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Posted on 07-Nov-2002 05:12 GMT by Scott Pistorino313 comments
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Posted by It's MEEEEE!!! on 07-Nov-2002 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
@ Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]
>> A Virtual Machine is an Emulator!!!
So the SUN's JAVA VIRTUAL MACHINE is an emulator for the java platform, and the MS WOW is a MS rubbish emulator too.
>> I is like calling a flight-simulator another word, like Virtual Airplane ;O)
No, it's like calling things with their name.
>>The A-Box might be other things as an emulator, but it has an emulator build >>in!!!
A-Box depends on a 68k emulator to run 68k apps (AOS4 does it too isn't), but doesn't emulate anything else under the "emulator terms" you are mention here, a better word to describe the compatability layer in MOS can be "WRAPPER", 68k Emulator + "AOS API WRAPPER"A-Box.
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Posted by amorel on 07-Nov-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (fleecy moss):
"that means meeting agreed levels of
quality, sales and support as demanded by the Amiga users, dealers, developers and most
important post sale support."
How can you demand that when your own pityful attempt lacks big time in that department and beyond.
The name inc and quality and such doesn`t strike me as a matching combination.
Bullshitting is where your qualities lie, that much is certain.
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Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 07-Nov-2002 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Sjoerd):
>> Fleecy please explain how we user of Betatesters I and II
>> can get a licence for OS4. [snip]
>> Please don't tel us we have to buy a new board
I think you'd have to address that question to the AmigaOS4 licensee (whoever that may be) and/or Thendic once AmigaOS4 for Pegasos is available.
But it's certainly not the best idea to buy a board that is not licensed to run AmigaOS4 and complain *afterwards* that it is not licensed to run AmigaOS4, is it? (no offence intended).
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Posted by DaveW on 07-Nov-2002 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (SlimJim):
Thats a big club of people that he is joining then.
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Posted by BenHermans/Hyperion on 07-Nov-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (DaveW):
Dave, can you drop me a line at
BenH@hyperion-entertainment.com?
Thanks
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Björn Hagström):
"Only those who want AOS4 has to pay for it. "
Wrong.
Under AInc's license, ALL hardware capable of running AmigaOS MUST be sold with a copy of AmigaOS whether or not the user wants AmigaOS.
FACT.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Nov-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Anonymous):
Wrong.
Only hardware targetted towards people who specifically want AmigaOS4 must come with an OEM version of OS 4.
Otherwise Eyetech would not be able to sell machines to the Linux market either.
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Christoph Gutjahr):
>> Fleecy please explain how we user of Betatesters I and II
>> can get a licence for OS4. [snip]
>> Please don't tel us we have to buy a new board
IIRC, Thendic has promised to give you the money back, no question asked.
"3. Sign an Agreement not to sell the machine (we will purchase back all machines that need to be sold for any reason)."
Better to start sending back your machines... ;)
Not sure what the BT2 agreement contains, though.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Nov-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Anonymous):
LoL, well read comment 107 and weep.
If you don't want AOS4, then don't buy a mobo that has been dongalised. Buy the non dongalised version.
It would be quite stupid to buy something you don't want.
/Björn
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Posted by Marcus Sundman on 07-Nov-2002 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
<Anonymous wrote:>
> > Under AInc's license, ALL hardware capable of running AmigaOS MUST be
> > sold with a copy of AmigaOS whether or not the user wants AmigaOS.
<Ben Hermans/Hyperion wrote:>
> Wrong.
>
> Only hardware targetted towards people who specifically want AmigaOS4 must
> come with an OEM version of OS 4.
The Executive Update 2002-04-12 says otherwise:
"For hardware which is not capable of being used in conjunction with Amiga WB 3.1 (such as the AmigaOne) we will require, as part of the licence conditions, that a copy of Amiga OS is purchased with all boards sold that are capable of running it."
(http://os.amiga.com/corporate/041202-mcewen.shtml)
- Marcus Sundman
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 13:14 GMT
Is there any place on the pegasos motherboard that would enable fitting a donge (inside the ATX case)?
From the pictures on the web I have not seen USB headers on the motherboard... Is there any I/O on the riser extension iof the PCI1 slot?
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Posted by DaveW on 07-Nov-2002 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (BenHermans/Hyperion):
Ive been summoned by the headmaster, Im in deep sh!t now. Quick someone get me
some breath mints....
( I hope he doesnt tell my mum Ive been smoking )
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (strobe):
> Classic: virtual machine
You got to be kidding?
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Posted by DaveW on 07-Nov-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Marcus Sundman):
Only hardware capable of running it will be targetted at the OS4 user.
