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[News] Interview with Fleecy MossANN.lu
Posted on 21-Oct-2002 08:46 GMT by Man on the Moon97 comments
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Under the "Read More" link, you can find the latest (afaik) publicly available interview with Fleecy Moss, Amiga Inc. CTO.
Be aware that it's an hand-made translation from the one appeared in the Italian Amiga-only printed magazine Bitplane and, as I don't have the original question&answers, it comes from a double translation process.
C'mon guys, turn on your flamethrower!! ;-) Bitplane: What about the experiences you had during these first years of Amiga Inc. management, after you had bought it from Gateway?
Fleecy Moss: It has been a period with massives of work and sacrifice for everyone, not only for those who work for Amiga Inc., but even for resellers, developers and the same users. The most difficult thing has been trying to make Amigans proud of their platform understand that we needed big investments if we wanted to move on to the future and practically every investor would have preferred to cut off his legs rather than invest money in a desktop alternative. This is one of the reasons why AmigaDE was born, a product necessary to "excite" the investors, a product that may have success and that can bring us success (and money to delevop AmigaOS).
Obviously, because of the collapse of dot.com industries after 11th September, the market of investments shrinked even more.

B: Lately your web site has been completely renewed, now the Amiga Inc. products are divided into 4 categories: Amiga Anywhere, Amiga OS, Amiga Corporate and Amiga Support Network. Could you please describe them?
FM: Many people, customers, partners, OEM producers and investors that visited our web site got confused on what relationship there is between AmigaDE and AmigaOS. Many "traditional" Amigans considered AmigaDE as a toy, but many investors see AmigaOS as a suicide instead. Amiga (Inc.) believes either in AmigaDE or in AmigaOS, but to not hurt ourselves, we had no other choice than to explain how in relationship were these two, different products.
So now, as you have underlined before, we have 4 sections.
Amiga Anywhere (and AmigaDE) and Amiga OS both have their separate section, the developers have their one, and investors, journalists and everyone else can completely skip the products and go directly to the general news section on Corporate site. It ain't so revolutionary - most of other companies which offer different products use the same stratagem.

B: What are your plans in the short, medium and long term?
FM: For the long term we obviously hope to see Amiga platform (AmigaOS and its hardware) and AmigaDE reach wide success, create a strong community and make Amiga Inc. a prosperous company.
Plans for the medium term include the hope to see the Amiga platform (AmigaOne and OS4.0) with a 50-100,000 users base, an "awakening" in the applications development for the Amiga and a greater impact on mass-media. Regarding the DE, we want it to appear on every kind of device, from cellphones and PDA, to Set Top Boxes and desktop (Amiga platform included).
In the short term, we want to launch AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0, sell 5-10,000 units and see some new applications running on top of them, together with an "evangelization" campaign on printed magazines for the reborn of the most popular computer in the world. On AmigaDE side, we want to have 2 or 3 partners for the cellular phones, PDA and Set Top Box market that push on AmigaDE so the world may see quality applications for AmigaDE becoming synonym of the new way of living in the digital age.

B: How do you think to advertise your products, considering the very few magazines still dedicated to Amiga?
FM: Most of still interested Amigans read the existing printed magazines, like your excellent mag, or they are still in touch with distibutors or with each other across the Internet.
The fact that we had 50,000 download requests for the latest AmigaOS pictures shows that there are many people still interested, at least in AmigaOS.
Giving an eye to the future, though, for either AmigaDE or AmigaOS, we need to penetrate new markets, to have us known from people who never heard the Amiga brand, people who want quality products that do the job in an efficient way at a reasonable price. In this case, we must focus our marketing action on channels in which Amiga ain't traditionally available - such as videogames fairs, exhibitions and all of those places where people looks for rapid solutions, not expensive assembly-kits: and Amiga, either as OS or as DE, has to be the answer.

B: Why not create a section, on your web site, dedicated to every Amiga activity and event? It may come useful to have a list of magazines, newsgroups, mailing-lists and other things that talk about the Amiga.
