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Posted on 09-Oct-2002 03:08 GMT by Christophe Decanini62 comments
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Mike Bouma made an article for OSNEWS named A Closer Look at MorphOS on the PEGASOS
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 1 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 09-Oct-2002 01:22 GMT
Anyone else notice this in mike's article.
>>(mainly because the development team has had access to AmigaOS source code).
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 2 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2002 01:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cheesegrate):
Yes, I would not do such a statement without evidences.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 3 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Oct-2002 02:42 GMT
From comments:
"technical aspects asside, who in gods name could design such an ugly gui. YUCK."
LOL! It is dangerous to release screenshots!
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 4 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 09-Oct-2002 03:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (priest):
Actually, I like the GUI. Far more then anything I've seen of that butt ugly HYPEOS that I've seen to date. Guess I would have to be a Faithful Follower of The Name Cult to hate it on sight, huh?
On a Side note, I'll actually give Mikey a pat on the back. He did a fair job of doing a report, and I didn't even gag once on fluff while reading it. Now if he could be just as even handed with Amino/Amiga and HYPErion stuff? Nah, can't happen.
Dammy
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 5 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Oct-2002 03:31 GMT
http://aurora.merseine.nu/fudbuster/
http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/fudbuster
/Björn
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 6 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by S on 09-Oct-2002 03:49 GMT
The article says:
"Additionally, an AGA compatible custom chip is also planned, which should allow usage of classic AGA chipset bound software, as well as adding some new powerful features."
It's the first time I've heard that! Can someone elaborate?
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 7 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 09-Oct-2002 04:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (S):
> "Additionally, an AGA compatible custom chip is also planned, which should
> allow usage of classic AGA chipset bound software, as well as adding some
> new powerful features."
Hmm. Wasn't this the project that was written off as 'too difficult and expensive' by one incarnation of Commodore/Amiga (freudian slip removed: typed Commodire for Commodore!)and what the BoXer was supposed to address but never managed, therefore consigning the mobo to oblivion?
I think I'll want and see if it ever happens, rather like the Escena PCI card to link an A1 to an A1200.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 8 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 09-Oct-2002 04:48 GMT
not a flame ... but those icons are horrible.
Nice to see its got a WBstartup folder to ;)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 9 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 09-Oct-2002 04:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (S):
They said the AGA-compatible chipset will be used for the use in their handheld computer. It is a 2D chip, which can run AGA software, they said one of the features is extended draggable screen. Somekind of 2D layers in hardware.
Usage of the chip in the Pegasos is not their first priority right now.
Bm.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 10 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 05:00 GMT
>>(mainly because the development team has had access to AmigaOS source code).
> Yes, I would not do such a statement without evidences.
Nobody I have spoken to so far has denied this. However what is being denied is that they made *use* of this AmigaOS source code for MorphOS.
I will wait and see Bill & Raquel's (or the people at bPLan) reaction. If they feel disturbed by the mention of this particulary issue, then I will change this accordingly.
In fact the only response I have had with regard to this issue so far are claims of Amiga Inc not owning the sources or that some parts of the source code is already widely available.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 11 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bennymee):
> Usage of the chip in the Pegasos is not their first priority right now.
This custom chip isn't finished yet, the PEGASOS is. If there will ever be a PCI solution available for the PEGASOS is still to be decided. However personally I believe that would make sense, as the PEGASOS is supposed to be the development platform for the Eclipsis as well.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 12 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (cOrpse):
Shouldn't it be AMBIENTStartup folder? ;)
Yeah...I know bad joke! :)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 13 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by 0xdeadbeef on 09-Oct-2002 05:51 GMT
"The three beta-testers/developers demonstrating MorphOS had just received a new software update from the core MorphOS team, which broke compatibility with quite a few applications as well as introducing some bugs. Although the OS itself was still pretty stable, many emulated applications did not function properly. There was also a bug in the sheduling which caused performance problems while running some software titles simultaneously. For instance, window dragging with a movie playing simultaneously inside was being demonstrated and the movie indeed continued to play flawlessly while dragging, at least until it suddenly stopped playing."
