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[News] WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel!ANN.lu
Posted on 30-Oct-2002 11:31 GMT by Mikey C117 comments
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are very proud to announce that this year's World of Amiga Southeast show is not only going to be the finest ever, but also the most feature packed.

We have patiently waited for the go ahead to announce one more attendee, subject to confirmation. We are now able to do so, but first we would like to recap on what is already happening. * Amiga - Announcements/AOS4.0
* Eyetech - AmigaOne
* Thendic France/Bplan - Pegasos/Morphos
* Quake II/Software Tycoon/Tales of Tamar (Buy and Demonstrated)

Other Exhibitors.
* Fore-Matt Home Computing.
* Kicksoft
* Weird Science
* Cloanto
* 100% Amiga Magazine
* The Crypt Magazine
* Total Amiga Magazine
* ZeoNeo
* Mediator Support Team

Usergroups:
* Amiga North Thames.
* Amiga Support Association.
* Blackpool Amiga Club.
* Huddersfield Amiga Usergroup.
* and of course, South East Amiga Link.

Presentations/Announcements.
* Amiga One Presentation.
* Amiga Announcement.
* OS4 Presentation.
* After Show Q&A Session

Now, we are proud to announce that the last attendees will be:- Hyperion-Entertainment.
Yes, you read that right, the Hyperion Team are flying over from Germany to the UK not only to ensure you get your copies of Quake II, (very special delivery) but Ben Harmans will personally host the OS4 presentation with the rest of the Hyperion Team in support.

World of Amiga Southeast 2002. Dare you be anywhere else?

More on the Q&A Session and Presentation/Announcements running order tomorrow.
Please note, Doors open 12 noon sharp. No earlier.

WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 51 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (grud):
Why do you care what the product is called? Would it be any better or worse a product if it was called HyperionOS and EyeTechOne?!
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 52 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 30-Oct-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (strobe):
Why do you care that he cares
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 53 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Alkemyst):
Because I'm interested to know what's going on in his head, much like I'm interested to know what was going through John Muhammed's head |-p
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 54 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 30-Oct-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (strobe):
The same thing as the Majority of the developed world when it comes to brandnames.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 55 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 30-Oct-2002 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (amigammc):
How many Kilometers would that be?
;-)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 56 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 22:01 GMT
1mi1.6km
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 57 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Oct-2002 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Dammy):
All these years, Randy, and you're still a troll. Mom and dad still can't afford a babysitter huh?
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 58 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Oct-2002 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (SlimJIm):
Awesome! I'd love to visit sometimes...
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 59 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2002 22:10 GMT
> *Amiga Announcement.
I'm going to make a prediction here, based on previous Amiga Announcements:
"We are sorry about the delays, blah blah blah, we had problems, blah blah blah, but everything is sorted, we have new investor, blah blah, too secret to announce who it is. We will announce the annoucement date of who it is in a few weeks..."
And so it goes on. Another show, another announcement, largely about the same things. Everybody will become happy for a few months, before the whole cycle kicks off again.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 60 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2002 22:12 GMT
Interesting to see who has the biggest stand by far at the show.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 61 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Oct-2002 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Please inform me asap when you succeed in locating Dammy's brain.
I regret to inform you that Dummy's brain doesn't exist. You see, he's been the joke of CSAM for years, go look at his old posts (I stopped reading that ng, so he might be still trolling there). His real name is Randy Vice, we always thought he was a 12 years old spoiled brat who's parents just left him in front of the computer because they wouldn't bother to spend time with him. Hmmm... after these years I think he's still 12 years old.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 62 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 30-Oct-2002 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (amigammc):
Randy Vice!! Now that would explain a lot of things.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 63 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Oct-2002 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (strobe):
> 1mi1.6 km
Actually, there is also the swedish "mile" ('mil' actually), which is 10 km long.
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 64 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Oct-2002 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Mikey C):
>Randy Vice!! Now that would explain a lot of things.
Old memories, huh Mikey? ;-)
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Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (SlimJim):
Sounds more like Sweedish sausage
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 66 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 30-Oct-2002 23:03 GMT
So is anybody going to explain to me why it is important for Hyperion and Eyetech to retain use of the Amiga name?
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 67 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 30-Oct-2002 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Steffen Haeuser):
The problem is... some people object to other people making a living from their hard work. Thank gawd people don't expect me to spend several months of my valuable time converting something just so they can use it free of charge, while I sit down on busy streets, with my poor dog beside me, hat on the floor, just whistling a happy lil tune on my penny whistle, hoping I get a few coins tossed my way so I can feed myself and poor lil Bonzer ;-)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 68 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 30-Oct-2002 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
< Seriously, if this were a policy of mine, I would spend most of my days <conjuring up insults.
instead you conjure up FUD about MOS and fantasy release dates about os4
February 2002 for a beta os4 eh?
Christmas release for os4?
keep up the conjuring.
i hope everyone laughs at the os4 'alpha' demo
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 69 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 30-Oct-2002 23:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (strobe):
I'm not sure you're even ready to listen to explanations, but here's a simple
example:
Practically all my friends of my generation (I'm currently 24) are using PC:s
today. If some new OS shows up bearing the name 'Amiga' they will at least react
- they say "The Amiga? Ia that still around? Cool" True, som might have had bad experiences
with Amiga as well, but the point is that it recognized as something many, many
people used to have at one point.
It's called brand recognition and has nothing to do with being "a BAF" or a
"fanatic Amigan", but with common sales tactics.
I'm not saying people would come running just because it's called "Amiga". I'm
just saying the chance is made slightly higher by using a known brandname.
How many of my friends would raise an eyebrow if they glanced over the name
'HyperionOS' do you think?
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Steff on 31-Oct-2002 00:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (SlimJim):
There's nothing strange or even mystical about such an arrangement.
As a matter of fact that's probably exactly why Bill bought the name in the first place, even if they weren't planning on continueing with the Amiga OS at all.
Thats why PhaseV tried to buy the Amiga once upon a time and that's also why Morphos won't make it except among a few fanatics.
If an OS was successful on merits alone Windows wouldn't exist today!
:)
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Posted by Rob on 31-Oct-2002 00:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (strobe):
When Dammy gets his GPL'd source code he's going to reverse engineer
his own version of the data files and upload them to aminet. :)
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Posted by cheesegrate on 31-Oct-2002 01:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (cheesegrate):
