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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Nov-2002 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
The AmigaOnes are sold with the Dongle mechanism and a guaratee for AOS4 when it's finished.
But I guess you were either just making a lousy joke or are just looking to incite a flame war.
/Björn
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (priest):
>- use the real AmigaOS (OS4) with pegasos
What is real AmigaOS? Have you seen full featured OS4 running?
Better say "real name AmigaOS".
>- use the A-Box (AmigaOS emulator)
It's extended with its own features, too.
>with pegasos (and hope that the real MorphOS (Q-Box) appears some day)
That's the plan and you could compare it to a kind of "OS5" then.
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Posted by SlimJim on 07-Nov-2002 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
> This is BS, AmigaOne is able to run OS4 and it NOT shipped with it, too!!!
> So they break their own license.
Actually no. Only dongelized mb:s (capable of running AOS4) are allowed to even be
called "AmigaONE". Boards sold as eg "plain" Linux boards will be named something
else (don't know if there is anything decided).
Unless you were referring to the "earlybird" offers. One might say that AOS4 is
shipped with them only with a little (or big depending on your mood) delay. It
still means "one OS per MB".
.
SlimJm
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Anonymous):
The A-Box is not an emulator. It's a virtual machine like Classic in Mac OS X.
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Posted by charlie on 07-Nov-2002 08:37 GMT
How do we really know that is the REAL Fleecy Moss and not someone using his name?
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (charlie):
Because nobody lies on ann.
Hey! Stop laughing!
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (strobe):
@strobe
[Quote]
The A-Box is not an emulator. It's a virtual machine like Classic in Mac OS X.
[/Quote]
A Virtual Machine is an Emulator!!!
I is like calling a flight-simulator another word, like Virtual Airplane ;O)
The A-Box might be other things as an emulator, but it has an emulator build in!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (SlimJim):
>Unless you were referring to the "earlybird" offers. One might say that AOS4 is
>shipped with them only with a little (or big depending on your mood) delay. It
>still means "one OS per MB".
I don't understand it yet...does the AInc license not say you have to send them
the boards and OS4 to have it verified by them first? What's the difference between
Eyetech's "promise" of OS4 shipments and Thendics offer now?
Both don't ship with OS4 for half a year, but Eyetech's Teron line of computers
is called AmigaOne right now - Hyperion just completed the PPCBoot BIOS even!
Do we know how the donglecode is being implemented, did the machines from March 2002
include it already? Sorry to ask so much, but it seems too diffuse atm to me.
I don't like double standards either.
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Posted by SlimJim on 07-Nov-2002 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (charlie):
We don't. Just as little as we know that was really Bill and Rachel.
Guess that's on of the reason to go through "the usual business channels"...
.
SlimJim
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
And Classic can also run 68k apps, that doesn't make it an emulator.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Nov-2002 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
> I don't like double standards either.
Then stop inventing them where they don't exist.
<honest but true>
It's not like you come off like a reasonable person in this discussion.
</honest but true>
/Björn
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:43 GMT
UAE: emulator
A-Box: virtual machine
VirtualPC: emulator
Classic: virtual machine
Bochs: emulator
MOL: virtual machine
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Posted by SlimJim on 07-Nov-2002 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
@ Anonymous
> Both don't ship with OS4 for half a year, but Eyetech's Teron line of computers
> is called AmigaOne right now [...]
Simple, Eyetech agreed to get licenced, Thendic/bPlan didn't (at least up to now)
in short, Eyetech has agreed on paper that they have to follow the licensing (dongle,
AOS4 with donglelized boards). Thendic hasn't.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:47 GMT
MAME: emulator
vmware: virtual machine
(OK, this is getting old)
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (strobe):
@strobe
[Quote]And Classic can also run 68k apps, that doesn't make it an emulator.[/Quote]
No off cause not, why should Classic emulate it self, to run it's own programs¿¿¿
But I think what you meant in the other message, was that A-Box is an implementation of the AmigaOS API, to make Q-Box able to run AmigaOS programs.
