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Posted on 04-Oct-2002 13:57 GMT by Alkis Tsapanidis114 comments
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Phase II Team Betatester and Betatester II, Frankfurt:

The Betatester Program has been very successful and we need to
acknowledge the reliable support we have received from most of our
Betatesters for the Pegasos and MorphOS. Thanks!
If you are a Core MorphOS Developer, a Qualified Betatester, or a
Phase II Betatester (to be explained) we will organize and cover
your travel and lodging expenses to the Betatester II Conference
in Frankfurt, Germany. The Conference is currently scheduled for 12 October.
We understand that we need to push the date back so that plans can
be made and we can maximize the opportunity to make this
gathering as meaningful and productive as possible.
The new date will be 14-15 December at the Hilton Hotel, Frankfurt.

Get ready! M-Day is here!
1. On 12 October version 1.0 of MorphOS will be released to all Betatesters.
2. The week of 13 October the Pegasos Betatester mainboard will be released to Resellers. It is STILL a "Betatester."
3. On 12 October Phase II of Team Betatester will begin.


About the Betatester II Conference
If you are Core MorphOS Developer you are automatically included.
If you are a "qualified" Betatester (you have been sending your bug
reports, testing applications, etc.) you are included.
If you purchase a Betatester in October and port an application or
develop an original program for MorphOS to demonstrate at
Betatester II you are *eligible* to be included.
If you have an interesting hardware development or special hardware
skills required to test and experiment with the Pegasos
you are *eligible* for Phase II of the Betatester Program
and can be included.

If you are a Graphic Artist, a Demo Scene producer, or a Web
Designer and you have something to show us that captures the spirit
of the future we want to create with Team Betatester, you are
*eligible* and can be included.
The websites to be created are www.pegasosppc.com and www.pegasosppc.org.

We will provide travel and lodging for up to 100 Developers/Betatesters.
To register and be considered you must email your full contact
information to betatester@thendic-france.com before 20 October.

After 14 October Betatester machines can be purchased from these
known distributors/resellers:

Master Distributors:
Germany http://www.vesalia.de
France http://www.aps.fr

Resellers:

France http://www.pegasos-france.com
Germany http://www.kdh-shop24.de
Spain http://www.amigasuperbit.com
Italy http://www.virtualworks.it
Holland http://www.compcity.nl
Poland http://efunzine.pegasos.pl/
Sweden http://www.ggsdata.se
Suisse http://www.pegasos-suisse.com
Denmark http://www.kiwimultimedia.dk
Austria http://www.pointdesign.at/

USA and Canada details coming soon!

Also at Betatester II...
<BR< We will present the strategic plan for MorphOS, the Pegasos and the eclipsis.

We will present the first peripheral devices: a wireless camera, a
smart card reader, and the DataPlay disc drive. They will all work
with the Pegasos and depending on what activity each Betatester
is involved with in the future these devices will be given
to Betatesters for testing/development. All Betatesters
will receive the Thendic card reader and a Betatester
Smart Card that enables secure FTP access to the Betatester II
application library and loyalty program.

We will also award 1000 Euros for the best program ported to
MorphOS, the best Demo, and the best hardware innovation presented
at the Conference. The results will be determined by a popular vote
of the 100 Developers/Betatesters present and the Thendic/bplan
Team. Each person has one vote.

The Conference begins at 1000 14 December. The formal presentations
begin at 1500 and end at 1800. From 1000 to 1800 only
Developers/Betatesters and the Thendic/bplan Team will be admitted.
At 1800 until 2400 the Conference will be open to all interested
parties and a buffet style "working" dinner will be provided
with coffee and drinks. All others admitted for the evening
demonstration from will receive a Betatester II T-Shirt.
The cost of entry for interested parties is 20 Euros.
However, anyone having purchased a Betatester and not already
a Conference participant will be admitted free.
Sunday, 15 December the Conference will be open from 1000 until
1500. The voting for the contests will be at 1200. The cost of entry
for interested parties is 20 Euros. A buffet lunch will be
served and coffee and drinks will be provided. Again, anyone having
purchased a Betatester and not already a Conference participant
will be admitted free.
