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[News] Interview with Fleecy MossANN.lu
Posted on 21-Oct-2002 08:46 GMT by Man on the Moon97 comments
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Under the "Read More" link, you can find the latest (afaik) publicly available interview with Fleecy Moss, Amiga Inc. CTO.
Be aware that it's an hand-made translation from the one appeared in the Italian Amiga-only printed magazine Bitplane and, as I don't have the original question&answers, it comes from a double translation process.
C'mon guys, turn on your flamethrower!! ;-) Bitplane: What about the experiences you had during these first years of Amiga Inc. management, after you had bought it from Gateway?
Fleecy Moss: It has been a period with massives of work and sacrifice for everyone, not only for those who work for Amiga Inc., but even for resellers, developers and the same users. The most difficult thing has been trying to make Amigans proud of their platform understand that we needed big investments if we wanted to move on to the future and practically every investor would have preferred to cut off his legs rather than invest money in a desktop alternative. This is one of the reasons why AmigaDE was born, a product necessary to "excite" the investors, a product that may have success and that can bring us success (and money to delevop AmigaOS).
Obviously, because of the collapse of dot.com industries after 11th September, the market of investments shrinked even more.

B: Lately your web site has been completely renewed, now the Amiga Inc. products are divided into 4 categories: Amiga Anywhere, Amiga OS, Amiga Corporate and Amiga Support Network. Could you please describe them?
FM: Many people, customers, partners, OEM producers and investors that visited our web site got confused on what relationship there is between AmigaDE and AmigaOS. Many "traditional" Amigans considered AmigaDE as a toy, but many investors see AmigaOS as a suicide instead. Amiga (Inc.) believes either in AmigaDE or in AmigaOS, but to not hurt ourselves, we had no other choice than to explain how in relationship were these two, different products.
So now, as you have underlined before, we have 4 sections.
Amiga Anywhere (and AmigaDE) and Amiga OS both have their separate section, the developers have their one, and investors, journalists and everyone else can completely skip the products and go directly to the general news section on Corporate site. It ain't so revolutionary - most of other companies which offer different products use the same stratagem.

B: What are your plans in the short, medium and long term?
FM: For the long term we obviously hope to see Amiga platform (AmigaOS and its hardware) and AmigaDE reach wide success, create a strong community and make Amiga Inc. a prosperous company.
Plans for the medium term include the hope to see the Amiga platform (AmigaOne and OS4.0) with a 50-100,000 users base, an "awakening" in the applications development for the Amiga and a greater impact on mass-media. Regarding the DE, we want it to appear on every kind of device, from cellphones and PDA, to Set Top Boxes and desktop (Amiga platform included).
In the short term, we want to launch AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0, sell 5-10,000 units and see some new applications running on top of them, together with an "evangelization" campaign on printed magazines for the reborn of the most popular computer in the world. On AmigaDE side, we want to have 2 or 3 partners for the cellular phones, PDA and Set Top Box market that push on AmigaDE so the world may see quality applications for AmigaDE becoming synonym of the new way of living in the digital age.

B: How do you think to advertise your products, considering the very few magazines still dedicated to Amiga?
FM: Most of still interested Amigans read the existing printed magazines, like your excellent mag, or they are still in touch with distibutors or with each other across the Internet.
The fact that we had 50,000 download requests for the latest AmigaOS pictures shows that there are many people still interested, at least in AmigaOS.
Giving an eye to the future, though, for either AmigaDE or AmigaOS, we need to penetrate new markets, to have us known from people who never heard the Amiga brand, people who want quality products that do the job in an efficient way at a reasonable price. In this case, we must focus our marketing action on channels in which Amiga ain't traditionally available - such as videogames fairs, exhibitions and all of those places where people looks for rapid solutions, not expensive assembly-kits: and Amiga, either as OS or as DE, has to be the answer.

B: Why not create a section, on your web site, dedicated to every Amiga activity and event? It may come useful to have a list of magazines, newsgroups, mailing-lists and other things that talk about the Amiga.
FM: I think this is a good idea, and we're gonna make it.

B: In what kind of relationship you actually are with Haage&Partner and why AmigaOS 4.0 hasn't been developed by them?
FM: H&P have supported Amiga platform in a great way and we count on them to work together in the future. Now Amiga Inc. thinks that time has come to lead and direct the AmigaOS development, so we had no other decision than to choose an internal development team (for AmigaOS5).