FM: I think this is a good idea, and we're gonna make it.

B: In what kind of relationship you actually are with Haage&Partner and why AmigaOS 4.0 hasn't been developed by them?
FM: H&P have supported Amiga platform in a great way and we count on them to work together in the future. Now Amiga Inc. thinks that time has come to lead and direct the AmigaOS development, so we had no other decision than to choose an internal development team (for AmigaOS5).
AmigaOS4 is a product thought for migrating on modern hardware, not for doing the big jump ahead (even if for the AmigaOS4 different versions are planned so that new software functionalities together with new hardware functionalities will be available) and, for this reason, we have chosen a partner experienced in migrating software from 68k to PPC - Hyperion, of course.
This ain't a slap in the face to H&P, this is only an acknowledgement to the abilities necessary for this specific task.

B: Partnership with Hyperion and Eyetech apart, with which other software/hardware producers you had (or will have) in touch, and of what kind?
FM: Yes, there were some collaborations, but I cannot reveal their names at the moment until they'll be official parnterships and our partners aren't ready to make public announce yet.

B: When will it be possible to buy AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4?
FM: This is the question of the century :-)
In the past we have "burnt" ourselves (and we have disappointed many persons) giving dates and then missing them. Moving an entire platform from one hardware to another is a very tough and complex procedure, with many unexpected troubles you discover only during the conversion.
As a consequence, Amiga Inc. decided to show the world only the development progress (with screenshots and updates), but not to announce a release date until when we won't have in front an AmigaOne system with working AmigaOS 4.

B: Which information could you give us regarding AmigaOS 4 and future versions (other than what already known)?
FM: Big steps ahead are made every week, and many information can be collected either from people involved with the OS, or from the AmigaOne mailing-list.

B: Will it be possible to run the new AmigaOS 4 on the Pegasos?
FM: This depends on owners of the Pegasos. Amiga Inc. has always clearly said that AmigaOS 4.0 can run on every PPC hardware. We only ask that who produces the hardware (or who adapts it) signs an OEM license agreement, so that they can have a working version on their platform and certificate the combination (hardware+ software). Doing so, every user buying the product know that the product itself has the mark of approval from Amiga Inc.
It's not of our interest to limit AmigaOS to some specific hardware which ain't the whole.

B: Is there something you'd like to say to our readers?
FM: Firstly I'd like to thank them for their patience and loyalty and I would to excuse me for the mistakes we made and the delays we had moving AmigaOS platform on to the future.
In spite of this, we're really doing big big progress and shortly the Amiga platform will again take off!

Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 51 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 21-Oct-2002 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (takemehomegrandma):
You're wrong in that Eyetech is MAI's "customer". They're actually their "distributor".
From MAI's own website:
"FREMONT, CA. July 9, 2002. Mai Logic Incorporated, a technology design house of integrated circuits/systems, today announced an agreement with Eyetech Group Ltd. to distribute the Teron CX and PX development systems in Europe, and to distribute production systems based on the Teron CX and PX designs to the Amiga market worldwide. Terms of the agreement emphasized both companies' long-term commitment to foster an unshakeable partnership and to create a bright future for the Amiga customers and partners."
Hmm, does it seem you're wrong? Oh my, yes. Go do some homework or something :-P
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 52 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 21-Oct-2002 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (cheesegrate):
OS4 specific program:
http://www.audio-evolution.com/
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 53 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 21-Oct-2002 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
Its clear that eyetech and hyperion have made the best impression with MAI , Lets hope this relationship grows and eyetech can help mai with who not to supply chips to ;).
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 54 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 21-Oct-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
Sigh!
So now my brand new 2.8 GHz PC is outdated just because it doesn't include on board firewire and a modem??? Get real! Take your specs, subtract the latest AOne.5 spec and I am quite sure you will not come up with something is absolutely essetial to a modern computer.
Still acting I presume?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 55 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alk on 21-Oct-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
[MorphOS on AOne]
> No line was changed... It did run on the original Terron CX evaluation board,
> and it does run on it's AmigaONE derivative.
