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[News] AmigaOneG3-SE and AmigaOne-XE Earlybird Systems now on sale!ANN.lu
Posted on 01-Nov-2002 12:45 GMT by koan139 comments
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Start writing to Santa now, AmigaOneG3-SE is G3 @ 600 MHz AmigaOne-XE is G4 @ 800 MHz. See this Eyetech announcement. (spotted via amiga.org)
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Posted by Some Farker on 01-Nov-2002 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Ole-Egil):
Aha. So you will need a sound card. Gotcha. Thanks for the way-roundabout answer.
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Posted by anonymous on 01-Nov-2002 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (strobe):
@strobe
"4) How could you possibly know when AOS4 is due to ship?"
As partners, presumably Eyetech and Hyperion are working closely together no?
What surprises me though is that Eyetech have basically preempted Hyperion by revealing details about the state of development. Why didn't they just say that OS4 will be available when it's finished?
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Posted by Some Farker on 01-Nov-2002 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Johann):
True; well, whatever. Three, four. I've suffered along with fewer (believe it or not) PCI slots on MATX boards before (little tiny slot-1 things with onboard audio, max CPU speed of 333mhz, two PCI and one ISA slot, single DIMM socket etc. etc.)
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Posted by priest on 01-Nov-2002 20:34 GMT
Interesting that morphos-news.de has not caught this news item... it is yet another MOS compatible motherboard after all, RIGHT?
(or was the recent thendic announcement just some hot air) ;p
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Posted by Some Farker on 01-Nov-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (priest):
Hmm, I didn't think they'd had one on hand to develop/test Morph-OS on. Now that they're commercially available, they might get it developed. Who knows? Would be neat to have a 3-OS capable board though. Four, if the AROS teams gets so inclined...Heck, five - maybe someone will recompile BeOS :-)
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Posted by strobe on 01-Nov-2002 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (anonymous):
I don't believe EyeTech or MAI is in any position to judge when AOS4 will be stable. The best they could do is a quiet whisper in a hallway which may or may not have anything to do with real developments.
EyeTech/MAI: Hey Ben, uh, AmigaOS 4 is going to be available soon, right?
Ben (eating nachos): mmph, mmph, yea sure...whatever...
OK, there may not be nachos involved, but you get my point.
PS: I'm not a member of YAPNIIRL, but I am a member of RLWDZLS:
Recovering Linux Weenie Disillusioned by Zealotry, Lies, and Stupidity
Thankfully I found a cure, Mac OS X
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 01-Nov-2002 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Some Farker):
I thought it was common knowledge that AOS4.0 will support SB PCI 128 and SB Live! or something.
My reason for building an AMR board is I'm bored. I haven't done any hardware development since I left school... :-)
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 01-Nov-2002 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (strobe):
Good for you. Now what the fuck are you doing all day discussing Amigas? You've found the "cure", so why bother coming back here all the time?
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Posted by strobe on 01-Nov-2002 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Ole-Egil):
Hey, I can always hold out for an upgrade. (hint: Linux/PPC isn't)
What, do you think I would still be using an A1000 in the year 2002?
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Posted by mahen on 01-Nov-2002 21:37 GMT
Why does everyone end up talking about MacOS X when we talk
about new amiga's ? That's completely different (and
complementary... and you can have both on new gen amiga's)
Let's wait&see (and use what we currently have while waiting !)
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 01-Nov-2002 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (strobe):
> How many of you READ the press release?
> There is no estimate regarding when you could possibly receive your order.
> They're already sandbagging the issue saying the process needs "testing".
> There is no warranty mentioned despite the fact they mentioned firmware
> issues which caused the supposed delays.
> They make some reference to AmigaOS shipping at some vague date. How would
> they even know this information?
On the one hand I'm glad that Eyetech has decided to start taking pre-orders for these boards. A lot of people seems to have been waiting for this. But on the other hand I think they could have waited until they had products to sell instead of just taking pre-orders. In the meantime they could have prepeared a better 'press release' that doesn't leave so many questions unanswered. Eyetech propably feels that they are loosing ground to the Pegasos and want to hurry things up. The pre-orders instead of products is a sign of that.
I'll add some questions to the ones above:
How about the coupons?