By not including the flashrom update the board wont be capable of running it.
Perhaps its me but even a three day course on predicate logic would help
you avoid cutting yourself with occams razor.
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Marcus Sundman):
@Marcus Sundman
[Quote]
...
"For hardware which is not capable of being used in conjunction with Amiga WB 3.1 (such as the AmigaOne) we will require, as part of the licence conditions, that a copy of Amiga OS is purchased with all boards sold that are capable of running it."
(http://os.amiga.com/corporate/041202-mcewen.shtml)
- Marcus Sundman
[/Quote]
But only MB with the special boot-code are capable of running it!
So you can still buy MB without the code, then it will not run AmigaOS4 and you don't get AmigaOS4 with it.
For that board you can use Linux and maybe MorphOS, but not AmigaOS.
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Posted by DaveW on 07-Nov-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (DaveW):
Sorry Marcus, that didn't come out the way I intended and was rude.
Apologies.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Marcus Sundman):
You dont get it.
One board, lets call it P.
Get a AmigaOS liscense for P and you have P* (and some kind of software and/or hardware protection, eg a different bios maybe).
P* must be sold with an OEM AmigaOS license - P need not.
P is not licensed and Amiga has no say in how, when or where you try to sell it.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Only hardware targetted towards people who specifically want AmigaOS4 must
>come with an OEM version of OS 4.
So only AmigaOne pre-buyers now get OS4 later when it's finished, but
Pegasos pre-buyers will not be able to get it later, right? That's what
I meant with double standard. I buy the machine now and want to get AmigaOS4
when it's ready but I'm not allowed to buy it, because it has to be OEM ware
only which is not the case with AmigaOne since it just ships with Linux & UAE.
*Aargh*
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Anonymous):
The difference is when you buy the Earlybird you also buy the AmigaOS - you just arent delivered it at the same time.
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Anonymous):
[Quote]
>Only hardware targetted towards people who specifically want AmigaOS4 must
>come with an OEM version of OS 4.
So only AmigaOne pre-buyers now get OS4 later when it's finished, but
Pegasos pre-buyers will not be able to get it later, right? That's what
I meant with double standard. I buy the machine now and want to get AmigaOS4
when it's ready but I'm not allowed to buy it, because it has to be OEM ware
only which is not the case with AmigaOne since it just ships with Linux & UAE.
*Aargh*
[/Quote]
The problem is that bPlan/Thendic-France didn't want to get AmigaOS.
And those who has bought Pegasos new that AmigaOS wouldn't run on it - if bPlan/Thendic-France told you something else, then it's their fault (or your own, you should have known that)!
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Anonymous):
Right, you also "buy" it for free, and it isn't delivered at the same time.
Like when I punch an Amiga in the mouth, it isn't really assault because I was just warning him how far my fist can move, but in fast forward.
This is the latest joke from the people who bought you "final hardware" which later needed a fix to the board design, chipset revision and firmware update before it became the actual shipping hardware. The same ones who sold special "starter system" cases with an A1200 motherboard that were "necessary" for a shared A1200 + A1 design that never existed except as a concept on a piece of paper.
Note to self: When things calm down around here identify Eytech's "industrial customers" and make them a better offer.
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (strobe):
@strobe
Bplan bootROM allows PC BIOS cards to be used?
How does it accomplish that? Does it also have x86 emulator like A1 boot ROM has?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Anonymous):
Is it legal to accept payment for an unfinished product in advance?
If OS4 would indeed be free for Earlybirders, Hyperion and AInc would receive
zero $ for a "sale" of a copy - and that's not the case from what I can tell.
Ben?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (priest):
>How does it accomplish that? Does it also have x86 emulator like A1 boot ROM has?
A1 boot ROM imitated Pegasos' x86 BIOS emulation, my dear. :-)
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (priest):
@priest
[Quote]
@strobe
Bplan bootROM allows PC BIOS cards to be used?
How does it accomplish that? Does it also have x86 emulator like A1 boot ROM has?
[/Quote]
Yep, it was posted on www.morphos-news.de
(that is why it is good that the AmigaOS development is as closed as it is, no idea s***ling) [ups, did I say that]
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Posted by Robert on 07-Nov-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Anonymous):
> Is it legal to accept payment for an unfinished product in advance?
> If OS4 would indeed be free for Earlybirders, Hyperion and AInc would receive
> zero $ for a "sale" of a copy - and that's not the case from what I can tell.
> Ben?
Who gives a badger's?
If you want it, buy it.
If you don't, then don't.
