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OULU, FINLAND - October 7th, 2002 - Finnish Amiga Users Group's annual meeting was held in Oulu, Finland on September 28th, 2002. The meeting was visited by some 60 people and this well exceeded last years visitor count. Both Pegasos and AmigaOne were demonstrated at the meeting. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos

OULU, FINLAND - October 7th, 2002 - Finnish Amiga Users Group's annual meeting was held in Oulu, Finland on September 28th, 2002. The meeting was visited by some 60 people and this well exceeded last years visitor count. This didn't come as a surprise, even though the location was a bit remote for people living in the more populated south of Finland. After all, the users group had a lot more to show this year.

Travelling all the way from Holland, Sharwin and Rakesh Raghoebardayal of Coyote Flux/Thendic France, were there to demonstrate MorphOS on the Pegasos. This was the first public demonstration of Pegasos in Finland. Sharwin and Rakesh spent the entire afternoon showing off the speed and capabilities of their machine. Impressive demonstrations included J Miner, a photogrammetry software that created 3D images out of 2D photographs, and various features of MorphOS and emulation software.

Also on hand to discuss their work on MorphOS were the Finnish developers and long-time Amiga enthusiasts Teemu Suikki and Harry Sintonen. They travelled quite a distance as well, paid by Thendic France. Tomi Ollila of the original AmiTCP group was also present at the venue. Discussions about computer technology, operating systems and life in general were rampant throughout the day. Finnish Amiga Users Group offered free refreshments to all visitors, and some of the people went on to continue the discussions at a dinner later that night.

Gentle Eye Ky, the only active Amiga dealer in Finland, was also present with some of their inventory and two interesting pieces of new technology. The AmigaOneG3-SE and a prototype AmigaOne-XE motherboards were on display. Unfortunately the AmigaOneG3-SE had no working BIOS and the AmigaOne-XE, which was all ready to go and hooked up, didn't boot Linux all the way. This may be due to a configuration error or the fact that it was only a prototype. It was interesting to see AmigaOne there anyway.

Finnish Amiga Users Group also held their official annual meeting and the club is moving ahead with the help of new people and new ideas - although more input and involvement is always welcome. The event was covered on the Internet via IRC, a Shoutcast audio connection, digital photography and a webcam. Unfortunately technical problems delayed these services quite a bit. More photographs and notes from the meeting will be made available via the users group website (http://saku.amigafin.org) and the Saku e-zine.

Finnish Amiga Users Group is interested in showcasing all progress made in the extended Amiga community. In addition to the above-mentioned people, Amiga Inc. was also invited to participate. We were frequently asked about this by our members and visitors, but unfortunately Amiga Inc. did not respond to emails from group officials this time. We hope to display AmigaDE and other products from Amiga in the future, like we did last year with our demonstartions of the Party Pack and the AmigaDE Player.

If you or your company are interested in getting in touch with Finnish Amiga users, please contact the chairman of the Finnish Amiga Users Group, Anu Seilonen, at thoriel@sci.fi to organize something. You do not have to come here in person, we are happy to demonstrate products for you at our meetings. Finnish Amiga Users Group is operated by volunteers interested in supporting a common hobby, so our services are usually free of charge.

The Finnish Amiga Users Group would like to extend its warmest thank you to those who supported our meeting and made it a truly memorable event. We look forward to bringing together like-minded computer hobbyists in the future as well.

About Finnish Amiga Users Group

Finnish Amiga Users Group (officially Suomen Amiga-käyttäjät ry.) is a registered, non-profit organization dedicated to helping Finnish Amiga computer users by preserving and advancing the Amiga hobby and knowledge of the Amiga computing platform in Finland. The group aims to reach its goals through volunteer efforts such as organizing events and publishing an e-zine called Saku.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 1 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Mahen on 08-Oct-2002 07:25 GMT
Thanks for the report.
I like the way you speak - impartial, objective, positive. That
should always be so !
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 2 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Mediator on 08-Oct-2002 09:44 GMT
Yes, I appreciate the report from Finland.
Here is what I see:
1. The Pegasos running different versions of PPC Linux and Mac-on-Linux -- not just one version....sometimes.
2. MorphOS being acclaimed as running very well and with many applications from not only Finland, but from third-party sources in France, Germany, Italy, Sweden and other countries.
