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[News] Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmwareANN.lu
Posted on 29-Sep-2002 18:55 GMT by xisp212 comments
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Hyperion is pleased to report that it has completed the AmigaOne firmware based on the GPL'ed PPCBoot project.

Source: AmigArt.

Leuven, Belgium - September 27, 2002.

Hyperion is pleased to report that it has completed the AmigaOne firmware based on the GPL'ed PPCBoot project. Below you will find a description of the implemented hardware support and functionality. We want to thank everyone who has contributed to this project.

Hardware support for the following devices:
-Serial port
-USB UHCI
-USB keyboard
-USB storage devices
-PS/2 compatible keyboard
-i8259 interrupt controller
-3com 3c920 ethernet with full busmastering
-VIA IDE controller (A and B revision)
-Real time clock (RTC)

Features of PPCBoot (as implemented by Hyperion):
-x86 BIOS emulator capable of initialising and using nearly all PCI and AGP graphic cards based on the chipsets of ATI, nVidia, 3DFX, S3, 3Dlabs (Permedia), Trident etc.
-Auto detection of SDRAM modules
-Auto detection of bus and CPU speed
-Support for PCI and AGP
-General ArtiticaS support
-General VIA686 southbridge support (686A and 686B)
-IDE support (harddisk and CD-ROM booting)
-Floppy support
-Booting over network"

Ben Hermans, Hyperion.

Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 101 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Fine. You do the same, and try to get something done instead of blowing the air around.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 102 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by L8-X on 30-Sep-2002 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hi Ben,
Great to hear of the latest progress, drooling like mad waiting for my A1&OS4.
Keep up the good work at hyperion!
L8-X
PS...Don`t let the nay-sayers get you down!
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 103 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Steffen Haeuser):
"In a normal legal system someone is innocent until proven guilty"
Very true.
Please could you point this out to those Hyperion members who sUPnP that MorphOS is illegally based on illegally obtained sources?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 104 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 07:38 GMT
Oh shut up you fuckwits.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 105 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by L8-X on 30-Sep-2002 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Anonymous):
Oh no here we go.......
This thread is now really boring.....instead of asking RELEVANT questions and gaining some info what do most (anon) ANN readers do? Throw muck around, accuse people of not knowing what they are doing when they obviously know even less about the subject than the people they accuse!
A note to the people running ANN....*REMOVE* the anon posting system PLEASE! you are encouraging all this fud and for me this is really getting annoying I will consider not coming here at all and just use AMIGA.ORG for my news.
L8-X
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 106 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 30-Sep-2002 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
well done you guys at Hyperion.
as for you Ben, you're very brave to continue replying
to these ignorant flame baiters..... i thought you said
you'd dropped out of the maillists etc to ignore them! 8-)
as for you other guys.... i think anyone who posts as
'anonymous' deserves to be ignored. either show yourself
and deserve to be answered, or be ready to be shunned...as
so many of the 'anonymous' posts should be
alan
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 107 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by doesn't matter on 30-Sep-2002 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (xisp):
Afaik AmigOS wasn't designed to be portable....
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 108 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 30-Sep-2002 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (doesn't matter):
Yes, in the time it was. It has of course evolved since then. 3.x (where x might be 5 or 9) has taken steps forward and AmigaOS 4 is designed to be as portable as possible. The direction is towards AmigaOS 5, if it's ever going to happen.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 109 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Sep-2002 08:14 GMT
I don't mind people wanting to be anonymous. Is not being able to separate them from each other in a thread that bothers me! It's bloody annoying when two-three "Anonymous":es starts replying to stuff in short succession.
.
SlimJim
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 110 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (alan buxey):
>i think anyone who posts as 'anonymous' deserves to be ignored
And I think anyone who posts as 'alan buxey" deserves to be ignored, too.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 111 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 30-Sep-2002 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
"True. I will not point out the possible problems for you. It's up to you to figure out why I won't do that. "
Tee hee. I can guess: it's because you still haven't worked out how to solve these problems for MOS?
