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Posted on 29-Sep-2002 18:55 GMT by xisp212 comments
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Hyperion is pleased to report that it has completed the AmigaOne firmware based on the GPL'ed PPCBoot project.

Source: AmigArt.

Leuven, Belgium - September 27, 2002.

Hyperion is pleased to report that it has completed the AmigaOne firmware based on the GPL'ed PPCBoot project. Below you will find a description of the implemented hardware support and functionality. We want to thank everyone who has contributed to this project.

Hardware support for the following devices:
-Serial port
-USB UHCI
-USB keyboard
-USB storage devices
-PS/2 compatible keyboard
-i8259 interrupt controller
-3com 3c920 ethernet with full busmastering
-VIA IDE controller (A and B revision)
-Real time clock (RTC)

Features of PPCBoot (as implemented by Hyperion):
-x86 BIOS emulator capable of initialising and using nearly all PCI and AGP graphic cards based on the chipsets of ATI, nVidia, 3DFX, S3, 3Dlabs (Permedia), Trident etc.
-Auto detection of SDRAM modules
-Auto detection of bus and CPU speed
-Support for PCI and AGP
-General ArtiticaS support
-General VIA686 southbridge support (686A and 686B)
-IDE support (harddisk and CD-ROM booting)
-Floppy support
-Booting over network"

Ben Hermans, Hyperion.

Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 151 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 30-Sep-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben wrote:
(and apologies to all those OS 4 developers I have ommitted).
Nah.. I think you omitted Bill Gates on purpose.. :)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 152 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Sep-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks for the reply,
>>3) How about wake-up on keyboard/modem/lan?
>Not sure what you mean here. You mean the ability to get the machine to "wake >up" upon pressing a key, getting a packet over the network etc?
Yeah, for example my ASUS A7V266 MB can be powered on by a remote network signal, a USB device (I suppose attaching a digital camera will powerit up) or by the user hitting a particular key combo on the keyboard. I can also set in the Bios to have the machine turn itself on at a particular time each day, that way it could be on by the time I wake up and have my emails already downloaded. It also has an option to automatically re-start if there was a power loss (only if the computer was running at the time of power loss of course), usefull for servers.
>>5) Any "Advanced User" or "Performance Tweaking" options?
>Not at the moment. We are planning to incorporate more features as time >progresses including but not limited to adding support for more graphic-boards >and CPU types.
I was actually wondering more about over clocking. There's lots of people who like to tweak their computers to get the most performance they can get, even if it makes the system a bit unstable at times. This really appeals to the hobbiest, I really don't care that much about it.
So just curious, where can I get more info on PPCBoot. Also, what exactly are you adding to it? I assume you're not adding many features, just adapting it to AmigaOne hardware?
- Mike
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Posted by Phill on 30-Sep-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
You can test parts of a system without having the whole system up, thats what modules are for. The original AmigaOS development, for example, was started way before there was ever any real hardware.
Testing on a PPC? Well that could be done on an Amiga with a phase 5 card, on a Linux PPC box or even under MacOS.
As long as the code has been tested well it shouldn't make a difference & will all work once plugged together.
Obviously there will be bugs that pop up when people start using it for something real, KS 1.0 was so unstable they had to ship the machines with boot loaded roms.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 154 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Phill):
> Testing on a PPC? Well that could be done on an Amiga with a phase 5 card, on a Linux PPC box or even under MacOS.
Oh really? Care to explain how?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 155 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 30-Sep-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Lack of source will only be a problem if someone in the testing group leaks the bios. The person that leaks it out to the public will then be breaking the GPL.
Phill
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 30-Sep-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (xisp):
Hi!
xisp: Please don't make assumptions on release dates which are based on
no detailed information. I know people love to do this on ANN, but it's
really no point and only leads to wrong rumours.
Various Anonymous and such: About the "it is not sure it will work as it is not tested" business.
You cannot do *any* software developement with such an assumption. If you'd
do this you might also wonder, if you maybe won't be able to finish the
project DESPITE already having something running on PPC.
