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The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 51 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Loki on 19-Nov-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (DaveW):
Have you have ever heard of "Beating a Dead Horse"????
Let it go, you made your point!
Loki
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 52 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Marktime on 19-Nov-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Fabio Alemagna):
I feel the comments forking BUT:
> And, by the way, with "America" you probably meant USA.
> You know, America is a continent, with many countries...
Yes, many countries and it only has one USA which is short for 'United States of America', common nicknames being the US, the states, and 'America'...(insert creative nickname here)
so unless in your country you have invented a new english, then be advised that the term 'America' refers to the United States...not to Canada, not to the Federal Republic of Mexico, not to Brazil, its the nickname for the USA... the terms 'North America' and 'South America' refers to continents...
and before you get your panties all bunched up in an uproar...I have been to both Canada and Mexico, and they do not call themselves Americans...they are Canadians and Mexicans....
American referring only to citizens of the U.S....what do you propose we call ourselves (creative comment #2 insert here)...the United Statesian's??
p.s. DUH
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 53 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Loki):
What is a "contentent" and what does it have to do with the matter in hand?
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 54 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by turtle on quaaludes on 19-Nov-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (DaveW):
DO YOU WORK FOR ELBOX?
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 55 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-Nov-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (DaveW):
You call me a liar?
Ok, read the disassempled source code then, to verify the "touch the longword
that holds the checksum" one. The other needs no proof, anyone with even a remote touch with programming can verify it...
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 56 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 19-Nov-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (priest):
Hi,
If they (Elbox) spent time and money writting/creating more software/drivers
and Hardware instead of writting such USELESS "anti-piracy" stuff, the
Pc Press would surely mention their products instead of this...
Regards,
Nogfx.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 57 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 19-Nov-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (DaveW):
You don't need evidence if it destroyed something. Having that code there is illegal.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 58 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by marktime on 19-Nov-2002 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
> What is a "contentent" and
If I had to guess, I think you mean continent, which is a large
land area, used to group area's of the world by geographic region. That is my quick, simple definition. I am NOT going to look it up, but the continents are : North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antartica, and Elboxia
> what does it have to do with the matter in hand?
ummmm, what does your question about continents have to do with the matter of the original post? Probabably not a lot, shame on you!
WHEW, I was in trouble there, but you see how I turned that around...yes, quick recovery, good job, I must remind myself to give myself a pat on the back sometime.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 59 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-Nov-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (marktime):
Ehm, they are:
Europe, America, Asia, Africa and Antarctica.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 60 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Nov-2002 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis
Please read through what I have written here and explain clearly how I could
possibly be calling you a liar and how exactly you think your remarks are approriate commentary to what I have put. Frankly I do not see it so help
would be appreciated.
I am told that I am flogging a dead horse, only because I keep having to re-explain to people that have totally misunderstood what I have said.
Right now I give up explaining it again, all I am interested in is understanding how I could have possibly given you offence.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 61 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Nov-2002 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (brotheris):
You do if your claim is that it *has* destroyed data on users computers.
One more thwack of the dead horse
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 62 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Nov-2002 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (turtle on quaaludes):
No. What makes you ask such a stupid question?
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 63 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 19-Nov-2002 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Loki):
> America is NOT A CONTENTENT!
Gosh... is that what they teach you in USA schools? And, btw, that's "contInent", not "contEnent".
> America is considered the United States of America.
Probably only by ignorant US people, not really by the rest of the world.
> The contentent is "North America"
LOL :)
> The Americas is Noth America & South America and some islands.
Yes, sure, now go back to elementary school.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 64 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2002 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
And to which continent would you assign Australia? :-)
There are 7 continents - Europe, Asia, Africa, Australasia, South America and North America.
Just don't ask about Central America :-)
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 65 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 19-Nov-2002 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Marktime):
> Yes, many countries and it only has one USA which is short for 'United States
> of America', common nicknames being the US, the states, and
> 'America'...(insert creative nickname here)
Sorry dude, but "America" may be a nickname for "United States of America" only for arrogant and/or ignorant people, for the rest of the world that's just "USA". Get over it.