LOL! I see Ralphie kid is doing the same 'good' job as we get in the P5 PPC cards... I can't wait to see what poem has he included into the core instead making a bugfree code.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 14 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (0xdeadbeef):
Note that Thendic-France only recently received this update. According to Sharwin and Rakesh, without this update MorphOS was much better with regard to classic AmigaOS software compatibility. As they are also betatesters, they will likely send a buglist to the core MorphOS team and personally I don't think it would be wishful thinking that most problems will be solved when they attend the Aachen show.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 15 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 09-Oct-2002 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (0xdeadbeef):
> LOL! I see Ralphie kid is doing the same 'good' job as we get in the P5 PPC
> cards...
I'm not sure I can ever forgive him for the ppc.library debacle;
however, these kind of problems are all a normal part of the development
cycle.
The GUI looks good, even if only an incremental step from OS3.x.
I'm sure AOS4 will be able to look as good.
5 seconds to boot up... surely that must be a warm boot ? Anyone ?
(BTW: I am neither pro MOS or pro AOS4; just pro Amiga).
koan
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 16 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (koan):
Currently the OS only takes 5 seconds to boot. The BIOS bootup currently takes another 5 seconds. So that would make 10 seconds for a total system bootup.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 17 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 09-Oct-2002 07:44 GMT
"but as Amiga Inc. had just spent almost 5 million dollars on acquiring Amiga's assets, they understandably wanted to remain the owner and fully in control of future AmigaOS releases."
You just made that up - its not a quote from anyone is it?
AFAIK Hyperion pretty much own 4.0 and if Amiga Inc went bust Hyperion would own/control it and any future releases.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 18 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ben):
No this is what Amiga Inc had to pay Gateway to get hold of the assets. With regard to Amiga Inc. ever bankrupting, Hyperion is protected. Amiga Inc has a very large interest in AmigaOS4 however, for instance source code is being shared between AmigaDE and future AmigaOS releases.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 19 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by 0xdeadbeef on 09-Oct-2002 07:55 GMT
Yeah! And I almost forgot! First i would like to see an OS which executes every 68k programs perfectly instead of running damn slow OSX stuffs...
Why am i got that kind of feeling, that MOS is a 'hackware'???
I Hope(!) AOS is not going this way...
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 20 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 09-Oct-2002 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ben):
Ben wrote:
> "but as Amiga Inc. had just spent almost 5 million dollars on
> acquiring Amiga's assets, they understandably wanted to remain
> the owner and fully in control of future AmigaOS releases."
> You just made that up - its not a quote from anyone is it
The "almost five million dollars" figure is a fiction. There was a report way back then, an Internet style report sort of like an OSNews article, that between three and four million dollars were "believed" to have been paid. You have to consider the source of such reports though. IMO even that figure is fiction.
Other offers at the time for the trademark and IP were between 55 and 125 thousand dollars IIRC...
I am not faulting Mike on this, because the five million dollar story has been circulated all over the place. I do fault him on the comment that MorphOS team had access to the Amiga source code and saying that MorphOS legal status is in doubt. That was just the little bit of FUD that he as a loyal Amiga Inc. supporter had to stick in there, in an otherwise good article.
In fact of course bPlan stated the opposite. Ralph said "3.1 technology had always been kept from us" (see interview http://linux.tc3net.com/daclmi/ralph.txt). I think there are cases where certain parts of OS 1.3 source have been published in reference books, and they had access to that. But that doen't mean Mike can make such a charge in the way he made it in the article.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 21 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
Actually these figures are not fiction. You can hear Bill state by himself: "we paid millions of dollars for this" in the following recorded MP3 speech from the AmiWest show: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1439
If you know what kind of high profile investors who had invested into Amiga Inc. you would most certainly don't think these are fairy-tales.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 22 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 09-Oct-2002 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
"We intend to have a full PPC Workbench replacement by the end of 2002. "
Seems like the "old" estimate will be about right :)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 23 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
Daniel, however I am a loyal Amiga *community fan* (I hate the recent flamewars and personal attacks though). I actually try to write articles as accurate as possible and make the best use of most of the information available to me, this to make sure my readers understand its content and reasoning behind certain events.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 24 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 09-Oct-2002 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Mike Bouma):
Don't worry. Your article is pretty good and balanced :).
Ikez
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 25 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 09-Oct-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
The delta between 3.0 and 3.1 is very small.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 26 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
Please don't twist things too much to support your own goals!