Didn't know it to that extend, soryy Alkis ;-)
..but then, bPlan has to delete all MorphOS source code in order to satisfy
Amygayle.. not!
(Just to make it clear: I don't wish MorphOS any harm, I just prefer 'the real
thing..'. Yeah, "Coke" that is, you got me right, cheers ;-)
Ciao, Alex
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 56 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ole-Egil):
> Still, that doesn't mean it's not AS EQUALLY OUTDATED AS ANY AMIGAONE WITH
> THE SAME SPECS WOULD EVER BE
Well, *if* the specs *were* equal, but they are not!
> Yes, and in this case they are more or less identical.
Ahem, the Pegasos and Amiga One are obviously *not* identical.
> You don't have to buy the version with the soldered on CPU if you absolutely
> know you're gonna want the socket, you know.
That's good. But a CPU slot alone won't make it a Pegasos!
> And a good socket always beats a bad slot.
And a good slot always beats a socket, good *or* bad.
> Oh I know that. I know it VERY well.
I know that you know.
> I just don't see how two more or less EXCACTLY equal systems can differ to
> the extent that one is "state of the art" while the other is "outdated"
I can't come up with anything else but facts about the specifications, I have done that now, and you have obviously read the specifications for the Pegasos. But *still* you claim it to be more or less exactly equal to the Amiga One. I don't know why. Could it be that you have invested money in Amiga One and "wants" it to be a Pegasos instead?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 57 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Ole-Egil):
> You're wrong in that Eyetech is MAI's "customer". They're actually
> their "distributor".
Which is pretty much the same thing, the difference is usually only a matter of an agreement of exclusiveness for some specific markets.
> From MAI's own website:
I read that press release the day it was announced. It doesn't change the fact that:
1. MAI developes chipsets and hardware.
2. Eyetech buys products from MAI and sells it to customers in Europe and to the "Amiga" market.
Tell me, how am I wrong?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 58 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (takemehomegrandma):
"But *still* you claim it to be more or less exactly equal to the Amiga One. I don't know why. Could it be that you have invested money in Amiga One and "wants" it to be a Pegasos instead?"
Because for all intents and purposes it is equal. I don't know why, given that Ole
posted a list cross referenced against yours, you consider them to be unequal. Could it be
that you have invested money, time and troll-boy posts in Pegasos and *want* it to be
somehow superior?
Cut the cake anyway you like, they are logically equivalent, theres like a hairs breadth
of difference between them and thats fact. The rest is your wilfull inability
to take plain fact and partake in useful dialogue when you are embarassed into
a corner.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 59 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 21-Oct-2002 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehardgrampa
You couldn't possibly be that thick.
http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 60 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by AlK on 21-Oct-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (takemehomegrandma):
> It will be up to Hyperion as a software developer to make sure that their
> software runs on different HW solutions.
Only when it comes to 'doing'. And only when the HW is a PPC board (they don't
have a license for other processor platforms as you know. You do?)
OTOH, _what_ different HW solutions they have to support is up to OEM deals
made with the mother itself (AmigaInc. that is).
> You HAVE a choice!
Really? (serious question)
>You can choose between
> 1) MorphOS+Pegasos. Developed from scratch to be lean and clean and rich of features.
I don't wanna talk down the technical merits of MorphOS, and I never did.
And the Pegasos is a nice first shot for a company. Both is just not what I
want (the hardware may be more debatable, but.. And I know that bPlan's the
successor of P5, have a CSMkI-060 ..)
> 2) AROS+x86. x86 means low costs and low prices.
No x86 here. Damn it ;-) (I'll try AROS on the hardware my company gave me
for homework..ehem)
> 3) OS4+A1. Officially branded Amiga, but somewhat old HW and SW design.
The A1 has pretty much the same features than the Pegasos. Greatest difference
is the size of the actual board. And yes, I prefer full size ATX for a desktop,
at least when you put in the latest and greatest graphics (Radeon 8500), sound
(Audigy), whatever PCI cards (heat generation, air circulation, space between
cards). Just my POV.