> so unless in your country you have invented a new english, then be advised
> that the term 'America' refers to the United States...not to Canada, not to
> the federal Republic of Mexico, not to Brazil, its the nickname for the
> USA... the terms 'North America' and 'South America' refers to continents...
What utter bullshit is that... I knew that some People from USA could be so arrogant, but I never got to entertain this kind of discussion before with any of them... Dude, America is THE continent, USA is ONE _country_, and America is NOT a nickname for it. Get over it.
I can concede you the distinction between North America and South America, as that is what they teach you in USA, whilst in Europe they teach us that America is only one continent, but that doesn't change that "America" is not the USA, as "America" is both North and South America joint together.
> and before you get your panties all bunched up in an uproar...I have been to
> both Canada and Mexico, and they do not call themselves Americans...they are
> canadians and Mexicans....
One thing is to refer to the US people as "Americans", because they _are_ American, just like I am European, another completely different thing is to refer to the USA as "America". That's just arrogance and ignorance. Moreover, of course Mexicans call themselves "Mexicans", just like I call myself "Italian": it's not common, nor that useful to name one own's continent,
cause usually if you say the country you are from one should also be able to "guess" what's the continent you are in, and you also get informations about the country.
> American referring only to citizens of the U.S....what do you propose we call
> ourselves (creative comment #2 insert here)...the United Statesian's??
US citizens. In fact, if you pay attention to it, there's NO ONE SINGLE PLACE, in the official US governement publications, where US Citizens are referred to as "Americans". They are, infact, referred to as "US Citizens".
> p.s. DUH
Indeed, DUH!
I'm still amazed of such arrogance some US people can show off.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 66 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by amiga on 20-Nov-2002 01:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (DaveW):
"Whatever way you look at it it is bad PR for Elbox within the "community"
and worse PR for the Amiga community outside of the Amiga community."
Bad PR for the "amiga community" caugh, is good. Cause that is at least truthful
PR. You don`t want any sane outsider lured into this snakepit do you.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 67 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (kessj):
"In America, we're presumed innocent until proven guilty"
That`s criminal justice you stupid. This issue doesn`t fall under that and falls
under Polish jurisdiction(spelled?). And you`re a fool to believe the spin
Helbox writes.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 68 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 01:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (reflect):
Reflect, why bother commenting about things you, as you admit, have no clue about?
I mean comon, do something useful.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 69 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 01:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"The other needs no proof, anyone with even a remote touch with
programming can verify it..."
There you go, only programmers, people of great intellect can understand this,
why not accept that. I mean I can`t think of any other reason, but a gross lack
of brain power, why some get off on there own thing ignoring what is fact.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 70 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 01:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You forget Australia and I would call Oceanië(dutch spelling) a continent too.
But America is a continent and South and North America are parts of that, just like
South and North Europe etc.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 71 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
"Just don't ask about Central America"
Proving your point to be incorrect. You can`t distinct North and South America
being 2 different continents, they are part of 1 called America and Central America
is the third part. And then you got the Caribien and Cuba and what not, they are
also part of America.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 72 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 20-Nov-2002 03:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (amorel):
I agree with you point concern America--I live in the United States and not America; however, people elsewhere in the world call us "Americans" as citizen of the United States is a bit long. :) You are right though; I never say that I am from America.
As far as the continents--there are SEVEN! Everybody knows that North America and South America are separate; just check any encyclopedia. Hell just do a google search.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 73 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 20-Nov-2002 03:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (amorel):
Some people say that there are six continents, but it is not N. and S. America that become fused, but Europe and Asia, which geographicaly makes sense.
http://geography.miningco.com/library/misc/blcont.htm
Considering America as a whole is ancient Eurocentric conception of geography which ended shortly after colonization. Then again Columbus thought Cuba was China.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 74 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous because Fabio is the man and AROS rocks! on 20-Nov-2002 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Sorry dude, but "America" may be a nickname for "United States of America"
> only for arrogant and/or ignorant people, for the rest of the world that's
> just "USA". Get over it.
It's England who called it's colonies in North America the "American colony" which *only* described it's *colonies* in North America, and not the uncharted/non-english territories.
