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Posted by Digby on 03-Nov-2002 07:24 GMT
V E R Y Good article John!
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Posted by SlimJim on 03-Nov-2002 08:24 GMT
Yes indeed. A very good summary of the event. Applause.
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SlimJim
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 11:13 GMT
Good article, although to be recognized in the tech world you DON'T have to be
on Microsoft's side - see Linux!
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Posted by Mike Bouma on 03-Nov-2002 11:15 GMT
Thanks John, a well written article (wouldn't expect anything less for you though). Keep up the good work. :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 12:58 GMT
Linux is junk.
Microsoft is surely the ticket.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
You just need the word "billions" on your side. A billion end users, a billion lines of GPL'd code, or a billion dollars.
New Article : Comment 7 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 03-Nov-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mike Bouma):
Yeah he even restrained himself from mentioning the "legal dispute".
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 03-Nov-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
LOL....nice try at flame bait.
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Posted by Mike Bouma on 03-Nov-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Digby):
I made it very clear why I mentioned this in my article. If Ralph himself hadn't trown these legal issues onto the public (or later Bill Buck), things would have stayed calmer and I wouldn't have felt the need to explain, why so many people are acting so childishly within the community.
Maybe you should read it again: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1897
It was a very neutral introductionary article with a positive undertone in my opinion, and my points of concern were positively worded with good faith. These concerns are now verified by others as well, so the personal attacks on me, for pointing out my concerns were IMO an overreaction.
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Posted by Lando on 03-Nov-2002 15:12 GMT
A nice report, although obviously a bit biased towards MOS. I think this should be made clear at the start of the report so people are aware.
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Posted by alan buxey on 03-Nov-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lando):
I dont think it was biased towards MorphOS at all.
he clearly stated that they had the best stands, best appearance
and has full working software and demo systems....that was fact.
HE then went on to cover the current REAL position of AmigaOS 4.x
and the Hyperion work. I'm sure that 50% of visitors didnt see
ExecSG running on the AmigaONE....and of those 50%, i think maybe 45%
DID go to see it when it got mentioned during Ben Hermans 15:00
presentation. maybe 10% of show goers checked out the os4.x modules
being run on a beta-testers A4000 system (cyberstormPPC/060)
alan
New Article : Comment 12 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 03-Nov-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Linux is the exception, not the rule.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lando):
>A nice report, although obviously a bit biased towards MOS. I think
>this should be made clear at the start of the report so people are aware.
What? Biased towards MOS when MOS was only covered in the beginning by stating that they had the most impressive stand (and they did! as they have in so many other shows lately). That is not bias. That is a fact. The MOS stand made Amiga look like an amateur show.
The article then went on to discuss the current progress made by Eyetech and Hyperion and Amiga Inc.'s deal. It was even pretty optimistic in this regard. How on earth can that be biased towards MOS?
Or did I misunderstand? Did you mean the bias was against MOS? If so, one could certainly make the observation that given the size of MOS presence they might have deserved more space in the article as well, but that is obviously more of a matter or opinion and well within author's discression.
Thank you for the article, I enjoyed it.
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Posted by StAn on 03-Nov-2002 17:24 GMT
Troll feeders :)
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Posted by Alan Anthony on 03-Nov-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (alan buxey):
I aggree, to me the article did seem fairly neutral. I went to the
show and saw most of this stuff for myself, and while I won't be going
the MorphOS route, the presentation of their stand and staff was
excellent, althought the product did seem to be doing a lot of
crashing. Conversly The Amiga stuff wasn#t presented very well at all.
There shoul have been some sort of timed demos and some signs saying
what was what. It seems mad for the Hyperion guys to come all the way
to the show and then not wave the flags and show off what they have
done. Still I guess you can't be an expert programmer and a supreme
marketeer. :-)
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Posted by SlimJim on 03-Nov-2002 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Alan Anthony):
> It seems mad for the Hyperion guys to come all the way
> to the show and then not wave the flags and show off what they have
> done. Still I guess you can't be an expert programmer and a supreme
> marketeer. :-)
It would seem that they WERE planning to wave some flags (i.e showing off
a booting AOS4 in a semi-usable state), and this was probably why they confirmed
their attendance. However it was said they missed the deadline by a couple of
days. Apparently Ben did a good speech though (and execSE was running on AOne),
so it was not all in waste, I suppose.
Where are those speech transcripts?
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SlimJim
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Posted by Ferry on 03-Nov-2002 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
What's worse, M$ uses to buy everything it wants/needs/likes...