<sigh...FFS...>
Robert
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Anonymous):
[Quote]
>How does it accomplish that? Does it also have x86 emulator like A1 boot ROM has?
A1 boot ROM imitated Pegasos' x86 BIOS emulation, my dear. :-)
[/Quote]
First time I read something about Pegasos able to use x86 cards was "24-Oct-2002, 09:20:29"
http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=118&page=26
And the AmigaOne firmware was completed "Sep 27, 2002"
http://os.amiga.com/corporate/092702-os4.shtml
So what is imitating what???
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (fleecy moss):
@fleecy
Nice idea, but ...
Pegasos-boards have allready been sold and those costumers are lost for AOS4 if it doesn't come
shrinkwrapped.
Lots of Pegasos-boards will be sold in Aachen, same story.
Don't see people "pre-buying" AOS4 with a licenced-Pegasos as long as it is not ready.
By the time AOS4 is REALLY finished it will allready have lost a huge part of it's potential
market to people who bought an unlicenced Pegasos.
The licence would work if Hyperion were ahead of the competition, but it is quite clear that
they aren't.
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Posted by Robert on 07-Nov-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Anonymous):
> Pegasos-boards have allready been sold and those costumers are lost for
> AOS4 if it doesn't come shrinkwrapped.
Well, shucks. They knew when they bought them that they wouldn't be able to run OS4.
> Lots of Pegasos-boards will be sold in Aachen, same story.
Same shucks.
If you really want OS4, hang back on that pegasos order till you're sure it'll run OS4.
Hardly rocket science, is it?
Cheers.
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
I agree and I would like to add that surely MAI would not have contracted Hyperion to develop the bios if bplan already had developed one...
(the other possibility is that pblan just did not want to release the ROM because they do not allow competition, remember bplan & powerUP... if this is the reason, do not hope MOS for other platforms, ever.)
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Robert):
And that is a problem:
Alot off people DON'T care if it is AOS4 or MorphOS, or allready favour MorphOS (with an open
mind for AOS4). Those people won't wait, and are lost for Hyperion. Good for MorphOS, not so
good for AOS4.
Add the possiblity that Titan and epic may finish some of their projects on time for Aachen, and
buying a (non-licenced) Pegasos becomes more tempting.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Anonymous):
>So only AmigaOne pre-buyers now get OS4 later when it's finished, but
>Pegasos pre-buyers will not be able to get it later, right?
Exactly! You bought the pig and you are stuck with it.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (priest):
bPlan did put some work into that BIOS, and I'm sure such a deal would have needed MAI to pay a price.
Maybe that price just didn't fit into MAI's plans for the Terons ? Remember that Eyetech claimed
to allready have a working BIOS in the working last spring ?
And about MorphOS on the "A1", well that is definitly more likely than AOS4 actually being ported
to the Pegasos. Oh I forget, it is the HW-guys who are responsible for the OS-port in this case
(and only in this case) ;o)
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Anonymous):
> The licence would work if Hyperion were ahead of the competition, but it is quite clear that they aren't.
Well, the A-Box of MorphOS is ahead of OS4, but I've recently got the strange feeling that OS4 will be a lot more than MorphOS1.0. I really thought that MorphOS1.0 would be a operating system on it's own, but I've learned that they are still working with the A-Box... EVERYTHING is run in a legacy AmigaOS compatible virtual machine(or something like that). New Q-Box features are not available, only some extensions in the A-Box which sound like PowerUP2.
At the same time the AmigaOS4 will be a new version of the AmigaOS, not a virtual machine of the old.
I bet we get more real information about MorphOS soon...
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Posted by Darrin on 07-Nov-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (DaveW):
DaveW trembled and said:
>>( I hope he doesnt tell my mum Ive been smoking )
That depends on what he caught you smoking ;)
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Posted by DaveW on 07-Nov-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Darrin):
Fortunately only wacky-baccy and nothing perverted.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (priest):
AOS4 is just as much a "virtual machine" as MorphOS:
Both need a 68k-emu.
Both have (a partly) PPC-native AOS3,x-API.
Both allow 68k/WOS-SW to run on that PPC-API.
Both will come with some (minor ?) enhancements to said API.
The differnce is that MorphOS is running and only need further bug-hunting, while AOS isn't
anywhere near running (in an useable way). MorphOS is allready adding "extras" while AOS4
still has to finish the basics (68k-emu-intregration, PPC-native-highlevel-parts).
I still haven't heard anything drastic that would make AOS4 more than AOS3.9-PPC.
Virtual memory can be had today, is allready in MOS, but who wants it with todays RAM-prices ?
The memory protection is little more than enforcer, and that is not really breathtaking.