The M-day has come! : Comment 1 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Oct-2002 12:00 GMT
This one was posted earlier and I reposted it with full details.
The M-day has come! : Comment 2 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 04-Oct-2002 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Okey, I see now... could be useful to just scroll up
and look at the hole text.. :)
The M-day has come! : Comment 3 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Oct-2002 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Leif):
Yeap. And I was quite sure that some people would read the title and start
flaming without bothering to click the like to read the text itself.:P
The M-day has come! : Comment 4 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 04-Oct-2002 12:52 GMT
looks like a very good system (in terms of how they
treat testers, programmers etc) that they are running.
it seems a big pity theres no UK reseller lined up yet.
the UK was the 2nd largest Amiga market in Europe IIRC
alan
The M-day has come! : Comment 5 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 04-Oct-2002 13:04 GMT
Look like a US dealer is http://amigaone.f2g.net/
Muhahahahahahah...
The M-day has come! : Comment 6 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 04-Oct-2002 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (alan buxey):
I have an other question concerning UK :
Why Total Amiga magazine, The Crypt Mag,... don't speak about Pegasos/MorphOS ?...
In Total Amiga 12 and in The Crypt 25 : no line for Pegasos and MorphOS.
That's simply desinformation.
The M-day has come! : Comment 7 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2002 13:17 GMT
12 oct / 14 dec??
will all dates be delayed accordingly?
"team betatester" ... oh great ...
The M-day has come! : Comment 8 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amygale):
Perhabs they dont consider it as "Amiga", perhabs they think its rather an emulator. Who knows.
The M-day has come! : Comment 9 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 04-Oct-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amygale):
>Why Total Amiga magazine, The Crypt Mag,... don't speak about
>Pegasos/MorphOS ?...
>In Total Amiga 12 and in The Crypt 25 : no line for Pegasos and MorphOS.
>That's simply desinformation.
PFFFFFFFFT! No it is NOT. Amiga users buy Amiga magazines to read about Amigas! Mac users don't buy Mac magazines to read about Windows or even BasiliskII.
leeches
The M-day has come! : Comment 10 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 04-Oct-2002 13:33 GMT
I'm trying to arrange an import of Pegasos'es to Norway. For those norwegians that are interested, read more at www.polarboing.com
The M-day has come! : Comment 11 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2002 13:58 GMT
Fucking Amiga can please die now! os 4 will NEVER arrive, Hyperion are idiots.
Buy your Pegasos now, or lose out!!!!
The M-day has come! : Comment 12 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Who me? on 04-Oct-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (MonkeyOS):
This is FUD as always, there's no new Amiga until they (Ainc or whoever) finish it.
In the mean time should be a good idea to say that there's an alternative available now.
The M-day has come! : Comment 13 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 04-Oct-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Hmmm, the voices in your head telling you things again Mr Anon. ??
The M-day has come! : Comment 14 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Who you? on 04-Oct-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Come on man, what about competition???
Let them do whatever they like, if they want to wait for Aone that's ok for we live in the free wolrd so we can choose. Don't impose your views to others if ypu don't want the same from them.
For me I'll go the Mos route, I already have tested Morphos and I like it, but if any other person wants Aone+Aos4 that's ok.
I prefer to have two alternatives rather than one. If later Mos fails and Aos4 gets bigger and stronger and powerfull I'll buy it.
The M-day has come! : Comment 15 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2002 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (alan buxey):
>it seems a big pity theres no UK reseller lined up yet.
Maybe Mr Redhouse makes up his mind after his close examination of Pegasos
systems at the recent Gothenburg event... :-)
The M-day has come! : Comment 16 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Oct-2002 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Who me?):
An alternative called "betatester" implies that it too is not finished.
As for the publications you mention, they are privately run and edited. If you don't like their coverage don't read them.
There's nothing stopping you starting a MorphOS Weekly magazine or whatever.
The M-day has come! : Comment 17 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Aries on 04-Oct-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
>Fucking Amiga can please die now! os 4 will NEVER arrive, Hyperion are idiots.
>
>Buy your Pegasos now, or lose out!!!!
