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[Web] Interview with Bill M on ExtremetechANN.lu
Posted on 12-Nov-2002 09:12 GMT by dakang (Edited on 2002-11-12 16:57:42 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)98 comments
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Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 1 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 12-Nov-2002 08:24 GMT
Re: OS 4.0
"It's currently in beta testing at 20 external sites, and it's just about ready to go – in three more weeks."
3 weeks ? Sounds promising.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 2 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by dakang on 12-Nov-2002 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (koan):
Certainly does! Will order my AmigaONE XE this weekend (pay day!!!!)
...another tidbit: OS5 will be out within 12 months of OS4 and will be cross platform.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 3 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 12-Nov-2002 08:30 GMT
I am an eternal optimist when it comes to this platform, but I must confess, much of this sounds a little TOO optimistic even for me...
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SlimJim
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 4 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 12-Nov-2002 08:44 GMT
Oh boy.. here we go again.
I have to give it to Mr Fleecy.. he's haveing so much visio (visions?) that mere mortal's can't keep up with him. I just hope he's not hallucinating...Talking about OS5.0 (with X86) in just 12 Months.. Well.. It's been way over 12 months since I was supposed to get my free (as part of PartyPack 'soon to arrive') AmigaOs4.
So sorry.. I don't belive him.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 5 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 12-Nov-2002 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (SlimJim):
Sounds bang on to me. Ive been picking through what I know of what remains to
be implemented ( public knowledge ) and reassessed how long it will take. I
was sceptical last week ( thinking late Q1 2003 ) but P&R issues aside I would
say that three weeks is pretty realistic.
Just a shame that they had to lose 2.5 months to PPCBoot.
Dont think it will be long to MOS1.0 either. Would be nice to read a head to
head review before Yuletide!
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 6 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 12-Nov-2002 09:12 GMT
Oh dear, it all sounds like complete dribbling rubbish.
I hope it is just extremetech getting facts completely wrong, either that or Bill does not have a clue what is going on!
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 7 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Nov-2002 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
Not Fleecy, its Bill.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 8 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 12-Nov-2002 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Sorry.. I was too shoked about that article.
Anyhow.. I really would like to know *WHAT* those people smoke on their pipes... I'd like to have some too :)
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 9 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 12-Nov-2002 09:30 GMT
has anyone even got their t-shirts yet?
Don't forget to vouch/reclaim your partypack's and coupon's when os4 hits the shelves, cause I'm pretty sure AI won't be the first one to remind you about it.
Also three weeks doesen't contradict with what ben hermans has told the public but as mcbacon isn't the guy handling the os in any way I don't think he can be the most reliable person to give estimated released dates (anyone remember all the previous "it's coming in 2 weeks" announcements?) I wouldn't hold my breath for it just yet, and certainly wouldn't order an amigaone before os4 is definitely released.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 10 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 12-Nov-2002 09:31 GMT
that`s untrue? hummm.. so Mr Bill, show me the part of the OS 4.0 code which is made by an Amiga employee..
Ah, and I am allowed now to buy OS 4.0 for the Pegasos? without modification? Yes?
Sounds not very reliable...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 11 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 12-Nov-2002 09:50 GMT
also bill is very good in giving out the truth in their 'own way'
>>all the old Amiga applications run on it -- even the old 64k stuff. You've got over 40,000 Amiga applications that will run on the machine without any changes.
I don't think this is entirely true if anything I have read of project petunia is true. Old soft will work but by no means ALL ever written. And how did they get the number 40,000 old amiga apps? did they run and test them all? I don't think so...
>>>EyeTech is one of the larger computer resellers in England, and they licensed the right to take the project over. The Amiga One is our spec, our design, but they built it.
Again very misleading to anyone unfamiliar. Here AmigaInc makes it seem as they had given the specs to MAI and they had produced the teron board designs out of it and then given THAT to eytech to manufacture. Infact not even that because MAI is not even mentioned in this context.
All I can say is PR crap, crap, CRAP!
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 12 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Nov-2002 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (gz):
Yep, just a load of PR and marketing full. Bill's telling them what they want to hear:
"You've got over 40,000 Amiga applications that will run on the machine without any changes".
"Amigas are still used at Nasa, Disney, Warner Brothers..."
"What about Pentium 4? Bill McEwen: Not with OS4, but it will with our next version, OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships"
How sad...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 13 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 12-Nov-2002 10:30 GMT
Never read in interview with more lies in it :(
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 14 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 12-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
How abou sending E-mail to Extermetech and ask then to check out these things themselves.. And not trust to McEven alone?