Is there, or is there not, on-board sound? If not, will there be a sound card bundle of any kind? Included in this price, or will the ability to play sound add extra cost?
What version of AmigaOS (if any) will be shipped together with the UAE emulator? Will it be free of charge? Will there be any support in installing (and using) Linux and UAE for those who can't manage Linux? Will there be an installer of any kind, or is that up to the user?
Will the XE version ship at the same time as the SE? When is that? Can the purchase be cancelled if the board is not delivered before christmas 2002?
I am very cautios when it comes to pre-orders these days. I don't like buying promises. If I were to buy an A1 I would propably wait until I see a press release saying something like: "The A1 XE is now shipping". Placing an order when the product ships can't possibly delay deliverance considerably, and I wouldn't risc my money. But thats just me. Some people have propably already paid for the promises ...
Last, I have a reflection about the price. I think it's rather expensive. The SE board (which is a quite uninteresting product) will cost 580 euro excluding local taxes as VAT. In Sweden we have 25% VAT (high, I know). That means a price of 725 euro. GGS-Data has now begun to sell the Pegasos in Sweden for SEK 5750, which is about 630 euro including the 25% VAT. That is a price difference of 100 euros. And that is for a board that really shouldn't be compared to the A1 SE, and in some ways even outperforms the A1 XE when it comes to features.
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Posted by strobe on 01-Nov-2002 22:10 GMT
Heh, I completely forgot about those coupons.
I guess I can't fault EyeTech for forgetting them as well.
The price comparison is interesting. Does the Pegasos come with a warranty?
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Posted by Paul Mellor on 01-Nov-2002 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (takemehomegrandma):
AmigaOne Prebuilt Systems from Eyetech (starter systems and power systems) include Soundblaster Live sound cards.
There are more details of these systems in the Eyetech double page advert in the latest issue of "Total Amiga" <http://wwww.totalamiga.org>
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Posted by onetrack on 01-Nov-2002 23:39 GMT
Tomorrows show..
Hey can someone who's going to the show provide a -real- report on the pegosos/a1 boards.. detail what they're running, etc..
I think we can all agree that another show report saying that it ' boots fast ' and some more really long distance shots of people standing by computers isn't needed.. this seems to be a well put together show with a lot of amiga people involved. Someone make a presenter install M.A.M.E. and report on that =] I want to build an arcade cabinet using a pegosos.
As many details as possible is all the public (me) is asking from those going to the show.
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 00:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Dave):
I just got another 512MB of SDRAM 133Mhz at Best Buy for $59 (-there was a special $50 off and $20 rebate). That should work fine on the A1
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 00:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (MIKE):
If someones buys the A1 is because they want to run AmigaOS, not because they want only Linux. So your point makes no sense.
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 01:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Ole-Egil):
How do I know if my RAM is registered or not? Does it come with a membership card? :-p
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 01:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (strobe):
Buddy, I don't know if you realized, but this is ANN, not AmigaOne mailing list, so why don't you post your questions there or email Eyetech and come back with the answers?
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Some Farker):
Does anyone really uses the onboard sound chip on a PC other than clueless users who buy a computer and don't change anything until it dies? Personally my sound card was the first one to go when I got a PC. I wouldn't want an onboard sound chip, minimum I want a Soundblaster Live! (which is supported by AmigaOS4 IIRC).
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 01:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Johann):
>So, you have only 3 useful PCI slots in AmigaOne.
One Soundcard, one Firewire (when drivers will be available) and I still have one PCI slot available for I don't know what.
I have 1 AGP and 5 PCI on my PC mobo, here's the config:
AGP: Voodoo3 (Being replaced this weekend by a Radeon)
PCI1: SoundBlaster Live!
PCI2: DVD decoder (that I never use) (Won't need on the AmigaOne with a Radeon)
PCI3: FireWire card
PCI4: Ethernet card (onboard on the AmigaOne)
PCI5: Nothing as its space is taken by the modem on the ISA slot (which is present on the AmigaOne board anyway)
So, 3 PCI slots are pretty good for me. My CDRW is an external FW so I hope to see a FW card supported soon (and USB2.0 would be nice, too)
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Posted by Amigist on 02-Nov-2002 01:20 GMT
takemehomegrandma:
Very good points in your message! The product is finished but it is NOT yet very real... Manufacturing AmigaOnes needs money/resources and I don't really want to rush my hard earned money to something like Eyetech/Amiga/Hyperion co-operation IF it needs my money before the final product. Come on people, it's 2003 soon! I can walk to a nearest shop and buy Mac (it is real and I can buy it tomorrow)! Amiga Inc. - they owe something to coupon buyers already... !