OK, I loose out then. ;)
I'll look and wait till I see any of these systems in a shop near me.
The only thing I'll probably buy earlier is a Notebook running Amithlo* .
We'll see.
Tea anyone?
The M-day has come! : Comment 18 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 04-Oct-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Aries):
but then, amithlon is illegal stuff.
The M-day has come! : Comment 19 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Oct-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (anon):
I think that's why he used the '*'. I suspect he was referring to the "product formerly known as version 2.0", whose new name has not been made public yet.
Then again, that has not been released yet, and it's unclear when it will get all its licencing issues sorted out, so there's no telling if it will be released before AmogaOne/AmigaOS4 or Pegasos/MorphOS. The only difference in this case is that the software is ready for full release, and has been for months.
The M-day has come! : Comment 20 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 04-Oct-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
TAFKAA
"The Artist Formerly Known As Amithlon."
:D ;)
The M-day has come! : Comment 21 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by x on 04-Oct-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
So the mysterious man on that photo was Mr Eyetech.
Ok, that makes sense! :)
The M-day has come! : Comment 22 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by X on 04-Oct-2002 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
Have you got any inside news on when this new
version of Amith* 2.0 will be out?
It looks like Bernie might do some kind of
enhancement pack for Amithlon 1.0 with
bugfixes so that he then can proceed on
selling his new version?...
The M-day has come! : Comment 23 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Oct-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (X):
> Have you got any inside news on when this new
> version of Amith* 2.0 will be out?
No. Progress towards settling the last licensing issue surrounding it was made for a while, but it seems to have gone backsliding again at the last minute. I have been forced to just about abandon any hopes of demonstrating it at the WoA-SE show, because I've run out of time.
> It looks like Bernie might do some kind of
> enhancement pack for Amithlon 1.0 with
> bugfixes so that he then can proceed on
> selling his new version?...
I don't know anything about that, and I'd be reluctant to accept rumours at face value in this case. Since the delay is caused by one party that stands to win whichever product gets to sell more, and to whom Bernie has no obligations, I don't see why extending support for v1.0 would enable him to sell "v2", or why he would trust the other parties to keep up their end of the bargain. Of course things might be happening that I don't know about, but you shouldn't believe everything you read on the mailing list, as some of the things posted there have been grossly misleading - specially the stuff about mediation and negotiation.
Bernie has said he will release a faily major update (contrib 4?) for v1.0 a week or two *after* "v2" goes on sale, and AFAIK that is still his position now. What worries me is that much more of this kind of stuff will chase away the best fresh talent we've had in the Amiga scene for years, but maybe self-destructiveness is so ingrained into our ethos now that we can't help ourselves.
Anyway, time to go. This subject is OT here and I have things to do... :)
The M-day has come! : Comment 24 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-Oct-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (MonkeyOS):
Hello,
"
PFFFFFFFFT! No it is NOT. Amiga users buy Amiga magazines to read about Amigas! Mac users don't buy Mac magazines to read about Windows or even BasiliskII."
Then it's strange that Mac magazines are speaking about basiliskII and even Windows or even AmigaOne/Pegasos (at least here in France :) )...
Regards
The M-day has come! : Comment 25 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by X on 04-Oct-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Bill Hoggett):
Thanks for the info, anyway:)
Looks like the hope is fading away slowly...
Too bad...
The M-day has come! : Comment 26 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2002 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
> Buy your Pegasos now, or lose out!!!!
Why? Being produced only for a few days?
The M-day has come! : Comment 27 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 04-Oct-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amygale):
Reading a comment like that makes me laugh and wonder what IQ this
person has! Why do *some* MorphOS users come across as a couple of
bricks short of a house?
To answer his question, (And in my humble opinion, speaking for
myself and not the magazine) the reason I reckon that Total Amiga
Magazine does not cover MorphOS is many fold;
1: It is called Total AMIGA Magazine.
2: We don't have a volunteer member or contributor pro MorphOS.
(and we don't write anti-MorphOS either - OK!)
3: We haven't had much of a mailbag requesting MorphOS news/coverage.
- Please bear in mind that the magazine is non profit making, it is
put together by a bunch of volunteer Amiga enthusiasts.