3. An application list that grows daily on the thendic france website
4. An active and interesting marketing campaign from Thendic/bplan that according to MorphOS-News.de includes thousands of Euros in contest money for the Betatester Conference and travel and lodging expenses for *100* developers to come to Frankfurt! Plus, even a kids football team sponsorship.
On the other side I see:
1. Only FUD about the legality of MorphOS, but NO LEGAL ACTION TAKEN AGAINST IT.
2. Personal attacks against the key players but no substantive criticisms.
3. OS4 not close to release. The BIOS was just finished!
4. An AmigaOne that is the intellectual property of a company in China or California -- in any case the name is Mai not "Amiga"
5. No significant marketing effort and NOTHING from Amiga Inc.
These are just the facts and an observation of an interested user.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 3 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 08-Oct-2002 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mediator):
And the circus starts again.
What will it be this time? 500+ posts of flamewar?
/Björn
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 4 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Björn Hagström):
You're right. However its a difficult position.
1) Let this BS stand as it is, thereby silently agreeing to it and possibly having some unknowing soul actually believe it.
2) Arguing with all of that (again), just to be called a flamer afterwards.
Oh well, lets see if more of those types show up.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 5 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 08-Oct-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mediator):
100% agreed.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 6 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 08-Oct-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
I'm sure they will line up here just nicely as they usually do.
/Björn
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 7 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Oct-2002 11:43 GMT
I wonder if all the people waiting for os4 and it dosen't arrive by christmas will buy mos or keep waiting?
i'm confused by thendic marketing is mos1.0 still regarded as beta?
i didin't see the post as flamebait as it stated observable facts.
The person did not put his opinion in the summary or the title.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 8 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Oct-2002 11:56 GMT
i support hyperion and the work they are doing with os4
but you would have to blind not to see that the morph team have achieved teh basic goals first.
ithough hopefully some compromise can be reached when both products are out in tthe market
let the user decide and if the market is too small for an even split then they will have to colaborate
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 9 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Oct-2002 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (cheesegrate):
"i support hyperion and the work they are doing with os4
but you would have to blind not to see that the morph team have achieved teh basic goals first."
First in .. First Out.
"ithough hopefully some compromise can be reached when both products are out in tthe market
let the user decide and if the market is too small for an even split then they will have to colaborate"
Why do morphos and amigaOS have to be compaired at all , there are plenty of oses that are compatiable with and run another OS'es applications, You rarely find people bitching about *BSD being better then another and each party has their own community.
It all comes down to how much you think morphos has to do with amiga .. Personally i think the point at which morphOS was an *Amiga* product has passed , its something of its own and to forever live in the amiga shadow wouldn't do it any justice.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 10 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by pVC on 08-Oct-2002 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cOrpse):
"It all comes down to how much you think morphos has to do with amiga .. Personally i think the point at which morphOS was an *Amiga* product has passed , its something of its own and to forever live in the amiga shadow wouldn't do it any justice."
In your opinion, when it *was* an Amiga product? And *when* it stopped to be it? And *why*? I think that MorphOS's goal has been quite same since the beginning (when it was only hope for amigans to run their software on PPC-native OS) and I don't understand why it would stop being Amiga related product if some announcements and other products will raise...
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 11 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cheesegrate):
Well, AmigaOS 1.0 had been a kind of beta, too.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 12 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cOrpse):
"It all comes down to how much you think morphos has to do with amiga .. Personally i think the point at which morphOS was an *Amiga* product has passed , its something of its own and to forever live in the amiga shadow wouldn't do it any justice."
Personally i think that the only thing that is not Amiga like in MorphOS is the name of the OS ...
Maybe it will change (let's hope for better) for the commercial release.
MorphOS has all AmigaOS features + some extra:
MorphOS will morph. At this stage it is more like running MACOS9 carbon apps into MACOSX. Later applications will use another API like some apps use cocoa on MACOSX.
I hope AmigaOS4 will be good too. Time will tell.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 13 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mediator):
While MOS team shows 'nothing' (CandyFactory gets boring), the AOS team still woking...
We can say: The marketing of MOS is much better than Hyperion, but the matter of the fact is: i want to buy a product and not a marketing. In the present we have nothing and we cannot speculate which one will be better!! Let's wait until we can buy both, compare and decide...
And stop flaming on nothing!