There are a lot of clever people working on OS 4, and there were a lot of
plans done though not in the public, so just accept that there is no "risk",
at least not more "risk" than in any other developement project. If you just
start with going "as long as it is not done I consider it maybe will never
work" then you won't reach anything. That's a very unprofessional attitude.
I'd even call it a stupid attitude. Actually before a developement problem
is solved it is very cleanly analyzed, so you know exactly what you have to
do and what the problems and solutions are. It is *not* a roll of the dice,
like some people seem to assume.
And as I outlined before, the current 68k modules have in many cases already
the "PPC-Modifications" ready in the source (and for many cases no modifications
are needed at all even), so that for many components the process of moving
to PPC is quite trivial. You cannot see a developement process as a "blackbox
which might work or maybe won't", it doesn't work like this. Using a 68k-based
prototype is a completely different developement process than developing a
68k-OS of course !!! The process which was done was of course always done with
the PPC-port in mind and to shorten the developement time of the move to PPC
already in advance.
As to the "components not ported over to PPC" some people were wondering about:
Think of something like trackdisk.device for example... not really needed in
PPC Code...
Of course again a lot of people (usually called Anonymous) want to comment about things
were they really have no clue about (for example developement process of OS 4).
Steffen Haeuser
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 157 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Sep-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Anonymous):
"They are scrambling to remove all stolen code which has delayed their release over a year, coding of which being heavily done on A4000Ts' with 'Property of Escom-Amiga Technologies' badges fitted with CSPPC cards that ironically have the same serial #'s of cards returned for waranty repair to DCE. To top it off even though they claim to not be interested in the Amiga market, they only advertise to Amiga based news sites, only attend Amiga shows, and illegally have paid advertising links for search words like "amigaone" and "ben hermans"
Oh yeah, keep it up slick willy."
YOu forgot the rolling around in money chuckling part ;0
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 158 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Just my 2p worth on 30-Sep-2002 14:31 GMT
FWIW, I think the OS4 people are doing a good job. Rather than attack them as soon as they say they can do something, why not give them the benefit of the doubt? They cannot and are not obliged to prove to us every single theory and test they make during development. It's the same people complaining now as were complaining it would never get this far. When it's released, the same people will be complaining about its' performance. Some people just believe everyone is more incompetent than themselves.
On the subject of recompiling to PPC: Yes, of course it is unlikely to work "first time", but since they have coded with the move in mind, using a package intended for multiple target CPUs, the glitches should be relatively easy to iron out in a short space of time. Most such problems are compiler bugs anyway.
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Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Just my 2p worth):
Just recompiled Mozilla 1.1 to work on Linux/390. Worked first time.
A distinct lack of blues clues on this fora.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 30-Sep-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Just my 2p worth):
They not only coded with porting in mind, they coded both the application to be ported, the OS you port TO, and they put together the compiler that you use to compile the whole shebang. ANYONE who has tried to recompile ANSI-C _only_ code from one big-endian CPU to another should know that this really is that straight forward. Porting from gcc-amigaos-m68k to gcc-amigaos-ppc ISN'T rocket-science, and even if it was I would trust Hyperion et al to manage ok ;-)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 161 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Sep-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Anonymous):
Different story. Since then OS4 has gone through many changes, to the point that OS4 now is pretty much OS4.2 of that time. The added stuff needed more work and several other issues came up. I'm pretty sure Turrican had no idea of all this, sticking to the original plan OS4 could as well been out for a while by now. But I'm glad they decided to do more.
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Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Ole-Egil):
It does not have to be ANSI C. Anyone with an ounce of grey matter can work through
any compile differences platform to platform.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 163 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Sep-2002 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Anonymous):
1) You guys don't even understand a joke made ironically
2) Post with your name, or fuck yourself with a cheesy vibrator.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 164 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 30-Sep-2002 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (Anonymous):
Well, actually anyone can't figure out platform differences. The point here is that there are in fact none, as far as user space applications in C are concerned :-)
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 165 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 30-Sep-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (amigammc):
Dear Amigans,
Turrican knows more than you can imagine.
Don't listen to the Mermaids' songs. AmigaOS 4 will come, but not in the timeline that some people give on this news site. Let's see in February 2k3 my friends.