I have included the full quote from the text which is very different from the one you presented:
>In fact of course bPlan stated the opposite. Ralph said "3.1 technology had >always been kept from us" (see interview "
Tha actual quote is:
"Last September, with that in mind, we offered to license the name and eventually the Workbench 3.1 technology which had always been kept from us. "
This only states that bPlan tried to licence Workbench 3.1 (ie the missing piece for a commercial MorphOs) It doesn't say anything about the claims that
people inside the MorphOs team has seen parts of the AOS3.1 sources.
So, next time don't try to twist things by cutting texts out of their context.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 27 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 09-Oct-2002 13:42 GMT
The "millions of dollars" McEwen quote is not necessarily about the
cost just for buying the name and IP, but could readily be interpreted
as the cost for everything that has been put into the project.
About the bootup: The first 5 seconds are configurable. You can set it
to 1 second (or less, I suppose). It's just to give you a chance to
enter the boot shell if you want to change some parameters. Also: The
current betas have *lots* of debug code in them.
About the WBStartup: This is fully configurable, so you can call it
AmbientStartup if you like. ;-)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 28 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Lecta on 09-Oct-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Mike Bouma):
> Note that Thendic-France only recently received this update. According to Sharwin >and Rakesh, without this update
well, "recent" is a word they tend to use too often...
They said EXACTLY the same thing at "Pianeta Amiga 2002" (21-22 of September) to justify the frequent (and sometime "big") problems that MorphOS had with variuos Apps and also with general operations of the system (especially with the audio driver).
Anyway the boot process was very fast, about 4-5 seconds to fully boot into Ambient. And that was cool, indeed.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 29 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Johan Rönnblom):
Note that Gateway paid $15 Million for Amiga's assets, so minus some patents 4.5 - 5 million USD wasn't that bad of a deal, if only the Amiga community could have worked together that is...
After all the unfortunate things that happened and the active destroyment of the Amiga name by some overactive individuals, if they had known, I am almost sure they would have passed. (At least I would!)
If you still doubt these numbers read this early article, over at the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/06/circuits/articles/22amig.html
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 30 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Mike Bouma):
No offence but some numbers here look a bit exagerated (even for 2000):
"Some 7 million Amigas have been sold worldwide (compared with the 475 million machines running Microsoft's Windows, and 31 million Macintoshes, according to Dataquest, a market research company). And of those, some 500,000 are still used, with varying degrees of ardency"
If the lowest level of ardency is "taking dust in the basement" then maybe it is true.
I guess that the NY times reporter just reported the information he got. it is not because it is the NY Times that it is more accurate.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 31 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 09-Oct-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Mike Bouma):
Hmm, I read that NYTimes article you posted as "evidence" in your defense for reprinting that bogus 5 million total, the only source is a Bill M quote saying "in the millions". It's irrelevant anyway, your assertion that this is why MorphOS was not chosen as the basis for OS4 is quite wrong. (Just try asking someone involved with the negotiations, although I'm sure it's just easier to make bullshit up)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 32 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2002 16:14 GMT
Even one win98 machine of mine does a boot (minus bios) in 5 seconds.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 33 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Deanini on 09-Oct-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (MIKE):
Well, having a clear picture about what really happened is impossible when several people tell their side of the story.
Maybe Mike should just have done an article about MorphOS and not about the politics problems with AmigaInc.
It is still great that he did this article anyway. The next one may be better if we can do constructive criticism and not arguing on the political facts.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 34 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Christophe Deanini):
This article was mostly intended for people unfamiliar with MorphOS. IMO next to offering solely an introduction, there was a need to explain why there isn't a (simple?) partnership between these currently competing (Amiga community) companies. So, I simply gathered all the information available to me, from all the reliable sources I encountered over the years, from Petro to Francis Charig, from Bill McEwen to Jurgen Haage, from Fleecy Moss to Ben Hermans, MANY others, and filtered out all the details/disputes.
I am well aware it is impossible to please everyone, there will always be people unsatisfied with your wordings, focus or opinion, nomatter what you write.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 35 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 09-Oct-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (dammy):
" Actually, I like the GUI. Far more then anything I've seen of that butt ugly HYPEOS that I've seen to date. Guess I would have to be a Faithful Follower of The Name Cult to hate it on sight, huh?"