> What utter bullshit is that... I knew that some People from USA could be so
> arrogant, but I never got to entertain this kind of discussion before with
> any of them... Dude, America is THE continent, USA is ONE _country_, and
> America is NOT a nickname for it. Get over it.
I'm not seeing arrogance on his part here, North America, and South America, are separate continents. there are seven total, the above make up two. this is staple Elementary School information, not arrogance.
http://www.ri.net/schools/Central_Falls/v/218/t7con.html
> I can concede you the distinction between North America and South America,
> as that is what they teach you in USA,whilst in Europe they teach us that
> America is only one continent, but that doesn't change that "America" is not
> the USA, as "America" is both North and South America joint together.
The whole world considers them separate continents. You brought up a point that that's because that's what *we* were taught, I thought that might be possible, but I could find no credible source of information anywhere on the web to back up your claim that N&S America are "one continent." All sources I checked, both foreign and domestic unaminously agree there are seven continents, and North and South America are *two* separate continents of the seven.
"America" was never the two continents, "America" was used (by England) as refering to it's colonies. Never has "America" been used to mean "South America" or "The northwest territory", it only referred to it's "American Colony" as "America" which, by definition, stops at the colony's border.
> One thing is to refer to the US people as "Americans", because they _are_
> American, just like I am European, another completely different thing is to
> refer to the USA as "America". That's just arrogance and ignorance.
"America" is *just a name* and a contry decides it's own name, if you think it's arrogant that we should choose our own name, I'd have to counter by saying I think it's arrogant that you think we *shouldn't* choose our own name, as I don't think it's any of *my* concern what "Italy" calls itself. Would you think I was arrogant if I "disagreed" with your nations choice of name?
> US citizens. In fact, if you pay attention to it, there's NO ONE SINGLE
> PLACE, in the official US governement publications, where US Citizens are
> referred to as "Americans". They are, infact, referred to as "US Citizens".
Again, I'll check facts. our national Anthem refers to us as "America", and now lets do a google search for official US documentation refering to Americans as Americans.
Google search with string "American Citizen"
Low and behold the first link... a "dot-gov" US official document.
http://travel.state.gov/marriage_visas.html
I won't go any further than the very first hit.
> Indeed, DUH!
> I'm still amazed of such arrogance some US people can show off.
Yes imagine that, us choosing to name our own country rather than putting up to vote from you Europeans. how arrogant of us. No we don't think that's arrogant of you at all!
Ironic considering it was Englands decision.
Man, people, it's a *name* for crying out loud, it's totally *arbitrary*! it's not right vs. wrong, if we "name" something, the "name" is right by definition, this isn't a technical discussion, it's a "chosen name."
Damnit Fabio! I hate argueing against one of the great AROS guys!
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 75 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (amorel):
> That`s criminal justice you stupid.
1) That's valid always and everywhere there's a democracy, not just in the USA and not just for penal crimes.
2) What Elbox did _does_ fall under criminal justice, and _does not_ just fall under Polish jurisdiction, as that crime has been committed in any country the driver has been sold.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 76 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (NihilVor):
> As far as the continents--there are SEVEN! Everybody knows that North America
> and South America are separate; just check any encyclopedia. Hell just do a
> google search.
That's what they teach you in the US, in Europe they teach us that there are _six_ continent, and there's no distinction, apart from a practical one, between North America and South America.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 77 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (anonymous because Fabio is the man and AROS rocks!):
> > Sorry dude, but "America" may be a nickname for "United States of America"
> > only for arrogant and/or ignorant people, for the rest of the world that's
> > just "USA". Get over it.
> It's England who called it's colonies in North America the "American colony"
> which *only* described it's *colonies* in North America, and not the
> uncharted/non-english territories.
Yes, so what? Please, pay attention: America*n* colony, which just means "a colony that is placed in America". Since that was the only one they had, there was no need to make distinctions like "the north american colony", or such.
But, obviously, that doesn't mean that they called their colony "America".
> > What utter bullshit is that... I knew that some People from USA could be so
> > arrogant, but I never got to entertain this kind of discussion before with
> > any of them... Dude, America is THE continent, USA is ONE _country_, and
> > America is NOT a nickname for it. Get over it.