AmigaOS4 is a product thought for migrating on modern hardware, not for doing the big jump ahead (even if for the AmigaOS4 different versions are planned so that new software functionalities together with new hardware functionalities will be available) and, for this reason, we have chosen a partner experienced in migrating software from 68k to PPC - Hyperion, of course.
This ain't a slap in the face to H&P, this is only an acknowledgement to the abilities necessary for this specific task.

B: Partnership with Hyperion and Eyetech apart, with which other software/hardware producers you had (or will have) in touch, and of what kind?
FM: Yes, there were some collaborations, but I cannot reveal their names at the moment until they'll be official parnterships and our partners aren't ready to make public announce yet.

B: When will it be possible to buy AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4?
FM: This is the question of the century :-)
In the past we have "burnt" ourselves (and we have disappointed many persons) giving dates and then missing them. Moving an entire platform from one hardware to another is a very tough and complex procedure, with many unexpected troubles you discover only during the conversion.
As a consequence, Amiga Inc. decided to show the world only the development progress (with screenshots and updates), but not to announce a release date until when we won't have in front an AmigaOne system with working AmigaOS 4.

B: Which information could you give us regarding AmigaOS 4 and future versions (other than what already known)?
FM: Big steps ahead are made every week, and many information can be collected either from people involved with the OS, or from the AmigaOne mailing-list.

B: Will it be possible to run the new AmigaOS 4 on the Pegasos?
FM: This depends on owners of the Pegasos. Amiga Inc. has always clearly said that AmigaOS 4.0 can run on every PPC hardware. We only ask that who produces the hardware (or who adapts it) signs an OEM license agreement, so that they can have a working version on their platform and certificate the combination (hardware+ software). Doing so, every user buying the product know that the product itself has the mark of approval from Amiga Inc.
It's not of our interest to limit AmigaOS to some specific hardware which ain't the whole.

B: Is there something you'd like to say to our readers?
FM: Firstly I'd like to thank them for their patience and loyalty and I would to excuse me for the mistakes we made and the delays we had moving AmigaOS platform on to the future.
In spite of this, we're really doing big big progress and shortly the Amiga platform will again take off!

Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 1 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 21-Oct-2002 07:16 GMT
A userbase of 50,000-100,000. Hmm, that'll be the day.
/Björn
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 2 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 21-Oct-2002 07:17 GMT
>Amiga Inc. has always clearly said that AmigaOS 4.0 can run on every PPC >hardware.
Well, i guess he is a bit oblivious ;-) ?!
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 3 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 21-Oct-2002 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (CyberZorro):
He obviously didn't mean 'out of the box'. But 'if adopted to' within the scope of the OEM agreement. Ie, that they do not appose any PPC platform as long as an OEM agreement is signed.
/Björn
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 4 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 21-Oct-2002 08:15 GMT
> B: Will it be possible to run the new AmigaOS 4 on the Pegasos?
> FM: This depends on owners of the Pegasos. Amiga Inc. has always clearly said
> that AmigaOS 4.0 can run on every PPC hardware. We only ask that who produces
> the hardware (or who adapts it) signs an OEM license agreement, so that they
> can have a working version on their platform and certificate the combination
> (hardware+ software).
With that, we have now the answer that AmigaOS4 will never be or sold on the Pegasos.
1. Why to want the OS4 running on Pegasos when we have already MorphOS.
2. Why to signs an OEM license agreement, and certainly (sure) to pay it, for the OS4, when MorphOS is already on Pegasos (and MorphOS is free for bPlan/Thendic of course, and also free for all the consumers/customers who buy the Pegasos).
3. So, why to buy OS4 when we have already free MorphOS on Pegasos.
Concerning this point, Amiga Inc. has the same strategy than Micro$oft. But Amiga Inc. is not Micro$oft.
Sure, Amiga Inc. want (and need) money.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 5 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amygale):
> Why to want the OS4 running on Pegasos
> when we have already MorphOS.
I could buy Pegasos but I want AmigaOS. If AmigaOS won't run on Pegasos I
choose other hardware.
If you want using MorphOS you choose hardware dedicate for it.
Some people will use MorphOS but some people (most?) will use AmigaOS.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 6 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Mellor on 21-Oct-2002 09:24 GMT
"B: When will it be possible to buy AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4?