(note to anyone who wants to pick up on this: it's a free jibe which the poster was asking for. Whether or nor it's true is probably irrelevant - what's obvious is the AC in question is ducking and wriggling to avoid putting himself on the spot)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 112 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Sep-2002 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Anonymous):
That's a very childish comment. Either you are being childish just for the fun of it - or you are just a very young person...
.
SlimJim
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 113 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Sep-2002 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (anarchic_teapot):
>[...] what's obvious is the AC in question is ducking and wriggling to avoid
> putting himself on the spot.
Yes that was my first thought too, and probably it's the right assumption. His little blurb to Ben Hermans does give raise to some interesting theories though...;-)
.
SlimJim
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 114 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Someone on 30-Sep-2002 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
> Right, so CPU exceptions are free now? (oh why do I bother...)
Because you just can't keep your mouth shut ?
Because you're the kind of troll that just has to post something, just for the sake of posting ?
Because you're clueless and just want to badmouth something ?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 115 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (SlimJim):
It's just a mirror for our complaining friend. In fact I don't think such a
patronizing manner is appropriate at all. If he doesn't like the usage-terms
of this board he is free to enlighten the world at other non-anonymous boards
with his much valued knowledge and personal opinion.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 116 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by ikezzz on 30-Sep-2002 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
Xman <<U know Sun is a red star..., HUH! U don't believe me. IGNORANT!!!!>>.
Er, that's the way u write mister. Just try to be more explicit and we will take some consideration about what u have said before.
U see, i'm not a programmer but i have some knowledge and i like when people debate AND argument with solid ones. U simply don't.
ikez
nb: as u can see, i'm not english writer. :))
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 117 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 30-Sep-2002 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
You don't seem to know what you are talking about. C is wery portable, ofcourse if you port something from one CPU to another you might have to do some changes (endian problems etc), but when software is coded with pure portable C-code whitout any embedded assembly-code etc then it really is not so big task to modify sourcecode and recompile it for another CPU. One of the main reasos why C is so popular is it's portability. It's not first time when people use development palatform with different CPU than what is in final destination platform.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 118 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 30-Sep-2002 09:09 GMT
Lets start our own hunting season. All shoot copuple of anymous guys it will make ANN a better place :)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 119 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 30-Sep-2002 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (miksuh):
couple of, argh
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 120 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
>Your ignorance is so evident I won't go into details. Have fun with yourself.
I'm having fun with you actually. You're a barrel of laughs, keep it up.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 121 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (miksuh):
Don't bother, he's a troll. Otherwise he would back his opinion up with SOMETHING instead of just slagging off everyone who disagrees. I doubt he's written a line of code in his life.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 122 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
> True. I will not point out the possible problems for you. It's up to you to figure out why I won't do that.
Ummm ... sure. Whatever. Tell that to those poor unix folks compiling same sources for different cpus. The shock, the horror!
> I bet the crowd will go wild now, and claim I don't have have a clue about this, but I am sure you know better than that.
This of course makes you absolutely credible. I bow to your magnificient greatness. How could i ever believe you're just a complete asshole looking to spread whatever idiocy you can?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 123 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 09:39 GMT
Funny. Earlier this year there was this guy called Turrican on ANN. He estimated that OS4 wouldn't be out until very late this year or early next year (with CSPPC version coming out first). He had some nice arguments. He was flamed for not knowing what he was talking about by many people here - this was at a time when OS4 was still supposed to be out in May...
Well, here we are almost in October and guess what, OS4 is still not available and the latest estimates seem to put Turrican's original "guess" pretty well on the mark. Even if they surprise us all and OS4 is out in October, it is still immensely late - even if compared to the original 4.2 release schedule to be fair in light of the feature set. Of course, MOS is late as well.
I'm not choosing any sides here. I'm just pointing out that valid concerns have been posted on ANN about schedules presented and progress made. People have been far to optimistic in the past and those who haven't sharen those illusions have been flamed for doing so. I think we should learn from that. Please, let the people ask the tough questions.
