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Posted on 03-Nov-2002 22:09 GMT by Amon_Re128 comments
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The first DivX from WoA2002 Online! The first DivX is online! you can get it here on my site.
This file will be online for about 8 hours, after that i'll remove the download (i have very limited traffic), please set up a mirror somewhere :)
Sorry for the shaky image, but it's the first time i filmed something like this, and also, the image quality isn't what i'd hoped, however, i'll improve on this situation asap. (consider this V1.0 ^_^) Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 1 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 03-Nov-2002 21:17 GMT
What kind of connection is the server on? I get less than 10kB/s!!! (The download would take 17h with that speed.)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 2 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 21:31 GMT
i get 1200 cps... will take about 140 hrs, or 5-6 days :)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 3 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 03-Nov-2002 21:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
I now get only 3kB/s although my connection is capable of over 3MB/s... :-(
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 4 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 21:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Marcus Sundman):
It's on a very very slow connection, don't kill me :)
(If you really must know, it's on adsl)
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 5 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amon_Re):
I'm affraid the i had to shut down the server, the problem is that to many people are connecting and my connection is shoking, i'm currently installing mod_throttle & i'll put it back online asap.
I'm very sorry for this,
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 6 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik on 03-Nov-2002 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amon_Re):
I can help with bandwidth - mail me the file and I'll put it up on a server with quite good capacity. :)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 7 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Henrik):
I'm currently implementing Mod_throttle, i can't email you the file tho, my ISP would choke on it (they use exchange...)
Site should be back up in afew minutes
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 8 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 22:21 GMT
is this a "video" ?......and showing good stuff about os4 and bad stuff
about morphos ? or what Christophe Decanini ?
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 9 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 22:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
I'm not Christophe Decanini
It's a shaky vid i shot at WoA, it shows the Mos stand, it show the other stands, it has the presentations (except Alan's)
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 10 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik on 03-Nov-2002 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Amon_Re):
ok...i see. If you think you can handle it, thats good. :)
If you want a mirror just say so, and I'll put one up for you. You could send me the file through ftp, icq or some other way in that case.
Contact me by email if/when you'd like to send me the file.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 11 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Amon_Re):
i know your not Christophe... :) i was asking him if he feels this video
is as biased as he thought of your "report"
if this video shows the mos stand, i guess we'll see alot of mos crashing
and thats not you fault...
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 12 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 03-Nov-2002 22:35 GMT
About crahsing an OS :)
You know it's really easy to make an OS crashing, I even achieve to
crash easily MacOS X or Linux so... :) If someone want to make a video
of an OS crashing it can be done with every OSes on this planet :)
I really wonder what there is on this video, but yes there were some
guys that loved to play to make the Pegasos crashing at this show :(
This game can be made also with classic Amigas and I don't speak about
the betas stuffs of OS 4 which are also easily crashable :)
But this kind of plays are rarely normal usage of the OSes. In normal
usage situation a Pegasos running MorphOS is not more unstable than an
Amiga running AmigaOS 3.9.
Regards
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 13 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 22:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Steve):
the site should be back up & running correctly now.
About the vid, no i didn't play to make MOS crash, but i do think it's fair to say that an OS shouldn't lose it's icons when dragging windows over eachothers :)
(I didn't catch that on the movie, but another guy did, he was going to put his vid online too)
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 14 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 22:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Steve):
exactly....computers can crash....so just because mos did that at the show
then Christophe feels this report is OS4 biased....wierd logic..
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 15 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Cpt. Crunch on 03-Nov-2002 22:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
>the site should be back up & running correctly now.
>
>About the vid, no i didn't play to make MOS crash, but i do think it's fair >to say that an OS shouldn't lose it's icons when dragging windows over >eachothers :)
>
>(I didn't catch that on the movie, but another guy did, he was going to put >his vid online too)
>
>Amon_Re
This dragging bug put aside, how did you feel about MorphOS? I'm eagerly waiting for both AOS4.0 and MorphOS to be for sale!