For the age. The Pegasos was ready in 2001, revised in 2002 IIRC. the AmigaOne
SE was ready in 2001 (late), revised in 2002. Which board exactly is it that is
'older'? (the AmigaOne/Teron CX looks pretty much like a standard x86 board
for the unliterate user, why's that 'somewhat old'? No answer req.)
And yes. I am an Amigan and want to use the latest _Amiga_ OS as my main OS.
The core design of AmigaOS was modern in 1985 and it is yet, if ya ask me... ;-)
_Only_ because MorphOS has a different approach doesn't make it more advanced.
One has to consider that MorphOS has, as one point, been developed to run
possibly more than one different 'box'es independantly. A-Box, Q-Box NG-Box...
That's what makes it expandable and easy to adopt to new computing environments
(eclipsis etc.). At least that what I gather..
AmigaOS does not need the latter extensability, it will get AmigaDE for that.
And I am glad to see Fleecy assuring us that the plan hasn't changed in this
regard.. ;-)
2c
Ciao, Alex
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 61 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Stefan Burström):
> So now my brand new 2.8 GHz PC is outdated just because it doesn't include
> on board firewire and a modem??? Get real! Take your specs, subtract the
> latest AOne.5 spec and I am quite sure you will not come up with something
> is absolutely essetial to a modern computer.
I have also a brand new 2.8 GHz P4, with two really nice Kingston 256Mb PC1066 rambus memory modules, a Matrox Parhelia GFX card (only two monitors though), USB2.0, Firewire (which is essential to me, since I do some video editing from time to time). In other words, I have a really nice computer (although it's hot, noisy and quite large in size). But I'm running Windows XP on it. It's a windows box. Maybe I will install AROS on it some day when (if) it becomes a serious alternative for end users.
But the issue was not if PPC architecture can compete with x86 architecture (it can in *some* ways), it was about the Amiga One vs. the Pegasos. The Pegasos IS better, and that's facts, not an oppinion.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 62 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 21-Oct-2002 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (gz):
"there is always the alternative of getting a Aone with Aos4 and buying Pegasos for MOS and then getting a version that works for the Aone from net once that may or may not appear.
I wouldn't feel like a crook as I would have infact bought the legal version of MOS and would simply being using all options as a user who has been deprived of such options by Thendic/MOS team. with their current Pegasos/MOS scheme.
hahaa! time will tell...
now let the flaming begin! ;)"
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 63 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 21-Oct-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (takemehomegrandma):
It will be up to MOS team as a software developer to make sure that their software runs on different HW solutions. not just the Pegasos & PPC cards
It's in their own interest if they want to sell more software.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 64 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by AlK on 21-Oct-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (takemehomegrandma):
Oohh, pleaaaasse..
> I can't come up with anything else but facts about the specifications,
Neither can Ole-Egil.
It's quite clear that Peg and AmigaOne are not identical when you look at 'em.
Only problem is: That is not the point!
When you compare them feature-by-feature there's nothing spectacularely
different. Firewire and IR would be the only ones. But then AFAIR the AmigaOne
has IR headers, just not connected.
56k modem card risers? Who am I to need them? ;-)
I do DSL. Just a little NIC (neither RealTek nor 3com does really matter, using
a RealTek 8139 right now). that does its job and an IP stack that can do pppoe,
of course.
The AmigaOne has everything I need, the Peg has more than I'd need, except,
yeah _AmigaOS4_.. go figure 8-)
(And it'll have MorphOS, just for the matter..)
Ciao, Alex
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 65 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Alkemyst):
> It will be up to MOS team as a software developer to make sure that their
> software runs on different HW solutions. not just the Pegasos & PPC cards
> It's in their own interest if they want to sell more software.
They allready have! MorphOS runs on the Pegasos, various PPC cards for the classic Amiga, and on the MAI boards used for Amiga One.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 66 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 21-Oct-2002 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Amygale):
"When you use MorphOS on Pegasos, you can't be wrong : you use an
AmigaOS on a Amiga."
