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By Thendic-France on MorphOS-News.de :

"In complete cooperation with Mai Logic, we have loaded the bplan OpenFirmware on both the Teron CX and PX. MorphOS runs well on both boards. The Pegasos was developed as a open hardware platform right from the beginning; it uses a BIOS to simplify a port of any operating system to the platform. This OpenFirmware is a well known standard (IEEE1275) and is used worldwide by companies like SUN Microsystems, Apple, Cisco, IBM, Motorola and others. We will support any OS vendor willing to port their software to our platform and will allow them to use our retail channels to sell their products..."

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MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 1 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 22-Oct-2002 05:38 GMT
This has been posted twice already, but was both times moved to the forum category for various reasons. I'm preserving the other two postings due to the comments that have been added already.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 2 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 05:44 GMT
This is not news ;-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 3 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Oct-2002 06:45 GMT
off topic perhaps, but I would like to see these tests repeated on pegasos & MorphOS: http://www.netti.fi/~jariniem/uae/
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 4 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 22-Oct-2002 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (priest):
would be very nice to see the text duplicated in english too.
would that be possible?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 5 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Oct-2002 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (reflect):
Totally without the permission of the author:
On the page behind the url:
"measurements were done on AthlonXP1800+, 512MB ram."
and
"Unfortunately, during the night when I did those measurements, I managed to mixup A600 and A4000 as the compared machine. I try to fix those, as soon as I have some time to do anything."
I'm not going to try to translate all pages on that site... ;-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 6 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Aachthor on 22-Oct-2002 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
This isn`t news ? What would you call it then ?
But having uploaded some pictures of a "Amiga Mini Show" is news ? Sorry,
but this is ridiculous !
This news implies several things:
1. OpenFirmware runs on AmigaONE
2. MorphOS runs on AmigaONE with OpenFirmware
So this isn`t news ? Perhaps you don`t like it because it is no AmigaONE/AOS4.0
news ? Will you also move a posting saying AOS4.0 runs on Pegasos to the
forum ?
@Priest: Don`t expect the Pegasos or AmigaONE to be faster than this
Athlon1800+. But once and for all: UAE only emulates the old hardware,
there is *NO* evolution in software or in other words: in the operating
system ! With Pegasos or AmigaONE there will be PPC-only software relying
on new features which will be not available for UAE in the near future -
or is a PPC-emulator for UAE on the way ?!?!
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 7 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 22-Oct-2002 07:25 GMT
...interesting. (and yes, it *is* NEWS).
As someone else has pointed out, this means that MorphOS runs on the AmigaONE
hardware...
now, this swings things in Eyetechs favour.... buy an AmigaONE and run
AmigaOS4.x, MorphOS and Linux. It certainly allows people to buy the AmigaONE
without so much worry about which 'Amiga' camp to join. However, the reverse
is not true....yet...that AmigaOS 4.x runs on the Pegasos.
IF AmigaOS4.x were to run on the Pegasos then i think we have a beautiful and ideal scenario. for once, in a very long long time, we will have a healthy
commercial competitive market. The two boards will HAVE equal footing to fight
each other. I can see this escalating to both boards racing to G4's and dual
PPC solutions - especially if the break into the commercial field DOES happen.
If, however, AmigaOS 4.x doesnt run on the Pegasos, then things will be skewed
and one board (the pegasos) will lose out....and we'll fall into a 'one supplier' lull/standoff (like the classic Amiga PPC card situation)
Also, this news means that bPlan tend to go into the market against the
Hyperion PPC bootROM code - with their OpenFirmware BIOS. that could
also be healthy for the general PPC POP world. its good to have a choice
(and both options are much much better than the PPCBoot that we've suffered
from for ages.
Finally, and its a quick note, i do agree with Thendic's opinion that licences
should be sorted out from a licence manager. this is how the big boys of the world do it - SUN, HP/COMPAQ etc all use vendor systems like flexlm that tie
the licence down to a machine with the correct CPU/ARP/KEY/Firmware-code etc
alan
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 8 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (alan buxey):
The "This isnt news" was postfixed with a tongue-in-cheek smiley.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 9 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Oct-2002 07:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (alan buxey):
Just as a side note. I wouldn't be too happy if I couldn't boot my OS4 installed harddrive when I have replaced the mobo with another compatible mobo just because some hardware imprinted number doesn't match.
/Björn
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 10 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 22-Oct-2002 07:50 GMT
"this isn't news" is also referring to that the same message has been posted 3 times. Thus, this last one 'isn't news anymore'.
Check the box to get "forum" and you will see the other postings.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 11 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Oct-2002 08:15 GMT
"This news implies several things:
1. OpenFirmware runs on AmigaONE
2. MorphOS runs on AmigaONE with OpenFirmware"
good now everyone will be happy.
as ppl can choose where to run Aos4 on the peg as well now
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 12 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by simpleppc on 22-Oct-2002 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alkemyst):
Ofcourse openfirmware runs on the AOne, however the Aone wil use PPCBOOT as the
openfirmware ROM is NOT suited for anything useable. If MOS wants to run on Aone it will have to do that using PPCBOOT,not OF.