One of the greates mistakes in loosing trust and respect Amiga Inc. ever made was to pretend everything was going to plan and not giving the people the benefit of hearing the true story. They are paying the price now in their relations to the community. I'd hate for that to happen to the good people at Hyperion and Eyetech.
Mind you, I'm sure they are progressing on OS4 and that it will be out sooner or later, but I just think people are entitled to ask the tough questions when previous scheduleing estimates have so utterly failed. You can't ask them to take anything at face value any more, really...
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 124 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Anonymous):
> Funny. Earlier this year there was this guy called Turrican on ANN. He estimated that OS4 wouldn't be out until very late this year or early next year (with CSPPC version coming out first). He had some nice arguments. He was flamed for not knowing what he was talking about by many people here - this was at a time when OS4 was still supposed to be out in May...
Even wild guesses are sometimes true. However the best argument here was "i wont tell you why, figa it out yoself!". Anyway how often will i have to read that now? Every thread? Probably.
> I'm not choosing any sides here. I'm just pointing out that valid concerns have been posted on ANN about schedules presented and progress made. People have been far to optimistic in the past and those who haven't sharen those illusions have been flamed for doing so. I think we should learn from that. Please, let the people ask the tough questions.
Its easy to be pessimistic. Anyway, here obviously progress has been made and 'some' badmouth it just for the sake of it.
> Mind you, I'm sure they are progressing on OS4 and that it will be out sooner or later, but I just think people are entitled to ask the tough questions when previous scheduleing estimates have so utterly failed. You can't ask them to take anything at face value any more, really...
Which question was asked here and not answered? Note: repeated wild claims =//= questions.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 125 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by xisp on 30-Sep-2002 09:48 GMT
*Yawn*
I slept so well...
Now, let's see, Wohaa! this thread has grown a lot!.
I see...Mr Anonymous(IP:80.248.100.156) seems to have a lot of concern on the "PPC's not yet been tested" subject: He is bashing Mr Hermans a lot.
I can distinguish (between all this mess) a new revelation: I think Hyperion is testing a 68k native version of OS4. They will make the final recompile to PPC when the JIT emulator is integrated on it. Then the test on pure-PPC systems will begin. Mr Anonymous(IP:80.248.100.156) is right: This is somewhat risky. Unexpected bad things could happen when finally moving to PowerPC.
(This reminds me of antique Amiga computers history, when software in the Lorraine simulator was working fine, but in the hardware prototype didn't work as expected and there was a long delay because of this).
But, let's look at it from another point of view. What has made Hyperion? A whole new 68k AmigaOS that works fine. It is all written with portability in mind (especifically to PPC). Now they have to do the next move: Include a JIT emulator into exec and recompile the most important libraries to PPC.
It will surely not work at the first try. But...will take it so much long to make it work? People want OS4 TOMORROW. With all this in mind, I don't expect it before next year. January, perhaps February is a sensible date of release.
The point is, Anonymous(80.248.100.156) thinks it wont work at all. Is the most probable thing to happen? I don't think so.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 126 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by treke on 30-Sep-2002 09:55 GMT
Hmm... My 2 cents with example for "the unpersuadables" ;):
C/C++ is a higly portable language itself. Off course, on ground level, you cannot use for example: reinterpret_casts or integers, don't mention API calls and callbacks, etc, etc... The software must be written to be portable from the start.
We do it simple: The application logic is done by calling calls from module, which abstracts API calls. This module handles the creation of threads, processes, semapthores, and all the API base things (4 example there was a method for setting a memory block to be transfered - this was for endaan differencies). Then the application's "bussines logic" is written using this module. Then porting the application means porting this "abstract" module. That's one of our most trivial ways. Than you write an easy test program for that abstract module to test that module on every platform. When you've ported the abstract module you test it through and link it to your program.
