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[Web] MorphOS has been slashdoted !ANN.lu
Posted on 14-Oct-2002 02:58 GMT by Christophe Decanini34 comments
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Slashdot has a news item about MorphOS. Unfortunately, it is labeled as retro-computing and is not really informative.


MorphOS on slashdot
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 1 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by L8-X on 14-Oct-2002 06:40 GMT
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 2 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 14-Oct-2002 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (L8-X):
First line of the MOS 'Overview' page:
"The target of the Quark microkernel is to provide modern functionality for a new OS layer and to run as many RTG friendly applications we loved from our old Commodore(TM) A1000, A500, A2000, A1200, A3000(T) and A4000(T) systems as efficiently as possible."
Perhaps MorphOS have been overconcentrating on the Amiga compatibility and forgetting about a future direction for their OS, or at least, forgetting to tell anyone about a future direction for their OS.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 3 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2002 08:08 GMT
Why should MorphOS, a competitor to AmigaOs be treated any differently to AmigaOS? If Amiga can get Retro'd, so can it. Its based on the same platform.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 4 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 14-Oct-2002 08:29 GMT
It's okay. Thanks to ANN's dedicated cadre of haters MorphOSians have
already a wealth of experience with attack articles, and they haven't
stopped us yet. In fact the effort is gaining momentum.
I emailed the Slashdot author about the obvious defects (inappropriate
page linked, misleading comment, general ignorance) maybe some of
these defects were accidental, and will be corrected.
It is only the first Slashdot article on MorphOS.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 5 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
:-D
In fact MOS will make its appearance at Retro Computing 2002 show in Aachen/Germany later this year
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 6 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 14-Oct-2002 13:20 GMT
they realy need to update the morphos.de site or link to morphos-news.net
to the many people visiting from slashdot it looks like not much has happened in the last year.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 7 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (cheesegrate):
if they link to morphos-news.net its even worser
scnr
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 8 of 34ANN.lu
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Swearing
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 9 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Me on 14-Oct-2002 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (no):
I swear as much as the next man but that's out of order.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 10 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 14-Oct-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (no):
Do you talk like that in front of your mother?
She should make you wash your mouth out with soap and water.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 11 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 14-Oct-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lando):
*Ignore button* *Ignore button* Think we all agree that Ann will be better off with registrations.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 12 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 14-Oct-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (m0ns00n):
i agree with that.
even tho post 8 will be removed
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 13 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 14-Oct-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Alkemyst):
Done.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 14 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Oct-2002 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Daniel Miller):
"It's okay. Thanks to ANN's dedicated cadre of haters MorphOSians have
already a wealth of experience with attack articles, and they haven't
stopped us yet. In fact the effort is gaining momentum."
blah blah .
"I emailed the Slashdot *author*"
Haha now thats a good one ;)
"about the obvious defects (inappropriate page linked,"
What better site then the projects freak'in homepage?
"misleading comment, general ignorance) maybe some of
these defects were *accidental*, and will be corrected."
Maybe they weren't .. ever thought of that.
"It is only the first Slashdot article on MorphOS."
... First impressions ...
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 15 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 15-Oct-2002 05:47 GMT
"Unfortunately, it is labeled as retro-computing"
LOL! Well, that's what youy get if you clone a retro OS. :-P
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 16 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 15-Oct-2002 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (samface):
Well Samface... I thought you where smarter then this... :-)
I don't see either the AmigaOne or Pegasos as 'retro-products'... do you... ?
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 17 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 15-Oct-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gunne Steen):
"I don't see either the AmigaOne or Pegasos as 'retro-products'... do you... ?"
Something along the lines of Retro-niche would be about right.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 18 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 15-Oct-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gunne Steen):
Samface didnt say it it was.
but thats what slashdot called it.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 19 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 15-Oct-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gunne Steen):
Like Alkemyst just pointed out, that's not what I said. All I'm saying is that the MorphOS team has noone but themselves to blame for their product beeing called a "retro" OS when they reverse engineer the AmigaOS3.1 and then market the resulting product with classic AmigaOS compatibility as it's key feature. To me, "next generation" means something new, not something backwards compatible. I would have so much more respect for their efforts if they didn't reverse engineer or strive for backwards compatibility and instead created something entirely new.