FM: This is the question of the century :-)"
Well, hopefully that narrows it down to within the next 97 years :-)
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 7 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 21-Oct-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
MorphOS is AmigaOS, perhaps better.
MorphOS (v1.0) is here (with Pegasos also finish), AmigaOS4 is not here (only started).
And we don't know when AmigaOS4 will be here (Fleecy Moss doesn't know himself).
After long years, I can't wait later. Who can wait later for an hypothetic OS4 ?...
I think more OS4 will be delate, more Pegasos/MorphOS users there will be.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 8 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by AlK on 21-Oct-2002 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amygale):
Whatever you say..
> 1. Why to want the OS4 running on Pegasos when we have already MorphOS.
So, bPlan, would you please delete any source code that you had to change/adapt
to let MorphOS run on the AmigaOne? The AmigaOne is designed for hosting
AmigaOS 4 as its only commercial OS.. (<- this was sarcasm)
..Naah, as for me, I'm planning a triple boot config w/ AmigaOS4, Gentoo
LinuxPPC and MorphOS (just to keep in touch with the latter, as I ever said I
want to) on my AmigaOne (<- this is _my_ choice, don't _anyone_ limit me on
this..).
> 2. Why to signs an OEM license agreement, and certainly (sure) to pay it, ..
This has already been clarified zillions of times. You (as a Amiga hardware
distributor) pay for the name (advertising w/ and such). Nothing more AFAIR.
And only a small amount, not several million bucks..
The other way around: Will I get full warranties and support from bPlan/Thendic
for running MorphOS on the AmigaOne, including problems w/ MorphOS specific
to the AmigaOne hardware? Eyetech fe would not need to give you support then
(but most probably would help w/ the hardware, even w/o having a contract w/
bPlan concerning MOS on AOne, would they?)
With Amiga OEM hardware I (as a consumer) will have a legally binding assurance
that the OS is tested on the hardware and I'll get any support from the
distributor I need, concerning the hardware and hardware/OS combination.
Not everyone's a geek like us and can repair a Mobo all by his/herself. ;-)
>for the OS4 [on Pegasos]
I'm quite sure that you'll have to pay for MorphOS on the AmigaOne too. And
I'm perpared to spend my 50 € there.. (<- hint, hint: "No more than.." ;-)
Or do you want MorphOS to be limited to one hardware only? It sounds like
from your writing(s). Bad idea, Free MorphOS ;-)
> 3. So, why to buy OS4 when we have already free MorphOS on Pegasos.
Why use Linux, OS/2, (Open)BeOS, SkyOS, AtheOS, Free/NetBSD (even AROS or
AmigaOSx86 ;-) on a x86 Mobo when they mostly ship w/ Windows already? (Gentoo
Linux 1.4_rc1, gcc 3.2 on a Pentium 133 here, took 2-3 weeks to compile incl.
xfree 4.2, kde 3.0.4, mozilla 1.1 etc..). Don't you like choices? I do, I am
an Amigan!
> Amiga Inc. has the same strategy than Micro$oft. But Amiga Inc. is not
> Micro$oft.
AmigaInc. is not in the position to even try to act like M$. And M$ just
_forces_ any of its OEM's to only ship _any_ and _every_ of its x86 systems w/
Windows and starts to sue them if they sell just one board w/ Linux, fe.
Eyetech OTOH is free to sell the AmigaOne to the Linux crowd (w/o the name and
'the ROM', sure), and Eyetech already said they may do that as a european
distributor for MAI.
Ok, Thendic of bPlan will never be Amiga OEM's, which is understandable as long
as they are working on their own OS platform. But I'm pretty damn sure that
we'll see AmigaOS on the Pegasos as part of an OEM deal before (or within)
Q3/2003. As long as I'm limited to only use MorphOS and Linux on the Pegasos,
I'll not get it (even if I'd be interested, hardware wise). Give me a choice!!
(How can I get a Pegasos w/o MorphOS? Just the board? Does bPlan earn from
hardware or software (given that MorphOS is free w/ the Pegasos..)?).
Anyway, most of this discussion is pointless before there is any non-beta
hardware, non-beta operating system, publically available. (Once it looked
like I would get all that well within my 20s, now I've passed the 31 mark last
weekend (saturday). Nobody tell me I'm not impatient, I _AM_ ;-)
Ciao, Alex
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 9 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by George on 21-Oct-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AlK):
No offense to anyone - MOS is a good product, but I can't see more than a handful of people using it...It will sell to a couple of geeks and that will be it
Let's keep in mind that MOS is nothing new. Anyone remember POS (Power OS). A PPC OS influenced by the Amiga which was Amiga compatible (to an extent) and got no-where.
