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Posted on 30-Oct-2002 11:31 GMT by Mikey C117 comments
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are very proud to announce that this year's World of Amiga Southeast show is not only going to be the finest ever, but also the most feature packed.

We have patiently waited for the go ahead to announce one more attendee, subject to confirmation. We are now able to do so, but first we would like to recap on what is already happening. * Amiga - Announcements/AOS4.0
* Eyetech - AmigaOne
* Thendic France/Bplan - Pegasos/Morphos
* Quake II/Software Tycoon/Tales of Tamar (Buy and Demonstrated)

Other Exhibitors.
* Fore-Matt Home Computing.
* Kicksoft
* Weird Science
* Cloanto
* 100% Amiga Magazine
* The Crypt Magazine
* Total Amiga Magazine
* ZeoNeo
* Mediator Support Team

Usergroups:
* Amiga North Thames.
* Amiga Support Association.
* Blackpool Amiga Club.
* Huddersfield Amiga Usergroup.
* and of course, South East Amiga Link.

Presentations/Announcements.
* Amiga One Presentation.
* Amiga Announcement.
* OS4 Presentation.
* After Show Q&A Session

Now, we are proud to announce that the last attendees will be:- Hyperion-Entertainment.
Yes, you read that right, the Hyperion Team are flying over from Germany to the UK not only to ensure you get your copies of Quake II, (very special delivery) but Ben Harmans will personally host the OS4 presentation with the rest of the Hyperion Team in support.

World of Amiga Southeast 2002. Dare you be anywhere else?

More on the Q&A Session and Presentation/Announcements running order tomorrow.
Please note, Doors open 12 noon sharp. No earlier.

WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 1 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 30-Oct-2002 10:39 GMT
This all sounds very cool. It looks to be adding up to be one of the best Amiga shows for a long-long time. Now if OS4 could be released here that would really make it pass into legend.
Well done to all those that have been involved in organising everything.
---
Sam
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 2 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 30-Oct-2002 10:46 GMT
WOW! I wish I was actually going now! :)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 3 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Peter Gordon):
What's stopping ya?
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 4 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 30-Oct-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
The fact that I can't be bothered to travel over a hundred miles to go to it, basically.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 5 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 30-Oct-2002 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
go man go! :)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 6 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by agafaster on 30-Oct-2002 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Peter Gordon):
Me too !
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 7 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
There are people coming from Wales and from Scotland and you cannot be
bothered to travel 100 miles????
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 8 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 30-Oct-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Could perhaps depend on what kind of miles we're talking about ;)
/Björn
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 9 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 30-Oct-2002 11:15 GMT
South Essex Amiga Link, Not South East Amiga Link.
(Bangs head on table)
"I've done it again," Thump! "I've done it again" Thump!
Sorry, guys, one day I'll get SEAL in properly.
Mikey C
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 10 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 30-Oct-2002 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
OK. If someone can give me a lift from Bath, i'll go, otherwise, I won't. :)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 11 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Oct-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Peter Gordon):
Hmmm i might go ( i'm around exeter ) and get my mate to drive :D
But I don't know if i'm skint or not yet :\
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 12 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Housey on 30-Oct-2002 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (cOrpse):
@ cOrpse
WOW i'm round Exeter too... would love to share a lift... don't drive atm sadly :(
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 13 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Oct-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Housey):
I have a couple mates that would drive for the petrol cash ... I'll have to see :)
Where exactly is it .. so i can autoroute(yummy microsoft goodness ;)) it and make sure its all possible...
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 14 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (cOrpse):
@cOrpse
/me gets his hopes up...
I'll try look exactly where it is.... btw petrol money in no problem !!
Feel free to email me..
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 15 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Oct-2002 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
"/me gets his hopes up...
I'll try look exactly where it is.... btw petrol money in no problem !!
Feel free to email me.."
Grr they're never on AIM when you need um ... theres always hitch'in or trains if i can't get hold of someone :).
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 16 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Oct-2002 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
100 miles? That's it? Geez, wish I had that problem... I'm more like 4000 miles away
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 17 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 30-Oct-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (amigammc):
So? Its not a competition. I just really don't feel like driving a 200 mile round trip for 1 day is all. The fact that there are people thousands of miles away makes no odds really.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 18 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Dammy on 30-Oct-2002 13:37 GMT
Wow, HYPE is going to be selling a GPL'd game. I'm so impressed!
Dammy
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 19 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Oct-2002 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Dammy):
"Wow, HYPE is going to be selling a GPL'd game. I'm so impressed!"
The part thats under the GPL is very far off being "the game" , the data files that make up the game are not *FREE*.
They should have a bplan/thendic Vs. Eyetech / Hyperion deathmatch ... loser gets their stand tp'ed ;)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 20 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2002 14:24 GMT
What time will all the various presentations/announcements be happening?
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 21 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Housey on 30-Oct-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cOrpse):
@cOrpse
mmmm yeah maybe... train maybe.... i'll mail u when I get home from work...
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 22 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Oct-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Housey):
Would have mailed already ... but somehow i managed to break my SMTP server and can no longer reach my mail via pop3 ( mail provider only provides pop3 incoming , no smtp outgoing :( ) ...
Mail provider inform me that pop3 access will be back in a hour tho :))
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 23 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 30-Oct-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Dammy):
The Quake2-engine is GPL, datafiles ARE NOT. So if you want to play Q2 legaly you still need to buy Q2.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 24 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 30-Oct-2002 14:52 GMT
I think i might just go now :) Anybody wanting a lift from the Warrington/LYmm, Cheshire area and willing to cough up some cash let me know. There's 2 or 3 spaces spare.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 25 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Dammy):
>Wow, HYPE is going to be selling a GPL'd game. I'm so impressed!
Wow, you are a jackass software pirate. Run back to R$ sobbing now because you were confronted, p***y boy.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 26 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 30-Oct-2002 14:57 GMT
I would like to go to WOA, but I live in Finland and I'm just a poor student... If someone gives me money for the flightticket I'll go there :)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 27 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-Oct-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (miksuh):
"I'm just a poor student"
Same here ... But student loans come in useful for amiga hardware :).
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 28 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by agafaster on 30-Oct-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (miksuh):
...as would I but I doubt I could drag my wife and screamin kids all the way from Earthquake central (Dudley West Mids), especially having said the words 'Amiga Show'.
besides, eldest has just got Chicken Pox.
I anyone were to organise one near(er) the West Midlands I'd be there like a ... errm ... bloke dragging 3 computer-disinterested wimmin (ages 1 to 32) behind 'im... ;-)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 29 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 30-Oct-2002 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (agafaster):
"I doubt I could drag my wife and screamin kids"
Why on Earth would you bring them to a show they have no interest in
whatsoever? Just leave them at home with a heap of pizzas.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 30 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 30-Oct-2002 15:35 GMT
Whichever of you gentleman who can go...please post a report on
the net somewhere....so we can get a real feel of what happened,
...I live in the usa, so I won't go, but it looks like a very
good show....