THe statement is completely wrong in fact. A teronCX is NOT an Aone, the AOne is the machine you will buy and that contains PPCBOOT.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 13 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (priest):
You all should ignore that SysInfo picture. SysInfo is WERY unreliable. It's not reliable on real Amigas and it sure is not reliable if you run it under emulation either. SysInfo don't even recognise 060 CPU. I remember someone saying "SysInfo is the best randomnumber generator for the Amiga" That should tell you something about it's "reliability" :)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 14 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Aachthor on 22-Oct-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
OFF TOPIC: You are true, Sysinfo does not recognize the 060, but nevertheless
it produced *ALWAYS* the same results when I tried it on my old machines.
Therefore the "random number" part is nonsense.
On the other hand: benchmarking a machine-emulator, which even emulates it`s
own clock and timers is a completely useless task. Only benchmarks using
*wall clock time* have any meaning in this case !
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 15 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 22-Oct-2002 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (alan buxey):
>Finally, and its a quick note, i do agree with Thendic's opinion that licences
>should be sorted out from a licence manager. this is how the big boys of the
>world do it - SUN, HP/COMPAQ etc all use vendor systems like flexlm that tie
>the licence down to a machine with the correct CPU/ARP/KEY/Firmware-code etc
Use Linux, BSD or HURD and you have no trouble with this kind of license issues.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 16 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 22-Oct-2002 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christian Kemp):
> This has been posted twice already, but was both times moved
> to the forum category for various reasons.
If it's been just because of the added "now it's up to AI" (don't see any other reason) I'd suggest for the future that you might have better just edited the news item by cutting this sentence - would have avoided getting it three times...
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 17 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Oct-2002 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (simpleppc):
Ehm, I can say that the OpenFirmware implementation in the Pegasos is GOOD.
The Softex implementation, scrapped by both bPlan and Eyetech/Hyperion was
MORE than CRAP.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 18 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 22-Oct-2002 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Senex):
The first item wasn't moved by me, so I can't comment. The second, I thought about deleting, but since there was already a sizeable number of comments, I moved it to "Forum" instead.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 19 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 22-Oct-2002 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Amen, brutha.
I wonder, though. How does the RDB support in the Peggy OF work? Does it use boot priorities etc like in an Amiga?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 20 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 22-Oct-2002 10:58 GMT
For each day bplan/MorphOS looks like the better alternative, I never thought I would think that earlier. But to me it seems like the way Amiga Inc takes us is the wrong one, I want a new good os, not old amigaos on ppc. BeOS would probably have been the best alternative (can't afford a mac with macos x), to bad it's quite dead (well, maybe more alive than amiga, but that doesn't say much does it?). Anyway MorphOS seems to turn out to a nice product, I would like to know much about it's features and use it a little before I would consider spending any money in it thought. If it actually becomes usable and gets some software on it (getting various unixstuff like vim, mutt and so on running would be a good start) it might even turn out to be my best choice. Even if it does not I might consider it if the price is right because I'm still this *BSD user...
If it's to expensive I suppose my next machine will be an x86 and a switch from OpenBSD to FreeBSD5 then available.
But the world really need a decent small-, efficent-, convenient-, i-know-how-it-works-os.
MorphOS is supposed to be open-source? or just free as in beer? If it is deliver it as soon as possible and try to gain a few developers, if it's not free (as in source-code) I suppose it's userbase will become much smaller.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 21 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hagge):
> MorphOS is supposed to be open-source? or just free as in beer? If it is
> deliver it as soon as possible and try to gain a few developers, if it's not
> free (as in source-code) I suppose it's userbase will become much smaller.
Neither free nor free. Commercial and closed. Or did I miss something?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 22 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 11:22 GMT
> However, we will not support any kind of software protection (dongle) with our system. Software licenses can be done by the unique machine ID of each Pegasos system, based on OS vendor supplied method (like FlexLM or others).
Unique machine ID? This awakens horrid thoughts on palladium. Youre not going that route with morphos are you?
> Alternatively, we can ship the boards to distributors and they can add a dongle. We still contend this is not the right approach, as this will create a distance between the user and the machine. Experienced computer users will never buy a dongle protected OS or program. We feel that this will create unlicensed copies as the dongle will be hacked and removed.
Probably harder to remove than a simple check if the machine id fits. Unless its really similar to palladium and the os performs that check for every program? I assume it is not? *shiver*
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 23 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 22-Oct-2002 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Ok, that sucks.
I've always thought about MorphOS as something "free", i don't know why, it's free for the current Amigas models?
Then I suppose I have to find out how X should really be coded so I can code for X instead... we(the human mankind) need a decent open-source BeOS now =D
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 24 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Hagge):
Do you mean X11? If so there are some great tutorials out there if you just
search using Google.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 25 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Oct-2002 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hagge):
>But to me it seems like the way Amiga Inc takes us is the wrong one, I want a >new good os, not old amigaos on ppc.
I do wonder on what you base this assessment.
OS 4.0 sees the most indepth work on AmigaOS seen since OS 2.x to 3.0.
