).
About the GPL:
The main point of the GPL is that every user can use and modify the SW, which is
impossible if the GPL-part is linked (not in the meaning lm/slink or so) to a part
he can't recreate. If both the GPL-part and the Hyperion-part are in one flash,
which can only be flashed as a whole, than this point is voided.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 42 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 29-Sep-2002 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kronos):
strike 2 ;-)
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 43 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 29-Sep-2002 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Kronos):
>>Others need to buy in their Bios.
>THAT was the point I was refering to, other bought their BIOS and adapted it,
>and I don't see why this should be a plus for since you also used someone elses
>work to base you one on.
I raised this issue to counter the nonsense spread by some that a bunch of "game porters" would never be able to deal with low-level coding.
Having successfully adapted and improved the PPCBoot firmware for the A1, this becomes a rather silly "argument".
>And yes I do think that you have a (slight ?) preference for the A1 since you
>wrote the BIOS, and got paid for this by the producer (maybe even per copy).
This claim is baseless. Moreover the compensation we get from MAI is a "lump sum" fee, not a per unit royalty.
That's not the way contract-work is carried out.
About the GPL:
>The main point of the GPL is that every user can use and modify the SW, which is
>impossible if the GPL-part is linked (not in the meaning lm/slink or so) to a >part he can't recreate. If both the GPL-part and the Hyperion-part are in one >flash, which can only be flashed as a whole, than this point is voided.
Your interpretation and wish-list with respect of the GPL is rather irrelevant in the light of the clear wording of the GPL license.
Any user can still use and modify PPCBoot.
If he does so, he will loose the ability to run non-GPL'ed proprietary software (ie OS 4) but will still be able to run GPL'ed software (ie Linux).
Our primary responsibility is towards the end-users who will thus be shielded against malicious code being incorporated into the flashrom.
Any user who wants to flash the rom with unofficial code will do so at the expense of loosing the ability to run AmigaOS (until it reflashes with an official firmware).
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 44 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 29-Sep-2002 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Kronos and Ben, please calm down.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 45 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by A.Scott Pringle on 29-Sep-2002 09:57 GMT
if anyone is still reading this thread for information on thylacine software updates, there has been a further update to version 1.1a.
please find it on the thylacine site.
After seeing what has happened to this thread in future we may use other means to announce updates, as this has become a vehicle for personal and business mudslinging and grandstanding. This could be expected of children but not of adults...people can we please keep our opinions and biases to ourselves and stay on topic.
</my 2 pacific pesos>
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 46 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 29-Sep-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I can assure you that I'm perfectly calm.
As long as the discussion is somewhat civilised (as was the cas here), I have no problem discussing some of the issues Stefan (Kronos) raised as they are bound to be raised at a later point anyway.
Some of this information about the A1 flashrom may actually be quite relevant for some users (security, GPL etc.).
This may not have been the most appropriate place to post this information but then again, at least the discussion remained informative and somewhat civilised which is more than can be said about many threads that I have seen lately.
Thylacine USB Software Update V1.1 : Comment 47 of 47ANN.lu
Posted by Rene W. Olsen on 29-Sep-2002 12:29 GMT
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