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MorphOS and the Pegasos alternative computer were demonstrated at Saturday's meeting of NCAUG, a Washington DC area user group. Be sure to check out the report.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 1 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 14-Oct-2002 20:08 GMT
That's some cool music, but is it really needed on a site that's doing a preview on hardware? Just one of those can't win things I guess. Just imagine if that was an email... *shudder*
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 14-Oct-2002 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (the man in the shadows):
I was trying to be creative so I added the music. It is only a 52k MIDI, so it would be okay in an email. I suppose it is processor-heavy though.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 14-Oct-2002 20:27 GMT
"The CPU is of course a PPC processor, made by Motorola."
Are you sure about that ? All other Pegasos I saw had a PPC750 CXE from IBM.
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Posted by Leif on 14-Oct-2002 21:12 GMT
It was pleasent reading.
Gave a very good feeling.
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2002 21:22 GMT
Nice to see nobody got shot during the user group meeting then.
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Posted by Jerry Gibbons on 14-Oct-2002 22:47 GMT
I wonder if it will run Final Writer97, SCSI devices like my MiGraph Scanner or Amiga formatted harddrives?
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Posted by redrumloa on 14-Oct-2002 23:56 GMT
On a Sober note, I wish all Amigans in the DC area saftey. I hope that maniac is caught swiftly.
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 15-Oct-2002 00:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Daniel Miller):
Last I checked it was one of the nine no-nos of good web design, unless you are promoting/selling the audio and offering a sample to those interested. My personal pref on that; audio should never have been available on web pages period. In all honesty, I like the music... but not inline with a web page. The page was a good read as well. If there is a way you could add in the ability to start the music instead of load by default then it might be a bit better.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 9 of 116ANN.lu
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling/insulting
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 15-Oct-2002 02:52 GMT
The music doesn't bother me much since most
websites don't have any its kind of fun to see the
odd one that does... But anyway just disable your
mime type if you don't want to hear it. ;)
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Posted by cheesegrate on 15-Oct-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Comment Man):
most aos software is a hack, if you include ports with that definiton which you do
most amiga developers are hackers, in the old sense of the word
what is your point?
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Posted by cheesgrate on 15-Oct-2002 05:08 GMT
most amiga games are a hack, that is they bypass the aos api and directly access the hardware..
wether cloning then improving the aos on ppc is a hack? maybe if it is a good one..
what is your point?
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Oct-2002 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Comment Man):
Ok, haven't we heard this by now? There should be some rules on ANN of things that we're tired of hearing and that those posts containing these things should be deleted. I mean, haven't this been claimed enough around here? Is it finally going to do any good ?
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Posted by The_Editor on 15-Oct-2002 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (redrumloa):
RedRumLOA Spake :-
On a Sober note, I wish all Amigans in the DC area saftey. I hope that maniac is caught swiftly.
S'ok ... You lot'll start blasting white vans soon just to be sure...
I wouldn't want to be "White-Van Man" around there !!
Seriously though... I agree with Ya Red.. Psycho Bastard needs eradicating.
Seems to be a link with fuel stations .... Not some "Over the Top" greenie perchance ??
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 15-Oct-2002 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (The_Editor):
> Seems to be a link with fuel stations .... Not some "Over the Top"
> greenie perchance ??
I don't think so. People tend to stand fairly still when filling their cars from the pump, meaning they're easier targets for a sniper.
They should bring back live disembowelling for people like this guy... :(
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 15-Oct-2002 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Bill Hoggett):
> They should bring back live disembowelling for people like this guy... :(
That's even more barbaric than what he/she is doing.You don't suffer much pain from a bullet in the head, as death is instantaneous.
Every year in the US and elsewhere innocent people are executed. Many of those that are guilty have had 15+ plus years to grow up and learn to be a real human being by the time they are executed (most of those that haven't are probably mentally ill/handicapped, so killing *them* smacks of eugenics).
Anyway, taking away the gun and locking him up for the rest of his natural life would doubtless hurt him/her most. :-)
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Posted by samface on 15-Oct-2002 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Comment Man):
It may not be all that accurate, technically speaking, but I can't help agreeing with that comment. It's simply sooo true! :-)))
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Posted by samface on 15-Oct-2002 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (cheesgrate):
Fine, 90% of the stuff on Aminet is hacking and patching. But then, are we so in love with our hacks and patches that we want one for an OS?