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
I thought you meant Classic AmigaOS ;O)
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (SlimJim):
Maybe hyperion ought to just buy a bunch of boards and sell their own "Amigas".
I find the situation a tad ridiculous |-\
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
>But then again: About all the famus chrashing, is this the Q-Box, that doesn't
>work, or is it the A-Box???
I think the only famous crashing is your two braincells.
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Actually I think A-Box is just a virtual machine where all the current libraries/ROMs are implemented. I could be wrong, but as I understood it the A-Box is the environment and address space, not the 3x compatible API.
I would still value a proper review of the technology however.
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (strobe):
@strobe
I think Álmos Rajnai has some good words on this, try to look at "How does the emulation work?"
http://amigos.amiga.hu/rachy/petunia.html
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Exactly. I concur with his definitions.
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 09:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
@Strobe
and here from the MorphOS page:
"... runs as a mixture of a virtual emulation and a driver. We call this OS driver from now on the A-Box."
http://www.morphos.de/a-box.php3
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:06 GMT
I would add that an "emulatOR" is synonymous with "full machine emulation"
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (strobe):
It is hard to find someplace that comes with a good definition on "what emulation is" ;O)
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:10 GMT
I would also add that MorphOS is a "tribute", not a parody ;-)
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (strobe):
But there is also an "CPU Emulator"/"Chipset Emulator"/... That can run on it own, but thats still an emulator (from my own definition)
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (strobe):
@Strobe
[Quote]I would also add that MorphOS is a "tribute", not a parody ;-)[/Quote]
I hope you will be right ;O)
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Well you can narrow things down I guess, like a 68k emulator in Mac OS's mixed mode manager emulates the 68k ISA.
I prefer to avoid the confusion and say emulates the 68k processor.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (fleecy moss):
"as you well know, all hardware must be certified to run AmigaOS4.0 and an OEM copy must ship with each board/machine."
There's that Amiga Tax again...
"an OEM copy MUST ship with EACH board/machine" whether the customer actually wants AOS or not.
Nice to see AInc learning something from their partnership with Microsoft :-(
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
Why do people compare Amiga with Microsoft? The situation is not the same.
Microsoft may try to bully PC distributors into exclusively selling PCs with Windows, but this isn't the same.
Also, I can buy a PC without a Windows license and buy Windows separately. I can't do that with AOS4.
The situation is not the same...it's worse in fact.
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Posted by fleecy moss on 07-Nov-2002 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Steve):
Hey there 8-)
you have misinterpreted what this means - it doesn't mean you have to ship it with every Pegasos, it means you have to ship it with every machine you sell as an Amiga solution - we have no intention of shrink wrap selling OS4 until the market is big enough for us to take the piracy hit. Thus, the only way to buy AmigaOS4 is to buy an AmigaOS solution, which means a certified AmigaOS hardware solution that ships with OS4. This prevents Peter Pirate from buying the Pegasos with AmigaOS as a legal solution and then giving all his buddies the OEM CD to copy onto their Linux running Pegasos machines, leaving us with one sale and fifty users. If you want AmigaOS, you buy an Amiga solution.
cheers
fleecy moss
cto
amiga
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Posted by derf on 07-Nov-2002 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
heh you people make me laugh sometimes ;-) bringing up an old argument that has been discussed loads of times before and ignoring the actual answer.
The license for OS4 means that to buy OS4 for a new motherboard, the distributers of that motherboard need to get a *free* license saying that they will support OS4 on that motherboard if anything goes wrong when people buy it.
It doesnt mean you can never use any other OS on it, so go crazy and get all the linux distros and who knows even MorphOS will work as well, nothing is stopping you !
No license, then no OS4, but you can still have all those other distros instead.
everyone happy now they can still have their choice ?
btw, OEM is not a bad word, look it up sometime.