Your avenger,
Turrican
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 166 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Do you have a cheesy vibrator to hand?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 167 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 30-Sep-2002 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (L8-X):
im starting to think the very same thing.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Sep-2002 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Heh, I didn't know vibrators could be classified as cheesy and non-cheesy. I tell ya, you learn something every day! :)
- Mike
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 169 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 30-Sep-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
quack! quack!
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 170 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Sep-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Anonymous):
Nope, but you can search the net to find some good ones to fit you if you REALLY
want it. Alternatively, you can ask your girlfriend.
Anyway, people, MOS or AOS, do not post anonymously...
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 30-Sep-2002 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Anonymous):
>ROFLOL! Now I have heard everything! How can you steal already stolen code?
>What are you trying to say?
Anonymous, you're an idiot. Please, try to read again what I wrote and think
for a few seconds.
MorphOS doesn't contain any stolen parts of AmigaOS anyway. There's no proof,
only lies spreaded by OS4 team.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 172 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 30-Sep-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (alan buxey):
Just prooves why democracy never worked. The wellfare system would be enough for people, even if there was a dictatorship :) The democracy is only misused power. A dictator misuses power, and give his power to the people, and they will misuse it too.
And there still is no world peace :) Wonder why folks?
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 173 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 30-Sep-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Jacek Piszczek):
I'd bet that even though you put your "made-up bullshit" in quotes there will be 50 posts debating your bullshit as if you had stated it as a fact. Watch what you say, and god forbid you ever make an attempt at humour in here...
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 174 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion- on 30-Sep-2002 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Christophe Decanini):
For the record, there is no Articia bug.
That's what you get when you buy in your firmware and don't actually know how your Northbridge and Southbridge work.
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 30-Sep-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Casey R Williams):
>I'd bet that even though you put your "made-up bullshit" in quotes there will
>be 50 posts debating your bullshit as if you had stated it as a fact.
Yea. I already noticed this when reading some post by mr. Anonymous.
Btw. I want this "made-up bullshit" remain made-up. Creating something
like WarpOS is is pointless.
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Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 17:30 GMT
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Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 177 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 17:38 GMT
Obnoxious, childish, arrogant and a total k-n-o-b. So what about what you "predicted" others said much the same at the time. I refuse to take your
predictions seriously because you present yourself as a total joke.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 178 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by catoman on 30-Sep-2002 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (catohagen):
fart! fart!
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 179 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Sep-2002 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (catoman):
Let it all out ... Those gasses probably amount to more then the rest of this thread :\
/corpse - so when do i get my opensource developer badge.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 180 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by justchillout :) on 30-Sep-2002 20:41 GMT
Anyone been to any UK festivals. Glastonbury or Reading maybe?
Sat there in the evening, in your own little camp. Then you start to
shout, everyone starts to shout, they all see who can shout the
loudest.
All I can say is.....
BOLLOCKS..... BOLLOCKS..... BOLLOCKS!
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 181 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Sep-2002 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Phill):
It appears that Hyperion will be co-operating with the PPCBoot maintainers to merge all their improvements into U-Boot (which is what PPCBoot will be called when ARM and other architectures are brought together)
I haven't had confirmation of that yet, but the U-Boot team say they want to do it, and Ben claimed (in this very thread) that Hyperion would be happy to do it, so there is no possible obstacle that I can see.
See, that's how this is supposed to work. Instead of being a leech and calling everyone else scum and pirates, you co-operate and get work done more quickly. Hopefully Steffen is paying attention.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 182 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 30-Sep-2002 22:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Anonymous):
To 217.35.37.33: What do you want to imply ? I am always for cooperation.
Even with some people who then cancelled the cooperation one-sidedly in the
past :(
Oh well, why am I even replying to people who are too cowardly to even post
under their own name ? About the anonymous problem. What about this change
in the ann software: As long as someone does not provide an email address
his name will always be "Anonymous Coward" ? :)
And I am sure you will find a way to twist around this in my mouth also
(not sure if this german proverb "works" in english).
Steffen Haeuser
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Posted by Kjetil on 01-Oct-2002 00:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Anonymous):
>It would be close to impossible to make AmigaOS build for different
>byte-order CPU for example.