As for Bplan, their using the MAI designs right? If their so good, why has MAI formed a relationship with Hyperion and not Bplan? Answer: Hyperion has a bunch of smart guys that have done some funky stuff with the Amigaone BIOS.
I think that alot of you are underestimating Hyperions abilities.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 10 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 21-Oct-2002 11:04 GMT
there is always the alternative of getting a pegasos with mos and buying os4 for amiga and then getting a version that works for the pegasos from net once that may or may not appear. I wouldn't feel like a crook as I would have infact bought the legal version of os4 and would simply being using all options as a user who has been deprived of such options by amiga inc. with their current licencing scheme.
hahaa! time will tell...
now let the flaming begin! ;)
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 11 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 21-Oct-2002 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (George):
@George:
What are you talking about?!?
1. bplan uses chips from MAI, but a board designed by themselves. (You obviously confuse them with Eyetech.)
2. Hyperion extended PPCBoot, bplan (as mentioned in a comment on Amiga-News.de a few days ago) Codegen's SmartFirmware - so what?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 12 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Oct-2002 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AlK):
So, bPlan, would you please delete any source code that you had to change/adapt
to let MorphOS run on the AmigaOne? The AmigaOne is designed for hosting
AmigaOS 4 as its only commercial OS.. (<- this was sarcasm)
--
No line was changed... It did run on the original Terron CX evaluation board,
and it does run on it's AmigaONE derivative.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 13 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Oct-2002 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (George):
About the BIOS? Cause bPlan knew that if they write the bios for mai, eyetech
would get it as well.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 14 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2002 11:26 GMT
no legal blustering thank god, and fleecy sounds less arougant.
the pardon us was a nice touch
despite myself i find myself wishin them luck ..
(in a realistic fashion
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 15 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 21-Oct-2002 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Amygale):
>MorphOS (v1.0) is here (with Pegasos also finish)
Maybe I'm wrong but the last review I read about MOS shown at a computer show a few days ago, stated that there were still some crashes. So it's not finished yet.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 16 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amygale):
> 1. Why to want the OS4 running on Pegasos when we have already MorphOS.
Good question. Bplan is not interested in OS4 because MorphOS is a more suitable product to their strategies. AFAIK, OS4 will not even support the upcoming multi processor CPU boards. The only way you will see OS4 on the Pegasos is if Hyperion ports it to that hardware. But are they allowed to do that by AmigaInc?
I like Amiga (meaning the platform/spirit/concept/values/etc, not AmigaInc!). And I like the fact that we won't be limited to only one distribution in the future. Both AROS and MorphOS are welcome alternative distributions that fills different gaps on the Amiga market. AROS will be interesting to those who wants to set up a x86 based amigastyle system. MorphOS will be interesting to those who want a 100% PPC lean&clean reimplementation of AmigaOS, running on a very nice piece of hardware, with modern features expected from a computer system of today. The official OS4 will be interesting to those whose primary interest lies in the Amiga brand and logotype to such a degree that they are prepeared to run a "hotted" version of OS3.x on a somewhat bulky developer's reference mobo, with all the pros and cons that means. Freedom of choice is a nice thing!
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 17 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEEE!!! Again I think... on 21-Oct-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Elwood):
Wasn't that WinXP was the most advanced os in M$ history and one of the best in the world (accordingly to M$) but still crash from time to time??? is XP not ready yet???
When AOS4 will be on the street (eventually), it will crash from time to time too.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 18 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Oct-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (takemehomegrandma):
Tell me, why do you consider MorphOS to be a "lean&clean" reimplementation of the AmigaOS while AmigaOS4 is just a "hotted" version of AmigaOS3.x?
Please note, that's a serious question. I want to know the motive for spreading such nonsense.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 19 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AlK):
> ... But I'm pretty damn sure that we'll see AmigaOS on the Pegasos as part of
> an OEM deal before (or within) Q3/2003. As long as I'm limited to only use
> MorphOS and Linux on the Pegasos, I'll not get it (even if I'd be interested,
> hardware wise).
It will be up to Hyperion as a software developer to make sure that their software runs on different HW solutions. It's in their own interest if they want to sell more software. Bplan is not interested in OS4 since they allready have an operating system that supports the features of their hardware, including multi processing.
