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[News] Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer CityANN.lu
Posted on 08-Oct-2002 14:41 GMT by Lewis Mistreated61 comments
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Here you'll find a photografic report of the Computer City Pegasos Demonstration held on October 5th in the Netherlands.
And on this page you may configure your own Pegasos box and place the order. [..] Source: Amiga-news.de

Especially take a look at this picture... very interesting indeed... ;-)

Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 1 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by DanDare on 08-Oct-2002 14:32 GMT
We don't want no steeekin preorders!
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 2 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DanDare):
So don't preorder. Just simple as that.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 3 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by DanDare on 08-Oct-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christophe Decanini):
I didn't pre-order dumb club membership to keep AInc afloat for a few months and
Im not going to pre-order dumb beta versions of products to keep anyone else
afloat either ;-) So yep. Its as simple as that.
I learnt my lesson with the BoXeR through Blittersoft.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 4 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-Oct-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DanDare):
The BoXeR, Phase5_G3, "I am Yoda", iFusion, Party-Pack were pre-payments : VERY BAD.
What we now see is a pre-order and I'm not forced to take it if it delayed, if I'll get
a system equal to the one I saw in Bremen within this this months than I'm happy.
(ordered at Vesalia)
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 5 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 08-Oct-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kronos):
"The BoXeR, Phase5_G3, "I am Yoda", iFusion, Party-Pack were pre-payments : VERY BAD. "
Also poppycock. The Party Pack was never a prepayment, but a specific offer on the AmigaDE SDK.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 6 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Oct-2002 15:35 GMT
I removed a part of the original posting from the main page- while it is not forbidden to mention a competitor in a news item about a company, it might not be the nicest thing to do.
The comment in question was: "(even if the KDH-Konfigurator is cooler! =)".
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 7 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-Oct-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (anarchic_teapot):
And alot of people bought it for one single reason: The 100$ coupon -> pre-payment.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 8 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
I thought the same thing.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 9 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by DanDare on 08-Oct-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kronos):
I agree.
Although this is starting to go somewhat off topic some seem to have a desperate
need to "pre-announce" ( e.g. M-Day is here ( when it isn't ) ) and "re-announce"
that will begin to have the opposite effect of what they intended. It has already
to me to such an extent that rather than create a buzz the whole thing has gone
stale and boring.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 10 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DanDare):
Just like the Kid that used to scream "Wolf!"...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 11 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Oct-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DanDare):
Well it looks that Thendic had / will have several important days.
First a few people got a motherboard early this year.
Then Betatester1 was first released.
Betatester2 will be be released soon.
The commercial release (MorphOS for powerup, Pegasos+MorphOS) has still to come.
Thendic did announce every of this event before they happened.
What is the M day exactely I don't know. I thought it was the commercial release but I may be wrong.
If you add to that the several shows all around Europe it makes a lot of announces.
Even if it may look redundant it is good to see so much activity after years of waiting. MorphOS may not be 100% ready for Joe user it is still improving every day.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 12 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by DanDare on 08-Oct-2002 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Christophe Decanini):
Things being shown at shows: Good
Rehash announcements of existing announcements: Bad ( boring )
Im glad you referred to the M-Day press release too because that also confused
me - is that the real release or the "beta programme second phase" kickoff lunch?
The amateurs that are the Amiga market these days seem unable to put together
a concise to the point press release that actually informs.
From Bill McEwans hyperbole to Thendics War and Peace sized monologues both
are practically inpenetrable!
Both seem to do a great job of throwing away what goodwill they gain when they
achieve something ( e.g. your list ).
Amiga Market == old deck of marked cards :-|
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 13 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Oct-2002 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Kronos):
Your are right about the Boxer etc. They never existed, besides prototypes!
But honestly who will pre-porder any P5... Sorry I mean Bplan product?
Produced at DCE by ex-Phase5 people....Says it all!
If anybody have a track record of not delivering, cheating people, outright lying, not returning calls/faxes/emails as promised its DCE/P5.
Offcourse...as long as you buy from Computercity you should be okay, it will be their job to deliver.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 14 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Oct-2002 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Troels E):
Gerald Carda makes the Pegasos.