You know that 680x0 and PPC is not different byte-order right?
This is not going to be a problem unless AmigaOS4.0 is going to include a PC emulator.
You know (80.248.100.156) I hate to break it to you have ever I hate the idea of Anonymous posting, I tend to forget reading the IP address and it all becomes an big blur of posts, I do approve of typing some thing in the name filed it not need to be you’re name and phone number or any thing.
I totally agree whit you on estimates of Hyperons to be to optimistic, I get MorphOS tame has worked there buttes of to get ahead of Hyperons when there where nothing to worry about.
How ever this is not the problem you same to me to be attacking Ben on really nasty and personal way that do not think you be doing if you where posting with your name, and where is all that nasty words coming from you know you should go to church or some otter realign fanatic origination, that can clean up you’re matters, LOL : )
No seriously think for you’re self clean up you’re matters, and please start typing some thing in the name fields
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Posted by CodeSmith on 01-Oct-2002 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Steffen Haeuser):
@Stephen:
The problem I have with providing an email address on ANN is that I can see getting into an argument and either being mailbombed or having my ISP harrassed. Yes, I quite believe a segment of the current Amiga userbase is that childish and malicious. So what I do is to use the same alias in all the Amiga-related sites I post to (currently just ann and amiga.org). When I send mail to someone personally, I give my name (which is Fabian BTW) and full email address.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 185 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Beezle on 01-Oct-2002 02:55 GMT
Damn..... I just read through all these posts, and come to a conclusion..... the Amiga community in general (not all though) has become full of delusional halfwits, all trying to prove how 'smart' they are (and believe me they have proved this (ie. they're morons)). It's a shame to see really, the Amiga user base used to mainly consist of intelligent people who wanted a better alternative...... what ever happened to this attitude ??
Good luck to Hyperion and all those involved with OS4, ..... I feel like a kid at Christmas time, counting down the days.
P.S. No offense Turrican, but even a broken clock is right twice a day :)
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 01-Oct-2002 03:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Beezle):
>It's a shame to see really, the Amiga user base used to mainly consist of
>intelligent people who wanted a better alternative...... what ever happened to
>this attitude ??
I couldn't agree with you more. This is why I believe the only chance Amiga has is to concentrate on getting new users and not worry too much about the current user base. Some will follow, others will not, you can't please everyone. Amiga really does need to be re-invented not just upgraded, how they can do that I'm not sure.
Oh well, let's at least hope for the best and I think it might be beneficial to most if people tried to adopt a slighlty more positive outlook on things. It seems like we're all a bunch of manic depresive computer geeks. We shouldn't take computers and the Amiga so personally, it's just a computer! Don't allow something you have no control over, like the fait of the Amiga, to control your emotions so much! It's just sad to see people arguing so passionatly about this stuff, there's just way more important things in life. Anyways, that's my bit.
- Mike
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 01-Oct-2002 05:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (CodeSmith):
I have never had any problems with providing my email address here. But I wouldn't read any mailbombs either, so who would bother?
Anyway, a nickname should be enough. At least we easily see who you are if you post 10 posts in the same thread. Not so with anonymous people. Like someone mentioned, keeping track of people through ip address sucks...
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 01-Oct-2002 07:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (CodeSmith):
CodeSmith: Well, actually I have not really a problem with people like you who provide a nickname, but no Email Address :) I really only have a problem with "completely Anonymous" postings. The "Anonymous Coward" thing is BTW from a PC-online-forum, they did handle it there like this.
Steffen
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 189 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 01-Oct-2002 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Steffen Haeuser):
I don't include my email address because it can be picked up by Spam
bots. I get too much spam already.
Arguments between various people all called Anonymous are unreadable.
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Posted by Anonymous Coward on 01-Oct-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (Kjetil):
>>It would be close to impossible to make AmigaOS build for different
>>byte-order CPU for example.
>
>You know that 680x0 and PPC is not different byte-order right?
I am very well aware of this. I did not claim this would be necessary for OS 4.x. Could you please check the original message I was replying to? Sadly, taking ones replies out of the context seems to be quite common here.