> Give me a choice!!
You HAVE a choice! You can choose between
1) MorphOS+Pegasos. Developed from scratch to be lean and clean and rich of features.
2) AROS+x86. x86 means low costs and low prices.
3) OS4+A1. Officially branded Amiga, but somewhat old HW and SW design.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 20 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 21-Oct-2002 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (George):
Actually, I seriously doubt that more then a handful of AmigaOnes will be sold either. PPC was a poor choice for MOS/HYPEOS4, now they can sleep in the bed they made.
Dammy
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 21 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 21-Oct-2002 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (George):
>Let's keep in mind that MOS is nothing new. Anyone remember POS >(Power OS). A PPC OS influenced by the Amiga which was Amiga >compatible (to an extent) and got no-where.
AFAIK POS as a PPC OS never say the light of day. There was an amiga release which was a workbench replacement in the main.
POS PPC was going not to have 68k emulation and would only be source code compatible with aos programs. Big differnce with morphos.
and it never saw the light of day hence no connetion to morph can be made in terms of succes
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 22 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 21-Oct-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Elwood):
>MorphOS (v1.0) is here (with Pegasos also finish)
>Maybe I'm wrong but the last review I read about MOS shown at a >computer show a few days ago, stated that there were still some >crashes. So it's not finished yet.
I agree with you to a certain extent, 0.9 is more appropriate.
tho of course it will never be 'finished' but evolve.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 23 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (takemehomegrandma):
"You HAVE a choice! You can choose between
1) MorphOS+Pegasos
2) AROS+x86
3) OS4+A1
Please people, try to provide information without an agenda.
This isn't the level of flexibility most people are looking for. It appears that the Eyetech/Hyperion deal is non-exclusive, opening up the possibility for anyone to sell OS4 with hardware that has been sanctioned by Amiga. You may not agree with the requirements, but there is nothing preventing this from happening.
On the Thendic/bPlan/MorphOS side is there any exclusivity or were options left open as well?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 24 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Amygale):
> MorphOS is AmigaOS
No it is not.
Pepsi Cola it's not Coca Cola
BMW it's not Mercedes
MorphOS it is not AmigaOS.
In aditional MorphOS woudn't be compatible with software for AmigaOS 4.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 25 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 21-Oct-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (dammy):
"I seriously doubt that more then a handfull of AmigaOnes will be sold either.."
WOW...Then I wil personally know every AmigaOne owner. What a nice little community we will have:-)
I have no idea (ohh well I have but won't say it here:-) how many A1 will be sold, but I'm certain it will outsell the Pegasos. Willing to take that bet anytime.
Know quite a lot of ex-amigans willing to return, when it's released.
It's quite simple if you want to run AmigaOS4 legally, don't buy a Pegasos. Atleast not until you see a legal version released for it.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 26 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 21-Oct-2002 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
>In aditional MorphOS woudn't be compatible with software for AmigaOS 4.
Can you please post some url's of AmigaOS4 specific software?
you know video edditing and players, sound apps, mail programs, browsers etc? screenshots of the program running would be great.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 27 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 13:07 GMT
"so we had no other decision than to choose an internal development team (for AmigaOS5)... AmigaOS4 is a product thought for migrating on modern hardware, not for doing the big jump ahead"
Here's the part that always leaves me wondering. Is OS5 supposed to be a complete departure or is it based on OS4 as an interim solution? If the former, there would be a tremendous amount of duplication of effort to remain compatible in any way.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 28 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (cheesegrate):
>>In aditional MorphOS woudn't be compatible with software for AmigaOS 4.
>Can you please post some url's of AmigaOS4 specific software?
you know video edditing and players, sound apps, mail programs, browsers etc? screenshots of the program running would be great.
Notice how the original poster said "wouldn't" not "isn't"? No one is claiming that OS4 is GA, but everyone obviously admits that MOS will have to be modified in order to maintain compatibility.
Both parties really need to learn that unless they cooperate they'll both be sunk.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 29 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 21-Oct-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (takemehomegrandma):
Since when is the Articia S based G3/G4 equipped Pegasos lean and mean while the Articia S based G3/G4 equipped AmigaOne is outdated hardware?