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 16 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
>(I didn't catch that on the movie, but another guy did, he was going to put his vid online too)
OHH MAN.....*I WANT THAT MOVIE* :)))) IM GONNA MIRROR IT FOR YEARS
sorry couldn't resist :))
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 17 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 03-Nov-2002 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
Well it looks that you are not the only one reporting such freeze.I apologize having shouting loud too soon. I thought it was deliberate to bash MorphOS. I know some beta testers having no such problems with earlier releases of MorphOS. Maybe they should not have installed the latest release. I will get more info to understand what happened there.
Thank you for the video. I did not see it yet, I hope we will have mirrors soon.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 18 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 22:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Cpt. Crunch):
The first thing that strikes you about MorphOS is that it looks very nice, no question about that. It also felt quite slick in moving stuff, but thats basicly due to the gfx/cpu mussle it has. (G3 vs 68K), nothing wrong there, however, pretty looks do not make an OS good, it still has quite afew glitches, and judging from the crash with frogger i'd say no MP (or buggy MP) and that's a shame, as this renders MOS into the AOS3.9 area of stability (one stray app & you go down). It's still to early to fully judge it.
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 19 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 03-Nov-2002 22:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Amon_Re):
Hi Amon_Re
I look forward to seeing your video and Axemans as well.
How about uploading the vid to Aminet.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 20 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Rob):
I will upload to aminet & maybe to Henrik, but that won't be today.... i'll upload it at work & conserve my bandwidth :)
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 21 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 03-Nov-2002 23:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
Hello,
I think the icon refresh prob was a config problem because it doesn't
happen here :)
Regards
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 22 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 03-Nov-2002 23:03 GMT
i could mirror it for me... contact me on irc, ircnet or efnet as hagge.
btw, why divx, divx is evil.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 23 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 23:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Frodon):
is that a bug then ? can you recreate that 'bug' on your system ? by configuring ?
its a shame that people who don't know the system, travels around demoing it..
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 24 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Nov-2002 23:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Hagge):
Simple reason, time, this is just a quick low quality grab (i'm out of storage space) In the coming weeks i'll do a regrab (maybe in SVCD format), this isn't polished or anything, but really a quick job (wanted to be the first ^_^)
Amon_Re
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 25 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 03-Nov-2002 23:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Hello,
I didn't achieve to reproduce it on my Pegasos for now...
Bye
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 26 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 03-Nov-2002 23:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Hagge):
Why is DivX evil ? There *do* exist Amiga players for it now :)
Steffen
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 27 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Steffen Haeuser):
yup, and they may be free too now, thanks to Fabio 'GLP warrior' Alemagna
who thinks noone of them work anyway, and they should be free :)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 28 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 03-Nov-2002 23:20 GMT
Could somebody please set up a mirrror ? or mail me an URL or ftp server I could download it from so I can set one up ?
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 29 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 03-Nov-2002 23:48 GMT
Damn. I wish I had broadband. It's outta my modems reach! ;) Can anyone tell us if there's anything interesting done or said in it?
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 30 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 04-Nov-2002 00:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (KenH):
How about transcripts? Please? Even if I could download it, I am, as mentioned,
sitting on a mountain in Chile, and this computer doesn't have any loudspeakers...
.
SlimJim
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 31 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 04-Nov-2002 01:23 GMT
would be better if this was first sent to some folks who can put up mirrors so it could be downloaded easily later. But good effort anyway (just a couple of days left for dwnld to be finished... :)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 32 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 04-Nov-2002 05:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Steffen Haeuser):
yes it does, but I can't see them.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 33 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 04-Nov-2002 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (SlimJim):
Since _when_ are you sitting on a mountain in Chile? And what the frell are you doing down there?
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 34 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 04-Nov-2002 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ole-Egil):
"frell"
It's a pity that they are cancelling the show :(
/Björn
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 35 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 04-Nov-2002 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ole-Egil):
I think he was looking through a telescope there, possibly to try to locate Dammy's brain; as explained in earlier posts on ANN ;-)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 36 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Nov-2002 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
> yup, and they may be free too now, thanks to Fabio 'GLP warrior' Alemagna
> who thinks noone of them work anyway, and they should be free :)
Eh... that's almost funny, 'cause I all but a GPL fanatic... I'm much more in favour of licenses like LGPL, BSD or the AROS' APL.
As I told Sebastian privately, I was in complete good faith when I asked my questions about the GPL status of Frogger, and I know he was too, when he used GPL'd code in Frogger... he just didn't pay close attention to the implications of what he was doing.