I remember a software unit we built in 4 months for linux, using gcc. Then we needed to port it to Win32 and to HP UX. Win32 port (done with C++ Builder, very good for trasfer of code written in gcc ;-) )took 4 days with testing and HP UX port (gcc) took 2 days. With all tests specified in test descriptions and test reports. Not a big deal. You just have to know how to do it. And please, don't tell me it was a hello world ;) It was a component for a big air traffic control communication system, written on maturity level 3 I guess.
re
Treke
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 127 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (xisp):
> I can distinguish (between all this mess) a new revelation: I think Hyperion is testing a 68k native version of OS4. They will make the final recompile to PPC when the JIT emulator is integrated on it. Then the test on pure-PPC systems will begin. Mr Anonymous(IP:80.248.100.156) is right: This is somewhat risky. Unexpected bad things could happen when finally moving to PowerPC.
PPC is not exactly a new cpu, in fact its proved to be pretty reliable. The board is also working fine with linux. The software written in gcc(!) runs reliable under 680x0. Oh, and dont forget that PPC cards do exist in classic Amigas too. Add to that very good knowledge of software transfer between cpus and os's. Can unexpected things happen? Sure. Likely? Not at all.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 128 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 30-Sep-2002 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Anonymous):
"Can unexpected things happen? Sure. Likely? Not at all."
I wonder if you are really in a position to judge that. Your arguments have nothing to do with reality. In the real world, applications rely on a lot of assumptions that held on AmigaOS 3.1. Migrating the whole OS to a new architecture involves a lot of small (and occasionally bigger) traps that are not always possible to predict before you really try your implementation. Given the very bold attempt by Hyperion to do radical changes (at least that's what they have told us), they will also have to confront the cruel reality of amiga programs assuming things they didn't think of. This will take time. A lot of time.
In that respect, the difference compared to game development couldn't be greater. A game is more or less a self contained entity that doesn't rely too much on other components except for input/output. That's why they are easy to port and that's also why the line about Hyperion's experience in this area is valid one year after it was first put forward. Nothing has changed.
The sad thing is that I'm sure that even if there is no working os4 in 6 months from now, some people will continue to argue the same way they do now. Some people will never admit that they were wrong.
However, I think the most naive person of them all is mr Hermans. I'm starting to think that he actually believed in all his past deadlines and currently has faith in his current time estimates.
Friendly,
Nicholai
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 129 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Nicholai Benalal):
"However, I think the most naive person of them all is mr Hermans. I'm starting to think that he actually believed in all his past deadlines and currently has faith in his current time estimates.
Friendly, "
But not so friendly though. What you are talking about is syntax vs semantics and
this was always an issue going from major release to major release of kickstart/WB.
It will come out in the wash and be a matter of "patches" by the developers who
made assumptions. If the developer is not around ( more than likely ) then so
what, we need new applications anyway.
I think you are overly pessimistic on the technology but probably about right
on the project management side. But then, look at the opposition.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 130 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 30-Sep-2002 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Nicholai Benalal):
"The sad thing is that I'm sure that even if there is no working os4 in 6 months from now, some people will continue to argue the same way they do now. Some people will never admit that they were wrong."
this works both ways.....as is often seen in Amiga history...especially
with USENET.
people make a lot of noise...saying 'it can be done' or 'it cant be done'
whenever one camp is proved right, the other NEVER apologizes.
when AmigaOS 4.0 arrives, i'd like all those who said 'it wont happen' or
'it cant be developed like this' to post an open apology. maybe even put
names to their sad anonymous postings.
as for 'anonymous' - this system must be either scrapped, or ther must be
an option to turn these posts off when reading (like unmoderated news).
I cannot appreciate any background of technical knowledge or indeed or
any AMIGA knowledge or someone who is 'anonymous' - and therefore their
voice (and concerns and opnions) should not be so loud...or even existant!
now, when i see a post..and its from Ole-Egil, Ben Hermans, Ralph Schmidt
etc i immediately know the Calibre of knowledge or skillset.
think about it
alan
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 131 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 30-Sep-2002 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Anonymous):
"But not so friendly though. What you are talking about is syntax vs semantics and this was always an issue going from major release to major release of kickstart/WB."