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Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 01:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (anonymous):
>What surprises me though is that Eyetech have basically preempted
>Hyperion by revealing details about the state of development.
Not a big deal, you'll read more tomorrow (and I'm not guessing)
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Posted by buzz on 02-Nov-2002 01:51 GMT
Although i wouldnt quite word it the same, i do agree with much of what mr. anonymous wrote earlier.
AmigaOne/Pegasos.. hmmm.. *yawn*
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Posted by somnambulist on 02-Nov-2002 02:46 GMT
BFD.
So a distributor of the TeronCX announces that they'll soon start taking preorders, just like they've always done, and they announce their price on the TeronPX.
Why on earth do some people act like they can't contain themselves over an announcement of an announcement of a preorder of previously announced and sold redistributed hardware which one day is supposed to be running what we're waiting for, AmigaOS 4, but it does not yet do so? The most moronic of e.g. the Amiga.org clientele look like retarded chimpanzees in an insane asylym who just were promised the same weekly banana rations as before, but hey, it's a NEW promise.
Wake me up when AmigaOS runs on new hardware, like a PowerMac or PowerBook. What the hell, it doesn't even have to be *new*, it could even be outdated stuff like a TeronCX/"AmigaOneSE" or the Pegasos.
If you're going to WOA, do us a favor and laugh in that incompetent lying crook Alan Redhouse's ugly face for us. Give him a big fat fist on the nose for each time he says "the new Amiga", "we have made" or some other blatant lie like that. If you see anyone from that cowboy outfit "Amiga Inc", spit on them from us all.
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Lando):
An iMac costs $799, and can be shipped from your local distribution point. The cheapest A1 bare board price is about $580. That leaves you just over $200 to spend on all the other components, taxes and shipping. So you'll be using $5 cables, unbranded RAM, tiny hard disk, cheap beige plastic case, etc. and I guess you will using it remotely, since you can't afford a monitor (the iMac display is included)
Yes, the iMac is much better value for money than any of these feeble offerings. Look, if you're going to be an Amiga zealot then an extra $500 or $10 000 was never going to stop you from owning a new machine "PeeCee owners will be really jealous when they see me boot it, over and over and over to prove how superior it is"
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Posted by Alkemyst on 02-Nov-2002 04:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Anonymous):
the Imac has been around longer.
IS Mass produced.
Has sold lots.
Made by a firm with more money.
So 4 factors=cheaper
So ofcores the Imac is cheaper.
Stop this comparing with mass produce HW by big HW firms.
compare the Aone to the Pegasos at best.
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Posted by strobe on 02-Nov-2002 04:51 GMT
The prices aren't bad actually. I didn't expect anybody to complain about that part. These (incl. the Pegasos) are the cheapest non-Apple PowerPC-based boards on the market. Given the size of the market the prices are good.
Not that I'm going to buy something that runs Linux/PPC.
Now if MorphOS ran on the Titanium Powerbook...mmm
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Posted by It's MEEEEEEEE!!!! IN THE MIDDLE OF A F***ING DISS on 02-Nov-2002 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans):
And now about what???? Do we have almost the right???
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Posted by It's MEEEE!!!! AGAIN! on 02-Nov-2002 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Ralph Schmidt):
You too????
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Posted by Some Farker on 02-Nov-2002 06:16 GMT
I wonder what's going to happen tomorrow morning...
<looks at clock>
GAH! Later this morning. Ffff...I'm off. Bedtime. I'm surprised the missus hasn't dragged me off by my ear...!
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Posted by smp266 on 02-Nov-2002 06:29 GMT
Before Christmasaround a month until delivery. You will have to order with your dealer or hope they pick-up extra stock.
Pre-order is actually becoming more common in certain hobbies, it gives companies are chance to cut costs. Plus dealers don't end up with a bunch of stock that nobody wants.