Are you stupid or just a very good actor?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 30 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 21-Oct-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Elwood):
>> MorphOS (v1.0) is here (with Pegasos also finish)
> Maybe I'm wrong but the last review I read about MOS shown at a computer show
> a few days ago, stated that there were still some crashes. So it's not
> finished yet.
You are wrong ;)
Seriously : do you think, for example, that Windows 95, 97, 98, 2000, XP,... are finished ? Because they have still some crashes. ;)
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 31 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 21-Oct-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Troels E):
Yes, in theory, you could know about every A1 owner. A1 like Pegasos, is for a very tiny niche market, one that I seriously doubt can substain either let alone both. If any of the two are going to survive more then a year, my bet is for the one that is being sold first. If the second on is more then say three or four months delayied release then the first one's release, it's not going to be able to have momentum in sales to survive.
Mean while, I'll wait for AROS or Berniethlon. Heck, at Walmart prices, I can afford to buy a dedicated box for it.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1957333&cat=3951&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951
Dammy
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 32 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (George):
> No offense to anyone - MOS is a good product, but I can't see more than a
> handful of people using it...
Ahem, I can promise you that there are a lot more people using MorphOS than OS4!
> Let's keep in mind that MOS is nothing new. Anyone remember POS (Power OS).
> A PPC OS influenced by the Amiga which was Amiga compatible (to an extent)
> and got no-where.
MorphOS is more new than OS4, IMHO. Much of the additional features in the last updates of AmigaOS has been through absorbation of old third party programs. And the same goes for OS4, there are not a great deal of news there in the *core OS*, except from a new exec and partial PPC support. MorphOS is a new OS, written from scratch, that has many exciting new features in the *OS*. Hopefully there will also be some exciting features through bundled third party software (á la OS4), but that remains to be seen. The focus has been on the core OS up till now.
And you can't compare MorphOS with pOS. You now, pOS never got this far ...
> As for Bplan, their using the MAI designs right?
The Pegasos only uses chips from MAI (among others). The design of the hardware is all done by bplan.
> If their so good, why has MAI formed a relationship with Hyperion and not
> Bplan?
Relationship? Ahem, Eyetech (not hyperion) sells an old developer reference motherboard from MAI. Eyetech is a customer to MAI. Of course you could call that some kind of a relationship, but I think that one would expect a lot more of joint efforts in order to call it a *partnership* (which I believe you meant).
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 33 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 21-Oct-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (samface):
Morphos is written from scratch. Do you think that the first available version of AmigaOS4 will consist of only PPC-binaries? As far as I have understood, AmigaOS4 will be a combination of PPC binaries and 68k binaries. And as far as I've understood, Morphos 1.0 will consist of 100% PPC binaries. Unless you disagree on this, I hope I made my point.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 34 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 21-Oct-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Nota: I said 'MorphOS is AmigaOS' but not 'MorphOS is AmigaOS4' ;)
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 35 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Elwood):
> Maybe I'm wrong but the last review I read about MOS shown at a computer
> show a few days ago, stated that there were still some crashes. So it's not
> finished yet.
No, you are right. It's not finished yet. That's why it's called BETA ...
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 36 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (takemehomegrandma):
> I can promise you that there are a lot more people using MorphOS than OS4!
I can promise you that there will be a lot more people using AmigaOS than MorphOS in next year.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 37 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 21-Oct-2002 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> > MorphOS is AmigaOS
>
> No it is not.
Are you sure ?... ;)
> Pepsi Cola it's not Coca Cola
They have both the same category with the same specifications : black soda with bubles ;)
> BMW it's not Mercedes
They have both the same category with the same specifications : german berlines in high category and powerful ;)
> MorphOS it is not AmigaOS.
They have both the same category with the same specifications : Amiga system on Amiga computers ;)
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 38 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 21-Oct-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (takemehomegrandma):
Sure Morph is still BETA, but they can't keep it that way forever, so they havent got that much time to fix the remaining bugs.
I don't know what version was shown in Gothenborg, but IT DID CRASH (and freeze/lockup in the emulator).
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 39 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cheesegrate):
> I agree with you to a certain extent, 0.9 is more appropriate.
What's wrong with 1.0ß (as in 1.0 BETA)?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 40 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amygale):
> Nota: I said 'MorphOS is AmigaOS' but not 'MorphOS is AmigaOS4' ;)
Which AmigaOS? AmigaOS 1.x, AmigaOS 2.x, AmigaOS 3.x or maybe AmigaOS 5.x?