> I'm not seeing arrogance on his part here, North America, and South America,
> are separate continents. there are seven total, the above make up two. this
> is staple Elementary School information, not arrogance.
Even conceding that North and South America can be two distinct continents - as they teach you in USA - doesn't make the USA be THE America. You see, North America is the North of something called "America", and South America is the South part of something called "America", therefore "America" refers to the sum of the twos, and NOT to the US. It's very simple.
> > I can concede you the distinction between North America and South America,
> > as that is what they teach you in USA,whilst in Europe they teach us that
> > America is only one continent, but that doesn't change that "America" is
> > not the USA, as "America" is both North and South America joint together.
The whole world considers them separate continents.
What?! See? That's pure arrogance! "The whole world" being the USA?!
> You brought up a point that that's because that's what *we* were taught, I
> thought that might be possible, but I could find no credible source of
> information anywhere on the web to back up your claim that N&S America are
> "one continent." All sources I checked, both foreign and domestic unaminously
> agree there are seven continents, and North and South America are *two*
> separate continents of the seven.
Then you didn't check well, perhaps you checked only on US sources, uh?
What about this: http://geography.about.com/library/faq/blqzcontinents.htm
> "America" was never the two continents, "America" was used (by England) as
> refering to it's colonies.
first, America _was_ one continent. Second, England used "Ameican colony" (by your same admission, before), and not "America", which is a completely different thing. I can imagine, though, that it was common to say "I'm going to America", when saying that you're goint to the American colony, but that doesn't change the fact that calling the USA "America" is just arrogance, it's thinking that the whole continent is made only of the USA.
> Never has "America" been used to mean "South America" or "The northwest
> territory", it only referred to it's "American Colony" as "America" which, by
> definition, stops at the colony's border.
How can be so sure about that? I mean, I just proved you wrong with the link above. You jump to conclusions too fast... If I'm telling you something it's because I know it, and any Eurpoean knows it. Now, it would be better if you doub le checked your sources instead of happily jumping to conclusions... I think I can be considered a "trusted source", at least at this point of my presence in the Amiga community, therefore what I say should, I think, be considered a bit more. I'm not saying I cannot be wrong, but please, just double check your sources, next time.
> > One thing is to refer to the US people as "Americans", because they _are_
> > American, just like I am European, another completely different thing is to
> > refer to the USA as "America". That's just arrogance and ignorance.
> "America" is *just a name* and a contry decides it's own name,
Sure, it's "just a name", but an arrogant one. It's arrogant, very arrogant, imho, to name one's country after the whole continent's name. And where are all the other countries? I know that the other American populations don't like this kind of behaviour... guess what, they find it arrogant. I know that for sure, 'cause I've had an Argentine firlfriend, who lives in the States, and I've lived in Argentina and the States for enough time to get a grasp of that situation.
> if you think it's arrogant that we should choose our own name, I'd have to
> counter by saying I think it's arrogant that you think we *shouldn't* choose
> our own name, as I don't think it's any of *my* concern what "Italy" calls
> itself.
Duh, if Italians said "we are THE Eurpoeans", do you think the other Europeans wouldn't have anything to say? Would you find it normal?
> Would you think I was arrogant if I "disagreed" with your nations
> choice of name?
No, if there's a good reason. I'm open to discussions, and I don't mind being asked intelligent, although provocatory, questions.
> > US citizens. In fact, if you pay attention to it, there's NO ONE SINGLE
> > PLACE, in the official US governement publications, where US Citizens are
> > referred to as "Americans". They are, infact, referred to as "US
> > Citizens".
> Again, I'll check facts. our national Anthem refers to us as "America", and
> now lets do a google search for official US documentation refering to
> Americans as Americans.
> Google search with string "American Citizen"
> Low and behold the first link... a "dot-gov" US official document.
> http://travel.state.gov/marriage_visas.html
> I won't go any further than the very first hit.
Too bad that the only place where the word "American" is used is in the title, in the rest of the document the term "US Cititizens" is used, which is more appropriate.
What can I say... "American" there just shows that even the government can be arrogant. Fortunately they used that word only once.
> > Indeed, DUH!
> > I'm still amazed of such arrogance some US people can show off.
