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Posted on 20-Nov-2002 04:10 GMT by amigammc216 comments
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On the Amiga Website you'll find a joint communicate from Amiga, Hyperion and Eyetech. November 19, 2002 - With the AmigaOne now shipping and AmigaOS4.0 in its final stages of development and testing, the time has come to begin letting the rest of the world know the good news, that the Amiga is alive, well and ready to let the World have fun with computing again. Read more...
Letting the World Know : Comment 101 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Nov-2002 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (mahen):
Yep, both OS4 and MOS do have good ideas and interesting plans for the future, no matter what some fanatics say. I'm sure both will be good and both users wil be happy with their new os and hardware :) Ofcourse OS4 and MOS as a one combined OS would be even more great, sadly i don't see that possible :| but I'm sure I'll be hapy no matter which OS I finally start to use :)
Letting the World Know : Comment 102 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
> Originally Morphos was meant to replace AmigaOS 4, so this should read
> because there were disagreements between Amiga Inc and thendic AmigaOS 4 was
> started.
Sorry, WRONG :) MorphOS was started because they wanted to make a PowerPC OS compatible with AmigaOS apps instead simply waiting for years. At the time MorphOS was planned, Amiga Inc was still a Gateway company. And as they had something working very quickly (even before Amiga Inc changed their mind (mainly because they've seen MorphOS in fact :) ) to announce AmigaOS 4) why should they have stopped?
> Probably the "bug" only shows with shitty programming (eg morphos) :-P
An OS is indeed required to have something running on the machine to find bugs ;-) (I'm just kidding, as there is Linux on the AOne)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 103 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Trizt):
I fear you're right.......
But if everyone could realize that... And do the best for THE AMIGA,
not for their particular camp etc... Cooperate...
dunno what to say...
Letting the World Know : Comment 104 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 20-Nov-2002 13:49 GMT
YAWN... Ship an OS already. Put your money where your mouth is.
Letting the World Know : Comment 105 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Anonymous):
Hello,
This is not what I felt reading is post. For me it's purely his opinion, nothing more.
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 106 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Frodon):
Of course it's his opinion, but it's an agressive one.
He is so passionated, he fears that MOS is ruined by
AInc. We can understand that...
Letting the World Know : Comment 107 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by [ujb] on 20-Nov-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Frodon):
No, the Q-Box is the environment for Q-Box applications taking advanatge of the Q-Box api.
The A-Box is not poped inside this box but started directly by the kernel. It´s just a little difference but it is one.
This is just posted to emphasize the box-concept of MorphOS. This is really new, innovative and has a huge potential for the future.
/[ujb]
Letting the World Know : Comment 108 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (mahen):
Hello mahen :)
Yes indeed. But we can't blame him to be passionate :)
I think there are lot of passionate people here ;)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 109 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Frodon):
> Sorry, WRONG :) MorphOS was started because they wanted to make a PowerPC OS compatible with AmigaOS apps instead simply waiting for years. At the time MorphOS was planned, Amiga Inc was still a Gateway company. And as they had something working very quickly (even before Amiga Inc changed their mind (mainly because they've seen MorphOS in fact :) ) to announce AmigaOS 4)
Isnt that exactly what I wrote? That Amiga Inc was a gateway subsidiary is completely irrelavant as are the motives why morphos was started.
> why should they have stopped?
I dont know. Why?
Letting the World Know : Comment 110 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2002 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
Nice one... but bullshit.
This bug shows everytime you try to move too much data using DMA, whatever
you do in software.
Letting the World Know : Comment 111 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Anonymous):
hello Mr Anonymous,
>I dont know. Why?
Of course you don't know :) They was and is no reason to stop it. MorphOS is a really promising and so there is no reason to stop this great work :)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 112 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 ([ujb]):
> This is just posted to emphasize the box-concept of MorphOS. This is really new, innovative and has a huge potential for the future.
New? Yes.
Innovative? Partly. Running several virtual machines on a shared kernel isnt that innovative. "Partly" because those vms presumably get "enhanced" (whatever they mean with that).
Huge Potential? Rebuild every OS out there as a virtual machine is a definately a huge task. Sounds more like a huge potential to be sued though.
Letting the World Know : Comment 113 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> This bug shows everytime you try to move too much data using DMA, whatever
you do in software.
Just to be nitpicking. What about moving less than the critical amount of data at once.
Letting the World Know : Comment 114 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 14:03 GMT
Aimed at non/ex Amiga users??
There is not even a decent web browser on the amiga,
No one is going to go from a OS what has apps for everything they need, new games not old 90`s ports and can buy hardware cheap without being to forced to purchase hardware and support certain companies just to run a OS,
The amiga needs a BIG CHANGE before anyone can take it seriously and for me the amigaone is a quick cash making scheme, i will stick with Amithlon untill something respectable comes out.
Letting the World Know : Comment 115 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Anonymous):
Hello,
You know there is OS that are Open Source now :)
That's mean you don't need to rewrite them from scratch.
So it's possible to have a BeOS-Box (using OpenBeOS work) and a Linux-Box on MorphOS :) (Also a Darwin-Box, FreeBSD-Box, Atheos-Box...etc :) )
So yes indeed there is a huge potential :) Making Boxes for Open Sourced OSes :)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 116 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Frodon):
Frofro,
forgive me if I seem a bit stupid,
but what's the point in having morphOS to run
linux, beOS apps etc. ?
Letting the World Know : Comment 117 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Nov-2002 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (mahen):
It all might get much better when both MOS+pegasos and OS4+AmigaOne are ready and on sale. I think that somekind of survival battle has been going on. Both sides more or less fear that other side will kill the side you support. But when people actually can see, touch and buy a new hardware and OS, I think people will have too much fun to have time or reason for stupid war :) Maybe i'm just too optimistic, but I hope I'm right :)
Letting the World Know : Comment 118 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (mahen):
Hello mahen,
For you and me, not very interesting.