The virtual addressing stuff sounds nice, but will have to proove it's usefullness in practice.
So MorphOS is well ahead and it seems allmost certain that it will be on sale first.
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Anonymous):
>And about MorphOS on the "A1", well that is definitly more likely than AOS4 actually being ported to the Pegasos.
Well.. AmigaOS4 is being developed by a SW company, while MorphOS is being developed by a HW company (or have RS quit from bplan stuff). I think it is more important for the SW company to sell the SW to as many HW as possible than for the HW company to sell the SW to a COMPETING HW.
Am I really the only one seeing that point?
(Did the MOS to Teron/A1 talk start before it was known that Hyperion was doing the bios to Teron/A1?)
>Oh I forget, it is the HW-guys who are responsible for the OS-port in this case (and only in this case)
Has RS quit from bplan activities? They definitely are responsible of MOS porting.
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Posted by Leo on 07-Nov-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raquel and Bill):
Hi,
@Bill&Raquel: Do you a Pegasos for me too ? ;)
I'm ready to port ALL my apps/games to MorphOS if you do so ;)
Regards,
Nogfx.
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Posted by Scott Pistorino on 07-Nov-2002 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
Hello Don,
Sorry about that. The date conducted is shown at the bottom of the interview. In the attempt to post the article quickly I didn't put much effort in making it clearer.
Scott P
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Posted by priest on 07-Nov-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Anonymous):
AmigaOS4 can not be a virtual machine, it is a OS on it's own, that's not the case with A-Box.
>Both need a 68k-emu.
Sure.
>Both have (a partly) PPC-native AOS3,x-API.
Sure.
>Both allow 68k/WOS-SW to run on that PPC-API.
Sure.
>Both will come with some (minor ?) enhancements to said API.
And the AmigaOS4 has the new AmigaOS4 API, which is the path towards future !!
A-Box + extensions is not the future path of MorphOS !!
Kernel featurelist (amongs other things) of www.morphos.de is totally useless and misleading for this and for the whole MorphOS1. They are mainly wannabe OS features.
I think this thing has been deliberately left unclear.
>The differnce is that MorphOS is running and only need further bug-hunting,
For the A-Box (+extensions) release.
>while AOS isn't anywhere near running (in an useable way).
AOS have been running since 1984 or so, in a very useable form. OS3.1 code has been running and tested since 1993 or so.
Ofcourse it needs testing after porting the code, but it most likely is a lot easier than with a 100% new code.
Most (IIRC) AmigaOS4 new modules are running in a useable form and are partially tested on 68k developer boxes.
Time will tell how smooth is the transition to get everything on top of PPC. It will take time, but no one knows exactly how much ( at least there's SW porting professionals involved).
> MorphOS is allready adding "extras"
Extras to A-Box's AOS3.1 level or to AOS3.9 level? Like 3D library? Firewire driver?
(I'm sure it causes some extra work to build them in the virtual machine)
>I bet that sure that huge amount of new code has been developed after it was found out that AmigaOS3.1 could not be used, a lot more than just WB replacement.
> while AOS4 still has to finish the basics (68k-emu-intregration, PPC-native-highlevel-parts).
Most of it is the matter of integration.
And AOS4 basics are the basics of the future of AmigaOS, A-Box is not the future of MorphOS.
>I still haven't heard anything drastic that would make AOS4 more than AOS3.9-PPC.
Think neither of the new OSs will be more than AOS3.9-PPC, especially not in their first releases.
They'll miss something, their quality is not on the same level (but they do have some new features of their own).
For me there seems to be quite a load of new or improved features in AOS4, see os.amiga.com.
Where's the MOS list?
>Virtual memory can be had today, is allready in MOS, but who wants it with todays RAM-prices ?
BTW. how does the virtual memory work with A-Box apps?
>The memory protection is little more than enforcer, and that is not really breathtaking.
There is no memory protection in the A-Box, or is there?
>The virtual addressing stuff sounds nice, but will have to proove it's usefullness in practice.
See the kernell info at morphos.de and tell me how many of those are useable via A-Box?
>So MorphOS is well ahead and it seems allmost certain that it will be on sale first.
I'm not as interested on it as I was before.
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Posted by MIKE on 07-Nov-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (fleecy moss):
What are you going to do then? You aren't developing it, doesn't seem your going to distribute it, your not contributing money to it? Why not just let Amiga companies work it out on their own, and get your Ego out of the way, and worry about your AmigaDE garbage.