> Yes imagine that, us choosing to name our own country rather than putting up
> to vote from you Europeans. how arrogant of us. No we don't think that's
> arrogant of you at all!
Again, you chosed to name (a _nickname_, though) your country after the Continent's name... if that's not arrogant, I guess nothing is arrogant, for you. Look, it's _very easy_ to understand that you are wrong: United States _of_ America. What does that mean? That those are States which are United and reside _in_ America, they are NOT _the_ America.
Got it now?
> Damnit Fabio! I hate argueing against one of the great AROS guys!
Well, you can still consider me a "great AROS guy", if you so wish, but I don't think it's derogatory to agree about everything.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 78 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by What's in a name? on 20-Nov-2002 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Fabio Alemagna):
> That's what they teach you in the US, in Europe they teach us that there are
> _six_ continent, and there's no distinction, apart from a practical one,
> between North America and South America.
You're forgetting the Tectonic plates. they are separate Continents because they are on top of different Tectonic plates.
You're half right about the "6 Continents according to some European scools" thing, Some European schools teach that ASIA and EUROPE are the same Continent since they sit on the same Tectonic plate, but, and I repeat, *nowhere* is it taught that North and South America are one Continent. Nowhere. period. not here, not in Europe, and not in Italy. The "6 Continent due to Tectonic plate" system is defunct since it was later discovered that the Middle East sits on it's own "Arabian Tectonic plate." Thus brining it back to seven Continents. Never were North and South America considered one continent.
If you wish to discredit this as "being taught in American Schools" then I challenge you to find a European school, Japanese, Austrailian, hell even Martian school that believes them to be one continent sprawled acrossed both Tectonic plates. Find just one school, I challenge you :)
You just might find that you are the one with the misconception.
India and Austrailia both exist on the same Tectonic plate, as does New Zealand. New Zealand is in the Continent of Austrailia. By your logic, Austrailian citizens may no longer call themselves "Austrailian Citizens" anymore, because they share the Continent of Austrailia with New Zealand.
Those "Arrogant and Ignorant" Austrailians!! :)
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 79 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (What's in a name?):
> > That's what they teach you in the US, in Europe they teach us that there
> > are _six_ continent, and there's no distinction, apart from a practical
> > one, between North America and South America.
> You're forgetting the Tectonic plates. they are separate Continents because
> they are on top of different Tectonic plates.
Aaaah! That's just nonsense! _Never_ continents have been decided to be chosen on the basis of the tectonic plates! By that logic India should be in the same continent as Austalia's and the Eastern asia should be in the same continent as the North America's! Not to mention that a big part of the pacific ocean would be a continent itself...
> You're half right about the "6 Continents according to some European scools"
> thing, Some European schools teach that ASIA and EUROPE are the same
> Continent since they sit on the same Tectonic plate, but, and I repeat,
> *nowhere* is it taught that North and South America are one Continent.
> Nowhere. period. not here, not in Europe, and not in Italy.
Hey, if that's not a proof of your arrogance I don't know what else it can be... Are you thus saying that I'm purposedly lying? You know I'm Italian, right? Therefore, in your opinion, they never taught me that America was one single continent, and I'm just spreading lies because...? Why would I lie, in your opinion? Let's see..
> The "6 Continent due to Tectonic plate" system is defunct since it was later
> discovered that the Middle East sits on it's own "Arabian Tectonic plate."
> Thus brining it back to seven Continents. Never were North and South America
> considered one continent.
I don't know who ever told you that, but he must have really had a great fun time.
> If you wish to discredit this as "being taught in American Schools" then I
> hallenge you to find a European school, Japanese, Austrailian, hell even
> Martian school that believes them to be one continent sprawled acrossed both
> Tectonic plates. Find just one school, I challenge you :)
First of all, I gave you a link in my previous post: read it carefully, to see how much you were wrong. Second, you _yourself_ said that Asia is constituted of many tectonic plates, and now you challenge me to find one continent that is sprawled across 2 tectonic plates?! Not only arrogant, even incoherent!
Anyway, you wanted an Italian link? Here it goes, I hope you can read Italian.