- Perhaps someone should start their own MorphOS magazine?
We don't have anything against MorphOS, because if we did, we would
not have allowed them to come to the WOASE show.
(Did you know that the people behind Total Amiga Magazine are the same
people behind a larger group organising WOASE?)
Again, speaking for myself I have been liasing personally, with Bill
Buck to ensure that everything goes as smoothly as possible for
Thendic/Bplan's Attendance at WOASE.
It's no secret that I am planning to purchase an A1 system
whenever they arrive, having said that I have nothing personal against
the MorphOS team and look forward to welcoming them personally to
WOASE and seeing what they have to offer for myself.
As to the comment of spreading misinformation, I haven't got a
dictionary handy, but I am sure misinformation means telling untrue
stories, twisting facts etc in order to show the subject in a
negative light. Since Total Amiga Magazine does not write about
MorphOS, how can that be spreading misinformation?
I am sure Total Amiga Magazine will cover MorphOS on their
review of WOASE 2002 in issue14. (we will have a personal
experience by then)
(Issue 13 will be on sale just in time for the show)
So until I have seen MorphOS/Pegasos for myself, I will not pass
comment, unlike the writer of comment 4, who has passed comment
without getting his/her facts correct first.
Regards
Mikey C
The views presented in this comment are entirely mine and not those of
Total Amiga Magazine.
The M-day has come! : Comment 28 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 04-Oct-2002 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Hi Bill!
The M-day has come! : Comment 29 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 04-Oct-2002 23:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Mikey C):
MikeyC wrote:
("To answer his question, (And in my humble opinion, speaking for
myself and not the magazine) the reason I reckon that Total Amiga
Magazine does not cover MorphOS is many fold;")
"1: It is called Total AMIGA Magazine."
Maybe they should call it "Partial AMIGA" if their focus is so narrow as to not see MOS' relevance to Amiga users...
"2: We don't have a volunteer member or contributor pro MorphOS.
(and we don't write anti-MorphOS either - OK!)"
You mean your editors are neutral on MOS? Where'd you find those guys? ;)
"3: We haven't had much of a mailbag requesting MorphOS news/coverage.
- Please bear in mind that the magazine is non profit making, it is
put together by a bunch of volunteer Amiga enthusiasts.
- Perhaps someone should start their own MorphOS magazine?"
Well, then they've either not heard of it yet or have already made up their minds against it. A MOS magazine would be nice someday, but I hope there will always be sources of information that cover Amiga, MOS, and the emulations... Aren't they all, ultimately, tools toward the same purpose? (and I'm not just talking about alternatives to M$ either) I hate the way everything's gotten so political around here! Can't we "nurture" all of these efforts until they take on their own identities and grow apart naturally? Do we need to constantly and deliberately dig deeper the rift between all groups trying to create a modern Amiga-like experience?
The M-day has come! : Comment 30 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Sam "Bifford the Youngest" Byford on 05-Oct-2002 03:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Casey R Williams):
"Maybe they should call it "Partial AMIGA" if their focus is so narrow as to not see MOS' relevance to Amiga users..."
*Sigh*. Why do people not listen when they are told something? (or in this case read.)??
The reason that MorphOS has not been mentioned in Total Amiga is not because we do not like thier solution or think it is not an Amiga, it is because up until now we have had NO contact with the ideas, details and plans behind Thendic's work (PegasOS/MorphOS).
How can we write about things we have no knowledge of? It'd be like me asking some of the "anon" posters to Ann.lu to write about what makes a decent, respectable, not-up-their-own-arses human being. They cant do it.
Now how often did AmigActive or AmigaFormat mention Thendic I ask myself...hmm....thats right - not often!
So don't pass judgement on things you havent got a clue about please.
Sincerely,
Sam Byford.
Contributer to TA and Committee member of SEAL (helping to run WOAse).
The M-day has come! : Comment 31 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 05-Oct-2002 05:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Casey R Williams):
Casey, I tried to post a very neutral and detailed explanation why
Total Amiga Magazine does not cover MorphOS and Typically, you decided
to miss the point entirely.