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 14 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
"While MOS team shows 'nothing' (CandyFactory gets boring), the AOS team still working... "
Well, you obviously were away for months. Were you ?
If you want to stay objective you can stay that MorphOS was shown on Pegasos running a lot of the major applications we have on the Amiga.
You may also want to pint out that MorphOS has been running almost all AmigaOS apps, PowerUP apps, warpup apps for two years on PowerUP systems.
On their side the AmigaOS4 team showed some new OS4 features running on 68K.
They have just finished their kernel. I hope that soon we will see the equivalent (or better) of the first MorphOS released in year 2000.
On the MorphOS side I can not wait to test the JIT, the 3D subsystem on some other unrevealed features ...
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 15 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Oct-2002 13:41 GMT
some of you make me lol
im waiting for AmigaOs4 end of story.
you telling me to buy a next BMW just because it will be out before the next Mercadies Benz is silly.
i want the real thing & nothing else now just leave the rest of us who want amigaos4 alone & be
happy.
you want MOS then fine with me i will not try to make you want amigaos4 no matter if it was out
first.
but i want amigaos4 its my choice & mine alone now go away you narrow minded whati want & is best for
me is best for everyone eles fools.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 16 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mediator):
You start well:
" Here is what I see: "
Admitting that is your personal take and then you go and spoil it all with the
clearly incorrect:
" These are just the facts and an observation of an interested user. "
LEts take it one by one:
" 1. The Pegasos running different versions of PPC Linux and Mac-on-Linux -- not just one version....sometimes. "
So? Because distributions and version numbers are so vitally important?
"2. MorphOS being acclaimed as running very well and with many applications from not only Finland, but from third-party sources in France, Germany, Italy, Sweden and other countries. "
Claimed. Again so?
"3. An application list that grows daily on the thendic france website "
You couldnt get bigger than the application list on the Amiga Inc website - you know
the Super Mario 64 one? Lists are just lists and what is there are hardly killer applications. Ill
believe it when I see the reviews ( of released products ).
"4. An active and interesting marketing campaign from Thendic/bplan that according to MorphOS-News.de includes thousands of Euros in contest money
for the Betatester Conference and travel and lodging expenses for *100* developers to come to Frankfurt! Plus, even a kids football team sponsorship. "
Oh bless my soul Mr Peebles its like a Dickens novel. Active and interesting like
sponsering keywords? Active and interesting by barrages of "press releases" rehashing the
same old? Active and interesting by posting confidential business correspondance on
a public forum? Active .... e.g. you are applying selective filters bud.
" On the other side I see:
1. Only FUD about the legality of MorphOS, but NO LEGAL ACTION TAKEN AGAINST IT. "
Who knows what they are doing? Who knows if it is FUD? Frankly I dont really care
and I dont think the episode
"2. Personal attacks against the key players but no substantive criticisms. "
Who they? You mean the personal attacks against Fleecy, Ben, Hans Joerg or are
we talking about the barrage of anger unleased at Bill? Or the kiddies that use "Amino"
instead of Amiga Inc. Or are we talking about the fact that a lot of people do
not really like Ralph for reasons that never really seem totally clear? Theres
shit on both sides dude and you are walking around with one eye shut.
"3. OS4 not close to release. The BIOS was just finished! "
MorphOS not close to release. Oh YES thats right in ignorant Fanatic Amiga User
Land you write the BIOS before you start on anything else. Project management and
concurrenct software development is only something that you do if you are writing
MorphOS.
"4. An AmigaOne that is the intellectual property of a company in China or California -- in any case the name is Mai not "Amiga" "
SO???????? What has this got to do with the price of fish?
"5. No significant marketing effort and NOTHING from Amiga Inc. "
Im not sure I agree. Do you want Hyperion to sponser a five-aside-football team?
Maybe, just maybe unlike Thendic and actually LIKE B-Plan they dont shoot their
mouths off ( much ) until they have something done ( Hyperion and Eyetech ). In fact
loudmouths on here will say in follow up to this that Amiga Inc does NOTHING but
market.
The FACTS as you put them are: Nothing production ready from either "side" and a
bunch of juvenile dickheads mouthing off on fora.