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 15 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 12-Nov-2002 10:51 GMT
The more I think about this article the more it annoys me.
If it annoys me I am sure Hyperion and Eyetech are furious as this kind of atrticle can only damage sales.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 16 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 12-Nov-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (gz):
>has anyone even got their t-shirts yet?
>Don't forget to vouch/reclaim your partypack's and coupon's when os4 hits the >shelves, cause I'm pretty sure AI won't be the first one to remind you about >it.
At the WOA:SE 2002 Alan Woodhouse said that Eyetech would not honour the $50 vouchers and it was a crap idea from the beginning. To get your money you have to contact Amiga Inc. - get your $50 refund and then use it as money towards paying Eytech for your AmigaOne. Basically you have been giving Amiga Inc. a nice loan for a few months! With the cost of money exchanging and bank rubbish you have probably lost out too.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 17 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Nov-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Budda):
You mean someone could actually hear what Alan was mumbling?
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 18 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 12-Nov-2002 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Budda):
actually, that's not entirely true.
When Eyetech was in Sweden, Eyetech, GGSData and Gentle Eye came to an understanding about the coupons. They would take the coupon, yet you will not get a refund - until they have gotten the money from AInc. Then you'd get your refund.
That's how it's going to work, IIRC.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 19 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 12-Nov-2002 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Budda):
> Basically you have been giving Amiga Inc. a nice loan for a few months!
> With the cost of money exchanging and bank rubbish you have probably lost out
You must be a bit naive if you didn't realise that.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 20 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 12-Nov-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Really I thought he was quite clear and lucid. Perhaps you only got it second
hand from the video footage or you were where the acoustics were bad.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 21 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 12-Nov-2002 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (koan):
>You must be a bit naive if you didn't realise that.
I wasn't one of the people who took the bait of a $50 coupon. However $50 is $50 and the cost of bank charges et.c should not be put on the purchasers of the coupon, but on Amiga Inc. for making the offer worldwide in the first place.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 22 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 12-Nov-2002 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Budda):
I think it's up to the consumer to make their own judgement;
whether the bank charges would be worth it, whether the
products would actually arrive. Most people investing in this
scheme would be Amigans. Most Amigans probably remember
what happened with the Phase 5 G3/G4 accelerators that never
materialised. It's not as if the "Amiga World" has never seen
this kind of offer before.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 23 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 12-Nov-2002 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Budda):
A loan? So I *am* going to get it back then? I thought it was a donation? :)
I am sure its being wisely spent on designing some kick-ass t-shirt that will be better than the MOS t-shirt.
I have a new suggestion for the club name BTW - how about "Our OS is better than yours" club? (Some might prefer the "Anti-MOS" club?)
Cant wait for the book and the film!
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 24 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 12-Nov-2002 12:04 GMT
Hmmm.... I would have loved an interview with Fleecy, but these interviews with Bill sounds like pure PR bull...
- OS5 in 12 months, don't believe it!
- No AA/DE for Amiga desktop until OS5, not what Fleecy said at WOASE, he said OS4.2!
Apart from that it is nice to see Amiga beeing more active again and who knows (maybe Bill does?) maybe PR crap like this is what it takes to get the name back in the limelight?
When _WE_ read stuff like this we should maybe think that we know better and that it is not an interview directed at us.
OT: Just had a look at an Orange Smartphone today, it's actually pretty cool. Wouldn't be suprised if Amiga's deal with M$ turns out to be worth millions of $$...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 25 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by nOw2 on 12-Nov-2002 12:05 GMT
Oh.. my.. god.. Maybe they used this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28019.html
I don't honestly believe they are reporting what Bill McEwen said. This HAS to be made up.
ET: who is EyeTech?
Bill McEwen: EyeTech is one of the larger computer resellers in England
Are they? They're that big? Wow, how many billion sterling did they turn over
last year? What about computer resellers in the rest of the UK?
Bill McEwen: OS4 is the next version of the Amiga OS, it's a total rewrite of
the operating system. It's brand new from the ground up, rewritten for the PPC
hardware.
Followed immediately by this contradictory information:
Bill McEwen: Well, major portions of the code are still being used.
And as far as we the public know, many of the new components are still 68k.
Bill McEwen: all the old Amiga applications run on it -- even the old 64k stuff.
Now, even if we assume 64k=68k, then what does this sentence mean? 99% of the
"old Amiga applications" ARE the "old 68k stuff"! No need for the "even"
qualification.
Bill McEwen: They're all not as old as you think, some of the newer apps do
image manipulation, and some are for video editing
No, not even McEwen could say that. This interview is faked.
