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[Motd] MOTD 10/Oct/2002ANN.lu
Posted on 10-Oct-2002 20:49 GMT by Christian Kemp29 comments
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There have not been a lot of MOTD messages over the last few months. This time around, I'd like to announce that I wrote and installed a new ad system today. You shouldn't notice much of a difference, apart from some short server outages earlier on tonight. Oh, and there's a new banner, visible in the navigation bar on the right.

Apart from that, my life has been pretty busy; working fulltime, training most days of the week and [this might come as a surprise] working on script updates on a local Apache server. They should eventually be available online for further testing, but now might be the time to make requests for new features. :)

HTML4/CSS support is on my list, and won't disappear, so start bugging Amiga browser authors to finally support these long-established standards. :) Visitors will still be able to use all kinds of browsers, in fact even more so than before, it's just that the layout might look more primitive on HTML 2/3.2 browsers (read: there will be an almost complete seperation of content and layout, the latter mostly implemented via Cascading Stylesheets).

MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 1 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 10-Oct-2002 19:09 GMT
Good job Chris !
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 2 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 10-Oct-2002 19:26 GMT
Good for you CK! One way or another the Amiga browsers will start supporting <DIV><SPAN> and a magnitute of style="" tags and elements. Heck, all I want is a JavaScript engine the supports array functions without the need to declare the array nested within a function (check my notes in the rollover routine I wrote if you don't know what I'm talking about)... that and layers. A feature request, session logins and personal preferences for the visitors. Is it just me or are there a lot of Amiga users writing custom webapps these days... I know I'm one of them.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 3 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 10-Oct-2002 20:27 GMT
Hopefully we can get some CSS support into AWeb APL. We'll see if the coders are up to the task. (We could always use an extra coder!) :-)
Regards,
AWeb APL Team
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 4 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 10-Oct-2002 21:28 GMT
So long this web site never requires JavaScript I'll be happy.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 5 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Oct-2002 22:31 GMT
Better hope you have an iron-clad contract with Thendic. They might not want to pay up after PegasOS goes bust.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 6 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Paolo "Mod3m" D'Urso on 10-Oct-2002 22:53 GMT
Good, I appreciate the use of CSS, taking an eye to kep the layout visible also on Amiga browsers. :)
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 7 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 11-Oct-2002 03:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I hate to disappoint you, but they paid in advance.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 8 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by PrincipleOfTheThing on 11-Oct-2002 04:42 GMT
"now might be the time to make requests for new features"
How about old bug reports?
1. After adding a reply the links back to the thread you were reading don't work
2. The "Quicklinks" 50 post sections overlap e.g. [51-101][101-151] should be
[51-100][101-150]
3. In-reply-to links don't work for posts on a different page, because they only use the #post-number and don't change the start= number
4. When submitting an article ANN's hyperlinker is much too strict. Its parser often screws up. I eventually learned to write very carefully to avoid triggering the bugs, but frankly it should be tossed out and re-written.
Thanks in advance
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 9 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Oct-2002 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (PrincipleOfTheThing):
Suggestion:
Links such as "51-100" sould be in bold if there are new messages in
that group.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 10 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by gnarly on 11-Oct-2002 12:05 GMT
"(read: there will be an almost complete seperation of content and layout, the latter mostly implemented via Cascading Stylesheets)."
Yay! Fantastic!
Can we make it standards compliant aswell please? That'd be totally sweet (dude!) :-)
Cheers, and keep up the good work.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 11 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 11-Oct-2002 12:21 GMT
is it just on my side, or has the 'submit news'-link gone bad?
I can't submit news, not from mozilla, anyways.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 12 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 11-Oct-2002 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (gnarly):
See ckemp.com or usa.ckemp.com. Both fully conform to HTML 4.01 Strict and CSS2 standards. I plan the same for an updated ANN.lu.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 13 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 11-Oct-2002 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (reflect):
Yes, my fault. I'll fix it as soon as I get home tonight.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 14 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 11-Oct-2002 12:44 GMT
I like ANN and I like amiga.org.
I won't browse amiga.org from home because I don't
have broadband and there's too many images. Besides
their banner looks wrong in AWeb.
Thanks and keep up the good work!
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 15 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Oct-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
Both of your sites work fine on Voyager 3.2 with JS disabled, which is
what I use most. (No popups).
The text layout comes up well, in plain type with no "effects".