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Posted by anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (fleecy moss):
@Fleecy
"This prevents Peter Pirate from buying the Pegasos with AmigaOS as a legal solution and then giving all his buddies the OEM CD to copy onto their Linux running Pegasos machines, leaving us with one sale and fifty users. If you want AmigaOS, you buy an Amiga solution."
With all due respect, how long does anyone believe the hardware dongle will prevent OS4 from appearing on comparable hardware? We know that this community is very resourceful and that type of challenge will hold off piracy for a at most a nonosecond.
Bill is clearly extending an olive branch to help assist with making this technically feasible. Consumers would like to see the OS available on a number of hardware solutions because competition fosters innovation and more attractive pricing. This is an opportunity to increase revenue for Thendic, Amiga and Hyperion.
Do the right thing.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (anonymous):
wh000t ..... AmigaOS with copyprotection ?
.... that must be the reason for the long AmigaOS delay then :-)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Nov-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Anonymous):
Yeah right.
We are imitating something we have never seen and which we kept getting told was Openfirmware.
Until very recently Pegasos boards were going out with the Softex rom for crying out loud.
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Posted by tonya on 07-Nov-2002 16:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Anonymous):
ok here we go again, if this aint bollocks (os4 will work on pegasos) then
ok why have we fought like crazy the last XX months? , sure im not against it...and im
one of thoose who got VERY mad over the "YET ANOTHER SPLIT UP" .
To make AMIGA as it once was , well then we need it to be a community, and splitting it all up in MOS/OS4 etc
and the allready SMALL userbase cutted down to even smaller (divided in 2)....
common sense is that 1 or both systems (mos/os4) will die.
so if pegasos will run os4, what will os4 get from mos?/pegasos , or is this just another proof of pegasos wanting everything whilst aos(amigaOne) not gets nothing?
anyway flamers and other low lifes here, should take a fireman course or something or start a bullocks bulletin or what ever (on annother site)
WE HAD ENOUGH "HORSE SHIT" " (tm @ Fleecy moss) :))" ALLREADY.
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Posted by Quantum-3 on 07-Nov-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
>Posted by Anonymous (137.201.242.130) on 07-Nov-2002 10:26:05
>In Reply to Comment 10:
>"as you well know, all hardware must be certified to run AmigaOS4.0 and an OEM
> copy must ship with each board/machine."
>There's that Amiga Tax again...
>"an OEM copy MUST ship with EACH board/machine" whether the customer actually
>wants AOS or not.
>Nice to see AInc learning something from their partnership with Microsoft :-(
What's the big deal?
Commodore sold Amigas with OS's that were "Dongled" to the hardware. Apple does the
same.
What do you want? A free OS you can run on what ever you want? Get yourself Linux.
If you want Amiga buy the product as an Amiga. Just as you would have bought an Amiga
from Commodore/Amiga and it too came with a dongled OS.
Sounds more like you're a Windows user and because of this expect to be able to grab
a copy of OS4.0 and run it on any hardware.
Exclusive interview with Ben Hermans! : Comment 148 of 313ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 07-Nov-2002 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (DaveW):
> Perhaps its me but even a three day course on predicate logic would help
> you avoid cutting yourself with occams razor.
Actually I have taken several courses on logic, several of which included predicate logic (of course).
Now tell me where my logical mistake lies. I said that what Ben Hermans said was wrong according to the executive update, i.e. that "Anonymous" was right.
> <Anonymous wrote:>
> > > Under AInc's license, ALL hardware capable of running AmigaOS MUST be
> > > sold with a copy of AmigaOS whether or not the user wants AmigaOS.
> <Ben Hermans/Hyperion wrote:>
> > Wrong.
> The Executive Update 2002-04-12 says otherwise:
> a copy of Amiga OS is purchased with all boards sold that are capable of
> running it.
- Marcus Sundman
Exclusive interview with Ben Hermans! : Comment 149 of 313ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 07-Nov-2002 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
> But only MB with the special boot-code are capable of running it!
> So you can still buy MB without the code, then it will not run
> AmigaOS4 and you don't get AmigaOS4 with it.
> For that board you can use Linux and maybe MorphOS, but not AmigaOS.
That's what I'm saying.
Ben Hermans said that it is not true that "under AInc's license, ALL hardware capable of running AmigaOS MUST be sold with a copy of AmigaOS whether or not the user wants AmigaOS", but according to the executive update it IS true, i.e. if you sell a board that is capable of running AOS then a copy of AOS must be sold with it.
- Marcus Sundman
Exclusive interview with Ben Hermans! : Comment 150 of 313ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Nov-2002 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Marcus Sundman):
"capable of running"
Translates to -> Has the OS4 dongle.
Same hardware without the dongle can be sold without AOS4.
/Björn
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