So no change there then.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 17 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Christophe Decanini):
"lot of the major applications we have on the Amiga. "
No such thing as a major application on the Amiga anymore. There are applications
that are major for an Amiga - but really that list is dismal.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 18 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (cheesegrate):
" i support hyperion and the work they are doing with os4 "
Since when? Certainly not backed up by your long history of dumb flame-boy
antics.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 19 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Alkemyst):
You make what you want and I do not try to have you buying MorphOS or whatever.
ANN has always been open to all Amiga related platforms, MorphOS is one of them and may be for a lot of people an AmigaOS successor.
If you are attached to the brand and not the features it is up to you.
If you prefer to wait to have similar feature later it is up to you.
Some people may think differently. Some people went from Mercedes to BMW and are satisfied.
I just give my 2 cents when I see some people saying that MorphOS runs nothing or that it is completely different than AmigaOS. This is pure bullshit.
No offence but:
BTW You are in a MorphOS thread. If you are not interested in MorphOS why do you read and comment here ?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 20 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 08-Oct-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Alkemyst):
>you telling me to buy a next BMW just because it will be out before the next >Mercadies Benz is silly.
We´re telling you the story because the BMW is better equiped, can ealier be upgraded, meets the better price, is developed for years and heavily tested,
is accepted by the community for whom it was designed, hmm and did i forgot, will be released month before the (fareast licensed) 'Mercadies', the BMW was compared with...;)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 21 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Christophe Decanini):
My apologies for the last two lines, I thought we were on the computer city showed MorphOS thread.
BTW it is a shame that the AmigaOne was not even booting linux.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 22 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 14:26 GMT
Could you guys stop to post as anonymous. If you put a nick name you will still be anonymous and the comments won't be too confusing.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 23 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Christophe Decanini):
"BTW You are in a MorphOS thread. If you are not interested in MorphOS why do you read and comment here ?"
I've seen you pull this one out a few times but as far as I know you have never seen fit to flip this
on its head and say to the cheesegrates, mahens and evas of this world:
"BTW You are in a Amiga thread. If you are not interested in Amiga why do you read and comment here?"
Either its a valid point and cuts both ways or its not and its just a silly aside to
try and make another feel small.
You pick. If you want that level of segregation amongst the readership then it really
needs to be two seperate sites, authenticated users and all the bells and whistles. If not
quit whining.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 24 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 08-Oct-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
> Well, AmigaOS 1.0 had been a kind of beta, too.
Well, Windows XP isn't considered beta, and still it's being updated all the time...
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 25 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Jupp3):
Beta is an overloaded term. Pre-production hits the spot.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 26 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
I would really want that the people that hate Pegasos/MorphOS or hate AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 stops polluting in each other threads.
It is valid for both sides. I also condamn all kind of insults or bad attitude coming from both sides.
I also would like that some people actualy get enough balls to put their real names, but it wont happen in a world of anonymous cowards ;)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 27 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Christophe Decanini):
But there you go again, "each others threads" as if information and commentary
is owned by one section of the populace with a common opinion on the matter.
I would rather see less bull and see more facts but keep the ability for anyone to
comment on any topic they see fit to have an opinion on.
In fact to take your comment to a logical conclusion you are saying that
AmigaOS and MorphOS are two seperate operating systems with nothing in common
and that the potential users of either should just keep apart? If only!
Won't happen. Both Thendic and Amiga Inc are dipping from the same well and whilst
neither of them have actually released any real products yet this will continue until
one or the other dies or they both go on to a seperate future ( which they must because
AOS4.0 applications will not be compatible with MorphOS applications and visa versa ).
In the meantime we will have the Evas of this world making up stupid stuff about
MorphOS being faster and AOS4 being just a 68k emulator and Samface deriding anything
MorphOS - oh and both sides claiming that the other has done X bad thing but when their
side does it its a good thing.
Childish but inevitable. :-(
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 28 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 08-Oct-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
How about a FAQ that satisfies both sides with just the FACTS in it and none
of the childish balls that has sprung up around it, then when someone posts
something lame just post a disclaimer and a link to the FAQ:
"In this thread there are potential distortions of the known facts to serve
political ends and in some cases incite a flame war. Please refer to the
MorphOS and AmigaOS FAQ here [link]".
Then both sides will be satisfied that random user Z wont come in and read untruth X
posted by lamer Y without being forewarned that it might not be the fact. The
fear that someone might take the rubbish as fact is what keeps most flamewars going
"no he didnt he said B".
Naah, naive.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 29 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Ok. I have to be clearer here.