It is called Total Amiga because it focuses on Amiga only, if we
started featuring MorphOS then perhaps we should call it Partial
Amiga. - Duh!
As always to quote an american saying it is always easy to be an
armchair jockey. Which, forgive my impression, is exactly what you
come across as.
On the sidelines telling people how *they* should do things without
getting off your arse and doing something yourself.
We are contributing something to this community, we are Organising
WOASE, Prepare and print a Magazine and in my case, chairman of Amiga
North Thames usergroup. (the other guys run the SEAL usergroup)
Forgive my direct bluntness, but what, apart from criticising, are you
contributing to the community?
Get off the sidelines and do something useful like a MorphOS
magazine.
Personally, I give up, I fully expect to be flamed by armchair MorphOS
fanatics.
As Sam has already pointed out, we do not have much interest in MorphOS, we haven't seen it running yet and we
will have a better idea of MorphOS once we have seen it running at
WOASE. - We are keeping an open mind. Something some MorphOS
supporters seem to be lacking.
Mikey C
The M-day has come! : Comment 32 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Oct-2002 06:24 GMT
This sounds like what the Betatester "Phase 1" was supposed to be about.
The M-day has come! : Comment 33 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Oct-2002 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Casey R Williams):
'I hate the way everything's gotten so political around here! Can't we "nurture" all of these efforts until they take on their own identities and grow apart naturally? Do we need to constantly and deliberately dig deeper the rift between all groups trying to create a modern Amiga-like experience?'
You rightly state that Amiga news posts do, all too often now, turn into pointless arguments about products not released - and your comment isn't helping. You say that you're interested in 'nurturing' all efforts and that people are creating 'rifts'. So what do you go and do? You openly rubbish one of the few remaining decent Amiga publications left. The organisers of Total Amiga Magazine also have strong links to the most popular UK shows and as such are a vital conduit to existing Amiga users. If you want to help 'nurture' new Amiga spin-off ideas then you need these people on your side.
Why can't you offer to help them construct a review of the MOS system when it's been released or perhaps suggest a new column for the magazine - or even start your own MOS-focused one?
All of these suggestions would be conducive to everyone benefiting from what everyone else has to say - you totally miss the point of your own argument.
---
Sam
The M-day has come! : Comment 34 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 05-Oct-2002 09:02 GMT
Hmmm... I'm not sure to understand but I guess, as MOS 1.0
will be released soon and available to resellers, that the
OS reached a "stable" and "final" status, but that they are still
looking for betatesters for the next mods / additions to the system.
not "crucial" elements I guess...
You can consider it as a first release, which will be followed by
"boing bags"... ?
Anyone to confirm this ?
The M-day has come! : Comment 35 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Oct-2002 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (mahen):
Its just an attempt to create yet another buzz prior to a "beta" release in December
( no sign of MOS 1.0 just yet ).
Same stuff, same methods of "attracting" the developer community ( which has long since
left the platform )
The M-day has come! : Comment 36 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Me on 05-Oct-2002 09:44 GMT
All this is is Thendics way of getting them selves back in the picture after Hyperions news about PPCboot.:p
The M-day has come! : Comment 37 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 05-Oct-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Mikey C):
>It is called Total Amiga because it focuses on Amiga only, if we
>started featuring MorphOS then perhaps we should call it Partial
>Amiga. - Duh!
Yeah, well, I guess that is where some people disagree with you. I really commend you for your efforts concerning events and editorial coverage of things Amiga, and I wish you the best of luck with those endeavours. However, I do have to agree with the people who object to the quote above.
I personally feel that covering the activities surrounding this community is extremely easy. Well, that is my personal opinion. It is not hard to draw boundaries if one is not overly keen on politics. I personally can easily identify a number of "camps" that I'd consider part of the Amiga community and technologies that relate to Amiga.
These are AmigaOS and related technology such as Classic Amiga and AmigaOne, the AmigaDE due to its Amiga Inc. connection, AROS due to its heritage and its AmigaOS compatibility, Amithlon/AmigaOSXL/UAE/Amiga Forever due to their Amiga emulation capabilities, and MorphOS/Pegasos due to its heritage, Amiga compatibility, ability to run on Amigas etc.