This is from the famous Treccani encyclopaedia: http://www.treccani.it/iteronline/interventi/lettori/lettere/Lavelli14-12-01.htm
In short, that's a letter from a Treccani user, who was uzzled by the fact that in USA they say that there are 7 continents and that N. America and S. America are two distinct continents. The Treccany guy answers with a definition taken from the Treccani encyclopaedia, which goes about this:
Continent derives from the Latin, and means "Continuos land, uninterrupted by the sea". Then, by that definition, it goes on defining _four_ continents, which are "Ancient Continent", constituted by Europe, Asia and Africa, the "New Continent", constituted by North and South America, the "Brand new continent" constituted by Australia [and New Zealand] and the Antarctica continent.
It also says that the term "continent" is often misused to indicate "a part of the world", and it also says that only _in geology_ the term "continent" indicates a tectonic plate, but then geology considers _all_ tectonic plates to be continent, not just the ones that are out of the water, also the ones _underneath_, which, obviously, conflicts with both yours and my conception of continent.
> You just might find that you are the one with the misconception.
I'm sorry, but no fast search on the net will save you from ignorance and arrogance. I'm talking about something I learned, not something I just read on the net.
> India and Austrailia both exist on the same Tectonic plate, as does New
> Zealand. New Zealand is in the Continent of Austrailia.
> By your logic, Austrailian citizens may no longer call themselves
> "Austrailian Citizens" anymore, because they share the Continent of
> Austrailia with New Zealand.
The continent is not "Australia", it's "Oceania". Australia is just a country in that continent, and New Zealand is part of that continent.
By _your_ logic, instead, India should be part of that continent... how come it's not, uh?
> Those "Arrogant and Ignorant" Austrailians!! :)
No, that's US citizens. Not all of them, fortunately.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 80 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 20-Nov-2002 13:19 GMT
Ok, enough with the geo here, ok?
Oh, and by the way:
I like the definition of tectonic plates used to determine continent. California is a continent, right?
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 81 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2002 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Ehm, do you know why the Olympic games have 5 rings for their sign?
Guess why. There are 5 continents. Australia is in Asia.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 82 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 20-Nov-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yes, and the moon is made of cheese, and the earth is flat. Come on. Definitions change over time.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 83 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (What's in a name?):
Ooops, where's my mind, the continents are SIX, not FIVE, they just don't count
antarctica most of the time.
BTW, in ALL encyclopedias I got, Greek and English, North and South America are
ONE: America. That's how it is taught around Europe.
And the BULLSHIT you said that Europe and Asia are considered one continent
in some schools is bullshit as well, they just use the term Eurasia to name
the whole landmass.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 84 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Ehm, do you know why the Olympic games have 5 rings for their sign?
> Guess why. There are 5 continents. Australia is in Asia.
Wrong. This is what the rings refer to:
Blue -> Europe
Black -> Africa
Yellow -> Asia
Green -> Oceania
Red -> America
And Australia is not in Asia, Australia in in Oceania, together with New Zealand.
At the time the rings were "designed", Antarctica was not broadly considered a continent yet.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 85 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (amorel):
Nice try, but wrong.
North America and south America are two distinct continents.
"Central" America is split between the two.
There are 7 continents as I listed.
And despite Fabio's typically arrogant claim (claiming to speak for the whole of Europe), that is certain what we were taught in the UK.
Of course, it's all just a temporary convention anyway. There was a time when there was just Pangea, and there'll no doubt be a time when there's only 1 continent again :)
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 86 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
> And despite Fabio's typically arrogant claim (claiming to speak for the whole of
> Europe), that is certain what we were taught in the UK.
Lokk, it's the other way around: it's England which never really entered the Europe, and you know it. The rest of Europe follows the rules I depicted above, as all the other Europeans can confirm here, together with that link I gave before.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 87 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Fabio Alemagna):
So Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have joined Europe then?
If you mean the UK then the UK is part of Europe ( despite the best attempts
of Mr De Gaul ) but has not adopted the single currency and has a veto over
charter sections that it does not like.
"Europe" the federal superstate does not exist yet in name.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 88 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (DaveW):
> So Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have joined Europe then?
Ehum? Of coruse they are in Europe! Just like England is...