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 15-Oct-2002 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (anarchic_teapot):
> That's even more barbaric than what he/she is doing.You don't suffer much
> pain from a bullet in the head, as death is instantaneous.
That was the idea, really. This guy is not simply just deliberately ending the lives of innocent people - a random act which is bad enough in itself - but he is putting millions more through the daily terror of fearing for their lives.
To be honest, I was describing a sentiment rather than a conviction. I'm not in favour of capital punishment really, much less so the US politically motivated justice system. I don't *really* think we should bring back live disembowelling. :)
However, you have to admit that sometimes the "humane" punishments just aren't enough. Will taking away his gun and putting him in jail for the rest of his life really hurt that badly? Maybe, maybe not. Jails, even max security ones, have their own internal social systems, and inmates can gain power and status even on the inside. People like this guy, who thrive in inflicting fear and terror, may well thrive on the inside, not to mention that human rights issues will mean that conditions aren't allowed to get _that_ bad, even for him. Now, if you were to put him into solitary confinement for the rest of his natural life, that might do it, but again human rights and the law would not allow that to happen.
...but anyway, this is OT, so to get back on track, I have to say I'm looking forward to the first credible independent reviews of MorphOS. So far, we've only heard from MikeB, whose articles I've learned to ignore as ill-reserached, and the people who are demonstrating and advocating MOS, whose reports are hardly unbiased enough to be reliable. Why wasn't the report on this demo done by one of the members of the group?
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Oct-2002 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (anarchic_teapot):
>Anyway, taking away the gun and locking him up for the rest of his natural
>life would doubtless hurt him/her most. :-)
At bare minimum. Personally I think execution by firing squad or hanging would be more appropriate. I don't think this maniac deserves to be rewarded with free room&board and 3 squares a day on tax payers money for the rest of his life. I just heard he struck again. My thoughts go out to the victims family.
Back to the topic, there needs to be comprehensive information on MOS before they can expect people to buy it. A show in SW USA would help too.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (samface):
You're simply clueless. MorphOS is NOT a hack. It has been a hacky emulator in
the first betas, but now it is a COMPLETE AmigaOS replacement. How can you call
it a hack? Does it hack ITSELF? Do you know how it works? No, you don't.
But you just like discrediting it at every chance.
You're what I call, a gentle troll.
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Posted by X on 15-Oct-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@Alkis
By saying that, do you mean that you don't
need any AmigaOS files to run Amiga programs?
Cool :)
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Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 15-Oct-2002 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Then MacOS7PPC was a hack ? I don't think so;
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (X):
OF COURSE you don't need any of the AmigaOS files, that's the whole point.
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Posted by Aachthor on 15-Oct-2002 11:05 GMT
The author wants to use the pegasos 20 years starting now ? That is a hell
of a long time and I doubt he will do this...
Even the oldest but still useful Amiga (an A2000 equipped with 040 or 060 and
GFX-board) is at about 15 years and there are only very few A2000 users
left. I doubt there will be any in 5 years - even if the Blizzard2604 would
have arrived, what apparently didn`t happen...
So these 20 years are quite optimistic... perhaps he should downgrade to
10 years...
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Posted by pixie on 15-Oct-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Comment Man):
It seems now that msgs are now removed on demand... I found no insult whatsoever, just an opinion like MOS ppl express themself when they say AmigaOS is substandart without any clue.
This is very sad indeed... KC, I thought of you better
pixie- writing from a paradise called Portugal
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 27 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 15-Oct-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anders Kjeldsen):
"Ok, haven't we heard this by now? There should be some rules on ANN of things that we're tired of hearing and that those posts containing these things should be deleted. I mean, haven't this been claimed enough around here? Is it finally going to do any good ?"
Because of you, mr are tired from hearing them, then it should have them deleted throught censorship!? I'm also tired of MorphOS appearing in everything that is Amiga related when they have nothing to do with it, or do they!? But I'm not claiming them to desapear... Well, isn't MOS praised enought around here!?
pixie-writing from a paradise called Portugal
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Posted by anon on 15-Oct-2002 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (pixie):
This is definately not your thread. Somehow you don't fit into this thread :)
Its about MOS..
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (pixie):
It was the art of misinformation. It could only be removed.
It was COMPLETELY misinformed misinformation:)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 15-Oct-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> It was the art of misinformation. It could only be removed.