...errr, sorry, butalmost all GUI's i've seen of MorphOS running look pretty much
like AmigaOS. a tarted up AmigaOS, sure, eg running VisualPrefs, birdie
and one of those fancy GADTOOL hacks...but you can spot the AmigaOS GUI
traits straight away - the ratio of title bar to side bar, slider elements
etc etc
alan
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 36 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 09-Oct-2002 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (cOrpse):
...once MorphOS becomes its own OS and not just an AmigaOS clone/emulator
THEN its time to sit up and take notice...
alan
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 37 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 09-Oct-2002 17:11 GMT
Nice article Mike - well worth the read. hopefully you'll catch
the release of AmigaONE+OS4.0 and give that some treatment too! :-)
alan
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 38 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by mensa on 09-Oct-2002 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Mike Bouma):
> So, I simply gathered all the information available to me, from all the
> reliable sources I encountered over the years, from Petro to Francis Charig,
> from Bill McEwen to Jurgen Haage, from Fleecy Moss to Ben Hermans, MANY others,
> and filtered out all the details/disputes.
Perhaps it would have been productive to get some fresh input from the people behind the product you're writing an article about, and not only information gathered over the years from the competitors?
OTOH, maybe it was written this way to avoid nauseating free advertising and whoring like, oh, I dunno, like this:
"AmigaDE is a revolutionary new technology which should eventually enable ..."
"... Gary was just recovering from a heart attack himself (it happened only last month!). The fact that he continues to work with much devotion for Amiga Inc. so soon after his unfortunate health experiences, shows the amazingly dedicated spirit the AmigaDE/OS team has for realizing their dreams."
" What you can do to help ... By joining the "I am Amiga Club" for 50.00 USD, (EUR 50.00, or GBP 32.50), you will be able get a free Amiga T-shirt and a 50 USD (EUR 50.00, or GBP 32.50) discount coupon for usage with either an AmigaOS4, AmigaOS4/AmigaOne bundle or complete AmigaOne desktop computer purchase. The membership is being sold at ..."
"I am pleased to see that hunderds of people have joined the Amiga club already."
"Of course not every AmigaOS4 costumer has joined the club yet, as not everyone gets their information from Amiga websites, some people are on vacation and many others want to be able to read a review or see the finished product before making use of such a promotion. The latter is of course understandable, but it would help alot if you could show your support now."
"So if you are sure you want AmigaOS4, then please act now!"
"Finally it would be great if people would be able to make hardware/software developers, potential users and retailers aware of the soon to be released AmigaOS4 desktop multimedia operating system and the new PPC based AmigaOne hardware. "
"It is obvious that the people who already joined the "I am Amiga Club" are true AmigaOS fans."
I applaud you for your efforts to avoid filth like that! Thank you, Mike Bouma, bastion of journalistic integrity, technological competence and trustworthiness!
:-P
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 39 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Oct-2002 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (alan buxey):
IMO that was Mike's best article so far.
He does tend to be over enthusiastic about Amiga Inc products.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 40 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Mike Bouma):
Well you could just have said that the people behind MorphOS have no partnership with Amiga. Even if you try to be objective you base your opinion on AmigaInc side of the story while speaking about a competing product.
It is like being a Bill Gates friend and ask him about the last Linux distribution ;)
Nahh, bad example.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 41 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (mensa):
Look I am not a journalist. I am a Physical Therapist and *also* happen to be an AmigaOS fan. My articles are written from an Amiga community perspective, many people therefor like my articles. If I would only list facts and leave out any personality or opinions, I believe very few people would read my articles.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 42 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Oct-2002 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Christophe Decanini):
Actually this isn't Amiga's side of the story. For instance there's a significant difference between "access to AmigaOS source code" and criminal behaviour.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 43 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 09-Oct-2002 19:09 GMT
Who the hell cares how fast an OS boots up when you can hibernate (or "deep sleep") so you never have to shut down or reboot?
Save RAM contents to disk, sleep all hardware, shut downs are for pussies.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 44 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 09-Oct-2002 19:27 GMT
I fail to see why something Mike has written in other articles would
make this article any worse?