It's the same when you run Amithlon on a suitable machine. You just
forget about x86, emulation, etc - this is simply a nice fast Amiga.
AmigaOS is much more portable than one would expect.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 67 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 21-Oct-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Stefan Burström):
"So now my brand new 2.8 GHz PC is outdated just because it doesn't
include on board firewire"
Yes. (So is my Amithlon machine).
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 68 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alex on 21-Oct-2002 16:35 GMT
(All IMHO)
Sigh.. it just never stops does it?
FFS, why start up with this sort of rubbish *again*.
We *know* the hardware differences between the Pegasos and the A1 SE/XE.
We *know* that some people have chosen MorphOS others have chosen AmigaOS.
We *know* that neither OS is available as a completed boxed retail version.
Can't we just accept that and move on, this tit for tat bickering helps absolutely no one.
Think before you post more of this narrow minded childish rubbish. You're not helping either "cause".
If you must add fuel to the fire, how about instead posting a link to one of the copies of the FUD-Buster that was established i.e. :
http://aurora.merseine.nu/fudbuster/
Alex.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 69 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2002 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Alkemyst):
You wont have to crack or patch MorphOS in order to make it run on the MAI boards. You could simply buy it and run it (as long as AmigaInc/Hyperion/Eyetech doesn't prevent this in some stupid way. THEN you would have to do try some kind of a workaround).
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 70 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 21-Oct-2002 18:12 GMT
What a depressing interview! Ugh!
AmigaDE is Amiga everywhere? AmigaDE doesn't have *anything* in common with the Amiga except the stupid name!
And he totally dodged the only question we want answered: WHEN?
The only piece of info which I got from this interview is that he admitted that "Moving an entire platform from one hardware to another is a very tough and complex procedure" which some people here seem to be in DENAIL about. Translation: AmigaOS 4 running on new hardware is a loooong way off. Don't buy an AmigaOne expecting to get AmigaOS 4 any time soon.
Blah blah blah, what more can we expect from Amiga Inc.?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 71 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 21-Oct-2002 18:14 GMT
Oh by the way, stop talking about AmigaOS 4 on Pegasos until we actually have an OS to port.
All you people who say you're going to buy an AmigaOne because you want AmigaOS 4 should wait until AmigaOS 4 is actually available.
I mean what is a promise by Amiga Inc. worth anyway?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 72 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Oct-2002 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anders Kjeldsen):
*sigh*
MorphOS may be written from scratch, but they're reverse engineering. How could that possibly be more "lean&clean" than the original?
No, the ones actually rewriting is Hyperion. Thanks to having the real sources they can do a *real* reimplementation rather than something reverse engineered.
See the difference?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 73 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 21-Oct-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (samface):
Thats right SamFace, Reverse-engineering is EVIL.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 74 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 21-Oct-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amygale):
[Quote]Nota: I said 'MorphOS is AmigaOS' but not 'MorphOS is AmigaOS4' ;)[/Quote]
But still MorphOS is not AmigaOS!!!
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 75 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 21-Oct-2002 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ole-Egil):
Hi' Ole,
[Quote]56K Modem *integrated*
Sorry.[/Quote]
Didn't you mean outdated technology (stupid to integrate, because different technologies in various countries - and for example in Denmark, all devices that you connect to the phonesystem needs to be approved by "Telestyrelsen")
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 76 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 21-Oct-2002 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Leif):
No, only the kind that threatens my interests. You see, I'm an Amiga user and I want a new *Amiga* as well as a new *AmigaOS*, why wouldn't I be against the market parasites and IP thieves over at bPlan/Thendic-France?
I didn't care about ProDAD or BeOS back then, and I don't care about Amithlon or AROS today. But, these guys has crossed the line, I'm afraid. It's simply foolish to think that it could possibly be profitable to compete on such a small and nearly extinct market like the Amiga market. Get real, smell the coffee, and stop claiming to be the successor of a product line which isn't yours to succeed!