I wished all of us would be interested by both AmigaOS4 and MorphOS, (and AROS, Amithlon ...) as they share a lot of features, heritage ...
But for those that want to be on one side only I ask to not go in the other camp (that's how they see it) thread.
Constructive critism is good, insulting people, telling bullshit, and saying X rulez Y suckz is not interesting at all.
And sometimes I wish I did not write anything because it makes it even worse.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 30 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Christophe Decanini):
No, doesnt make it worse ( I dont see that at all ) just you start out
on a journey that sometimes you seem reluctant to finish.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 31 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Digby):
An objective list of (existing and promised) features comparing the two OS/HW would be a nice idea. Does anyone want to do it ?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 32 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Christophe Decanini):
You mean something like that biased table Elbox put up to compare the different PCI solutions?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 33 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 08-Oct-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Christophe Decanini):
Not just comparing the features but also talking about the plain facts
surrounding the whole "MOS is illegal" baloney and the "Amino" and "the name" trash.
MorphOS vs AmigaOS
1. What we know about MorphOS
a. It is OS3.1 68k application compatible.
b. It will run a new generation of MorphOS PPC applications.
c. It will come bundled with Pegasos hardware on release.
d. It is currently not available to the general public.
e. It will not be ( initially ) compatible with AmigaOS4.
f. Expected to be released sometime in December, 2002.
g. 68k is emulated, PPC runs native.
2. What we know about AmigaOS4
a. It is OS3.x 68k application compatible.
b. It will run a new generation of AmigaOS PPC applications.
c. It will come bundled with AmigaONE hardware on release.
d. It is currently not available to the general public.
e. It will not be ( initially ) compatible with MorphOS.
f. Expected to be released "before christmas 2002".
g. 68k is emulated, PPC runs native and there are some non critical libraries still expected to be 68k.
3. Who is behind MorphOS
a. It is a BPlan project.
b. Ralph Schmidt, based on a concept from the PhaseV days.
4. Who is behind AmigaOS4
a. It is a Hyperion project comissioned by Amiga Inc.
b. It uses the Amiga OS3.x sources released officially by Amiga Inc.
5. Tell me more about the bundling scheme for MorphOS
a. MorphOS, to the best of my knowledge, will come with Pegasos hardware
as the first booting operating system on it. The bundle will not be
seperable.
b. No more details known by author ( help??)
6. Tell me more about the bundling scheme for AmigaOS
a. AmigaOS4.0 will be purchasable off the shelf for Blizzard PPC and Cybervision PPC card owners.
b. AmigaOS4.0 will be supplied with AmigaONE certified hardware only.
7. What do you mean "certified AmigaONE"
a. AmigaONEs are just hardware that has been licensed for use with AmigaOS4.0
and have been through a branding and certification scheme.
b. AmigaONEs in the current generation are stock PPC motherboards with an
"anti-piracy" feature locking the board to a particular installation of AmigAOS4.0.
8. What is this "legal stink" or "FUD" between Amiga INC and MorphOS
a. No real facts are known, at this stage it is all conjecture apart from
allegation and counter allegation made on public fora by people that should know
better.
b. It is claimed by some that those behind MorphOS made "illegal" use of
AmigaOS sources to create MorphOS. To this date no evidence has been presented
publically to substantiate this claim and so should be considered with skepticism
by the reader.
c. It is claimed by some that Haage&Partner will not let Amiga INC use the AmigaOS 3.5+
source. No details are available to the public on this either.
9. Why the FUD war?
a. It is in the interest of each party that both sides have their extremist
advocates that spread misinformation and innuendo to undermine the credibility
of each solution. We ask you to judge the products by their merits on release
and stay above such behaviour.
b. Its business, look for the intent behind the innuendo and treat everything
reported as fact ( including this FAQ ) with guarded suspiscion.
10. What can I do?
a. Point out this FAQ, keep it up to date and try to keep an eye on the antics
of the marketing cohorts AKA trolls AKA advocates that spread anything other
than the basic facts.
b. Keep to the facts yourself and only follow up with flamebait with a link to this
FAQ.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 34 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by X on 08-Oct-2002 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Digby):
Very good summary! :)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 35 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by RAG on 08-Oct-2002 16:33 GMT
Howdy!