Thomas Kneabel is the CEO of bPlan.
Is either of them in DCE? Nope. Were they ever in DCE? Nope.
Were they in P5? Yes. Were *THEY* responsible for whatever their
bosses did at Phase5? ***N.O.P.E.***.
Now stop it.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 15 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
A bad memory lives forever...unfortunately...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 16 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
And yet the only companies who ever bought us PowerPC on the Amiga were Phase 5 and DCE. These are the people we thank you for having machines to develop such things as AmigaOS 4.0 on. And for making some of the most advanced Amiga software to date possible.
I know the shortcomings of DCE. I know P5 management was incompetent at the end of day, at least to some extent. So was Commodore's. We don't see anyone crucifying Dave Haynie for it. Ralph Schmidt may have had a loud mouth in the past (learnt from that, I see - been very quiet these days and just working), but he did not run Phase 5.
Hate them all you want if you have to. Without them, though, our Amiga's would have been even more out of date than they are today. Who knows, without them any PowerPC development these days, such as AmigaOS 4.0, might not seam feasible at all for the Amiga market. Whatever their shortcomings, they did lay crucial groundwork when so few did.
Let us at least _acknowledge_ that.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 17 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 08-Oct-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
But it's just way too much fun to stop now... and only inches away from ticking quite a few people off.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 18 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Oct-2002 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Gerald Carda was Technical Director at P5.
He was one of (if not the) most influent people in Phase5 and was still talking about the upcoming G3/4 cards even when he should have been (and most likely was) aware of Phase 5's economical problems.
Phase 5 took a lot of money from people without ever delivering the G3/4 cards and DCE.. Well their support are well known to be the worst seen in the Amiga market. I really don't think anybody should support these people/companies, they don't desere it.
Offcourse if they show us that they are changing their habits I might consider them later, but these guys have A LOT to prove before I trust them.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 19 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Oct-2002 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Troels E):
Let me ask you something.
If P5 didn't exist, would we post in that thread right now? Would that
site still exist? Would OS4 & MorphOS be in development?
Would we have 2 3D APIs? Would Hyperion be ever founded? bPlan? xyz other
companies? Would 3D PPC (and hw accelerated if you want) games exist?
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
They deserve some respect....
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 20 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Oct-2002 20:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Why do you ask me a question and answer it yourself:-)
Phase 5 do reserve some respect.. for their hardware designs. Their PPC cards certainly gave the Amiga a new 2nd chance. Having said that I'm not sure it would have died if they weren't there. Might just have developed in another direction or others might have produced PPC cards, there's no way of knowing that.
Anyway their way of doing business was (and for DCE, IS) not respectfull.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 21 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Oct-2002 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>They deserve some respect....
correct me if im wrong...
...one needs to earn respect...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 22 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (catohagen):
>...one needs to earn respect...
Agreed. And in my opinion Phase 5 did earn respect. They brought us the ONLY working and end-user released Amiga PowerPC solution to this date. Other people just talked. Even though they had their share of unfulfilled pipe-dreams, they did deliver this technology. These hardware solutions are the thing on which stuff like AmigaOS 4.0 and Hyperion game ports are developed on. Whatever you think of the final days of Phase 5, or the support of DCE, they still provided us with this solution when NOBODY else did.
They earned their respect. Sure, the companies have lost some of that due to their mismangement, and I can appreciate that, but downplaying the underlying technology entirely is simply being revisionist. The realisation of PowerPC on Amiga is clearly one of the things that kept the Amiga community going when nothing else did (released products wise). And, like it or not, we have ONLY Phase 5 (and later DCE) to thank for it.
Sure, this will change with the advent of AmigaOne and MorphOS, but that doesn't take away the six of seven years (!) when PowerUp (hardware) was the only way people could move forward with their Amigas. Sure, it was a hack and its weaknesses are well documented, but still, it is something people are now building on whe realizing the next generation of Amiga and Amiga compatible hardware and software.