Neither MorphOS or AmigaOS4 features anything new or revolutionary. But, atleast I can see a future in AmigaOS since AmigaOS4 is just a first step towards actually offering something new to this industry. MorphOS seems more like a wanna-be AmigaOS to me and doesn't offer anything new besides features that has been industry standard for several years already.
There is a world outside the one of Amiga-land, you know. If we wan to survive, they are the ones we're gonna have to impress, not ourselves.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 20 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (samface):
Neither MorphOS or AmigaOS4 features anything new or revolutionary. But, atleast I can see a future in AmigaOS since AmigaOS4 is just a first step towards actually offering something new to this industry. MorphOS seems more like a wanna-be AmigaOS to me and doesn't offer anything new besides features that has been industry standard for several years already.
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You really know nothing about the WIP behind the scene parts of MorphOS.
You already know about the JVM, which is QUITE closer to completation than
AmigaDE, to integrate in OS4.2.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 21 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yes, the JVM *IS* an industry standard, but there are other stuff as well.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 22 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Liam Proven on 15-Oct-2002 14:32 GMT
You know, it's no wonder if /. doesn't know what to say about MorphOS. The MorphOS site itself doesn't contain any decent overview of what it is.
Amiga.com does at least contain a little bit about AmigaOS and what it is and does.
Why can't you publically visible members of the Amiga community stop bitching at one another and actually contribute some helpful, informative and useful commentary, instead of just sniping?
I get just about as much useful commentary on what's happening with Amiga from /. as I do from here - and that's a very damning indictment.
This is a community site. You are the community. Stop trying to score points off one another and WRITE SOME HELPFUL AND INFORMATIVE POSTS INSTEAD.
Then maybe you can get /. to carry them and convey them to the wider world.
Sheesh...
No doubt someone will go (amongst the abuse) "what do you call helpful?"
Well:
- what is MorphOS?
- what does it run on?
- what does it run?
- what is it good for?
- what's it bad at?
- how is it related to Classic AmigaDOS/AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9/AmigaOS 4/AROS/etc.?
- is it good to use? what's good & bad about it?
- it it finished?
- how much does it cost?
- can you dual-boot with classic AmigaDOS? 3.9? 4? DE?
etc. etc. etc.
--
Liam P.
An Amiga fan since the A1000 and A1200 owner
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 23 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Liam Proven):
- what is MorphOS?
A PPC OS with an "A/Box", a AmigaOS reimplementation/wrapper.
- what does it run on?
Amiga PowerUP cards, Pegasos and AOne/TerronCX MK2 cards.
- what does it run?
Most RTG 68k software, PowerUP, WarpUP, Warp3D and native software.
- what is it good for?
Transiting to a PPC platform, while running old software FASTLY.
- what's it bad at?
- how is it related to Classic AmigaDOS/AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9/AmigaOS 4/AROS/etc.?
It's partly source compatible with 3.x and has the same feeling, and it shares
source code (of some A/Box modules) with AROS.
- is it good to use? what's good & bad about it?
Well, for me, using it is pleasurable. The bad part is that it's not 100% ready
just yet.
- it it finished?
Stable, and usuable, but not 100% ready, there are stuff to be implemented
or betatested and there are stuff internally in developement, I don't know
about. There's also a JVM WIP.
- how much does it cost?
Yet to be seen, right now it comes with the Pegasos.
- can you dual-boot with classic AmigaDOS? 3.9? 4? DE?
In Amiga computers, you can dualboot with anything that runs on it.
I don't know about DE, you can't dualboot with something that doesn't
exist:)
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 24 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Correction, on iton the machine.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 25 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 15-Oct-2002 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>You already know about the JVM
A real JVM, that supports the current version of Java? (If so, cool!). Has it been ported from Sun's JVM sources, or another company's? More info please!