Browsing the Amiga forums and newsgroups these days it is quite easy, in my opinion, at least for the liberal mind, to see these things forming a group of issues that has one thing in common - they are all related to the Amiga, and are of interest to some or all of the people that associate themselves with the Amiga community, whatever that may be.
One can, obviously, throw in the argument that "well then, why not just add Linux, Mac and Windows" to this group as well, but I do not believe any of them has really such a strong connection to the Amiga as the technologies listed above. I think the major differentiating factor being the Amiga compatibility and heritage. However, that being said, covering Linux and Mac and even Windows as far as they relate to the technologies above does make some sense - i.e. e.g. I'm sure no one here would object to reviewing Mac emulation in an Amiga magazine.
So, from my perspective, there clearly is a group of technologies that stand separated from the mainstream and other non-mainstream groups. I'm personally not choosing any sides, nor am I making claims on what the definite Amiga or what is not. I recognize the trademarks, but I also recognize huge efforts elsewhere to cater for the needs of the community that has been mistreated for so long. As much as anyone, I hate to see people not get along, but I still feel the alternative technologies have every right to be here.
So, I do encourage you to keep an open your mind to the concept of covering under the name Total Amiga more than just products flowing from the official source. No matter how much many of us would like to the Commodore days when it was clear to define an Amiga, things have changed. Custom technology is no longer the keyword, and even on the software side we have much more alternatives. Covering this in an Amiga magazine would be, in my opinion, a reasonable thing to do. Your implication that these things are not part of a "totally Amiga" experience, is in my opinion inaccurate.
Feel free to disagree, though. I have made my case above and I look forward to your reply. And I look forward to hearing from your experiences at WOASE as well, perhaps that experience will strenghten your openmindedness. I hope so, at least. Perhaps someone working on your magazine could download MorphOS for their Amiga...? Its not like reviewing softare running Amigas is not Amiga related? :-)
Having said all this, I do recognize the difficulty of finding skilled and motivated people to write articles, but I think making the effort of opening the magazine to these kinds of things could bear fruit in this regard as well?
As for personal contributions, this is exactly the policy (or more precisely, lack there of) we have been employing in our own user group and e-zine activities here in Finland. Everybody is welcome. Every alternative is considered and given the opportunity to grow and get attention. People can then choose and make up their minds, and the markets will decide what lives and what does not. So, before anyone claims me to be an armchair critic, let me reiterate: I'm walking the walk.
So, in closing, good luck to your efforts! I'm thrilled to see so many user group activities these days all around the world.
The M-day has come! : Comment 38 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 05-Oct-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Janne Sirén):
> Feel free to disagree, though. I have made my case above and I look forward
> to your reply. And I look forward to hearing from your experiences at WOASE
> as well, perhaps that experience will strenghten your openmindedness. I hope
> so, at least. Perhaps someone working on your magazine could download MorphOS
> for their Amiga...? Its not like reviewing softare running Amigas is not
> Amiga related? :-)
I think all this criticism is unwarranted. The people contributing to the magazine are doing so in their own time, from their own resources. It's hardly fair to demand that they review a version of MorphOS that is more than 18 months old, just because some people think it's not getting enough publicity.
If someone literate and objective were to write an article about recent MorphOS developments, I'm sure it would be considered, but so far details about MorphOS development are being kept secret under NDA lock and key, so any article would be written on the basis of speculation alone. Reviewing the old publically available MorphOS would be a waste of time, because any criticism would be met with "but that's old, we've changed and improved everything since then", and allowing for 18 months of development would mean the review would be based on speculation alone.
No one owes MorphOS/bPlan/Thendic anything. If they want coverage and attention they'll have to earn it, just like everyone else. Like Mikey said, I'm sure that the Total Amiga issue covering the WoASE show (issue 14) will have plenty of MorphOS coverage. Hopefully by the time it is released both Pegasos/MorphOS will be available to buy and review, and one of the proud new owners will be prepared to contribute a nice objective review. Same goes for AmigaOne/AmigaOS4.