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Posted by strobe on 03-Nov-2002 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (SlimJim):
Couple of days, yea right.
*eyes rolling out of sockets*
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Posted by SlimJim on 04-Nov-2002 01:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (strobe):
It must be an easy life being a cynic...
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SlimJim
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 04-Nov-2002 07:59 GMT
I think the article was too neutral. I suspect John to be one of those who never have an opinion. You bastard!
:-)
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Posted by Rodney McDonell on 04-Nov-2002 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lando):
Biased towards MOS? I got the opinion, he would be an AOS support before MOS, but also though he did a great job at showing what both teams had running. The fact is, MOS did have more people, more machines and an actualy OS running.
Hyperion, Amiga Inc and Eytech didnt have half the stuff they have.
Im not a MOS supporter, im an AOS supporter (not that i dont want to try MOS) but even i can see the MOS team had a bigger better turn out then the Amiga Team.
Although both teams did very very well to get their and show off their stuff. To see AOS4 Kernel running on AmigaOne was very promising. And Fleecy having said it only took 5 days to get it running on the A1 is also reasuring!!!
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Nov-2002 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (SlimJim):
We came there to talk to certain people and basically to give people an idea on the development status of OS 4.
And show off Exec SG running on the AmigaOne ofcourse :)
The thing about missing the emulation integration deadline by a few days is actually true but this relates to the Cyberstorm version obviously.
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Posted by alan buxey on 04-Nov-2002 09:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (strobe):
...no, its true. By thursday CyberStormPPC version of os4.0 should
have the 68k emulation integrated....
of course...thats if the Friedens havent caught some English flu or cold
during their visit :-|
Alan
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Posted by Lando on 04-Nov-2002 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
>What? Biased towards MOS when MOS was only covered in the beginning by stating
>that they had the most impressive stand (and they did! as they have in so many
>other shows lately). That is not bias. That is a fact. The MOS stand made
>Amiga look like an amateur show.
Biased in that it doesn't mention the fact of MOS crashing at any and every opportunity - only that the silver cases looked pretty (ain't that sweet). Mention MOS crashing and you're accused of being biased towards OS4 (see CD's comments on the show report that amon re submitted). So I figure glossing over it's inadequacies should be just as much of a crime. Right?
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Posted by priest on 04-Nov-2002 18:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (alan buxey):
or endup spending all their time in the internet...
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Posted by strobe on 04-Nov-2002 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Lando):
Lando, grow a penis. Your smooth crotch is embarassing everybody.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Nov-2002 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Lando):
>Biased in that it doesn't mention the fact of MOS crashing at any and every
>opportunity - only that the silver cases looked pretty (ain't that sweet).
Perhaps it didn't for that writer. Some said it never crashed for them. But that is hardly my point... See below.
>Mention MOS crashing and you're accused of being biased towards OS4 (see CD's
>comments on the show report that amon re submitted). So I figure glossing over
>it's inadequacies should be just as much of a crime. Right?
Wrong. CD never accused person of bias towards MOS just because they mentioned it crashing (heck, the person even admitted to bias and applauded CD for saying so himself!), just because the posting in question only concentrated on the bugs in MOS (not its features, and believe me, there are plenty of those) while extensively covering OS4 of which much little was shown. Certainly some of this could be attributed to ignorace, but since the author already admitted to bias we can safely conculde it was just that - bias. As CD pointed out.
Back to this article we are commenting... What I strongly disagree with is the silly notion that the article in question here is biased towards MOS. True, it doesn't mention it crashing. Hell, it hardly mentions MOS at all - only the appearance of their stand (the writer probably didn't care or try MOS much, which is ok - no problem with me). Most of the article goes on covering OS4. And does so with very forgiving optimism in my opinion.
My only point was: it is completely crazy to claim this article biased towards MOS when it only discusses their stand very shortly before going on to discuss OS4 very extensively and positively. If anything, the article was ignorant of MOS - be it its strenghtnesses or its weaknesses.
I find it pretty silly that people are cheering immensely for a text based console running a new kernel, without stopping to contemplate possible bugs its end-result may feature when more complete, and go on a bashing spree for another operating system that is presented (and well presented with serious PR effort, might I add, something not evident for OS4) in its full glory, albeit in beta state. Well, I guess that's bias for you.
I just wonder, and I say this with full respect towards Hyperion's efforts, how much a text based console for Quark (MOS kernel) would have meant for you people if OS4 beta would've been up an running on 12 silvery machines next to it...
OS4 fans buning a MOS poster after the show speaks volumes for me. Yeah, that really happened.
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