<>i hope everyone laughs at the os4 'alpha' demo
prob a bit too harsh, i hope it's running on a amiga 4000 at least.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 73 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 31-Oct-2002 01:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (cheesegrate):
"i hope everyone laughs at the os4 'alpha' demo"
Yeah , i hear they're including a "Whack'O'Troll" game built in ...
P.s : I orginally wrote something alot better , but I'd get another telling off from thendic :(
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 74 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 31-Oct-2002 03:22 GMT
I dunno, if I heard the term "AmigaOS" I would react in the same manner if I heard the term "AtariOS".
Anyway only geeks are going to buy either OS so I dont' think the Amiga name really adds anything. *shrug*
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 75 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 31-Oct-2002 03:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (strobe):
Well you asked for an explanation, and that's it.
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 76 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 31-Oct-2002 04:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (miksuh):
Nope, you've either misinterepted my post and or your intereptation has been colored by some of the gutless HYPE wonders who like nipping at my heels. Do I care if they are selling a GPL game? As long as they comply 100% with the GPL, I really don't care in the least. Now the question of being impressed by them porting an open source game that is long in the tooth, should be what your asking of me. I am clearly NOT impressed. Will I be impressed if there are those who will buy a GPL game that is long in the tooth? I'll be about as impressed as I am for those who blew $50 for nothing last Summer...
Dammy
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 77 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Iomast on 31-Oct-2002 04:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (strobe):
Really? I know tons of people that sold their Amigas and would consider a new Amiga if it was any good.
At the very least it will buythem a lot of puplicity when they finally have something.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 78 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 31-Oct-2002 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (amigammc):
Hey, I'm still laughing at the MMC and "BIG!" hype/spin of a few years ago. I guess I'll still be laughing for a few more years over DEad and how revolutionary poorly it was executed and HYPEd. And now I get to sit back and watch you cultist sing the praise of HYPErion work on a A1.5 at WOASE? It will be running natively on a A1.5, won't it Ben "I'm important." H.? I mean, you and your company won't try anything sleazy like running your HYPEOS4 on a A4000/PPC so that people can't tell which processor is doing what, right?
Come on AmigaMMC, amuse me more. AROS developement is unfortunetly so, so I need a distraction while waiting for it to be completed.
Dammy
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 79 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by cheeesegrate on 31-Oct-2002 05:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Iomast):
>Really? I know tons of people that sold their Amigas and would consider a new >Amiga if it was any good.
ever wonder why they sold their amiga in the first place?
Even Mos being years ahead of 'amiga os4' would not be considered 'good' just yet.
as for os4 they would just laugh.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 80 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 31-Oct-2002 05:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (dammy):
Dammy said:
"I mean, you and your company won't try anything sleazy like running your HYPEOS4 on a A4000/PPC so that people can't tell which processor is doing what, right?"
Oh, come on! OK, here's one for you - how do we know all the MOS demos haven't just been Linux running with a clever window manager? all the proof we have is the word of beta testers and company demos. Exactly the same applies to AmigaOS/AmigaOne and MOS/Pegasos. Both sides have shown software and have people who claim to have used the system. If you believe one side and not the other it's just because you choose to, not based on any independently-verifiable facts. I personally believe both sides, if nothing else because it would be monumentally stupid to mount a hoax on that scale.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 81 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 31-Oct-2002 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (CodeSmith):
You forgot the conspiracy theory that the A1G3-SE doesn't exist either. It's just a single board that kind of tends to migrate between shows. The fact that we had 3 working SE boards and a working XE board in Gothenburg back in September just means we're _really_ fast at moving the boards around, and had some sort of mirror thingie set up so people would mistake an SE for an XE, like the magicians use.
Apparently this conspiracy theory isn't new either. I understand it's been discussed on amigaone@yahoogroups?
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 82 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 31-Oct-2002 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (dammy):
@Dammy
I can only repeat my question from post 38 in this thread...
Sad really.
So much hate, so little constructiveness.
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 83 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 31-Oct-2002 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Ole-Egil):
@Ole-Egil
...I THOUGHT it was a little strange you wearing that cylinder hat and the cape...
;-)
(And that's about only semi-intelligent thing I can think of to comment on such a
silly subject. The rumours people dream up... Ah, the rumours!)
.
SlimJim
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 84 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 31-Oct-2002 07:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Iomast):
>I know tons of people that sold their Amigas and would consider a new Amiga if >it was any good.
Although I hope Amiga and Hyperion do well from this, I don't think people would return to the Amiga solely on the merit of the OS. Who did in the first place?
I'd say the majority of people who bought an Amiga (well everyone in my school did) bought it because of the cool games you could get "copied" for it, and left the Workbench disks in the box on top of the wardrobe :o)
I ain't condoning piracy at all, but that was the reason so many people I knew bought an Amiga.
To grab people back from the PC market (who probably left for the games anyway)is going to take more than a cool OS, it's gonna need a shit load of quality, new, original Amiga games like Payback.
Of course, they will be a few professionals who will love the new OS and it's new capabilities, I just think they'll be in the minority.
Laters people...
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 85 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Oct-2002 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (grud):
>By the way, Ben, I have to commend you on structuring that deal with Amiga Inc. >to make sure if they went out of business, OS4 would not be jeopardized. I'm >sure everyone waiting for OS4 appreciates your aforethought.
Note that this was part of our license agreement since November 1, 2001.
>Question: If Amiga Inc. does indeed go out of business, would the product still >be called Amiga OS?