> This is not going to be a problem unless AmigaOS4.0 is going to include a
> PC emulator.
How would that require AmigaOS itself to be little-endian?
> You know (80.248.100.156) I hate to break it to you have ever I hate the idea
> of Anonymous posting, I tend to forget reading the IP address and it all
> becomes an big blur of posts, I do approve of typing some thing in the name
> filed it not need to be you’re name and phone number or any thing.
Ok, using 'Anonymous Coward' now, if that makes you feel any better.
*babbling cutted out*
> How ever this is not the problem you same to me to be attacking Ben on really
> nasty and personal way
<Hmm, trying to work out the typos here> You accuse me of attacking Mr Hermans on personal level? When did I do that? IMHO we had perfectly sane and adult exchange of messages.
> that do not think you be doing if you where posting with your name, and where
> is all that nasty words coming from you know you should go to church or some
> otter realign fanatic origination, that can clean up you’re matters, LOL : )
Blabla. Nasty words, yeah.. IMHO I haven't used any nasty words as such, you can see much worse wording here every minute. I might have asked the tricky questions, and some ppl seem to think you should not be allowed to. And you should probably check your spelling (no offence!)... LOL :)
> No seriously think for you’re self clean up you’re matters, and please start
> typing some thing in the name fields
See above.
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Posted by Ian on 01-Oct-2002 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Beezle):
> It's a shame to see really, the Amiga user base used to mainly consist of
> intelligent people who wanted a better alternative...... what ever happened
> to this attitude ??
We mostly can't be bothered to post because of all the idiots. I hope the people doing OS4/MOS/whatever also appreciate there are real users who sit quietly and DON'T make a lot of negative noise on news forums.
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 01-Oct-2002 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Don Cox):
"I don't include my email address because it can be picked up by Spam
bots. I get too much spam already."
I always use my real name and Email adress (Ouch..think of all the dirt Thendic can find on me...) and have only one time recieved spam because of that.
I recieved a email 2-3 years ago which was written by a total idiot but he only send me this one mail.
Have gotten lots of positive emails and have talked privately with lots of people here from ANN or Amiga.org.
Ohh...And then I had these weird emails from Thendic, not the most clever stuff ever seen:-)
"Arguments between various people all called Anonymous are unreadable."
So true..
I think it's ok that people (like you) don't want to include your email adress as long as you submit with either name or nickname. I know some people have a lot of trouble with spam and I am very happy that I am not one of these people (yet?).
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2002 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (Turrican):
>Turrican knows more than you can imagine.
I doubt that.
>Don't listen to the Mermaids' songs. AmigaOS 4 will come, but not in the timeline >that some people give on this news site. Let's see in February 2k3 my friends.
Feb... yeah. You don't need a crystal ball to see that. Could be sooner, and that would be great too.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2002 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Steffen Haeuser):
>I really only have a problem with "completely Anonymous" postings.
The only problem with anon postings is when they are trolls (which is the norm on ANN). If I post on here once every three months, whats the point in giving a name or email addr?
The problem is with the Amiga community and the problem won't go away until products are realeased.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Anonymous Coward):
>perfectly sane
No. Just... no.
You've still given no reason why porting the parts of AOS4 that have been rewritten this year in C, with portability in mind, would be difficult to port to PPC. Put up or shut up.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Anonymous):
> Hah. These systems were developed to be multiplatform (or at least they evolved into such later). AmigaOS was not multiplatform.
You do know Hyperion are not just taking OS 3.9 sources and compile them for PPC right? Do you understand what "evolved into such later" means?
> The AmigaOS source (although I haven't seen it) is full of chipset and CPU dependicies. There are no byteswap in the source where needed and so on.
Ahh yes. You havent seen it but know that these things are intermingled in way that makes porting difficult. Remember we are not talking about OS < 3.9? Also who would need byteswap anywhere in there?
> It would be close to impossible to make AmigaOS build for different byte-order CPU for example.
Pointless, you got no valid arguments? Even then, Amithlon seems to be working.
> Hyperion is not fixing the byteorder issues, so AmigaOS 4.x will not build for little-endian systems.
Again, who cares?