Bill McEwen: They keep popping up, like at BritRail.
As an aside, who are BritRail and what do they use Amigas for?
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 26 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by LieByLie on 12-Nov-2002 12:37 GMT
Bill: EyeTech is one of the larger computer resellers in England
Vague, but false, unless "Police Academy 6 is one of the best movies ever made"
Bill: The Amiga One is our spec, our design, but they built it.
The A1 is MAI's spec, MAI's design and built by MAI for MAI's customers, who include Eyetech. Bill had never even seen a board until AmiWest this year.
Bill: I guess it is now, but only with Linux on it.
A1 boards are still slowly trickling out to beta testers who ordered in March. If you order one today it might arrive in December, or January.
Bill: it's just about ready to go – in three more weeks.
OS4 for PPC accelerators is still more than three weeks away, OS4 for A1 owners is months away. I guess "two weeks" isn't as great sounding as it used to be.
Bill: all the old Amiga applications run on it
No-one knows how many old Amiga apps will work since the Friedens still don't have a version of OS4 with 68K emulation. Best guess is that initially rather less will work than on Amithlon. Hundreds of famous Amiga apps will certainly never run properly on OS4.
[Will it cost more than boxed Linux distros?]
Bill McEwen: No.
Last prices seen from Hyperion are $60 for OS4 without developer kit, printed system manuals etc. Linux distros are often $40 or less (and of course they include all development tools and install support). So Bill has to find $20 per copy to pay Hyperion to make this happen. From where?
Bill: OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships
No-one is working on OS5.
[At this point the ET interviewer confronts Bill with various accusations from the Amiga users, and Bill dismisses all of them as untrue.]
Basically, no tech interviewer is going to reply "You're lying" or "You evaded the question. Answer properly" in an interview, so for a fraud like Bill these interviews are an opportunity to say /anything/ that will make people give him money.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 27 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 12-Nov-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (LieByLie):
>>So Bill has to find $20 per copy to pay Hyperion to make this happen. From where?
From a new and upcoming coupon 'offer' ofcourse, didn't you know that? ;)
I'm going to support them even if their scheme would be illegal, coz I want to prove I'm that good of an amigan. >> sending my money to them as I write <<
Just in time for christmas so that bill can buy some other amiganowhere game than planetzed for his son this year :)
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 28 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by . on 12-Nov-2002 13:02 GMT
More BillShit[tm] of incredible proportion.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 29 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Nov-2002 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (reflect):
Same as never to me...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 30 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Nov-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
...and there are 7,000,000 Amigans out there.
Riiiiight.
Next?
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 31 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Nov-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Bill Hoggett):
>Riiiiight.
>Next?
There are hundreds of thousands of Amigans using their Amiga to surf the internet.
Uuuh, that's beyond a stretch. That's fantasy land where pinky elephants fly and Bill Clinton is honest.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 32 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Menthos on 12-Nov-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Bill Hoggett):
If you try to read it in english you should know that he was talking about sold Amigas, not users. I suggest you read it again...
/Menthos
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 33 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Nov-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Menthos):
Why are you advocated the UTTER BULLSHIT, McEwen wrote?
Most (if not all) were MORE THAN CRAP. He doesn't know
anything about "his" products, "his" market etc...
Most of the stuff he wrote were contradicted by Fleecy,
Ben Hermans and several other people in boards, shows
announcements, etc... And don't tell me that McEwen knows
more than BH on the OS4 subject:)
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 34 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 12-Nov-2002 13:37 GMT
I *must* be wrong on this one, but only real reason for McEven speech I have been able to imagine is that AmigaInc got BIG Cash from BillGates for killing PPC/OS4 business now alltogether. Perhaps it was a deal like "We'll sell those DE/AA softwares of yours if you take care of this OS4 thingy for us" ...
Ahem.. how was that sayning about making deals with Devil? ...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 35 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 12-Nov-2002 13:38 GMT
This is total BS!
I really hope for AI that this interview is foney!
It's full of lies and PR crap
Oh man, why can't we just have a new AMIGAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 36 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Menthos on 12-Nov-2002 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Why are you advocated the UTTER BULLSHIT, McEwen wrote?
Not that i didn't find the whole thing very bothering, but that's another issue here.
Stating things that really isn't in there is not good. People that didn't read the Extremetech article may think that Bill did say that there is 7M Amigans out there, but if you read the article it is clear that he didn't say that.
/Menthos, that thinks right should be right, even if quoting a lie...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 37 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Nov-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Menthos):
He did state the 7 million Amigan stuff in another interview, 2 years ago, iirc...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 38 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Nov-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
As much BS was in the interview, the 7million Amigas wasnt one of them. He simply stated that many were sold, and that in and of itself is true.