Commodore always spent considerable energy testing their changes, trying to minimize the negative impact of their updates to the OS. My point is just that Hyperion hasn't even reached the point when they can do that.
Friendly,
Nicholai
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 132 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Sep-2002 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Nicholai Benalal):
Okay, I may be naieve but at least I'm not so naieve as to believe I'm going to be able to build a PDA around a PPC CPU :).
Let's put it this way: I firmly believe that whatever the MorphOS team has done, the OS 4 team can reproduce and surpass.
I have faith in people like the Friedens and the rest of Hyperion, Olaf Barthel, Thomas Richter, Jörg Strohmayer, Massimo Tantignone, Stephan Rupprecht, Stefan Robl, DEtlef Würkner, the P96 team etc. etc. (and apologies to all those OS 4 developers I have ommitted).
It's that simple.
These are top-notch developers who know the AmigaOS inside out and all have products to prove it and track-records to be proud of.
The notion that they are clueless about how to do OS development work is simply ridiculous.
It's quite tiring to hear all those stories through the grapevine about how Hyperion can't do this, Hyperion can't do that (can't boot on the AmigaOne, can't do low-level coding, can't find the "secret" bug in the Articia chipset, can't write a kernel etc. etc.)
Since we already proved that, yes, we can boot on the AmigaOne (dead easy), yes, we can do low-level programming (AmigaOne Bios), yes, we can write a kernel (Exec SG), we're now down to the 68K emulation integration.
The list is getting a bit short guys.
End of this thread for me.
Once the 68K emulation integration has been completed, I'll be back.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 133 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Sep-2002 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Nicholai Benalal):
>Commodore always spent considerable energy testing their changes, trying to >minimize the negative impact of their updates to the OS.
Funny that you should mention that. Olaf Barthel has made the original bug and suggestion database from Commodore available online to all OS 4 developers.
Fascinating read and quite helpful sometimes.
>My point is just that Hyperion hasn't even reached the point when they can do >that.
I know you guys need an enemy over at the MorphOS camp but to reduce the OS 4 team to "Hyperion" is an extreme oversimplification.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 134 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Nicholai Benalal):
>> "Can unexpected things happen? Sure. Likely? Not at all."
> I wonder if you are really in a position to judge that. Your arguments have nothing to do with reality. In the real world, applications rely on a lot of assumptions that held on AmigaOS 3.1. Migrating the whole OS to a new architecture involves a lot of small (and occasionally bigger) traps that are not always possible to predict before you really try your implementation.
I know what I know and at least my arguments *are* arguments. My points remain valid.
> Friendly,
You sure?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 135 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by richp on 30-Sep-2002 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
In Reply to Comment 95:
>True. I will not point out the possible problems for you. It's up to you to figure out why I won't do that.
>I bet the crowd will go wild now, and claim I don't have have a clue about this, but I am sure you know better than that.
You behave like a child.
I think you have no clue what you are talking about...
If you can make it better, you can develop your own os.
Do you know whats the difference between an Exception and an Interrupt?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 136 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (alan buxey):
Clearly anonymity gets to you or you are way too uptight. Whats that quote:
"Hairdressers are in the pay of the government. Your hair is how you tap into
cosmic energy. This is why bald men are so often uptight"
Who cares if you want "credibility" through an email address. People do not
post here for *you*.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 137 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 30-Sep-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"I know you guys need an enemy over at the MorphOS camp but to reduce the OS 4 team to "Hyperion" is an extreme oversimplification."
I don't need an enemy. I just think that you are unrealistic about your project. That's all.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 138 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 30-Sep-2002 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Let's put it this way: I firmly believe that whatever the MorphOS team has done, the OS 4 team can reproduce and surpass."
You know, I actually think you are be propably right. The big question is, how many YEARS will it take?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 139 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 30-Sep-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (André Siegel):
propablyprobably ;)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 140 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Nicholai Benalal):
>> "I know you guys need an enemy over at the MorphOS camp but to reduce the OS 4 team to "Hyperion" is an extreme oversimplification."
