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Posted on 08-Nov-2002 18:33 GMT by bbrockie26 comments
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Looks like the Amiga finally gets some share on the PC news sites around HWConnect: Amiga hardware finally shipping It's nice to know that even though the Amiga, might seem somewhat outdated, in hardware terms, it still manages to get some attention on todays PC-news sites
HWConnect: Amiga hardware finally shipping : Comment 1 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by szutoman on 08-Nov-2002 18:00 GMT
Interesting, as to why Sendo Bailed from Amiga as a partner, "Microsoft will not release their Source Code” Does this not sound all too familiar! But why would they need the Source code if intent can run on everything? I’m confused, could someone please clear this up for me(-:
~szutoman
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Nov-2002 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (szutoman):
Sendo didn't dump Amiga but M$...
They wanted acces to M$ sourcecode, which they couldn't get. Then they turned over to Symbian.
Amiga Anywhere can run on Symbian but I think Amiga concentrates on getting some income from the M$ deal first..?
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Posted by hgm on 08-Nov-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"Knife the baby" is common slang in Redmond
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Posted by m0ns00n on 08-Nov-2002 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hgm):
Forget the amiga, it is the intutiveness of operatin systems that matter. It is the progress of the technology that matters, the personal space of manouverability that you can achieve. Put this with Amiga Inc. It just doesn't work!
Instead of wasting time and breath of waiting, act and learn something new, or at least get a Pegasos with Mos. Go on with it. Create, and be creative, that's what the spirit is about.
Amiga spirit: DPaint, Octamed, ImageFX, Real3D, Amos, Final Writer.
It is about creativity, not about waiting god damxit! The Amiga spirit has been turned into old bitter men! REMEMBER, The amiga SPIRIT is about creating, and whilst you hang on waiting, your spirit fades away and you delay creating till you are an old and bitter pianoman.
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Posted by DaveW on 08-Nov-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Really? Thats not the way I heard it. Can we swap information sources on this?
Email addr enclosed.
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Posted by strobe on 08-Nov-2002 19:14 GMT
Nurse, are you sure you ran out of tranquilizers?
HWConnect: Amiga hardware finally shipping : Comment 7 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 08-Nov-2002 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (strobe):
Just call in the croc hunter.
HWConnect: Amiga hardware finally shipping : Comment 8 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Nov-2002 19:24 GMT
I think it is not good PR when all sites report AOne finally to be shipping when
it is not - and OS4 is only "near completion", too.
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Posted by Szutoman on 08-Nov-2002 19:44 GMT
http://www.mai.com/news&events/PressRelease070902_2.html
Please read this and tell me this is old News
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Posted by gz on 08-Nov-2002 20:36 GMT
even at the risk of sounding like KOMMUNIST talk preparing people for a new era comment 4 has some points that I think are valid.
Many people do wait and whine too much, without ever doing ANYTHING solid to help the position of amiga as a platform. Ok sure, some bought the coupons, and preorder amigaones but I'm not talking about that sort of support.
The platform we have is too small to sustain itself in the long run, even if almost all on these news-sites would preorder os4 and bought coupons. We desperately need new blood and to achieve that, we must have something that other platforms lack and as we can't have the very state of the art hardware, we can atleast have state of the art software.
Back in the old days when amiga was born it was an advanced hw solution, but what made it beat the competition was really the software written for it.
games like shadow of the beast with multilayer parallax scrolling and software using copper and blitter to the last drop. That's what kept amiga still competing with 486's even when by then the hardware was seriously loosing the competition.
To make amiga live longer than just a couple of years more, we need everybody with the ability to make graphics, writing code and to make great music and software. So instead of waiting for "the new era" develop for what we have now, and then port it to the future when it arrives.
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Posted by DaveW on 08-Nov-2002 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (gz):
Been there, done that waiting for a future that is fast enough to arrive.
I've been told that there is a barrier to entry in this community now - apparently
we have to contribute something "worthy" to be considered members of the community. Anyone know where that one started?
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Posted by gz on 08-Nov-2002 23:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (DaveW):
who has told you that? I hope it's not a general impression in the community...
<me going back to develop for amiga market>
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Nov-2002 00:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Szutoman):
This is old news. It even has a date on it, idiot.
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Posted by Szutoman on 09-Nov-2002 01:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
Well, I may be an Idiot and so are the many others in the Amiga community that missed this or who never seen this press release. Just Visit Amiga org Zealot, and you will see that I am not the only one who never heard of them. I may be Ignorant, as you have expressed so eloquently, but by know way am I an idiot.