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 77 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 21-Oct-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Alkemyst):
Hehee that was a nice twist shooting right to my own angle, but I wish you hadn'nt used the quoting marks because it makes it seem like I had said so in the original post... Anyway you have a point there just as I do when I don't find AI being the "good guys" anymore with their current licencing scheme.
but that's a matter of opinion so you keep your's and I'll keep mine :)
Just for the record, I don't think thendic is a company of angels either...
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 78 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 21-Oct-2002 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (strobe):
@Strobe
"What a depressing interview! Ugh!"
Not much news in it, but not exactly depressing either.
"AmigaDE is Amiga everywhere? AmigaDE doesn't have *anything* in common with the Amiga except the stupid name!"
When released for AmigaOS4.x it got something in common but whats wrong with a company working on more than one technology.
"And he totally dodged the only question we want answered: WHEN?"
Which is very clever. No need to guess on release dates, they made that mistake in the past (just like Morphos/Bplan did it).
"The only piece of info which I got from this interview is that he admitted that "Moving an entire platform from one hardware to another is a very tough and complex procedure" which some people here seem to be in DENAIL about. Translation: AmigaOS 4 running on new hardware is a loooong way off. Don't buy an AmigaOne expecting to get AmigaOS 4 any time soon."
I think everyone are very well aware that it's a complex task, but neither you or I know how far off OS4 is, so please stop pretending you know. You know Shit!
"Blah blah blah, what more can we expect from Amiga Inc.?"
Crap crap crap...What else could we have expected from you..?
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 79 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 21-Oct-2002 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Björn Hagström):
>A userbase of 50,000-100,000. Hmm, that'll be the day.
With a PC version of OS4, this 50-100k wouldn't have sounded like such a hopelessly ridiculous number.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 80 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 21-Oct-2002 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (MonkeyOS):
Nice, name calling, the argument tactic of the feeble-minded.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 81 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 21-Oct-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Stefan Burström):
Firewire is pretty useful these days, (although add-on cards are going for $20 here, provided someone writes drivers for it of course).While your at it, how about putting the gecko engine underneath Ibrowse's hood.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 82 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 21-Oct-2002 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (samface):
What evidence do you base your assumptions on? Ever heard of Ralph Babel and the Amiga Guru books? How about Cats, the source code isn't necessary to come up with amiga compatible API's, ever think about that? I mean, have you ever visited aminet, you could probably replace every component of AmigaOS twice, just downloading aminet utilities.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 83 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 22:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (cOrpse):
>Lets hope this relationship grows and eyetech can help mai with who not to supply chips to
Then I hope the Snoqualmie Pegasos user group will take a piss on the company
sign every morning ;).
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 84 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2002 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (samface):
>why wouldn't I be against the market parasites and IP thieves
Return of the head parasites that are stealing your brains? :-D
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 85 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 00:10 GMT
MORE LIES AND COPOUTS
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 86 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Oct-2002 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (samface):
"It's simply foolish to think that it could possibly be profitable to
compete on such a small and nearly extinct market like the Amiga
market."
The whole point of having new machines and updated OSes is to make the
market grow again.
Having a choice of products available is likely to increase the total
sales.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 87 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 22-Oct-2002 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
> Since when is the Articia S based G3/G4 equipped Pegasos lean and mean while
> the Articia S based G3/G4 equipped AmigaOne is outdated hardware?
Its very funny to read this posts. Which hardware is mor outdatet AmigaOne or Pegasos? The answer is both are outdatet and much to expensive compared to a modern x86 PC.
>133 MHz Processor *Slot*,
*ggg* Only available on old x86 architecture. Is mucht to slow for this price.
> Optional with 350 MHz G3 PowerPC® / 512k Cache up to Dual MPC 7450 G4
> PowerPC® / 2 MB Cache at state of the art speedgrades
The fastest G4 is behind the fastest x86 and is much more expensive.
> PC133 SDRAM Memory for a total of 2 modules maximum 2GB extension by
> availibility of modules
Its just outdatet Memory.