I told you that MorphOS is yet another OS but it is not Amiga Operating System.
You like MorphOS and it is not problem for me. You can buy MOS for yourself and use it. I'm using AmigaOS now and I will use it in the future.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 41 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Amygale on 21-Oct-2002 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Have you already use MorphOS on Pegasos ? with your answers I'm sure NO.
When you use MorphOS on Pegasos, you can't be wrong : you use an AmigaOS on a Amiga.
The only one difference is the POWER : when you use MorphOS on Pegasos, you use a modern AmigaOS on a powerful Amiga :)
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 42 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> In aditional MorphOS woudn't be compatible with software for AmigaOS 4.
There would hardly be a great deal of effort for programmers to compile their software for both MorphOS and OS4. It's being done allready (ahem, of course I mean OS3.x, but there isn't THAT many revolutionary news in OS4 that would differ it from OS3). Most of the (few) new titles announced are available in both AmigaOS and MorphOS versions. Limiting the market for your software to only one of the OS distributions would be madness, especially when it is so easy to cover the whole market!
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 43 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (takemehomegrandma):
A man who has not climbed the summit and seen the lay of the land does not know
what paths he has yet to walk.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 44 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Stimpy on 21-Oct-2002 14:01 GMT
Honestly, I've never posted before, prefering to sit back and watch the pyrotechnics, but I gotta say something....
Why the heck are we all arguing over this? We all love Amiga and want it to do well in some form or other. We want that beautiful efficient alternative to the crud that's being forced down the throats of the rest of the unaware computing public. Wait until both systems are out and then evaluate them. Choose the one that best suits your needs. That's how I chose Amiga in the first place back in 1985 and I've never regretted it even though it's been a supposedly "dead" system for years.
Let's stop all this "my chip's bigger than your chip" nonsense and just be happy that it looks like the long cold winter is nearly over with not one, but two alternatives! And get away from your computer for a while. Go out get a breath of fresh air, feel the sunshine on your face and get a perspective on things. Geez!
--------------------------------------
Yer Pal, Stimpy.
Test pilot for the first batch of commercialy produced Amiga 1000's in 1985 at the Savannah College of Art and Design... I had a key to the computer Lab! Heh, heh, heh.......It made an excellent party room!
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 45 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 21-Oct-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (takemehomegrandma):
takemehardgrampa wrote:
>Relationship? Ahem, Eyetech (not hyperion) sells an old developer reference
>motherboard from MAI. Eyetech is a customer to MAI. Of course you could call
>that some kind of a relationship, but I think that one would expect a lot more
>of joint efforts in order to call it a *partnership* (which I believe you
>meant).
You have no clue what you are talking about. Either you are a grade A moron, or you are trying your hardest to spread disinformation. Why don't you go 50grit masturbate with sandpaper?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 46 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ole-Egil):
> Since when is the Articia S based G3/G4 equipped Pegasos lean and mean while
> the Articia S based G3/G4 equipped AmigaOne is outdated hardware?
Well, since you obviously have missed all information about Pegasos that has been provided on the net for some time now, I will introduce you to the Pegasos:
133 MHz Processor *Slot*, Optional with 350 MHz G3 PowerPC® / 512k Cache up to Dual MPC 7450 G4 PowerPC® / 2 MB Cache at state of the art speedgrades
PC133 SDRAM Memory for a total of 2 modules maximum 2GB extension by availibility of modules
AGP Slot x 2, user selectable graphics card
PCI Subsystem with a total of 3 slots to be used for custom expansion, ncluded one slot for Riser Card Option
IEEE1394 (VIA VT6306) at 100/200/400 MBit Transfer rates with three ports
10/100 MBit Network Realtek 8201 Phyceiver
USB I/O System (VIA 8231) with a total of 4 ports
AC97 Sound Subsystem Sigmatel STAC 9766 Codec with Mic. In, Line In/Out and Headset support, *optical S/PDIF output* (!!)
IRDA for comunication with PDAs and other IRDA devices
ATA100 (VIA 8231) with up to 4 devices
KBD, for PS2 compatible keyboards
Mouse, for PS2 compatible pointing devices
Seriell, one channel RS232
Parallel standard Centronics
Floppy
Gameport, to be used with PC style joysticks/gamepads
56K Modem *integrated*
All this on a (and this is the really good part) microATX Mainboard 236mm x 172mm ( 9"3 x 6"8 )! Think about the possibilities this gives to the creative system designer!