> It was COMPLETELY misinformed misinformation:)
Misinformation or not, it's a comment of a third person, not an official statement.
I'm all for moderation à la slashdot, I'm not at all for censorship. People should still be able to read that comment, if they so wish. Even OSNews applies moderation, but they do let people read the moderated down comments.
Just my .02 EUR.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 15-Oct-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (anon):
well i can see where is is comming from.
seeing as MOS is not amigaOS, i can see why he dont want it on ANN.
amiga emulaters have more right in some ways, as they doing noting more than trying to emu amiga & run amigaOS to run Amiga SW.
MOS is not doing that.
MOS is a new os in its self with Amiga api layer, cos MOS has very little native apps of its own so it has to run apps from another OS by emu.
MOS does not have amiga api emu for backward compatablity with old MOS apps, the reasons i have already side.
They say that MOS is for amiga ppl, but im sure the MOS team dont want ppl to keep use the Amiga 68k api to keep it in the amiga way.
They want MOS native SW & they want ppl to BUY & USE MOS SW.
Once that happends, when we are useing more Native MOS SW than old amiga68k SW on MOS, we no longer can say we are Amiga, we are MOS.
Some ppl call MOS an AmigaOS replacement, & thats exactly what it will be no more amigaOS just MOS.
You could just as well say Windows & MacOS is an amiga replacement, but OH they are not amiga like tho.
Some ppl dont want Amiga like OS, they want to real thing from the real sources.
To many ppl have not seen enough of MOS to know how amiga like it is.
Instead we are being Told & that not good enough.
you should really wait until its out before you target another OSes Community, cos once its out the facts can be seen by all.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 32 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Fabio Alemagna):
Ok, so if I said that OS4 is Windows+UAE and some heavy hacks, wouldn't it
be misinformation and have to be deleted? If I said that AROS is crap and
is based on stolen sources, and it doesn't even work, wouldn't it be
misinformation? Yes. It would have to be deleted. That's logical.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 33 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alkemyst):
They say that MOS is for amiga ppl, but im sure the MOS team dont want ppl to keep use the Amiga 68k api to keep it in the amiga way.
--
Huh? You still use the AmigaOS 3.x API, with many improvements and extensions.
There is no other API yet.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 34 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alkemyst):
For now, and for the near future, you should be able to compile MOS software
to AmigaOS, and back.
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Posted by It's Me Again! on 15-Oct-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alkemyst):
Ok isn't it that Hyperion wants the same with AOs4? They don't want to use the 68k emulation forever.
But as someone stated you can recomplile the app in any other operating system, nobody can prevent you from doing this, so that finishes your point.
And what if people like MOS and write apps just for MOS?? they're in his right to do so.
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Posted by Dave on 15-Oct-2002 15:19 GMT
MorphOS should be illegal, i am DiSGUSTED they even have the nerve to charge for it. Do Not support amiga pirates (MorphOS team) and never Pay for a misnamed hack.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Dave):
Illegal? It's not, it shouldn't be and won't be unless proven in court.
Do you know how it works? Do you know ANYTHING about it? No. You're
CLUELESS. Read my lips. C.L.U.E.L.E.S.S.
Of course they have the nerve to charge for it, THEY ARE DEVELOPING IT FOR
OVER 2 YEARS. They did HARD work. You DON'T KNOW HOW IT AND AMIGAOS WORK
YOU CAN'T CALL IT A HACK YOU MISINFORMED FOOL.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 38 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Me another time! on 15-Oct-2002 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, don't you see they're provoking you?
Don't pay attention to them.
There's something that is worring me more, where's MorphOS official statement, announcement, and final specifications for the system???
They should have a website explaining everything just now! don't know what they're waiting for, do they think that must be people like you or me the ones doing the promotion marketing???
MOS is risking loosing everything due image problems facing the customers...
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Me another time!):
Alkis, don't you see they're provoking you?
Don't pay attention to them.
--
They do provoke mye, but they also misinform people...
There's something that is worring me more, where's MorphOS official statement, announcement, and final specifications for the system???
--
It will be here soon:)
They should have a website explaining everything just now! don't know what they're waiting for, do they think that must be people like you or me the ones doing the promotion marketing???
--
Dunno about that... From what I know, the site will be updated soon.
MOS is risking loosing everything due image problems facing the customers...
--
Basically, the main image problems are not their fault, see 4play, who is a
well known MOS hater, and went into IRC, knowing the reaction of the team,
just to post the log and discredit MOS.