Well, I guess this is much like Commodore. We only remember how they went down and forget that under their management we still had the most prosperous and successful years with Amiga ever. Sure, we can say that Commodore never did anything right and they were crap and all, but they still provided us with the best Amiga experience (in total) ever. Sure, they screwed up a lot, but still, nothing since has managed to come even close to the level of how things were under Commodore (and I don't mean number of customers, but the overall quality of products, relative number of products, quality service and even PR (well they used ad agenices) - as Jason Compton once so eloquently put it, something like this, they were a world class corporation after all - and people are quick to forget it).
Please, let us not get blinded by just the way they went down. There are also positive lessons to learn. From Commodore. From Phase 5.
I do wonder where AmigaOS 4.0 would be now if they didn't have had those PowerUp boards to develop it on.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 23 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Troels E):
>But honestly who will pre-porder any P5... Sorry I mean Bplan product?
>Produced at DCE by ex-Phase5 people....Says it all!
Can't you for once stop being a complete arse?
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 24 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2002 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
>I do wonder where AmigaOS 4.0 would be now if they didn't have had those PowerUp boards to develop it on
Either Amithlon would be the way to go or they could have used the H&P IBM POP board.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 25 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Keg on 08-Oct-2002 23:49 GMT
I think the Phase 5 engineers deserve some respect from us...no question. Now as for that other company - there's NO WAY IN HELL that I would buy ANYTHING produced in their production line. I've read enough horror stories about broken PPC boards etc to know not to get involved with them. And thats too bad for Pegasos. I may have considered the board, but there's no way I'll touch it knowing where it came from. Once bitten, twice shy.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 26 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 09-Oct-2002 01:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (anarchic_teapot):
>Also poppycock. The Party Pack was never a prepayment, but a specific >offer on the AmigaDE SDK.
except you didin't get any upgrades or support on the SDK
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 27 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 09-Oct-2002 01:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Troels E):
I thought the reason Phase5 ran into trouble was because Motorola
couldn't supply them with the north bridges they needed and no one was
buying any other hardware from them because they were all waiting for
G3/G4 cards.
You've got to be aware that there were circumstances beyond their
control and a solution was not available in time to save them. They
strived to bring us the best possible hardware for many years.
I think it is great that Bplan will be able realise Phase5's goal of
bringing out a PPC system I just think its a shame that its not in
conjunction with Amiga.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 28 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 09-Oct-2002 03:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
you better do your homework boy "Would Hyperion be ever founded"
go over to hyperion's site & you will see that they do work for many oses.
hyperion would still be here with or with out the amiga ever being.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 29 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (anarchic_teapot):
> Also poppycock. The Party Pack was never a prepayment, but a specific offer
> on the AmigaDE SDK.
False! Not only: you forget the 100$ for the AmigaOne/AmigaOS4...
Remember dear anarchic_teapot :
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=0992312087&category=news&28
"Amiga are offering a time-limited offer called the AmigaDE Party Pack. Basically, you buy the AmigaDE now for $99. For that $99 you get a pre- release version of the AmigaDE, the SDK and a set of sample apps and games. Then, you can choose between either having $100 off an AmigaOne 1200, OR getting both OS4.0 and 4.2 when they are respectively released. They say they are weeks away from OS4.0, the AmigaOne and v1.1 of the SDK. The offer runs out on the 16th of June. "
('AmigaOne 1200' LOL! :))
Don't forget dear anarchic_teapot.
And later the 50$ coupons...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 30 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Amygale):
>They say they are weeks away from OS4.0, the AmigaOne and v1.1 of the SDK. The
>offer runs out on the 16th of June. "
Now there indeed is an interesting quote. That was in June 2001. That is, what, 15 months ago? We're still yet to see 1.1 of the SDK in public, public release of AmigaOne (and mind you, no AmigaOne 1200 will be released ever) and certainly OS 4.0 is still under works (even if we compensate with six months for the 4.2 features as announced, "weeks" would still mean nine (!) months).
You can see the original announcement here:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/amigadepartypack.shtml
"AmigaOne PPC /1200 - On Schedule and Rockin'"
And here Eyetech pretty much contradicts that:
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/011101update.php
"However in May this year, although some work had already started on OS4.0 it became clear that the Amiga Inc’s had other priorities for the limited funding... Without a guaranteed delivery time we, Eyetech, effectively suspended the development of the AmigaOne..."