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (fleecy moss):
Fleecy, I respect the fact that you are available to back up your company's policy, but the piracy argument doesn't make any sense.
If AOS4 needs a dongle, ship it with the OS.
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 07-Nov-2002 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (fleecy moss):
@Fleecy
poor Peter Pirate ;O)
I would like it, if Thomas Frieden would implement a "Peter Pirate" thing in the ExecSG ;O)
ExecSG is too funny :O)
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Posted by fleecy moss on 07-Nov-2002 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (strobe):
Hey there 8-)
Currently we are talking OEM, and for OS4.0 we will only do OEM. Shipping dongles with OEM deals adds cost and is not looked on favourably by OEMs - as in 'why's that great big thing hanging out my USB port?', 'my kid flushed my dongle down the toilet, can I have another' and the classic "I took that thing out to plug my printer in and now my computer doesn't work'. Dongles are not an elegant solution, just a mostly effective one.
For a shrink wrapped version I don't disagree and it is something we are looking into. However, that isn't being considered for OS4.0 as we aren't going to sell a shrink wrap for OS4.0.
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Posted by Bnch on 07-Nov-2002 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (strobe):
Hi Strobe.
> Why do people compare Amiga with Microsoft? The situation is not the same.
Correct.
> Also, I can buy a PC without a Windows license and buy Windows separately. I > can't do that with AOS4.
I think you have missunderstod the license. To call your hardware "AMIGA", get support from Hyperion and Amiga Inc you need to buy hardware with license. The purpose is to ensure that you buy hardware that is well tested with AOS4. Maybe it is wise to support more hardware later on but it is good to limit the hardware in the first step, since Hyperion only need to test AOS4 on the A1 and classic Amigas.
Observe that it is only the MB that is licensed which means that you are free to chose all other hardware as you like. If you want a MB without a license nothing stops you from buying one directly from MAI. Hence, you could build a system which is identically to the A1 (PPCBoot is open software) but dont expect any support with AOS4 from Amiga Inc. (To compare with the MS case, you wouldnt get any support from MS if you used any of thier products on unsupported hardware).
/Bnch
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (fleecy moss):
But we're not talking OEMs, rather retail.
I don't see how OEMs would like having to support some kind of static ROM on the motherboard requirement. Don't pretend this doesn't add cost.
Furthermore dongles are merely one of many effective solutions. Another which a popular Mac shareware company uses. The program generates a key which is sent to the company by web\phone\fax\email who then sends a registration number back (so each registration key is unique). It works very well. Microsoft uses a more complex variant of the same algorithm were the key isn't random, but based on a machine ID or something to that effect.
Anyway I hope you will keep an open mind about such things. I'm not pleased with the current policy.
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Bnch):
I have not misunderstood the license. Not the letter of it, and not the purpose of it.
I cannot buy AOS4 separately and run it on a AOS4-capable motherboard unless it has a license. This is NOT a support issue. I'm not saying I cannot run it unlicenced and supported, I'm saying I cannot run it PERIOD! Not supported, not unsupported!
Perhaps it is you who doesn't understand.
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Posted by Marcus Sundman on 07-Nov-2002 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (strobe):
> Another which a popular Mac shareware company uses. The program generates
> a key which is sent to the company by web\phone\fax\email who then sends a
> registration number back (so each registration key is unique). It works
> very well.
It most certainly does not! If the company can generate a registration key that "unlocks" the product then a cracker can, too.
Haven't you ever heard of keygens (key generators)?
- Marcus Sundman
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 07-Nov-2002 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (fleecy moss):
Hi,
how long do you except AmigaOS4 to be available until someone cracks it and makes it available for other compatible hardware?
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Nov-2002 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
There is no tax.
It's this simple:
Only those who want AOS4 has to pay for it.