In a way I'm sorry if this cause him troubles, also because I'm not the evil GPL guardian, but on the other hand I know I didn't do anything bad, rather I just pointed out some things that needed to be fixed.
However, I think you'll see nice improvements in Frogger during the next weeks, and I hope you'll still want to give Sebastian the credit he deserves for having brought to AmigaOS a decent (although non very stable ;) video player, even by buying his product, because GPL doesn't mean "gratis" (for whoever understands that word), it means "free" as in "freedom".
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 37 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Nov-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Steve):
>This game can be made also with classic Amigas and I don't speak about
>the betas stuffs of OS 4 which are also easily crashable :)
And you know that ofcourse because you have that material.
Give me a break.
The OS modules undergoing testing are in fact rock-stable.
One tester who uses Amithlon for testing OS 4 components actually remarked that with the OS 4 modules installed his system was a lot more stable.
And he did have access to it unlike you.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 38 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 04-Nov-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Fabio Alemagna):
...Sebastian could always just pull out any GPL code and code
those bits from afresh :-)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 39 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 04-Nov-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I think you are misunderstanding this. Even if the OS code would be 100% bugfree, it would be very easy to crash AmigaOS with an application that misbehaves. Nobody will ever be able to prevent this(neither MorphOS nor AmigaOS4). It's just the way that the OS was designed.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 40 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Nov-2002 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (alan buxey):
> ...Sebastian could always just pull out any GPL code and code
> those bits from afresh :-)
That's not enough... because the releases which use the GPL'd code must have their source codes released under GPL too. Any other release is free from that requirement.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 41 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Fot on 04-Nov-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Nicholai Benalal):
No, I think your misunderstanding..
Steve in comment 12 stated:
"I don't speak about the betas stuffs of OS 4 which are also easily crashable :) "
He's implying that the "beta" version of OS4 (not AmigaOS in general) is crashable... even though Steve has never used OS4.0.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 42 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 04-Nov-2002 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fot):
The point is that you don't need to test OS4 to know that it's easy to crash it.
It's AmigaOS after all ;-)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 43 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Nov-2002 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Nicholai Benalal):
Okay, point well taken.
But if AmigaOS crashes as easily as MorphOS on the WOASE demonstration, you and I have been using a different AmigaOS all this time.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 44 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Nov-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Nicholai Benalal):
Yes and no.
No, you won't be able to change this as long as you don't introduce isolated and protected address spaces.
We do have a limited form of memory protection going and there's the fact that stack underruns won't happen anymore making OS 4 substantially less crash-prone.
It's true OTOH that OS 4 still has a single virtual address space at this point and that moving to isolated addresss spaces isn't possible for compatibility reasons.
The functionality is already there in the kernel however and will come in at one point or another.
Older applications which don't play by the rules (MEMF-public) can then be run in some kind of UAE environment.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 45 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-Nov-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Dear Ben Hermans,
Give me your Amiga, i'll show you how I can crash it easily as often as I want :)
If I want to crash it 1000 times I can :)
Regards :)
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 46 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 04-Nov-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Frodon):
It wouldn't be that hard. Write a C program to free a null pointer :)
The amount of times I've done that, *sigh*
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 47 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 04-Nov-2002 10:59 GMT
Anyway, was Quake 2 available? Did anyone see it running?
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 48 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 04-Nov-2002 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
In my opinion, all talk about memory protection on AmigaOS is nothing but hype.
I don't believe that any form of "limited" memory protection will ever make a real difference compared to the situation we have now. Protecting non-allocated memory will be of little help. That's not where the crashes come from anyway. Remains to be seen if you can make the automatic stack extension work in practice.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 49 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Nov-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Nicholai Benalal):
When you say "AmigaOS" you obviously mean OS 3.x.
With OS 4, we can move to isolated and fully protected address spaces at any time but the real issue is the fact that it will break a shit-load of legacy software.
First DivX from WoA2002! : Comment 50 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 04-Nov-2002 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Any thoughts on evolving to run legacy applications in a separate VM-space (with its own mini OS inside the real OS) and the OS and new applications in a fully protected environment?
/Björn
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