II haven't been following the MorphOS news to closely the last couple of months but as the report points out that MorphOS was demoed with some apps I guess there have to be some screenshots somewhere? Anyone knows some links to some shots?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 36 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 08-Oct-2002 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Christophe Decanini):
PPCBoot 1.1.6 (Oct 7 2002 - 14:42:48)
CPU: 750CXe v2.4 @ 450 MHz
Board: AmigaOneG3SE
DRAM: 256 MB
FLASH: 0 kB
VGA: OK
In: serial
Out: serial
Err: serial
IDE: Bus 0: OK
Device 0: Model: ST36422A Firm: 3.02 Ser#: 5AC0GG8L
Type: Hard Disk
Capacity: 6103.7 MB5.9 GB (12500460 x 512)
Device 1: Vendor: MITSUMI Prod.: CD-ROM FX4824T!B Rev: Q01E
Type: Removable CD ROM
Capacity: not available
Device 2: not available
Device 3: not available
Net: 3Com 3c920c#0
AT Keyboard initialized
=> tftpboot
ARP broadcast 1
TFTP from server 192.168.0.4; our IP address is 192.168.0.5
Filename '/tftpboot/vmlinux'.
Load address: 0x500000
Loading: #################################################################
[SNIPPPED LOADS OF #]
###############################
done
Bytes transferred18126196 (1149574 hex)
=> bootm
## Booting image at 00500000 ...
Image Name: Linux Kernel 2.4.19
Created: 2002-10-07 21:48:39 UTC
Image Type: PowerPC Linux Multi-File Image (uncompressed)
Data Size: 18126132 Bytes17701 kB = 17 MB
Load Address: 00000000
Entry Point: 00000000
Contents:
Image 0: 1742120 Bytes1701 kB = 1 MB
Image 1: 16384000 Bytes16000 kB = 15 MB
Verifying Checksum ... OK
Loading Multi-File Image ... OK
Loading Ramdisk to 02e20000, end 03dc0000 ... OK
Memory BAT mapping: BAT2=64Mb, BAT3=0Mb, residual: 0Mb
Total memory64MB; using 256kB for hash table (at c0200000)
Linux version 2.4.19 (hfrieden@whitestar) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #156 Mon Okt 7 23:42:55 MEST 2002
Creating PCI host controller
On node 0 totalpages: 16384
zone(0): 16384 pages.
zone(1): 0 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: root=/dev/ram rw ramdisk=17000
Calibrating delay loop... 897.84 BogoMIPS
Memory: 46624k available (1240k kernel code, 568k data, 68k init, 0k highmem)
Dentry cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Inode cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent
Unknown bridge resource 2: assuming transparent
PCI:00:06.0: Resource 0: 00801000-0080107f (f=101)
PCI:00:06.0: Resource 1: 82000000-8200007f (f=200)
PCI:00:07.1: Resource 4: 0000cc00-0000cc0f (f=101)
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 00:07.1
PCI:00:07.2: Resource 4: 00801080-0080109f (f=101)
PCI:00:07.3: Resource 4: 008010a0-008010bf (f=101)
PCI:00:07.5: Resource 0: 00801100-008011ff (f=101)
PCI:00:07.5: Resource 1: 00801200-00801203 (f=101)
PCI:00:07.5: Resource 2: 00801204-00801207 (f=101)
PCI:01:00.0: Resource 0: 80000000-80ffffff (f=200)
PCI:01:00.0: Resource 1: 81000000-81ffffff (f=1208)
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
Starting kswapd
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq3) is a 16450
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:07.1
VP_IDE: simplex device: DMA disabled
ide0: VP_IDE Bus-Master DMA disabled (BIOS)
ide1: BM-DMA at 0x800008-0x80000f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 17000K size 1024 blocksize
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
00:06.0: 3Com PCI 3c905C Tornado at 0x801000. Vers LK1.1.16
usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
usb.c: registered new driver hub
usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 23:44:51 Oct 7 2002
usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled
usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
usb.c: registered new driver hiddev
usb.c: registered new driver hid
hid-core.c: v1.8.1 Andreas Gal, Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>
hid-core.c: USB HID support drivers
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096)
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0
RAMDISK: Loading 16000 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk...
Freeing initrd memory: 16000k freed
EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Freeing unused kernel memory: 68k init
[9;0][8]Yellow Dog install init version 2.2 starting
mounting /proc filesystem... done
mounting /proc/bus/usb filesystem... done
opening /proc/cmdline... done
checking command line arguments... done
checking for NFS root filesystem...no
trying to remount root filesystem read write... done
checking for writeable /tmp... yes
[...]