/Björn
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Posted by strobe on 07-Nov-2002 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Marcus Sundman):
Are you suggesting authoring a key generator is going to be easier than hacking AOS4? Let's not live in a fantasy world here.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 07-Nov-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (strobe):
>I don't see how OEMs would like having to support some kind of static ROM on the >motherboard requirement. Don't pretend this doesn't add cost.
That's a misunderstanding on your part happily fueled by some in the past.
No hardware changes are required whatsoever to existing hardware.
The AmigaOne will ship with a flashrom containing the AmigaOne specific firmware and bootcode.
This is the "dongle" that people talk about.
It is not a specific piece of unrelated hardware.
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Posted by Sjoerd on 07-Nov-2002 10:49 GMT
#85
Fleecy please explain how we user of Betatesters I and II can get a licence for OS4. There are several boards already sold, what I understand is that you withdraw these people from ever have running OS4 on there pegasos bord?
Please don't tel us we have to buy a new board
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Posted by Bnch on 07-Nov-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (strobe):
> I have not misunderstood the license. Not the letter of it, and not the
> purpose of it.
Damn you sound sure!
> I cannot buy AOS4 separately and run it on a AOS4-capable motherboard unless > it has a license. This is NOT a support issue.
No, this is to limit the available hardware for Hyperion. It is very sane that they FIRST get AOS4 running on A1 and classic Amigas. If they also would have to bugtest AOS4 on 2-3 other PPC platforms it could take another year (or at least a few months) before its out. Amiga Inc has never said anything not supporting other platforms later on and it wouldnt be too hard to support the other PPC boards available (or at least Pegasos and Teron) a short time after AOS4 is ready. Changing the license wont make this process faster.
/Bnch
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Posted by Michael Merkel on 07-Nov-2002 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raquel and Bill):
|We hope that this will insure that OS4 is ready for the Pegasos and that
|this gesture may in some way assist Hyperion in advancing the development,
|which when completed will be welcomed by many Amigans.
|
|We hope this makes our position clear.
[...]
|We have a Pegasos for you. Please come pick it up and let's bring this
|community back together!
[...]
|Certainly, for the benefit of the community, you can sort this out with
|them directly. We should avoid our historical difficulties for the benefit
|of all.
please thendic, dce, bplan,
what is your direction in giving support for the os4 developers to bring os4 on g-rex4000 based a4000-classic-amigas?
i own a grex4000 and am *very* sad (or better angry) that the development team is not supported with g-rex4000 documentation. so i payed some money for that card to be "up to date" and then i am lost. really...
*PLEASE* do smth to help hyperion to get os4 ported to g-rex4000 equiped amigas. this shouldn't be so hard - should it?
thanks and
byebye...
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Posted by mahen on 07-Nov-2002 11:56 GMT
It's really cool to read so constructive / friendly
discussions :) Keep it up ;)
The only thing that worries me : would we, pegasos owners,
have to replace the existing OpenFirmware with something
else ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 12:00 GMT
The problem is, if I buy Pegasos now (and it is actually available) and play
with MOS for the time being, then I won't be able to buy OS4 when it would be
ready, say in a 1/2 year timeframe - I would have to buy a seperate Pegasos
and that does not make sense at all. This would delay all the hardware sales.
Is documentation about the donglecode available for the resellers to make a
bundle of OS4 enabled Pegasos right now? How would a same-level-cooperation
with the sellers/makers of Pegasos boards (in comparison to Eyetech) work,
without the neccessity to discard their fine Openfirmware ROM?
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Posted by Marcus Sundman on 07-Nov-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (strobe):
> Are you suggesting authoring a key generator is going to be easier than
> hacking AOS4? Let's not live in a fantasy world here.
Making a keygen IS "hacking" the product. And yes, let's not live in a fantasy world.
- Marcus Sundman
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Nov-2002 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (mahen):
That depends on what dongle scheme is used. The extended BIOS is used on the AmigaOne from EyeTech as a dongle. Other OEM deals can use other dongle schemes. It's all up to the discussions between AInc and a OEM distributor for pegasos hardware.
/Björn
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