Szutoman
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Posted by Szutoman on 09-Nov-2002 01:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
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Posted by priest on 09-Nov-2002 04:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (szutoman):
Get a clue!
>Interesting, as to why Sendo Bailed from Amiga as a partner,
They bailed from M$ as a partner.
>"Microsoft will not release their Source Code” Does this not sound all too familiar! But why would they need the Source code if intent can run on everything?
intent is not M$ product, the matter is about M$ OS for mobile phones.
Bugs in intent would not prevent the phone from working, but a bug in the phone OS can be fatal.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28000.html
"Why doesn't anyone want to play? Short-term tech practicalities don't inspire confidence. Here are three: Redmond has at best an annual product release cycle, it isn't used to producing software that integrators can work with, and it has a poor reputation for reliability. Phone manufacturers - and Sendo told me half of the software in the aborted Z100 was their own - need access to the source and they need problems fixed fast. Today's phones have a brief TTL (time to live) on the market, and delays or a single recall can wipe out the profit on a particular model. "
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Posted by CodeSmith on 09-Nov-2002 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Szutoman):
OK, so we now know who Mr Anonymous' ISP is... I suppose we've narrowed it down to a few thousand users instead of a few hundred thousand, but he's still pretty anonymous ;)
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Posted by m0ns00n on 09-Nov-2002 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (DaveW):
>Been there, done that waiting for a future that is fast enough to arrive.
That's the whole point. I, for one, am not going to wait. I am improving my skills on Linux, my choice of alternative OS until something better comes along - it even gave me a good job. If I would have hung on to the Amiga, I would never have been here in the first place. No waiting, one has to move on with oneself. When a good alternative comes along, I will get into it.
>I've been told that there is a barrier to entry in this community now -
>apparently we have to contribute something "worthy" to be considered members
>of the community. Anyone know where that one started?
There is no community anymore. Just because people use a ford car doesn't automatically make them part of a community, it is not that simple even though you are lead to believe this by many "prominent" people. There _was_ a community. In 1996, a guy drove over from the neighbouring village, from where he ran a BBS, and he fixed my Amiga for good will. I contributed to his BBS. People started demo groups together, had copy parties and demo parties. Back _then_ there was a community. Nowdays, there isn't much of a community, just public forums where people can have their egotrip to spew out their half finished thoughts and dogmas. This is not particular with Ann, most forums are arenas where egocentricity and closed minds can be maintained and lived out.
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Posted by reflect on 09-Nov-2002 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (m0ns00n):
sorry, I have to disagree.
just the other month a friend of mine helped a newcomer with his a1200. he gave away loads of ram and helped him modify the machine so that it could take normal 3,5" IDE disks and even butchered one of his own machines in order to do so. when this kid left, he had a couple of hundred % more ram and a couple of thousands % more disk.
We were 4 there that weekend, and I think everyone left with a little more than what they came with. And I'm not only talking about hardware, I'm talking knowledge here. Of those four people, two had been using amigas for the last ten or fifteen years. One bought his first amiga christmas 2001 and another one bought his first amiga in ten years this spring (he had been away for almost ten years, and just now returned.)
What I'm trying to say is, the community is what you make it. I for one will do my part to make it even more friendlier, as I am one of those that just started with amiga.
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Posted by tonya on 09-Nov-2002 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (m0ns00n):
I agree and disagree , mostly all you can read at the boards theese days is spam and flames.
and all of this gives out 1 thing in general, unfriendly behaviour.
For the so called community, its gone one way...and thats straight down, and i would say it all started around when MCC project was to come....
People leave, people get fed up....people start using other machines and systems and still spam and flame here and there...
so in other words if we was only AMIGA'ns who used theese boards i would be pretty sure that all the lame rumours /lies and spam
wouldnt have been here.
If no one really have any interests like what they do, why the hell waste time on the boards at all??
I have about 200 friends still in the community which u dont happen to know/see, and thats what fullfills my amiga time, i wouldnt change to linux/*pc/mac or whatever over this...even if they all moved to it!.
And still about 2-3 new commers a month seems to come, and ofcourse many had an amiga in the early days, now just finally managed to buy what they couldnt afford back then.
so stop nagging here if u dont have any interests in the amiga , and if ur just around to put out negative shit or what ever, then choose some other lame place where we dont read..
pps: if u ask people who left in 97 what the community was like...they would say WHAT community? , it all left in 94
if u ask people who left in 94 what the community was like...they would say The community left in 92....
and i have been on amiga since 1985, and all i can say is the community has been going up and down and yes now in 2002 its at its worst, but that might and SHOULD catch up as soon as something hw/sw shows up (amigaone/os4/sharkppc etc)
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Posted by m0ns00n on 09-Nov-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (tonya):
First, this is not only for you:
Statements like: The X is whatever Y makes of it, then you can pack up your bags and go home. By definition, X is X how ever you or anyone else sees it. Cols is cold, empty is empty.