> Are you stupid or just a very good actor?
Please compare the above specifications with the old "Amiga One" motherboard. See the differences? You know, there are more to a computer system than the chipset. Perhaps you didn't know that, or are you just stupid or just a very good actor?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 47 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 21-Oct-2002 14:13 GMT
Amiga Wars, still continuing. Thread number 67413. Nothing new, just the same old war.
/Björn
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 48 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (MonkeyOS):
>> Relationship? Ahem, Eyetech (not hyperion) sells an old developer reference
>> motherboard from MAI. Eyetech is a customer to MAI. Of course you could call
>> that some kind of a relationship, but I think that one would expect a lot more
>> of joint efforts in order to call it a *partnership* (which I believe you
>> meant).
> You have no clue what you are talking about. Either you are a grade A moron,
> or you are trying your hardest to spread disinformation. Why don't you go
> 50grit masturbate with sandpaper?
Did you want to make a point in that post? Or was it just an effort to brake the comment guidelines on this board? OK, you don't like me, but in what way am I wrong?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 49 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 21-Oct-2002 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
"Well, since you obviously have missed all information about Pegasos that has been provided on the net for some time now, I will introduce you to the Pegasos:"
Duh.
"133 MHz Processor *Slot*, Optional with 350 MHz G3 PowerPC® / 512k Cache up to Dual MPC 7450 G4 PowerPC® / 2 MB Cache at state of the art speedgrades"
So this is better than a selection of fixed 600MHz G3 or socketed 700MHz+ G3/G4 single or dual how?
"PC133 SDRAM Memory for a total of 2 modules maximum 2GB extension by availibility of modules "
Check.
"AGP Slot x 2, user selectable graphics card"
Check
"PCI Subsystem with a total of 3 slots to be used for custom expansion, ncluded one slot for Riser Card Option"
3, yes. Also, a fourth if you can accept the implications. No riser card, though. Is that bad?
"IEEE1394 (VIA VT6306) at 100/200/400 MBit Transfer rates with three ports"
Ok, you got me there. Firewire is so 1999, though. That's outdated technology ;-)
"10/100 MBit Network Realtek 8201 Phyceiver"
Check. Ok, so it's not RTL, but 3Com. Doesn't change the fact that "Check" :-)
"USB I/O System (VIA 8231) with a total of 4 ports"
Check
"AC97 Sound Subsystem Sigmatel STAC 9766 Codec with Mic. In, Line In/Out and Headset support, *optical S/PDIF output* (!!) "
Ok, missing the SPDIF
"IRDA for comunication with PDAs and other IRDA devices"
Never bothered to check this on the A1
"ATA100 (VIA 8231) with up to 4 devices "
Hmm, Check?
"KBD, for PS2 compatible keyboards
Mouse, for PS2 compatible pointing devices "
Check
"Seriell, one channel RS232 "
HAH!
Got you. I've got two :-)
"Parallel standard Centronics
Floppy
Gameport, to be used with PC style joysticks/gamepads "
Well, duh :-)
(I mean "Check")
56K Modem *integrated*
Sorry.
"All this on a (and this is the really good part) microATX Mainboard 236mm x 172mm ( 9"3 x 6"8 )! Think about the possibilities this gives to the creative system designer!"
Yep, it's small and cuddly.
Still, that doesn't mean it's not AS EQUALLY OUTDATED AS ANY AMIGAONE WITH THE SAME SPECS WOULD EVER BE
"> Are you stupid or just a very good actor?
Please compare the above specifications with the old "Amiga One" motherboard. See the differences? You know, there are more to a computer system than the chipset."
Yes, and in this case they are more or less identical. You don't have to buy the version with the soldered on CPU if you absolutely know you're gonna want the socket, you know. And a good socket always beats a bad slot.
" Perhaps you didn't know that, or are you just stupid or just a very good actor?"
Oh I know that. I know it VERY well. I just don't see how two more or less EXCACTLY equal systems can differ to the extent that one is "state of the art" while the other is "outdated"
Sorry, no can do.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 50 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 21-Oct-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Troels E):
"I have no idea (ohh well I have but won't say it here:-) how many A1 will be sold, but I'm certain it will outsell the Pegasos. Willing to take that bet anytime. "
In both cases it will depend on any industrial sales. A contract for, maybe, 800 boards for kiosks or similar would make a big difference.
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