And before anyone asks about 4play... Yes, we know about his TRUE beliefs...
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 40 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 15-Oct-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
It shouldn't, you could point the correct sources to prove whoever says that is wrong. Plain and simple!
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 41 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 15-Oct-2002 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Dave):
And all Dave people should be illegal too.
The only original one was the singer (http://www.francofil.org/html/dave.html).
;)
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Posted by Me in the front! on 15-Oct-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Listen Mos and Bplan face a serious image problem, a lot of people believes that they're Phase5 II and if the boards get broken they won't listen or fix them as happened with some accelerators in the past, some people fear that the emails they will send to them requiring assistance will go to the delete folder as happened in the past. Some dealers are affraid of MOS/Bplan due problems with orders sent to Phase5 in the past...
Other people also identifies them with the people responsible of stealing their money that they send for the preorder for the failed PPC G4 accelerator.
What I'm trying to say is that they look like the old Phase5 as they don't do anything to show the people that the things will be different.
Lot of people is making them appear as the bad people in this movie... and that is simply not true.
This is what worries me.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 15-Oct-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, please calm down. Just ignore the guy.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 44 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Oct-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (pixie):
Bet that if it happened you would want it to be deleted? if you haven't noticed that person is just trying to piss off everybody.
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Posted by pixie on 15-Oct-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Basically, the main image problems are not their fault, see 4play, who is a
well known MOS hater, and went into IRC, knowing the reaction of the team,
just to post the log and discredit MOS.
And before anyone asks about 4play... Yes, we know about his TRUE beliefs..."
The log is true!? YES it seems so, his exclusion remember me being trown away because I acess Amiga channels through Windows.
If he had say anything provocative, he hasn't, they IMO shouldn't have done it. As for the log being shown, I think that help to prevent further expulsions by no apparent reason...
You have the right to express your opinions, if you offend someone else then, in that case only you should be banned...
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 15-Oct-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Me another time!):
I won't have called this version 1.0.
It has nice new features but it is not bug free enough to call it 1.0
And 1.0 is misleading because it confuses people that think it is already a commercial release.
Report from USA Demo of Pegasos, MorphOS : Comment 47 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 15-Oct-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Dave):
Wait until they are proven guilty or otherwise.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 15-Oct-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Ok, so if I said that OS4 is Windows+UAE and some heavy hacks, wouldn't it
> be misinformation and have to be deleted?
It would be misinformation, or even lies, but it shouldn't be deleted, just moderated down, as it happens over slashdot and OSNews.
> If I said that AROS is crap and
> is based on stolen sources, and it doesn't even work, wouldn't it be
> misinformation? Yes. It would have to be deleted. That's logical.
By which logic? No, as said it should stay there, just moderated down.
People have a brain of their own, if they are subject to be misled by such ridiculous statements then they deserve to be misled.
Just my opinion, of course.
Fabio Alemagna
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 15-Oct-2002 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Basically, the main image problems are not their fault, see 4play, who is a
> well known MOS hater,
Weren't you just talking about misinformation? Uh.. that's really funny.
4play hates MOS so much to the point of buying it, together with a Pegasos. It sounds logical, doesn't it? Bah...
Fabio Alemagna
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 15-Oct-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Fabio Alemagna):
> By which logic? No, as said it should stay there, just moderated down.
>
> People have a brain of their own, if they are subject to be misled by
> such ridiculous statements then they deserve to be misled.
I have to agree with Fabio. When it comes right down to it, this amounts to censorship, not moderation. Censorship is a problem, because by its very nature it is not impartial. I find it strange that Alkis supports the censorship of comment 9 while apparently having no objection to a well known MOS supporter saying (paraphrased) "you MOS-hater, I hope you die" to one of his opponents in one of the recent threads. I looked for some kind of admonition from Alkis, but found nothing, although he has commented in that thread, before and after the comment in question. (and yes, the comment is still there and has not been deleted despite the obvious grounds for doing so)
On the subject of misinformation, I noted that Alkis also took the time to answer a list of questions about MOS posted by someone who wanted to know more. One question was left without an answer though: "What is MOS bad at". Can we therefore assume that Alkis believes MOS has no weaknesses and is therefore perfect? It will be interesting to determine in the months ahead if that doesn't end up looking like an attempt to mislead the public in itself. :-P
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