> AGP Slot x 2, user selectable graphics card
Its outdated. Faster AGP Slots are available.
> PCI Subsystem with a total of 3 slots to be used for custom expansion,
> ncluded one slot for Riser Card Option
Only 3 Slots. *ggg*
> IEEE1394 (VIA VT6306) at 100/200/400 MBit Transfer rates with three ports
Fine, but many PC Motherboards and all better PX Laptops have Firewire too. And the Motherboards are much cheaper.
> 10/100 MBit Network Realtek 8201 Phyceiver
Wow. Realy, a 100 MBit Ethernet Adapter. *ggg* Sorry but its just standard on modern x86 motherboards and also cheap as a PCI card.
>USB I/O System (VIA 8231) with a total of 4 ports
Wow. Standard sinc .... I don't remeber ist to long ago. But as far as I know its only USB 1.1 not 2.0 ont the Pegasos and this is outdated. On new x86 Motherboards 2.0 is standard.
> AC97 Sound Subsystem Sigmatel STAC 9766 Codec with Mic. In, Line In/Out and
> Headset support, *optical S/PDIF output* (!!)
Wow. Wow. O.K. maybe better than many onboard x86 sound solutions but thats also available on some x86 motherboards and much better sound cards are available as a PCI card. O.K. Pegasos only have 3 PCI slots .... *ggg*
> IRDA for comunication with PDAs and other IRDA devices
Very cool. IRDA for a deskto is not a killer argument for me. Also IRDA is a little outdatet. Bluetoot replace it in the future or is replacing it now.
> ATA100 (VIA 8231) with up to 4 devices
Wow. More or less standard. But not the fastest. But thats no problem. But also serial ATA is available on some x86 mainboards. When will serial ATA be available on a Pegasos II mainboard?
> KBD, for PS2 compatible keyboards
> Mouse, for PS2 compatible pointing devices
Wow. For PC, PS2 maybe makes sence. Biut its outdated. For a modern new computer system please use USB for this devices.
> Seriell, one channel RS232
> Parallel standard Centronics
> Floppy
Outdated, but also available on most x86 systems. For what reason a Pegasos needs a Floppy? Especially a Flopy which can't read Amiga OS disks? Pleas replace RS232 and centronics on modern desktop systems. This ports only make sense for old applications that still needs them.
> Gameport, to be used with PC style joysticks/gamepads
Outdated. Please use USB.
> 56K Modem *integrated*
No killer argument for a desktop. Especially in germany where much people have ISDN or DSL.
> All this on a (and this is the really good part) microATX Mainboard 236mm x
> 172mm ( 9"3 x 6"8 )! Think about the possibilities this gives to the creative
> system designer!
O.K. microATX or better smaller than MicroATX would be fine if some cases ara availbale the uses this format for a better design. But what should be so fantastic on micrATX else? That it have only 3 PCI slts?
O.K. now tell me, why someone outside the Amiga fan(atics) community should buy a epensive AmigaOne or MorphOS system with hopefully beta operating systems like MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 as the only choice beside Linux PPC. Also this system have no good driver support and missing many modern feature. No modern browser available for this system. Not much software is / will be available for this systems ... No, sorry, both will have no success as desktop systems.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 88 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Amygale):
> Have you already use MorphOS on Pegasos ? with your answers I'm sure NO.
Certainly not stupid enough to to buy a system without enough information up front.
> When you use MorphOS on Pegasos, you can't be wrong : you use an AmigaOS on a Amiga.
So its Amiga-like at best. It is not an Amiga and definately not AmigaOS. If Id want an emulation system Id choose Amithlon.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 89 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
> 133 MHz Processor *Slot*, Optional with 350 MHz G3 PowerPC® / 512k Cache up to Dual MPC 7450 G4 PowerPC® / 2 MB Cache at state of the art speedgrades
When will the Dual upgrade be available?
> PC133 SDRAM Memory for a total of 2 modules maximum 2GB extension by availibility of modules
Slow. Unfortunately the only/common ram for these PPCs.