And we heard this in November 2001. Prior to which, in addition to the Party Pack announcement, in August Bill McEwen reiterated that everything was going ahead at AmiWest and he was even quoted as saying November 1st 2001 would bring us all these products. Or we can simply go on quoting amiga.com:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/080101-amiwest.shtml
"The following products were announced for release by Q4, 2001.
- AmigaOne PPC Computer
- AmigaOS 4.0 PPC Operating System
- Amiga x86 (x86 Amiga emulator)
- AmigaDE 1.0 and Series Zero Game Pack"
Sure, we got AmigaDE 1.0 and the game pack. On a web site. For our desktop (hey, it even came a week early). But not running on the Zaurus like they claimed in that announcement. Amiga x86 did materialize in a slightly different form than announcement, but then that really had nothing to do with Amiga. Kudos to Bernie for that, and H&P as well.
"There are over 3000 developers currently signed up to produce content..."
Yeah right. As has been quoted by Gary Peake, this was only people who registered in their development site. To claim that those have signed up to produce content is grossly misleading at best. How many of you people have signed up to something just to see a bit more - not to commit to anything? Am I the only one who feels that comment to be misleading?
As for AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0. Here we are, October 2002 and we are yet to see the public release of any of the above-mentioned products. What we have had, though, is another pre-sale campaing in the form of a club (or at first just pre-sale coupons).
I can understand financial difficulties. But the claims they have made in the past about release schedules (and controversial comments from their own partners) is simply making it very hard to trust anything they say. It is not just about a slippage or two. Or three. It is about massive delays with misleading PR trying to cover those up and keep people interested. They should have been more honest - especially when asking for people's money.
Well, I guess the Eyetech statement above vs. the Party Pack announcement really speaks louder than any words I could offer. Feel free to check the sources, they are coming from the horses mouths. I wouldn't blame anyone who bought the Party Pack for feeling betrayed.
If Palm got sued for saying their PDA has over 65 000 colors when in fact it allegedly only had 58 621, I wonder how long Amiga can keep this up without somebody at least contacting a consumer advocacy group or something.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 31 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 09-Oct-2002 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Keg):
Their production line also produced ALL of the PPC accelerators for the Amiga
computers.
1) Thomas Dellert isn't the designer of the cards so he "might" have made some
mistakes in the cost cut down of the revised boards.
2) He probably doesn't know how to repair all of them.
3) The Pegasos is only PRODUCED in that line... It will not be repaired by DCE,
and the production won't be supervised by DCE, but by bPlan itself...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 32 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 09-Oct-2002 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Alkemyst):
Alcemyst, it wouldn't be ever founded...
Let me tell you it's story. Ben Hermans got fed up by the fact that we
have PPC processors and 3D cards and no games to use on them except
Wipeout. So he got in contact with Steffen Haeusser who got in contact
with the Friedens. After they saw that the H2 sales were far too low to
cover the costs to licence the games, they considered making games for
other platforms as well, to back the company up financially.
That's what I know. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 33 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Gerald Carda makes the Pegasos.
>Thomas Kneabel is the CEO of bPlan.
>Is either of them in DCE? Nope. Were they ever in DCE? Nope.
>Were they in P5? Yes. Were *THEY* responsible for whatever their
>bosses did at Phase5? ***N.O.P.E.***.
You are wrong.
The full name of phase5 was: Phase5 Digital Products G.Carda, W.Dietrich GbR.
Gerald Carda was co-owner of phase5.
He is responsible for TAKING a lot of money from people and NOT delivering the things for which HE took the money in advance.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 34 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 09-Oct-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Sounds like some stuff to add to the FAQ?
Short History of BPlan
Short History of Hyperion
Short History of Eyetech
Short History of MAI
Short History of Amiga Inc.
Anyone care to fill it in and submit it sensibly?
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 35 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Hehe on 09-Oct-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Who cares, I wouldn't touch ANYTHING made at DCE....regardless of who supports it. BPLAN should have known better....
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 36 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> 3) The Pegasos is only PRODUCED in that line... It will not be repaired by
> DCE, and the production won't be supervised by DCE, but by bPlan itself...