> I write portable C code myself (usually), but that doesn't mean that all old C code automagically is portable. AmigaOS source code definetely was not written portability in mind.
Again this is not valid. See above.
>> is why I believe Hyperion and think that "Anonymous (80.248.100.156)" is just
>> a simple troll
> Where did I troll exactly? I just provided alternative view to the current situation with OS4. Mr Hermans confirmed it partly (using 68K for testing the modules) and denied some other points I made.
The fact that testing mainly happens on 68k says absolutely nothing about the portability of the code or even about tests on PPC. You provided a view but not reason.
> When I tell someone he has no clue and need to learn his lesson, I mean it.
> Arrogant? Possibly. Trolling? Hardly.
You have no clue and i mean it.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 197 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by StaggerLee on 01-Oct-2002 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Anonymous):
Some quotes from a complete idiot:
>AmigaOS was not multiplatform.
> The AmigaOS source (although I haven't seen it) is full of chipset and CPU >dependicies
The point is thats the fuckwit who wrote this in comment 147 has missed the point of what Hyperion & Co had been doing this whole bloody year, which is rewrite these partd in portable C.
I mean.... why does he think the OS is coming to late?????? Just to please him????
More of his crap
> Hyperion is not fixing the byteorder issues, so AmigaOS 4.x will not build for >little-endian systems.
Like anon said > Again, who cares?
PPC isn't little endian
>(80.248.100.156)" is just
>> a simple troll
Yes... look at me.. I'm wishing you cancer of the arse.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 198 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Coward on 01-Oct-2002 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (StaggerLee):
> The point is thats the fuckwit who wrote this in comment 147 has missed the point of what Hyperion & Co had been doing this whole bloody year, which is rewrite these partd in portable C.
Read comment 143 which I was replying to. Again you take my replies out of the context.
> More of his crap
>
>> Hyperion is not fixing the byteorder issues, so AmigaOS 4.x will not build for
>> little-endian systems.
>
> Like anon said > Again, who cares?
See above. Could you please read the message I was replying to?
> PPC isn't little endian
Did I claim it wouldn't be? In fact, PPC can be both little and big endian. Again, read the friggin' message I was replying to!
This is getting a bit boring, try using some real arguments instead of name calling.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 199 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Coward on 01-Oct-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Anonymous Coward):
...the point being that you cannot compare some portable OS (Linux, *BSD etc) to AmigaOS. I was merely trying to point out that AmigaOS is not as easy to port since you need to remove all those dependicies. And yes, Hyperion has been working on that, and they even said themselves they haven't been able to iron all of them out just yet.
Hyperion finished AmigaOne firmware : Comment 200 of 212ANN.lu
Posted by StaggerLee on 01-Oct-2002 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Anonymous Coward):
> Read comment 143 which I was replying to. Again you take my replies out of the context.
I just read it a few times. It was a rather satisfying reply to one of your more stupid posts.
However I think you were refering to you post 147, whish has the following inane remarks:
>Ooh, did I hurt your feelings somehow? Hey man, I have every right to comment >stuff and still remain anonymous. Feel free to ignore my posts.
Heavy on the technical details!!
> Hah. These systems were developed to be multiplatform (or at least they evolved >into such later). AmigaOS was not multiplatform. The AmigaOS source (although I >haven't seen it) is full of chipset and CPU dependicies. There are no byteswap >in the source where needed and so on. It would be close to impossible to make >AmigaOS build for different byte-order CPU for example.
Ok. Like I said. What do you think Hyperion and Co have been doing this WHOLE YEAR if not rewriting parts of the OS that had chipset deps?
>Hyperion is not fixing the byteorder issues, so AmigaOS 4.x will not build for >little-endian systems.
I think you'll agree thats irrelevent.
> I write portable C code myself (usually), but that doesn't mean that all old C >code automagically is portable. AmigaOS source code definetely was not written >portability in mind.
Sheesh, see above.
> Where did I troll exactly?
Ok, let me get this one. Now listen. You said thats it's difficult to recompile C code for different CPU's. Now I know you're going to go back and say that you meant code in AOS that was dependent on the chipsets, but thats not what you said. And once again, see above.
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