There are some good photos there.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 16 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 11-Oct-2002 13:21 GMT
The "add news item" seems not to work.
Anyway... a update of VisualMI (splitted in several single archives and a bonus theme) is available ;-)
Please visit http://www.masonicons.de
Mason
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 17 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 11-Oct-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Martin Merz):
Please try again now.
(But beware of the following posting rule/recommendation:
"Do not post multiple announcements of the same site/project/idea in a 28-day timeframe.")
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 18 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 11-Oct-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Christian Kemp):
Sorry forget about this...
Anyway I will just post the news to test the "Add news item" script... ;-)
Mason
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 19 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 11-Oct-2002 13:36 GMT
... now it works :-)
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 20 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 11-Oct-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Martin Merz):
... and I prompty removed your posting, since your last submission wasn't even 4 days old, and my perceived news value of this one didn't justify a front page mention.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 21 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Merz on 11-Oct-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Christian Kemp):
That are the rules... ;-)
Regards,
Mason
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 22 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 12-Oct-2002 13:56 GMT
I would like to see
[1-50][51-100][101-150]
etc links next to the story summary.
That way if comments are being followed, people do not need to go to the first page of comments to get their further links.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 23 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 12-Oct-2002 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (John Block):
I would like to see a better searching option that actually searched the entire site for
links. If for example I were to type in Ben Hermans I would like it to come
back with the list of all articles and comments by Ben and mentioning Ben.
It does not seem to do that ( or I am such a clutz I cannot do it ).
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 24 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Oct-2002 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Digby):
The Search currently only considers articles, not comments.
Searching comments would *theoretically* be possible, but I'm not sure how fast it would be, seeing how it would have to scan through (at the time of writing this) 73,343 comments (as opposed to only slightly more than 5,000 articles), with no real way to index them for faster retrieval.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 25 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 12-Oct-2002 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Christian Kemp):
I'm a fan of the FDSE software from http://www.xav.com
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 26 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2002 02:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Christian Kemp):
100 000 comments at (estimated) 200 bytes each20 000 000 bytes to be compared. That's not enough to be a problem. You might want to have some stop words & other protection against stuff that returns the entire search space as a result.
As long as your RDBMS is smart enough not to block other reads and writes while the search query considers all that text then it should be fine.
Alternatively you could switch ANN away from query strings and CGI to path URLs (only for content that is relatively static like articles, not for everything) so that Google can index it. Then people can use Google to search ANN.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 27 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Hurst on 13-Oct-2002 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
> See ckemp.com or usa.ckemp.com. Both fully conform to HTML 4.01 Strict
> and CSS2 standards. I plan the same for an updated ANN.lu.
They're nice designs, although I doubt they work too well in Netscape 4 (it doesn't handle floats well at all, nor does it enjoy reformatting lists). A bit of stylesheet modularisation with @import would help; leave basic font stuff in the core stylesheet, then @import the layout, colour etc.
I also prefer to use positioning rather than floats, since it removes dependence on markup ordering from the layout itself; meaning you can keep the content near the top of the HTML for CSSless users, rather than having to place the sidebar at the top where the user has to scroll down to skip it each time.
Anyway, if you go ahead, I might see if I can convince Mark to let me do the same with Amibench :)
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 28 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 13-Oct-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Thomas Hurst):
A lot can be achieved using server side includes.
MOTD 10/Oct/2002 : Comment 29 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Nomad of Norad on 16-Oct-2002 00:05 GMT
Another thing that would be useful to impliment:
I've noticed that on alot of peecee IM and IRC clients, if you simply type in a URL, even without the HTTP:// stuff in front of it as long as it starts with www., will automatically turn it into a clickable link. In other words, all I
have to do is type www.whatever.com (without surrounding it with <A HREF=""></A>) it will hilight it and allow others to just click on it.
Mind you, without the http:// stuff in front of it, if you DON'T prepend a www. to that whatever.com, it doesn't make it clickable, but does make it clickable if you prepend it with http://, i.e. if the URL is something like users.whatever.com instead of www.whatever.com (which is how alot of ISPs do their users' websites), you can still make it show up as a clickable link by simply typing http://users.whatever.com.
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