> I don't need an enemy. I just think that you are unrealistic about your project. That's all.
Thats fine but its just that, your opinion. Your only argument being that there can be problems. I just think that you are biased.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 141 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by tony on 30-Sep-2002 13:01 GMT
WAKE UP CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guys....after reading this post i got abit sad, why? ....
WELL all of you guys should shut up soon , doesnt all of u (or ANYONE) notice how NEGATIVE everything is here?
why should we flame HYPERION? , why should we flame elbox? etc , this is crap... be nicer to the poeple who actually TRIES to rescue the Amiga,
no wonder ben (hyperion) answered so fast the first times, and now nothing...., anyone wonder why? , only flames here, NEGATIVE things and if i was in hyperion i would
never pop up here to see what u guys replied on the posts we made.
Get it? , stop this nonsense , if it aint AMITHLON then its os4.x flames , amiga community once was the best place, now it feels more and more like a Winblows community.
shall i choose a new post read place? , or maybe all the wannabee amiga people with amithlon maybe change to another site? , or maybe ?
thanx to hyperion and all other ALIVE and productive amiga companies
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 142 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 30-Sep-2002 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Anonymous):
Everyone is biased somehow.
Nicholas knows a lot about problems Hyperion will have as he knows about similar problems the MorphOS team add.
Ben is maybe to optimistic to see all these problems but he has not really another choice. If he can drive this project well, good for him.
I can see that the two teams have a different approach.
Hyperion tends to be optimistic and to announce features very early. They also made very optimistic statements about release dates.
The MorphOS team is very secretive about their feature. The say it will be ready when it is done.
The Morphos people tends to nit-pick Hyperion as they obviously think that being optimistic is lying to the users.
Hyperion developpers (except BH) did not comment on MorphOS. They ignored it.
BH is nit-picking too with revealing some hints (like the Articia bug).
BB says "MorphOS is real" and so on.
The good thing is that the main developers are not here to flame each others.
The let the marketing tactics to their project leaders and some fans.
Let's wait and see. When the products are released we are free to try them, compare them. It would be nice to be able to run the two OS on regular PPC Amiga before buying an AmigaOne or a Pegasos. It would be even better to buy an AmigaOne or a Pegasos and be able to run the two OS on it.
Flaming each other here does not serve us at all. We would be better at developping, creating something, buying products for our Amigas or beta equipment.
Don't get it wrong. I use morphos on my Amiga and I think it is a major acomplishment. I will get a pegasos and give it a try. As soon as OS4 is available I will get it and compare it to MorphOS. Maybe I will have to do a choice, maybe I will keep both of them. I think it is the most objective way to do things.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 143 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 30-Sep-2002 13:14 GMT
If "Anonymous (80.248.100.156)" wants to be taken seriously, then either stop posting anonymously, or put up and shut up. It isn't your OS. It isn't your property. So STFU.
Damn, and I look at operating systems like NetBSD, Linux, etc, all written in C, and hot damn if they don't compile and run natively on a horde of different architectures, even architectures that are different-endian to each other, etc. REAL evidence like this is why I believe Hyperion and think that "Anonymous (80.248.100.156)" is just a simple troll who makes the case for banning anonymous posting here much stronger.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 144 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 30-Sep-2002 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Nicholai Benalal):
Well, since you're (Morphos) is very near (afaik), why bother about what Hyperion say about their own project? Hopefully, for you, you're right and you will win anyway.. :)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 145 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 30-Sep-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Let's put it this way: I firmly believe that whatever the MorphOS team has
>done, the OS 4 team can reproduce and surpass.
Mr. Hermans, please don't give us arguments we could use against you ;)
We could now start spreading bullshit just like you do it. For example:
"AmigaOS4 contains stolen parts of MorphOS code. We already have a part of
AmigaOS4 where, by disasembly we may prove that it's in part based
on stolen MorphOS code."