I agree that there were a couple of flaws, the allegation about
"access to sourcecode" and the "five millions", but apart from that I
don't think it's a bad article. Maybe his articles about AmigaInc
products are not as good, but then complain about those, not about
this one imo.. :)
As for bootup time: I think it's quite relevant what the actual bootup
time is, not considering any hibernation and whatever. For several
reasons, one is that hibernation is not always desirable or possible,
one is that the bootup time tells something about the "weight" of the
OS. Hibernation is a neat trick for a special purpose, but for people
who prefer a lean OS it's nice to know the performance without such
tricks. And besides: When comparing with Windows, you have to include
the time it takes to shutdown, imho.. :)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 45 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by 0xdeadbeef on 09-Oct-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (strobe):
Looks like you've never worked with windows like suxx stuffs and you are buying your machine 'in sleep mode' from the shops. :-)
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 46 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 09-Oct-2002 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Christophe Decanini):
"If the lowest level of ardency is "taking dust in the basement" then maybe it is true."
LOL. I suspect you're spot on. Funny thing though: today I took the day off work to let assorted workmen loose on my (apartment) fixtures and had a fit of "let's get some room in here". Among other worthy activities, I filled a box with assorted spare parts and left it by the door, awaiting resale or the bin.
The man who was servicing my gas boiler walked in, took one look and said "Oh, Amiga! You must know a lot about computers, then."
Not quite sure how to take that...
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 47 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Perry on 09-Oct-2002 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (strobe):
@strobe
> Save RAM contents to disk, sleep all hardware,
> shut downs are for pussies.
Some systems are badly behaved when it comes to sleep though. For example, I have an iBook and normally I put it to sleep. BUT the network software was (apparently) broken on OS 10.1.5 so that when I reawaken (as far as I can tell this is the fault) the system no longer talks to the network through ethernet without a restart. I never had this problem before 10.1.5, THANKS APPLE YET AGAIN!!!
On the other hand I can now dial out more than once without a mysterious 5- or 10-second hang.
@mike
> Actually this isn't Amiga's side of the story.
> For instance there's a significant difference
> between "access to AmigaOS source code" and
> criminal behaviour.
Like your accusers care. You wrote a great article, and that's what matters. Lots of MorphOS people are paranoid (perhaps for good reason) and when such people see that a sentence can be interpreted in a negative light, they think you are out-and-out accusing MorphOS of criminal behavior. Get used to it: people don't read what you intend them to read, they read something strange instead.
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 48 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 09-Oct-2002 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Mike Bouma):
Mike Bouma typed:
> Look I am not a journalist. I am a Physical Therapist and *also*
> happen to be an AmigaOS fan. My articles are written from an
> Amiga community perspective, many people therefor like my
> articles. If I would only list facts and leave out any
> personality or opinions, I believe very few people would read my
> articles.
Mike, I don't want that you feel criticized and that your article (which obviously took a lot of work) was a thankless task. On balance, MorphOSians should probably thank you. I mean look, there are people at OSNews saying "where do I buy one."
I just went back and reread the article and I swear it has changed since this morning. Did you insert an "allegedly" and remove an instance of "legality in doubt?" I did have an issue with some details but it is definitely a very good article. Thanks man!
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 49 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Me here! on 09-Oct-2002 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (strobe):
Listen this is windows/linux/mac bullshit, the only way to switch off the machine is shuting down the power like or old amigas did in the past, that Sleep, Hibernating and so on are crap we accepted over the years because there's no alternative, I remember when I saw Win95 for the first time in the office, and nobody could explain what the hard disk was doing all the time... My Amiga only used the HD when I was opening something, see windows using the hard disk for minutes without user intervention used to panic me.
Now over the years I got used to that rubbish filesystems, stupid virtual memory when we have 1gb of ram, etc.
For me it's time to shutdown the machine again "ala Amiga" way of life, aka unplug the power cable!
Who want to wait for the computer to shutdown???
AMIGA RULES!
OSNEWS article on MorphOS beta : Comment 50 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2002 22:48 GMT
I just want to point out that it is great that mike did this article.
I was just nitpicking on some points because it is always easy to criticize someone else article. I wish I could do similar so well written articles.
I hope to see some more articles soon about MorphOS, AmigaOS4, *thlon, AROS).
It is nice to get exposure. A lot of people get bored with mainstream operating systems.
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