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[News] OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga deadANN.lu
Posted on 09-Nov-2002 12:23 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä18 comments
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Ray Burt-Frost of RBF Software writes on the OctaMed mailing list: "We are sorry to say that we have heard nothing from the katodev team for a very, very long time and having made many, many attempts to get a reply, we have been forced to face the fact that, even with all their failed deadlines and promises, they have let us, and you, down badly." Sadly, following instructions from our solicitor, we have today, been forced to e-mail Katodev with instructions to destroy all OctaMED source in their possession, this includes original and any new source they have.

Unfortunately no one wants to work on a new version here and although we have been approached several times with regards to making the Amiga source freeware, due to certain important sections of the code having to remain copyrighted, we cannot allow this.

If you still want to see OctaMED arise again on the new Amiga, the only way forward is if the manufacturers of the new Amiga are willing to hold talks regarding a possible new version.

So, it's up to you to contact/bombard the new owners/manufacturers with your request, asking them to help resurrect your old favourite by contacting us at: AmigaV2@med.uk.com we will then be more than happy to discuss the possibility of a new version with them.

RBF Software
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Mad-Matt on 09-Nov-2002 11:52 GMT
This is where Hyperion steps in to Port of of the Key Amiga software titles to AmigaOS4. Like Real3D,
This software needs to be braught back to the amiga users.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Severin on 09-Nov-2002 12:00 GMT
This is some very bad news :(
If anyone wants to see what V2 is like I have an old demo version from 1999 (save disabled).
Email me and I'll send you the archive (it's a pity it's not on the RBF site).
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Habla Espanol? on 09-Nov-2002 12:04 GMT
Could this be a fake? med.uk.com does not exist .. med.co.uk has nothing to do with it .. humm .. fake! Just my 2 cents.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 09-Nov-2002 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Habla Espanol?):
Hmm, the page worked fine just a minute ago...strange. The post is definately real though.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Nov-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Habla Espanol?):
Try octamed.co.uk .
I too, read this on the octamed mailing list; so I don't
think it's fake...
Anyway, now that a *real* amiga revival is happening through
OS4/MorphOS, we *really* need such an important piece of
software.
I would register at once if it existed.
- mahen
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 09-Nov-2002 12:12 GMT
Please don't destroy the source!
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Nov-2002 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Habla Espanol?):
It works fine here. I suggest you do a bit more research before shouting "FAKE".
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Nov-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (mahen):
The existing, free OctaMED SS works on Amithlon if you enable the
Paula emulation, so it should work fine on the A1 too.
It would certainly be nice to have direct AHI playback, but the Pooh
Bear utility gives a usable workaround. Also, you can render
your song to a 16-bit file on disk once it is finished.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Nov-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
We however require a different version of NallePuh
for OS4 and MorphOS on new hardware, because NallePuh
makes use of amiga resources, and the Amithlon version
probably doesn't work directly either... But maybe
I'm wrong...
Anyway, it's very interesting... Maybe there could also
be utilities to emulate the aga chipset, etc, without
having to use UAE ?
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Nov-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
BTW, where can I find the Amithlon version of NallePuh ?
(don't remember its name) Just to check whether it
works on pegasos/MOS. (but I think it's only designed
to work under amithlon... ?)
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Nov-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (mahen):
Yes, there will have to be a new version of Nulle Puh for OS 4, but it
is a small utility and Bernie converted it for Amithlon without much
trouble, so I am sure an OS 4 version will appear.
The Amithlon version is probably compiled for x86, and in any case
would not work on OS 4 or MorphOS.
A similar utility for AGA graphics is of course technically possible
but would need much more coding effort.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 09-Nov-2002 17:00 GMT
i have kept the new octamed soundstudio dead for two years. how naive can people be. plus the previews and betas of the new soundtudio were crap. the one who designed the frontend should be put next to a river on his knees and be shot in the back of his head.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Nov-2002 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Hooligan/DCS):
Hmmm.......
So....
BTW, what's DigiBooster pro's current state ?
Still under development ?
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Nov-2002 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
I'm not sure, but I think it's not Martin who converted
nallepuh for amithlon...
A morphOS version (and OS4 when released) would be definitely
*extremely* useful !
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Nov-2002 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (mahen):
> I'm not sure, but I think it's not Martin who converted
> nallepuh for amithlon...
You're right. It was Bernie Meyer who did that, and in his words it's a "hack".
NOTE: The following is taken from the Amithlon mailing list, and is out of context, so you'll have to overlook any references to previous comments that might not make sense.
Bernie wrote:
"Unfortunately, puhderbaer is a hack. It's a brilliant hack. Or rather,
it is derived from a brilliant hack (NallePuh by Marting Blom), and was
hacked to work on Amithlon.
Being a hack, it works sometimes. When you are lucky.
The "fussy" part you refer to probably means that some programs lock
up hard when you use it. That, unfortunately, is not something that
can be avoided when emulating Amiga hardware with an AmigaOS task.
The problem is that Paula, the hardware emulated, is expected to
create interrupts. If there is no Paula, it obviously won't create
interrupts. Amithlon has an absolutely minimal Paula emulation, which
just creates the interrupts at roughly the right time, to make
programs happy. That emulation runs from within Amithlon, and uses 4
of the high precision timers I implemented.
Now, when you start puhderbaer, you don't want the interrupts at "roughly
the right time", you want them when the sound sample has finished playing.
So they get generated by puhderbaer, which gets told about it by AHI.
In many cases, this works just fine.
There is, however, one problem --- AHI and puhderbaer are AmigaOS tasks.
So if a program calls "Forbid()" (or in some other way prevents multitasking)
and then waits for the Paula interrupt, it's a catch22. puhderbaer doesn't
get to run, thus the interrupt doesn't get generated, thus the program
doesn't stop waiting, thus multitasking stays disabled, thus puhderbaer
doesn't get to run.
There are two potential ways out of this.... One would be a modified
puhderbaer which still uses the high precision timers as a kind of
watchdog --- Set them to a few milliseconds later than puhderbaer should
generate the interrupt, and if there hasn't been one, just create it
without going through AmigaOS. That's probably doable, but very icky,
and I certainly haven't done it yet (in fact, until about 5 minutes ago,
the idea hadn't occurred to me :).
The second way requires sound to be, at some point, under linux control.
So it doesn't work with the current drivers :( However, many modern sound
cards have multiple DACs and/or digital mixing; In other words, many
modern sound cards can play more than one sample stream at a time. On
those, the whole puhderbaer functionality could be done inside Amithlon
(although requiring a little bit of multithreading, but that's normal :),
the actual timing would come from a linux-controlled sound card, and
interrupts would be generated as part of the emulation --- thus utterly
unaffected by anything happening to AmigaOS's multitasking or interrupt
handling."
Like NallePUH, PuhDerBaer is freely repleased under the GPL and the source is included with the AmigaOS XL CD. If anyone who does not have the CD wants to have a look, feel free to mail me or Bernie direct. I'll see if Bernie wants to clean up the archive, then post it to Aminet.
Although PuhDerBaer is an Amithlon specific hack, there's should be no reason why something similar can't be done with AOS4 or MorphOS, but I don't know enough about either to make a definitive comment.
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Magerl on 10-Nov-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (mahen):
yes, a new version from dbp comming very soon...
look on www.apc-tcp.de
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Nov-2002 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Habla Espanol?):
uk.com tld was erroneously deleted recently! I haven't checked, but maybe that's the reason med.uk.com could not be found.
just a thought
OctaMed SoundStudio 2 for Amiga dead : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 12-Nov-2002 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mad-Matt):
> This is where Hyperion steps in
Now that would be sweet.
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