There is plenty of other fuel for Inc haters to through on the fire from that interview though :-X
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 39 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Nov-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (redrumloa):
> As much BS was in the interview, the 7million Amigas wasnt one of them.
> He simply stated that many were sold, and that in and of itself is true.
The 7 million was mentioned twice. I'm referring to this bit:
"The Amiga stuff is designed for the Amiga community, the 7 million systems sold."
Taken in context it gives the impression that the Amiga community - those who would be interested in the new AmigaOS - are 7 million strong.
I'm afraid that is plainly BS, no matter how you look at it.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 40 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Tony on 12-Nov-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (redrumloa):
"There is plenty of other fuel for Inc haters to through on the fire from that interview though :-X "
Yeah. that's right, I think it was better for AI if the interview was not placed on the ET site (or ANY site) This was the lousiest interview I've ever red.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 41 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 12-Nov-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
But it's not the same as "the dealers will not honour the deal".
That was what my post was about. Not when or even if the 50$ will be repaid.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 42 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 12-Nov-2002 14:57 GMT
I wish he would someday learn to shut up untill products ship...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 43 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 12-Nov-2002 15:06 GMT
It's a phoney people....Come on snap out of it. Not only is it not offically on Amiga.com but Everybody and there brother and sister and uncle and aunt and ..... all know it's "TWO MORE WEEKS" not three. :p
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 44 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Si on 12-Nov-2002 15:07 GMT
This is a good opportunity for everyone to observe how the media operates. This is a subject about which you know a great deal, and are able to spot the mistakes and outright lies. Just think about all those topics you DON'T know details about! How many lies did you read today without realising it? I'm talking about things far more important than a small computer company -- what about interviews with Exxon execs, McDonald's damage control PR people, Microsoft FUD layers...
... guard your mind carefully...
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 45 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 12-Nov-2002 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Si):
indeed, saw an article today, that Bill Gates gives US100 million dollars to
AIDS research to India..thats mostly what the article said..
well, ok....good for India...reading a similar article on slashdot, 10% of
worldwide programmers are from India, using linux, and India is switching from
Microshit to linux , thats when BillGates took the goodwill trip to India :)
Maybe if Amiga Inc. or Thendic donates 101 million they'll switch to OS4 or MOS :)
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 46 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 12-Nov-2002 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Bill Hoggett):
>"The Amiga stuff is designed for the Amiga community, the 7 million systems >sold."
>
>Taken in context it gives the impression that the Amiga community - those who >would be interested in the new AmigaOS - are 7 million strong.
Anyone that would get that impression has more problems each day than believing some marketing guy. Most of the Amiga's sold won't even be able to run AOS4 ( and thats assuming that a1200 & a4000 owners will ever be able to ).
Never believe the marketting guys, no matter what company etc.
If you can pick it up then buy it, if not, don't.
If he told the truth it would put too many people off and thats not what he is employed to do.
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 47 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by o1i on 12-Nov-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Si):
hey, an important and valid comment in a .. thread.
Even if I admit, that a big problem is the media today,
it is also a matter of view point. For a true excited (tm) believer
everything is bright, from a neutral view point this
is marketing mumbo-jumbo at best and for the hater (tm) it is
the biggest lie ever written/told..
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 48 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 12-Nov-2002 15:57 GMT
Dear Amigans,
"3 weeks".
Don't believe what is said by the ones who already promised you too much.
Or replace the words "weeks" by "months" and multiply by 6. And even...
Some will not like Turrican but he will always protect you. As long as liars are around.
Your avenger,
Turrican
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 49 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by turtle on quaaludes on 12-Nov-2002 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Turrican):
DAMN YOU MOS PIDGEON STOOL PUSHING TESTICLE BOUNCER, WHY YOU FAKE DA MAN MCEWEN TO INTERVIEW ON ET? GET YOU OWN STICK AND PLAY IN ANOTHER TOWN, SUCKER!
Interview with Bill M on Extremetech : Comment 50 of 98ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 12-Nov-2002 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
"Talking about OS5.0 (with X86) in just 12 Months.. Well.. It's been way over 12 months since I was supposed to get my free (as part of PartyPack 'soon to arrive') AmigaOs4. "
I was waiting for MorphOS since the first talks about it, from that day now, I'd never been able to touch it as my Amiga went dead over the process (I bought the first blizzardppc sold) but I never doubt it would eventually come out, and presto it's almost here! (i.e. much more time then we are waiting for AOS4, that's for shure) So stop you nay saying and...
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