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 146 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 30-Sep-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Christophe Decanini):
@Christophe:
Wise words. Let's wait and see. No comment whatsover will influence my judgement before i have tried it myself.
I still visit ANN sometimes but i select "LIST comments" instead of "FLAT comments", i skip all the anonymous posts (as most of the persons posting without a name are just trolling or flaming) and i pick out the persons i believe will have anything interesting to say! That way, it is quite ok to visit ANN.
To Hyperion:
Congratulations for finishing the BIOS! This is one more step which makes me believe that OS4 is in capable hands. I hope that all the nay-sayers and the trolls out there will be an extra motivation to prove them wrong. The more they say you can't do it, the more motivation you can get from it to prove them wrong.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 147 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Graham):
> If "Anonymous (80.248.100.156)" wants to be taken seriously, then either stop
> posting anonymously, or put up and shut up. It isn't your OS. It isn't your
> property. So STFU.
Ooh, did I hurt your feelings somehow? Hey man, I have every right to comment stuff and still remain anonymous. Feel free to ignore my posts.
> Damn, and I look at operating systems like NetBSD, Linux, etc, all written in
> C, and hot damn if they don't compile and run natively on a horde of different
> architectures, even architectures that are different-endian to each other,
> etc.
Hah. These systems were developed to be multiplatform (or at least they evolved into such later). AmigaOS was not multiplatform. The AmigaOS source (although I haven't seen it) is full of chipset and CPU dependicies. There are no byteswap in the source where needed and so on. It would be close to impossible to make AmigaOS build for different byte-order CPU for example.
Hyperion is not fixing the byteorder issues, so AmigaOS 4.x will not build for little-endian systems.
I write portable C code myself (usually), but that doesn't mean that all old C code automagically is portable. AmigaOS source code definetely was not written portability in mind.
> REAL evidence like this
Which evidence? See above.
> is why I believe Hyperion and think that "Anonymous (80.248.100.156)" is just
> a simple troll
Where did I troll exactly? I just provided alternative view to the current situation with OS4. Mr Hermans confirmed it partly (using 68K for testing the modules) and denied some other points I made.
When I tell someone he has no clue and need to learn his lesson, I mean it.
Arrogant? Possibly. Trolling? Hardly.
> who makes the case for banning anonymous posting here much stronger.
This has been discussed over and over before and ann.lu will continue to allow anonymous posting. Go to amiga.org if you don't want to see them or just skip all anonymous postings.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 148 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Jacek Piszczek):
>"AmigaOS4 contains stolen parts of MorphOS code. We already have a part of
>AmigaOS4 where, by disasembly we may prove that it's in part based
>on stolen MorphOS code."
ROFLOL! Now I have heard everything! How can you steal already stolen code? What are you trying to say?
"MOS:We stole it first so keep your hands off it"
LOL
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 149 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Jacek Piszczek):
"AmigaOS4 contains stolen parts of MorphOS code. We already have a part of
AmigaOS4 where, by disasembly we may prove that it's in part based
on stolen MorphOS code."
At the same time as you are claming that no parts of AOS4 runs on PPC :-)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 150 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 13:56 GMT
OMFG It just hit me! The MOS team saw how successful Bill Clinton was at lying and denying everything, so they mimic it!
We didn't steal source code, we didn't steal inventory, we didn't steal returned defective PPC acclerators, we didn't try to pretend to be a NG Amiga, we didn't hijack the Amiga name in search engines, etc.
Meanwhile....
They are scrambling to remove all stolen code which has delayed their release over a year, coding of which being heavily done on A4000Ts' with 'Property of Escom-Amiga Technologies' badges fitted with CSPPC cards that ironically have the same serial #'s of cards returned for waranty repair to DCE. To top it off even though they claim to not be interested in the Amiga market, they only advertise to Amiga based news sites, only attend Amiga shows, and illegally have paid advertising links for search words like "amigaone" and "ben hermans"
Oh yeah, keep it up slick willy.
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