Yes, we have a limited trademark license to market the product under that name.
Note however that I do NOT consider it at all likely at this stage that Amiga Inc goes out of business.
Quite the contrary in fact.
>Would the Eyetech product still be called AmigaOne? I understand if you can't >comment, but I thought I'd ask. Thanks.
Again yes for the same reason.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 86 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 31-Oct-2002 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Daniel Allsopp):
Most former Amiga owners, when they hear of a new Amiga, say "Hey, can
I play all my old games on it?"
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 87 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 31-Oct-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Ole-Egil):
>You forgot the conspiracy theory that the A1G3-SE doesn't exist either. It's >just a single board that kind of tends to migrate between shows. The fact
Wasn't that theory about the Pegasos ? :) And for a long time it wasn't actually a theory at all but the plain truth (not any more, though).
But you are right - all sorts of strange conspiracy-theories going on :)
Of course creation of rumours+conspiracy-theories is in the interest of some people. If you claim it often enough people will think "there is some truth in it". At some point the rumour about Quake 2 being OS 4 only was
so common-place that I could tell whatever I want, I *never* was able to dispell that rumour. And some other people were working on a rumour that
Quake 2 would never appear.
>that we had 3 working SE boards and a working XE board in Gothenburg back in >September just means we're _really_ fast at moving the boards around, and had >some sort of mirror thingie set up so people would mistake an SE for an XE, >like the magicians use.
Additionally to these Boards known there are at least 3 Boards at the Friedens (and these are different Boards). And I know of 3 further people (not being developers at Hyperion) who have a Board.Actually some months ago I got a bug-report about Sin-Linux on an AmigaOne. Could be fixed
rather fast, though. Was a small problem in the soundcard-driver of the Linux-Distribution used. What really surprised me was that I did not know this guy at all before, and he had an AmigaOne Board :)
Steffen
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 88 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2002 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (strobe):
Why not ? I like name Amiga wery much :) Seriously, Amiga is still a wery well known brand in IT-industry. Most of the current IT-professionals have atleast heard about Amiga and many of them have owned or used Amiga. If AmigaOne would be renamed to EyetechOne and AmigaOS to HyperionOS then who would know those ?
Secondly Amiga Inc owns AmigaOS and OS4 is AmigaOS. Hyperion can't just rename something they don't own. And even A1000 is till called as Amiga, so why AmigaOne couldn't be called as AmigaOne even if Amiga Inc would die, which I hoipe will not happen.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 89 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2002 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (cheesegrate):
Atleast most of us will laugh to you when we see your posts :)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 90 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (strobe):
I would not react same way either. Atari's STOS was always crap, AmigaOS was always great :)
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 91 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (cheeesegrate):
I know lot's of people who sold their Amigas because of guys like those MOS fanatics. Personally I think most of the Amigans are great guys but some of the people here in ANN and other places really make me sick. Grow up, get a life and let Hyperion make OS4 in peace. You have no right to say anything about it's state or anythiung like that if you don't know anything about it !!!
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 92 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Don Cox):
Many of them, but not all. It's true that those who just played games are gone now, personally I think it's both good and bad for the Amiga. But also many of those who used Amiga for something more serious are gone now. And I know quite many guys who used Amiga seriously and would like to go back if there will be new Amiga.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 93 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Q on 31-Oct-2002 12:31 GMT
I just hope when they are demonstrating OS4...everything is sophisticated:
Screenmode at least 1204 x768@16bit, all icons are from the same set, no major faults...gurus etc.
There might (?) be some other press around...not just Amiga press. (Word is spreading) :-P
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 94 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 31-Oct-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (CodeSmith):
If MOS was actually using the Linux Kernel, I would be tempted to buying it. If you would remember, I was (guess one of the few) that was happy when Gateway/Amiga announced it was going to use the Linux kernel. I think Bernie has demonstrated that Linux can be damn fast once you cut the bloat factor (like X) out of it.
Now if your saying MOS being shown is nothing more then a window manager, I think the people playing with it at conventions will tell in a heart beat if it's gnome/KDE or not.
If HYPErion is using a A4000 to demo this and not on a A1.5, just how do you know it's all on the PPC side and not banging away at the chipset or gfx card via 68K coding?
Dammy
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Posted by dammy on 31-Oct-2002 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (SlimJim):
What the heck do you want from me slimmy? I'm just one of those uneducated Americans that Ben "I'm important!" H. talks about.
Dammy
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Posted by grud on 31-Oct-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks, Ben, for answering my questions.
@strobe
The reason I asked was, in the event the owner of the brand name/IP goes out of business, and later changes hands to yet another owner, would the name of the product have to change? According to Ben, the answer is "no" for AmigaOS4 (and AmigaOne as well), because the agreements include the brand naming, as well as the IP.
Just curious from a "how licensing works" standpoint, nothing more than that.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 97 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 31-Oct-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (dammy):
Do we really give a sh*t if you're impressed or not? Do you really believe the world revolves around you? Oh, right, why am I even asking...
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 98 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 31-Oct-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (dammy):
>I'm just one of those uneducated Americans that Ben "I'm important!"
>H. talks about
There's no need to highlight this, Randy, you already admitted it in CSAM that you don't read newspapers and don't watch the news.
WOASE - You are not going to believe this 2! - The Sequel! : Comment 99 of 117ANN.lu
Posted by Serge Guillaume on 31-Oct-2002 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anonymous):
TOS, not STOS.
And yes, TOS was crappy, at least in the beginning.
But MinT is now TOS. And it's free.
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