> If you mean the UK then the UK is part of Europe ( despite the best attempts
> of Mr De Gaul ) but has not adopted the single currency and has a veto over
> charter sections that it does not like.
I'm not talking about currency or other political things, I'm talking about culture: the UK, and specifically England, always felt apart from the rest of the Europe, culture-wise.
> "Europe" the federal superstate does not exist yet in name.
And who claimed that? I would have said "USE", then, not "Europa". Surely the future USE citizens won't be so arrogant to claim that EuropeUSE.
And anyway, doesn't matter if you've been taught that there are 6 or 7 continents, what matters is that America is the sum of S. and N. America, as obvious, and therefore America != USA. That's all that I wanted to say, that's all that matters.
It's ok to refers to the US Citizens as "Americans", it's not ok to refer to the USA as "America". That's just arrogant.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 89 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Fabio Alemagna):
"UK, and specifically England, always felt apart from the rest of the Europe, culture-wise. "
Please explain.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 90 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 20-Nov-2002 15:18 GMT
Just one thing I was wondering about; If the Elbox-drivers were ran under AmigaOS4 JIT-emulation.. how would it react? I'm not 100% sure how that emulation works, but wouldn't the code be quite different in memory (then also the checksum?) ? ;)
Hypothetically..
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 91 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 20-Nov-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anders Kjeldsen):
No. Translated code "sees" the original 68k code, of course.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 92 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 20-Nov-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (DaveW):
I thought Italy was kinda akward, at least the toilets there are :)
I would love to see GB aka UK fall apart and see Scotland and Wales join the EU on equal terms as England. North Ireland is nothing but an old provocation against Ireland anyways.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 93 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
" Australia is in Asia."
ROTFL! Nice try.
Australia is in Australasia (or Oceana [sp?] as it is often called these days).
It is absolutely NOT in Asia.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 94 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anonymous):
Do I need to paste my second comment? Read it yourself...
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 95 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 20-Nov-2002 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, do some bloody research before making such ludicrous statements!
Hint - go to the IOC website and research their documents - you will find that thy say the 5 rings represent "THE 5 continents" but they do NOT state which those 5 are - they most certainly do NOT claim that Australia is in Asia, which it absolutely is not - ask any geography department at any school or college or university if you like, they will tell you that australia is absolutely NOT part of Asia - it is Oceania (formerly Australasia).
Not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand, mind you!
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 96 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 20-Nov-2002 21:13 GMT
Just to add my voice to this interesting "Amiga" debate, there ARE 7 continents despite what “mainland” Europe thinks (Thank god I was educated in Wales).
North and South America are separate continents.
America refers only to the USA and Americans are the native population of the USA. North America refers to the USA, Alaska and Canada. South America refers to all those commie, warring, narcotic producing countries and the awfully nice Falkland Islands. Central America is that little stringy bit that nobody wants except for Belize which is nice because they at least speak English and have the Queen on their dollar bills. The Americas refers to the whole damn lot. The Caribbean is that collection of small holiday resorts. Cuba is a pain and the USA is doing it’s best to remove it from the map completely.
And to the chap who thinks that the UK should break up into England, Scotland, Wales and NI and join the EU as equal and separate countries then think again. At the moment you only have the one voice of the UK telling you how much the EU sucks… if we divide then you’ll have FOUR voices telling you how much the EU sucks ;-)
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 97 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 21:18 GMT
So Australia is part of Asia, and Hawaii is part of....
Good grief, it's the tin foil beanie patrol!
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 98 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2002 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
I admited my mistake some comments afterwards, read before you post.
Australia is in Oceania, I was a bit out when I wrote that it was in Asia...
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 99 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (DaveW):
> > UK, and specifically England, always felt apart from the rest of the Europe,
> > culture-wise.
> Please explain.
Read Darrin's post, a few comments below yours and a few above mine, to have a sense of what I was talking about. I don't even feel like answering, to that nazi-like dude.
Of course he's just a representative of one extreme, unfortunately many others are of about the same like of thinking, although not as extremist.
The Inquirer covers Elbox's "open letter" : Comment 100 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Fabio alemagna):
> the same like
The same "line", of course.
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