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 31 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Alex on 30-Oct-2002 15:46 GMT
Anyone from Glasgow going by any chance ?
Cheers,
Alex.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 32 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 30-Oct-2002 15:47 GMT
What is actually so new in selling GPL'ed software ? Linux-distributors do
it since a VERY long time. Sure if one person does something illegal this
does not mean you are allowed to do it (but it's not illegal for these people either).
Again: The GPL in no way forbids the selling of GPL'ed software. And it is not even "bad style" like some people like to object. It is a completely normal usage of the GPL licence. This is even especially mentioned in the
GPL FAQ, that the GPL explicitely allows Resale.
If you want a licence were selling is forbidden you need to formulate a DIFFERENT licence.But Quake 2 is under the GPL, not some however-different licence. And actually there *is* software which is under a licence which does not allow reselling in any form (MAME for example has such a clause, and several other OpenSource-projects which do
not use the GPL, but some other "project-specific" licences - but this is
NOT the GPL then, but some other licence). Now if they would have released
the Quake 2 Source Code under the MAME licence resale would have been impossible. But they used the GPL, not the MAME licence.
Those people who are so negative about Quake 2 being for sale, don't they
ever consider that it's really nice to HAVE Quake 2 on the Amiga ??? All they do is bickering around (and doing so without even having read the GPL a single time probably) till in the end the release of Quake 2 for Amiga
comes out as if it would be NEGATIVE news - as it is not for free. While on the opposite I would say Quake 2 for Amiga is really POSITIVE news. I find this sort of attitude quite strange. Paying for something you get is quite normal I'd say.
Steffen Haeuser
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 33 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 30-Oct-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Dammy):
Probably a waste of time, but:
If you check out the readme that came with the Quake 2 source code, you will see that it specifically said that you can do everything you want, including selling your port, as long as you comply with the GPL.
And the GPL does not prohibit you to ask money. You are buying the support (and the PC version, BTW). Source code will be available for everyone (in full compliance with the GPL).
I am even pretty sure that you are aware of that, but then, where's the fun in bashing Hyperion if you would admit that :-)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 34 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Steffen Haeuser):
"Those people who are so negative about Quake 2 being for sale, don't they
ever consider that it's really nice to HAVE Quake 2 on the Amiga ??? "
I think everything you need to know about such people is shown in their attitude of: "As soon as I can get my hands on the CD I will upload it to Aminet so everyone can have it for free. I don't see why people who do all the hard work porting the source should get any reward for it."
Myself, I appreciate your porting it, even though I can't play it as I have no PPC.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 35 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by José on 30-Oct-2002 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
So, how's OS4 going?:)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 36 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJIm on 30-Oct-2002 18:19 GMT
I would go, especially when Hyperion is coming there, but I have a little
trouble getting away right now - I'm currently operating a telescope in the
Atacama desert, Chile...
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 37 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 30-Oct-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Awh, didn't you get your $50 shirt from Amino before they closed up shop and ran from their bills? Poor little Cultist, go play uncle Ben "I'm important" H's knee for awhile, maybe he let you go hunt for his one eyed worm if your nice to him!
Dammy
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 38 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Oct-2002 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (dammy):
@Dammy
Why are you even here if you hate this community so much?
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 39 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 30-Oct-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (SlimJim):
i was about to ask the same thing.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 40 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 30-Oct-2002 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (dammy):
Hey wanker, here's a thought....piss off?
>Awh, didn't you get your $50 shirt from Amino before they closed up shop and ran from their bills? Poor little Cultist, go play uncle Ben "I'm important" H's knee for awhile, maybe he let you go hunt for his one eyed worm if your nice to him!
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 41 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Oct-2002 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (SlimJIm):
>I would go, especially when Hyperion is coming there, but I have a little
>trouble getting away right now - I'm currently operating a telescope in the
>Atacama desert, Chile...
Nice!
Please inform me asap when you succeed in locating Dammy's brain.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 42 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Oct-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@ Ben Hermans
Will do.
(although it's not a very nice policy to pay back insults with insults you know.)
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 43 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "the other one" Forsberg on 30-Oct-2002 18:48 GMT
No-one has even bothered to comment on this bit of the post:
* Amiga - "Announcements/AOS4.0"
That made my heart beat double. Though I guess the annoucement is "Hyperion is doing great." :-)
Disgruntled customer PS. DCE are the scum of the Earth and must be destroyed. Lying, thieving bastards.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 44 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Johan "the other one" Forsberg):
Should we ask the inevitable?
Anyone know exactly what Hyperion will be demonstrating besides those that know and aren't prepared to tell? lol
Hopefully in the next update they'll spell Ben's name correctly too!
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 45 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Oct-2002 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (SlimJim):
>(although it's not a very nice policy to pay back insults with insults you know.)
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn".
No prices for guessing the movie.
Seriously, if this were a policy of mine, I would spend most of my days conjuring up insults.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 46 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Oct-2002 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn."
Gone with the wind! Gone with the wind!
...
Oh sorry. *NO* prizes for guessing. Right.
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 47 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 19:22 GMT
Who is Ben Harmans?
Anyway the attacks on Hyperion for porting GPL software are totally unfounded. Were you going to port it yourself Dammy? Damn, I hope you realize you're sucking up oxygen which could otherwise be used by more intelligent flatworms you sorry little punk.
Is anybody planning to produce a filmography of the event? I enjoyed last year's 150MB MPEG.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 48 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (SlimJim):
Sorry, the answer was "Who is Ronald Reagan", yes, Ronald Reagan.
Thanks for playing!
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 49 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Yeah sure, and if bets were legal in your country, you would bet all day long. we know, we know
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 50 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by grud on 30-Oct-2002 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
By the way, Ben, I have to commend you on structuring that deal with Amiga Inc. to make sure if they went out of business, OS4 would not be jeopardized. I'm sure everyone waiting for OS4 appreciates your aforethought.
Question: If Amiga Inc. does indeed go out of business, would the product still be called Amiga OS? Would the Eyetech product still be called AmigaOne? I understand if you can't comment, but I thought I'd ask. Thanks.
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