Forget about OS 3.5 and 3.9.
OS 4.0 is quite different.
Core components like Exec, Intuition, DOS, FFS2 were completely rewritten and improved upon.
Other key components such as fonthandling, installer, CDFS, AmiDOck etc. are also replaced.
Then add all the features mentioned on Amiga Inc's website and you get the best AmigaOS ever.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 26 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 22-Oct-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@B.Hermans
Sounds nice.... But WHEN will we see it???
;-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 27 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Aachthor):
There was ":)". But seriously, if it gives same result ewerytime you run it does not mean it's reliable. SysInfo has many times given completely different values when compared to other testsoftware like ARTM or SysSpeed which seem to be quite good and reliable.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 28 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
ARTM=AIBB ofcourse :)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 29 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Oct-2002 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Troels E):
@Troels E
Don't you know¿
When it's done ;O)
I look forward to the big time :O)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 30 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Oct-2002 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ole-Egil):
"I wonder, though. How does the RDB support in the Peggy OF work? Does it use boot priorities etc like in an Amiga? "
' MorphOS camp : "shit didn't think about that :((" '
;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 31 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 22-Oct-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> OS 4.0 sees the most indepth work on AmigaOS seen since OS 2.x to 3.0.
> ...
> Then add all the features mentioned on Amiga Inc's website and you get the
> best AmigaOS ever.
For the moment, all that is only on the paper.
For the moment, MorphOS sees the most REAL and indepth work on an AmigaOS seen since OS 2.x to 3.0. And more.
;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 32 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 13:02 GMT
> we have loaded the bplan OpenFirmware ...
...
>
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 33 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 22-Oct-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
> > we have loaded the bplan OpenFirmware ...
> ...
> >
And ?...
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 34 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by ZaP on 22-Oct-2002 13:09 GMT
> we have loaded the bplan OpenFirmware ...
...
> This OpenFirmware is a well known standard (IEEE1275) ...
What does it mean? Are they trying to tell us that bplan developped standard OpenFirmware according to IEEE rules or that bplan uses this OpenFirmware made by someone else?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 35 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 22-Oct-2002 13:26 GMT
Dear Amigans,
some people in charge of "great" things will come here and make
promises.
Those same promises you were told some months or even years ago, and
that have never been fullfilled.
The wise ones will know not to hear those promises.
Your avanger,
Turrican
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 36 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (simpleppc):
>however the Aone wil use PPCBOOT as the openfirmware ROM is NOT suited for anything useable.
Tell this to Apple and other bigplayers...
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 37 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Oct-2002 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Jedi):
All on paper?
Tell that to the 20+ external testers of OS 4 who've been testing this stuff since late September :)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 38 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
>' MorphOS camp : "shit didn't think about that :((" '
"RDB suxx anyway" ;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 39 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Hagge):
500EUR for the board and CPU - complete systems start at 799EUR incl. VAT.
MorphOS comes "free" with these boards.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 40 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Tell that to the 20+ external testers of OS 4 who've been testing this stuff
>since late September :)
Cool, everything´s on PPC now?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 41 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by SKAN on 22-Oct-2002 14:22 GMT
I just wanna play with both AOS and MOS on my machine, doesn't matter if A1 or Peggy. Freedom is the rule. Even in a commercially driven society.
Am I so wrong? People at MOS/AInc. remind me of fool soldiers trying to conquer a small rock they call "an island". So sad.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 42 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by ZaP on 22-Oct-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Jedi):
> For the moment, MorphOS sees the most REAL and indepth work on an AmigaOS seen since OS 2.x to 3.0. And more
Yeah, the everlasting beta. Nowadays it's called BetaTester programme ;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 43 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
20+ external testers!!! I am impressed. Do they all test this "stuff" on their old 030 aga machines?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 44 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Oct-2002 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
[Quote]Tell that to the 20+ external testers of OS 4 who've been testing this stuff since late September :)[/Quote]
Nice :O)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 45 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 22-Oct-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (ZaP):
"> This OpenFirmware is a well known standard (IEEE1275) ...
What does it mean? Are they trying to tell us that bplan developped standard OpenFirmware according to IEEE rules or that bplan uses this OpenFirmware made by someone else?"
Actually, if you wander over to http://www.codegen.com you'll learn that IEEE1275 ain't a standard no more. It's been pulled by the IEEE board.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 46 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Oct-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
Bah, the answer is: Of Course.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 47 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Oct-2002 16:27 GMT
"Experienced computer users will never buy a dongle protected OS or program."
what does windows-XP do then?
The whole computer becomes a dongle,modo,gfx,sound cards
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 48 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Oct-2002 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Jedi):
"For the moment, MorphOS sees the most REAL and indepth work on an AmigaOS seen since OS 2.x to 3.0. And more."
Oh so when did they get permision to do that ?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 49 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by OcineL on 22-Oct-2002 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
On AmigaOne ?
Wow ! Your project seems to forward !
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 50 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Oct-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Fantastic, so if I understood you correctly, you'll be selling OS4 on AmigaOne
before christmas, right? I have to admitt that I didn't expect you to be that
fast!
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