(I hope this comes out readable)
Here you are. The AmigaOne booting Linux. So what? Are we happy now?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 37 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 08-Oct-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Oh, and before anyone complains about the bogomips, I did run the board at 450 MHz CPU/100 MHz FSB since I didn't have a PC133 SIMM around :-)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 38 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Oct-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Christophe Decanini):
now lern to READ look at the topic
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 39 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 08-Oct-2002 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Digby):
if you want this up on the web somewhere, email me and I'll make it so.
you can have access to the site for updates etc.
give me a holler if this sounds good.
really good work, really nice initiative too!
wbr
Andreas Loong
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 40 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Good Hans-Joerg !
I was only refering to the original post. Having two Amigaone not booting any OS at a show is a shame if they could have done it.
Nice to see that you are loading the kernel through TFTP boot.
Now if you could tell us that you can boot the AOS4 kernel and run some native PPC workbench on top of it, that would be great.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 41 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Digby):
Great. If someone could put that on a web site, add more information, correct anything if wrong :)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 42 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (reflect):
OOOPS as alkemist said I need to learn how to read.
Maybe I should not comment here while doing something else.
Shame on me !
It would be nice if this website could come up (until everything is verified and stay objective).
Thanks.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 43 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 08-Oct-2002 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (reflect):
http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/fudbuster
Just put it up here for you to take a look. Its pop up and banner advertisingso not
a good long term solution.
Feel free to copy the html and put it up on a site.
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 44 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 08-Oct-2002 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Digby):
It's up at http://aurora.merseine.nu/fudbuster/
I've put myself as the current maintainer, since I didn't have your email.
Finally, the "silent people" has something to fight back with..
I'm accepting updates as of now..
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 45 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 08-Oct-2002 18:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
>ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq4) is a 16550A
>ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq3) is a 16450
Different chips for serial port 1 and 2? Funny.
Or is this something not uncommon (on PC MBs or other
PPC MBs)?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 46 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 08-Oct-2002 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Digby):
A pretty good summary.
Could I suggest one addition?
MorphOS runs all Amiga (pre OS4) PPC code as well - both WarpUp and PowerUp.
AmigaOS4, I believe, is compatible with WarpUp, but it definitly doesn't run PowerUp code.
Just a suggestion, because both OSes (are reported to) run (some) existing PPC code as well as existing 68k code :)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 47 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 08-Oct-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
And where can I double check this? :)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 48 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (reflect):
maybe Frank Wille emu will work and you will be able to run powerup apps but I'am not sure at all.
Maybe you can add who is the source of the information on each line ?
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 49 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Niclas A on 08-Oct-2002 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
>MorphOS runs all Amiga (pre OS4) PPC code as well - both WarpUp and PowerUp.
That right. MorphOS runs PowerUP software native and uses a warpup emulation library for warpup stuff (right Alkis T?)
>AmigaOS4, I believe, is compatible with WarpUp, but it definitly doesn't run PowerUp code.
WRONG! it runs WarpUP software native and because there is a PowerUP emulation library for WarpUP that would (probobly) mean that it run PowerUP stuff to like warpup dose right now on my miggy.
Please Correct me if i'm wrong.. just had to type something =)
Oh and btw i'm REALY looking forward to OS4, Thanks to all in the amigaos 4 team for putting upp with trolls and taking us in to the 21th centuri...
PS. i know my spelling suxx but hey i'm swedish =)
Finnish Amiga Users Group's Meeting Showed AmigaOne and Pegasos : Comment 50 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 08-Oct-2002 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Niclas A):
AmigaOS4 is coming with a complete PowerUp emulator? (more complete than the excellent but incomplete PowerUp emulator that ran under WarpUp, that is)
If that's true, then excellent news as that means both OSes will be compatible with all existing software.
Bear in mind, though, that the existing PowerUp emulator under WarpUp doesn't emulate all of PowerUp. MorphOS's PowerUp and WarpUp emulators both appear to be full implementations (and yes, I have tested both setups extensivly).
So if "they" (whomsoever "they" turns out to be!) have a *fully* PowerUp emulator in AmigaOS4, then excellent, I stand corrected :)
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