If they stay true, they won't actually charge you until the item is shipped or received by you.
So please ask your dealer about that. Then come back and whinge if they do want the money up front.
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Posted by Don Cox on 02-Nov-2002 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (mahen):
"Why does everyone end up talking about MacOS X when we talk
about new amiga's ? That's completely different (and
complementary... and you can have both on new gen amiga's)"
Is it possible to buy a Mac OS X CD without buying a Mac?
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Posted by Don Cox on 02-Nov-2002 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (takemehomegrandma):
"I am very cautios when it comes to pre-orders these days. I don't like buying promises. If I were to buy an
A1 I would propably wait until I see a press release saying something like: "The A1 XE is now shipping".
Placing an order when the product ships can't possibly delay deliverance considerably, and I wouldn't risc
my money."
Pre-order is not the same as pre-payment. Eyetech are not asking for
pre-payments.
The coupons are nothing to do with Eyetech. They are an Amiga Inc
scheme.
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Posted by Don Cox on 02-Nov-2002 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (somnambulist):
"Why on earth do some people act like they can't contain themselves over an announcement of an
announcement of a preorder of previously announced and sold redistributed hardware which one day is
supposed to be running what we're waiting for, AmigaOS 4, but it does
not yet do so?"
Not "redistributed", just "distributed". Eyetech are the official
European distributors for these boards.
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Posted by Don Cox on 02-Nov-2002 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Anonymous):
"An iMac costs $799, and can be shipped from your local distribution point. The cheapest A1 bare board
price is about $580. That leaves you just over $200 to spend on all the other components, taxes and
shipping. So you'll be using $5 cables, unbranded RAM, tiny hard disk, cheap beige plastic case, etc. and
I guess you will using it remotely, since you can't afford a monitor
(the iMac display is included) "
The iMac has no drive bays and is not designed for upgrading or
expansion. The ones I've used had very poor quality monitors and an
almost unusable keyboard and mouse. They look nice in the distance.
Many AmigaOne buyers will already have a good monitor.
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Posted by Darrin on 02-Nov-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Anonymous):
>>An iMac costs $799, and can be shipped from your local distribution point. The cheapest A1 bare board price is about $580. That leaves you just over $200 to spend on all the other components, taxes and shipping. So you'll be using $5 cables, unbranded RAM, tiny hard disk, cheap beige plastic case, etc. and I guess you will using it remotely, since you can't afford a monitor (the iMac display is included)
Let's see... I can build the following AmigaOne 600mhz SE for $920:
Mobo, ATX case w/PSU, 256mb RAM, 60Gb HD, 1.44 Floppy, 16xDVD, ATI Radion 7500 64mb, mouse, keyboard, 17" CRT Monitor.
Only $120 more and I get something that's expandable and a decent monitor to boot... and a floppy drive.
Oh, and here's the new Apple eMac in one of them "monitor" cases (unexpandable): 800mhz G4, DVD/CDRW, Superdrive, 256mb RAM, 60gb HD, ethernet, 17" CRT. All for $1499.97.
Let's build an Amiga: AmigaOne 800mhz G4, ATX case w/PSU, floppy (who needs a "superdrive with a CDRW?), 16xDVD, 32x12x48 CDRW, 256mb RAM, 60gb HD, eithernet and 17" monitor$1181.
Oh no - I've beaten Apple by neary $320!!!
I have just been given an iMac by a friend because the monitor broke on it - quality stuff... Now we know why they're so cheap.
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Posted by smp266 on 02-Nov-2002 15:55 GMT
I just ordered mine. Only a couple of weeks till I get it. It will have to start it's life as a quiet (compared to Athlon 1400) net surfing, DVD playing Dark Queen of Krynn finishing (on UAE) blah blah blah....
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 02-Nov-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Don Cox):
"Is it possible to buy a Mac OS X CD without buying a Mac?"
Yes.
Hint - go to www.apple.com, and have a wee look at their shop. you will see MacOS X on sale as a standalone. $129 for 1-off. $199 for a 5-license pack. $999 for unlimited copies of the server version.
So yes, it is perfectly possible.
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Posted by Minuous on 04-Nov-2002 08:45 GMT
I write a positive comment praising the release of the AmigaOne and it gets deleted.
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