The whole reason why you dreamers have not got a new AmigaOS that did not come with dissappointments attached, with demands that you would bite your lip till version xxx, is clear. You have now gotten into a Windows cycle, where you hope Win 96 plus will be better, Windows 98, 98se, WinMe, 2000, XP etc. You wait and wait and wait. The clear reason for the state of Amiga/OS, is that the people in charge are like you guys. And in my view, they took Amiga away from me. OS 3.1 was professional when it was released. It had what you would expect in 1993. You helped them take Amiga away, as you supported them from day one, even when they clearly acted off the moon, with Yeehaaaaw and statements like "we are truly a blessed company".
The people in charge now hope in a dreamworld that they will be able to change it all, *or they are some serious "leg-pullers". They are dreamers, but have no fantasy. They live off an established fantasy, unlike Jay Miner, who created one with his fellow team members.
Jay is dead now (RIP), and I do not think that anyone can ressurect what he created.
_I_ am here to gather information about alternatives, or solutions, that are at least a bit of what the Amiga once was - a powerful creativity-enabler. If you want me to go away with my *provocative words, then that is tough luck for you, you are weak, or easily offended. You can hang on amiga.org. You won't find me there.
I loved to work with AmigaOS in the past, as it enabled me to do some amazing stuff, which I could use to get further with my abilities. Then it stopped, as there was nobody left to appreciated the AmigaOS, and the people in charge would never get their act together and do something about that. They relied on a spirit that was and is, since 1998, maintained by sheep with no imagination of their own. When MorphOS was annouced, in the same time as Kosh was announced, and AmigaOS-on-Linux, and people got enthusiastic, it was all great. When Amino became Amiga Inc, many of you let Amiga steal all that enthusiasm away! You stopped charishing this new bread of life, and opted for the centralism you are now a victim of.
Amiga Inc will not get their act together, many of you refuse to as well (seen the movie "The wave?"), but some people here are like me. They are looking for information so that they can stay informed until that wonderful day comes when they can get a new OS that descended from the ideas created by Jay M. and the team at Commodore.
You guys have even lost your view when it comes to Microsoft god daxn it! Have you really become that blind?
Well, I could go on, but I will save it for later.*This is an outrage*, and how long can you guys last.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Nov-2002 13:55 GMT
Well, did anyone else notice that this article is an EXACT "cut and paste" from the ExtremeTech article that was posted before this?
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Posted by reflect on 09-Nov-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (m0ns00n):
> Statements like: The X is whatever Y makes of it, then you can pack up
> your bags and go home. By definition, X is X how ever you or anyone else
> sees it. Cols is cold, empty is empty.
You missed my point. Look at the description I gave you about the little gathering a month ago, and compare it to your description. Perhaps there is no community where you are, but I can assure you that one exists here, even if it is small. I was welcomed into the community by many people, and got alot of help with my amiga.
And about your definition above, a glass of water filled to the middle of the glass, how would you define that? Half-full? Half-empty? It's a matter of perception.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 10-Nov-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (m0ns00n):
m0ns00n typed:
> You guys have even lost your view when it comes to Microsoft god daxn it!
> Have you really become that blind?
I agree with this. I went to a user group meeting yesterday and some
people talk about how Amiga Inc. is supposed to be able to "use"
Microsoft to force AmigaDE (Amiga Anywhere, whatever) onto storeshelves.
This is then going to the secret plan for Amiga OS to conquer the world.
But this is just so obviously silly. Microsoft are not a bunch of
idiots. And even if this "plan" works, it will be years and years before
anything comes of it.
The bottom line of this is just the final destruction of the Amiga
Community as we knew it, as the remaining people are urged by the "master
planners" to go out and buy a bunch of Microsoft products, as is happening
already.
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Posted by Hagge on 10-Nov-2002 20:07 GMT
shipping?
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Posted by Atheist2 on 11-Nov-2002 14:32 GMT
Now that the OS is reprogrammed to work on a PPC, all we need is a Denise (1600*1200 max. res.), Paula (24 bit), and Agnus (32 bit for 1 or 2 Gig chip ram capability), backwards compatible to OCS, ECS, and AGA, running at some multiple of 7.14 MHz, in the 300 to 600 MHz range, and the Amiga could rise like the Pheonix!!!
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