The M-day has come! : Comment 39 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 05-Oct-2002 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Bill Hoggett):
>It's hardly fair to demand that they review a version of MorphOS that is
>more than 18 months old, just because some people think it's not getting
>enough publicity.
Please re-read my post if you got that impression from me. I made no demands. I simply disagreed with one comment and then went on to give suggestions on what they might do, since they said they knew nothing about MorphOS. Downloading an old beta could give them some insight and is readily available. That was the sole reason behind my suggestion. It is not like there wasn't anything the review for the past 18 months. Perhaps it is a silly suggestion now, but it was meant as a helpful pointer.
A suggestion and an encouragement, by no means a demand.
>No one owes MorphOS/bPlan/Thendic anything.
Well, not being their accountant I don't claim to know if anyone owes them anything :-), I do agree with you. However, I do feel they are a part of the Amiga market these days and as such, something to cover. Besides, you got to agree Amiga Inc. have gotten a lot of free press and support - perhaps it's not so bad to encourage people to support all the efforts?
Again, to encourage, not demand, not to say one can't choose sides and their favourite product. Mikey said he had an open mind and therefore I went on to make some suggestions that I've personally found helpful. Well, of course it was labeled as "unwarranted criticism" in this day and age, but I do still stand behind my original point of encouraging open mindedness and I believe I made a fair comment.
Well, this is what I've done with my own time and my own resources.
And I do disagree with you and others that there isn't anything to write about concerning MorphOS. I believe there is and has been. Well, as much as there is to write about many things concerning other still not readily available products in this market. Whether or not one chooses or has the people to write about them is obviously up to them and their resources, but that doesn't change the fact that there is and has been some stuff to report for ages.
I find the claim that there is nothing to write about MorphOS just plain and simply wrong. If one chooses not to write about it and makes that stand, then that is their choice and fine, but lets not pretend there is nothing to write about. OK?
Oh well, now it certainly looks like I'm rooting for MorphOS. However, that is not my intention or the case. I have no personal preference whatsoever. I don't own MorphOS and have seen it only very briefly. I doubt I'll ever get it. AmigaOS I've used for years. I'm not sure about OS4. But I do feel there are a lot of politics in the community that we'd be better without. I have found an open-minded approach a welcome one.
So, if I'm preaching anything then that is encouraging people to keep an open mind. We have a lot of talent and effort going on in this extended community of ours. Lets cherish it. All of it.
The M-day has come! : Comment 40 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Petr Krenzelok on 05-Oct-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill, slow down a bit, please, right? Janne's reaction is very open minded. And to Total Amiga folks - you seem to be biased, sorry. It is really shame you have such opinion as you presented, as you surely put much of your free time into bringing quality articles anyway.
But - working 4 or more years for Amiga Review here in Cz tought me one thing - ppl much more appreciate open talk. I was author of monthly collumns "Amiga insider", which became one of the most popular part of magazine imo. Not because of me, but because ppl appreciated they knew some info "from behind". PPl are not stupid sheep, - they do appreciate various POVs.
Bill, look - I did my job for AR free of charge, but you can't defend Total Amiga magazine's folks that way. They are interested in bringing amigans info about MOS alternative, or they are not. If they are - they should be competent enough to get some interview done, ask BPlan, Thendic, whoever, for some info. Why should Thendic first deserve their position? That's just your, imho biased POV, sorry. Would you state the same about UAE, AROS, or other Amiga related areas? I think not ...
I don't have amiga today, but for me, Amiga was always about way of life, way of thinking, openess and mostly - friends. Those ppl deserve to be informed in an open way imo, no matter if system comes from company X or company Y ...
Peace & Cheers,
-pekr-
The M-day has come! : Comment 41 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 05-Oct-2002 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Janne Sirén):
I have made some research and apparently Clubbed, the predecessor of Total Amiga, has reviewed the beta MorphOS according to their site.
>MorphOS - first impressions of the public beta version.
Kudos to them for that. Obviously the impression that MorphOS has not been covered at all in the magazine that has seemed the case judging all messages in this thread, is mistaken. This is encouraging and something I applaude them for, and obviously my suggestion in this regard was, indeed, unnecessary. Sorry about that.