> AGP Slot x 2, user selectable graphics card
Slow.
> PCI Subsystem with a total of 3 slots to be used for custom expansion, ncluded one slot for Riser Card Option
3 pci slots are often not enough.
Riser == *puke*. Extremely unnecessary, especially if you have sound and modem onboard.
> IEEE1394 (VIA VT6306) at 100/200/400 MBit Transfer rates with three ports
*shrug*
> 10/100 MBit Network Realtek 8201 Phyceiver
Realtek == worst case
> USB I/O System (VIA 8231) with a total of 4 ports
> AC 97 Sound Subsystem Sigmatel STAC 9766 Codec with Mic. In, Line In/Out and Headset support, *optical S/PDIF output* (!!)
ac97 onboard sound ... id almost prefer no sound.
> IRDA for comunication with PDAs and other IRDA devices
*shrug*
> Floppy
The last floppy i installed into a computer must have been 2 years ago.
> 56K Modem *integrated*
Now thats really a big minus.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 90 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Marijan on 22-Oct-2002 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (takemehomegrandma):
>A good slot always beats a good socket...
Well, not in the PC hardware firm I worked for years(why Intel chose socket over slot if it is SO MUCH better, and AMD abandoned SlotA soon after it was introduced in the market), with slot you get different sorts of trouble (mechanical - can easily lose contact - I've seen it numerous times with old celerons in slot1, electrical - especially under higher speeds. And Thendic aims at embedded market where slot (or socket, for that matter)is definitely not nedded. But while I can carry my Duron 600 box around with socketed CPU being 99% sure it won't fall out, I wouldn't carry my old Celeron 333 Slot 1 box too much 'coz I then must open it and reslot my CPU to be on the safe side.
And I really do like the design of Pegasos over A1 'coz it looks much cleaner and smaller (I don't need more PCI slots so that satisfies me) but I don't understand decision behind using slot instead of a socket.
Marijan Franovic
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 91 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 09:31 GMT
Anyway, I liked the interview and think that it gave some good insight.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 92 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by LorD on 24-Oct-2002 06:22 GMT
Comparing a Pegasos or AmigaOne to a PC.... what a stupid attitude....
PPC computers are different not on the same marketso there is no point in comapring them...
Pegasos and AmigaOne are for experienced users that want to taste the difference. It's been years taht we are using PPC for Amiga so there is no poitn in changing that.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 93 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Oct-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (samface):
why wouldn't I be against the market parasites and IP thieves over at bPlan/Thendic-France?
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IP thieves, my ass samface. Show evidence or shut the fuck up.
Troll.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 94 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Dunham on 27-Oct-2002 03:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (It's MEEEE!!! Again I think...):
Actually, I would say that XP was not ready until SP1 came out. Even now, it's still iffy.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 95 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Dunham on 27-Oct-2002 03:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
The only thing that concerns me with this design is the Via chipset. I've had a couple of x86 MoBos that use the Via chipsets and they've always given me trouble.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 96 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Dunham on 27-Oct-2002 03:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ole-Egil):
Actually, firewire is NOT outdated technology. Sure, there is USB 2.0 out now, but it's still not as fast as 1394 in the real world. In some applications it is up to 70% slower. Firewire is the s#%t. And when firewire 2.0 comes out... Whoooooaaaaaaaa Nelley. Besides, there are applications in which Firewire has a higher installed base. Digital video for instance. USB is fine for some things - printers, mice, keyboards, etc... But I, for one, will not own another USB scanner again. A friend of mine has a Umax firewire scanner and it is blazingly fast. Basically, USB|Firewire as IDE|SCSI. It'll stay this way for a while because the USB spec offloads much of its functionality onto the system whereas firewire does most of its thing internally. That said, when I get my A1, I'll just add a Firewire card. They're not that 'spense.
Interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 97 of 97ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 27-Oct-2002 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Sam Dunham):
It doesn't use a ViA chipset. It uses the Articia S chipset centric Northbridge
and just a ViA southbridge.
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