Just a little correction: not exactly supervised by bPlan itself, in fact by Thendic-France ;). But that's the same ;).
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 37 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
> Gerald Carda was co-owner of phase5.
> He is responsible for TAKING a lot of money from people and NOT delivering
> the things for which HE took the money in advance.
Only speculations.
And a precision : don't confuse responsability of a company, and the responsability of an individual person. Phase5 (whatever its name) was a company, Gerald Carda is a person.
I'm sure that nobody is personally concerned and involved by the law regarding the bankrupt of the Phase5 company.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 38 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Amygale):
...and Gerald Carda is a comuting engineer, not a business man. I'm sure that in the Phase5 company, he was not responsible of the accounting ;)
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 39 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Amygale):
(not comuting, computing :p)
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 40 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 09-Oct-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
just cos thats the reason they got started it does not mean that they would of never got started some other way.
ppl who like to be there own bosses will always find a way to start a firm.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 41 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 09-Oct-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
put it another way i had been printing for 11 years & i have had 3 offers to start up my own printing firm buy 3 different ppl.
so if i had taken the first offer that person could not say to me if it was not for my offer you would never own your own printing firm as he does not know what the future could hold.
there are many ways to get the the same goal so dont make it as fact that hyperion whould of never been.
but what you can say IS the reason hyperion are here is because of what happened in the past.
the reason was the amiga at the time it dont mean if there was never a ppc card at the time, that Mac would not of been a reason.
there are loads of reasons that could of cotten them start so they picked one.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 42 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Amygale):
You are wrong.
Gerald Carda is personaly responsible for taking a lot of money from people and not delivering the things for which he took the money in advance.
It is because phase5 was Phase5 Digital Products G.Carda, W.Dietrich GbR.
GbR means Gesellschaft buergerlichen Rechts (society of civil right).
In contrast e.g. to the GmbH the partners of a GbR are unrestrictedly liable for debts of their company - also with their private possession.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 43 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
Are you a Lawyer ?...
If not, stop your accusations please...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 44 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Amygale):
...otherwise, prove that Gerald Carda has stolen money to somebody...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 45 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amygale):
Geral Carda is liable for all debts of Phase5 Digital Products G.Carda, W.Dietrich GbR because he was a partner in this GbR. Check: http://imdb.mmk.de/buehler/txt/0/1137
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 46 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 09-Oct-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
> Geral Carda is liable for all debts of Phase5 Digital Products G.Carda,
> W.Dietrich GbR because he was a partner in this GbR. Check:
> http://imdb.mmk.de/buehler/txt/0/1137
That's one thing. But you aren't a judge ;)
And this don't prove that Gerald Carda has "stolen" money for himself in the Phase5 * bankruptcy *...
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 47 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 09-Oct-2002 14:16 GMT
What did phase5 take money for? (preorders)
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 48 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 09-Oct-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
I pre-ordered a G4 card from Phase 5. They never took any money from
me I think the order was made by credit card.
Did the people who lost their money send cheques to Phase 5.
It is quite possible that your cheques were banked by whichever firm
of liquidators were called in. If they found a drawer full of cheques
payable to Phase 5 they would almost certainly banked them.
If Phase 5 were taking peoples money just to keep afloat or whatever
then surely they would have taken mine.
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 49 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Darren Eveland on 09-Oct-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Rob):
I pre-ordered using a credit card and they took $250.00 US off my account and I never saw that money again. This was months before they went tits up ...
So I got burnt...
Darren
Pegasos/MorphOS@Computer City : Comment 50 of 61ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 09-Oct-2002 16:43 GMT
Phase 5 took money from a lot of people, for the G3/4 cards.
Even though they told people that their money was safe in an account in trust which they wouldn't/couldn't touch before they delivered the cards.
I was told that over the phone, it was written in the media (search the net for P5 pressreleases/news). Luckily (if you can say so..)I crashed my car and couldn't afford the card:-)
And as Gerald Carda owned a part of Phase 5, he must have been well aware of this scam.
Why should I trust him (or DCE, who are notorius liars), give me one reason!
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