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 26 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 15-Oct-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
well thats MOS teams fault for not giveing out up to date feature lists
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 27 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 15-Oct-2002 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Transiting to a PPC platform, while running old software FASTLY."
you make it sound like your moving MOS 68k to MOS PPC with that statement.
but your NOT, your Trying to tranist amiga 68k ppl to MOS PPC.
If MOS is so Great then why not give a full feature list, or are you scared that its not up to the Hype.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 28 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Alkemyst):
I'm afraid? No. You know in any side, Hyperion or bPlan, you can N.O.T. say
ANYTHING you know before you get authorization, or it's officially announced.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 29 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 15-Oct-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Well get authorization then.
or are the ppl above you scared that MOS does not live upto the hype
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 30 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Alkemyst):
They will announce everything on time. Don't be in a hurry. They have their
own schedule and will follow it.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 31 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 15-Oct-2002 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Alkemyst):
But lets face it , who in the *outside* world is going to care about amigaOs,morphOs etc etc ; its going to take a very long time , if ever to catch up with windows/linux/*BSD etc and releasing feature lists with things like JVM on them are going to make slashdotters break down in laughter.
If you think of your amiga as anything other then special , retro or niche you're kidding yourself ...
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 32 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 15-Oct-2002 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Liam Proven):
Running after the fly ball...
Liam P. typed:
- what is MorphOS?
It is a PPC processor-based OS that has a yet-to-be-properly-measured level of compatibility with classic Amiga (tm) software. There's also some MorphOS software.
- what does it run on?
The Pegasos, an alternative computer with modern hardware created by the German firm bPlan.
- what does it run?
See answer to first question.
- what is it good for?
Well, potentially it is good for anything any computer is good for. Internet apps, communication. The game Software Tycoon was just released for MorphOS.
- what's it bad at?
Well... there is stuff like printing that they are still working on, but stay tuned!
- how is it related to Classic AmigaDOS/AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9/AmigaOS 4/AROS/etc.?
I think they wanted to be as compatible as possible with 3rd party programs written for 3.1. I don't think there were many programs written for 3.5 or 3.9 that wouldn't run on 3.1. Amiga OS 4 is in development and is regarded as a competitor. The controversy surrounding MorphOS is mostly that it offers itself up as an upgrade path for classic Amiga users without being approved by the holders of the Amiga trademark.
I should also state that MorphOS is related to Amiga because its developers come from that community, and are regarded by MorphOS supporters as in tune with the spirit of that classic platform.
AROS is... well go look at their website. AROS is for X86.
- is it good to use? what's good & bad about it?
Yes. Well, you will have to wait for some impartial reviews to find out what is good and bad.
- it it finished?
It reached version 1.0 but is not finished. Thendic-France, the worldwide distributor of Pegasos and MorphOS, projected a consumer release of 2nd December, 2002 IIRC.
- how much does it cost?
If you go to www.vesalia.de you can see a range of configurations from under $600 (for the motherboard, processor card, and OS) to over $1000 (for a complete system with all the trimmings).
- can you dual-boot with classic AmigaDOS? 3.9? 4? DE?
No. No. Too soon to be certain but probably no. No.
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 33 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 16-Oct-2002 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Daniel Miller):
" should also state that MorphOS is related to Amiga because its developers come from that community, and are regarded by MorphOS supporters as in tune with the spirit of that classic platform."
so if some MicroSoft developers came from the Amiga community then we should accept windows with open arm.
Just cos ppl were in the community in the past does not mean they are good for the future when they turn to compeat.
just like many amiga users in the past that have switched to windows.
they were part of the community too, but what i see most of them do now is slag the amiga OFF & keep telling the rest of us to give up & go windows.
hey but they were part of the amiga, so they must be right. so lets go windows
MorphOS has been slashdoted ! : Comment 34 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 16-Oct-2002 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Before or after the MorphOS drivers will be made available for GRex users?
SCNR, don't get me too serious...
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