You can find this list of back issues here:
http://www.totalamiga.org/backissues.html
My other points stand though. And given the fact that this magazine apparently gives room for Fleecy and Alan to discuss their future products that are as tangible or intangible as MorphOS/Pegasos, perhaps there is room for the same concerning MorphOS as well. So, anyone in the Thendic/bPlan camp, feeling up to offering your column to Total Amiga? :-)
The M-day has come! : Comment 42 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Oct-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
>Buy your Pegasos now, or lose out!!!!
Now? With a betatester conference scheduled for Dec. 16 I really doubt you'll see a final system this year. Looks like AmigaOne will be out first.
The M-day has come! : Comment 43 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Oct-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Who you?):
Finally a smart comment
The M-day has come! : Comment 44 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 05-Oct-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (mahen):
mahen typed:
> Hmmm... I'm not sure to understand but I guess, as
> MOS 1.0 will be released soon and available to
> resellers, that the OS reached a "stable" and "final"
> status, but that they are still looking for
> betatesters for the next mods / additions to the
> system. not "crucial" elements I guess...
> You can consider it as a first release, which will be
> followed by "boing bags"... ?
> Anyone to confirm this ?
Nope, no Boingbags. ;)
I think what is going on is that Thendic's vision of the system is beyond a desktop PC with OS. They want to have certain accessories for example the magnetic stripe card reader deeply integrated into the system for shopping, secure online banking, certification of whatever, gaming identification, updates and so on. So they keep the system designated beta until they are ready to roll with the whole shebang.
The M-day has come! : Comment 45 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Oct-2002 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (amigammc):
Guess what. The release dates are still valid. 12Oct for the commercial release
of Pegasos Betatester 2 in normal distributors.
The M-day has come! : Comment 46 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by daclmi@netscape.net on 05-Oct-2002 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Daniel Miller):
I disagree with Amygale that these sites who are so far not covering MorphOS and the Pegasos are engaged in misinformation. I think Amygale means they are "biased" against them. However even this is not really true. I mean these online magazines and websites are not run out of offices on Madison Avenue in New York City. In almost every case they are created in a fan's home, or by a user group, or group of fans. So the resources are limited.
In a few cases you will find bias, where the editor deliberately screens out MorphOS and Pegasos news, for his own political reasons and to heck with the benefit of the community. However in most cases it is just because no-one has stepped up to write an article yet. So I would make a friendly challenge to Amygale: write an article about Pegasos and MorphOS, get a picture, and submit your article to the editor of the website. If your article is any good I bet he will stick it on the front page!
The M-day has come! : Comment 47 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Oct-2002 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (daclmi@netscape.net):
It's a free world ( almost ) and editors can pick and choose what they put
in their magazines.
No one is stopping anyone from starting up a not for profit "Total MorphOS" or "Total Amiga Ripoff" or "Total sh**t" magazine. Well apart from the fact that it would not be able to cover costs.
On topic, yet another non news item from Thendic. Let another slipping delivery timeline. Yet another non production version of MorphOS, yet another slipped M-Day and yet another load of rubbish.
Wake the rest of up when there is something FINAL for the END USER that can BE BOUGHT OFF THE SHELF.
The M-day has come! : Comment 48 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 05-Oct-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Rob):
"Hi Bill!"
Yes, looks like him, doesn't it? Hasn't he been posting anonymously really quite often these days?
But of course, if it *was* him, he wouldn't have posted anything as dumb and inflammatory as that, since it's well-known that he asked Alan Redhouse about Eyetech selling the Pegasos in the UK when they were both at Tain l'Hermitage last month, and Alan's reply was: "OK, if Thendic agrees to distribute the AmigaOne".
Apparently they're still getting back to him on that one :-D
The M-day has come! : Comment 49 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 05-Oct-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (anarchic_teapot):
"Apparently they're still getting back to him on that one :-D"
Nah they're still upset that alan has a sense of humour and they don't have half of one to share between they're "camp" .
/corpse - "Close , but no cigar ;0"
The M-day has come! : Comment 50 of 114ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 05-Oct-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (anarchic_teapot):
Sorry I don't think Bill is german. Do an nslookup on the IP and you'll that it can't be him.
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