For a BeOS, Linux, MorphOS...etc developer, the ability to test his ports on each OS without having to reboot the computer and so at the same time :)
And of course this can also interest Linux and BeOS users that want a PPC platform :)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 119 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Frodon):
*shrug* Technically fun but i dont see the point that makes it useful. Indeed it sound like a very basic (and imo stupid) approach to achieve something like binary compatibility.
Letting the World Know : Comment 120 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (mahen):
No point, I think it was just an example. Mind you why write MorphOS when there
are so many "open source" operating systems out there and "emulation".
It pays not to question these things so much.
OTOH I disagree with Frodon, the guy was trolling and he shouldn't stick up
for him.
Letting the World Know : Comment 121 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (miksuh):
I hope you're right..
But what I don't understand...
WHY ARE THERE CAMPS ?????
There are no camps ! Please, it's just the amiga we are trying
to rebuild !!!!
Please don't let your ego destroy everything !
Letting the World Know : Comment 122 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Anonymous):
Hello,
Just read comment 118 :)
I can also add: running multiple OSes at full speed (without classic emualtion/VM software restrictions) and at the same time. When you work on multiple OSes it's useful :)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 123 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Steve):
>It's quite funny to see they have to precise that at the CeBit
>this will be the launch of OS 4.0
I think that's normal considering how some people would reply to that. I worked in many projects where the official opening date was weeks if not months after the actual launch
Letting the World Know : Comment 124 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (iSteve):
>Does anyone really, deep down, believe that developers will start
>writing software for OS 4.0?
Does anyone really know that Amiga hasn't been working toward this?
Letting the World Know : Comment 125 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Nov-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (mahen):
it can't be bad if you can run more apps on the same OS :) Not bad idea if you can combine software you like from AmigaOS/MorphOS and others.
Letting the World Know : Comment 126 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Nov-2002 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Frodon):
> So yes indeed there is a huge potential :) Making Boxes for Open Sourced OSes :)
is this planned ? if so, in how many years ?
Letting the World Know : Comment 127 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (DaveW):
Hello,
> No point, I think it was just an example. Mind you why write MorphOS when
> there are so many "open source" operating systems out there and "emulation".
This was just examples to show how boxes design is flexible.
> OTOH I disagree with Frodon, the guy was trolling and he shouldn't stick up
> for him.
Indeed he was trolling. Anyway...
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 128 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (priest):
>... and the date for pegasos availability: TODAY
And the availability of Windows 2000 was September 2000. So what? Do we really need to put the Pegasos in every thread? Stick to the topic, it's about presence in major computer shows worldwide.
Letting the World Know : Comment 129 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Nov-2002 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (miksuh):
Writing system like that wil take long time though :) huge task.
Letting the World Know : Comment 130 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (migga):
>You should also notice that UK doesn`t belong to europe anymore.
Did it ever? ;-)
Letting the World Know : Comment 131 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Frodon):
> For a BeOS, Linux, MorphOS...etc developer, the ability to test his ports on each OS without having to reboot the computer and so at the same time :)
This is of extremely limited use. Only if one would do ports to several different platforms at once. And its completely void when .net (or even AmigaDE) gets more popular.
> I can also add: running multiple OSes at full speed (without classic emualtion/VM software restrictions) and at the same time. When you work on multiple OSes it's useful :)
Why does one work on multiple OS's? Because all of them lack certain things. Now, instead of doing a good OS, one simply combines all that "trash" in a big box? Ummm ... I pass.
Sure, this is fun for a few hours but not of any practical relevance to gain any kind of market share.
Letting the World Know : Comment 132 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (catohagen):
Hello,
> is this planned ? if so, in how many years ?
Just quoting Nicholas document:
"It is also possible that in the future other boxes may be added allowing compatibility with applications from other operating systems. Possibilities here are to add Unix / Linux and BeOS application compatibility."
So don't know if it's planned, but it's definitly possible to do it :)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 133 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (amigammc):
Well, the release of the pegasos/MOS and AOne/AOS4 are the
MAJOR events for the amigans. So it's understandable people
can't help refering to that and arguing :)
It's not a bad thing provided it's done in a positive way.
Letting the World Know : Comment 134 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Bladerunner):
The point is that Amiga and associates have limited resources and want to use them on bigger shows. It's a decision that I applaude because when present in bigger shows the word gets to everyone, when present in small Amiga shows the word gets only to Amigans who would get the word in any case.
Letting the World Know : Comment 135 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 20-Nov-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Anonymous):
Hello,
Mayeb you don't work on many OS, but there are some people working on many OS for their work. Me for example I have to work on Windows (beurk), MacOS X and MorphOS for now. I also use BeOS on my PC because I think it's the best x86 PC OS for now and I don't want Windows or Linux on it ;)
Regards
Letting the World Know : Comment 136 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Frodon):
... it doesn't have to be done by the MorphOS team I guess ?
We should try to attract the Atarists, to make a mint-box or
a tos-box or... In order to have one common alternative platform
to make things easier...
They are kinda desesperate I think...
Letting the World Know : Comment 137 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (amigammc):
Yes, but when you see all the misunderstandings there can be
(for example, many people changed their mind about morphOS
when they saw it)...
Letting the World Know : Comment 138 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 20-Nov-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (mahen):
>WHY ARE THERE CAMPS ?????
because we are humans? ...why is there war ?
we even do news on the tv, about people suffering all over the world, its
disgusting i know.....but be honest, humans can never live in peace, its not in our
nature...so when different people have different views about stuff, they split and
become enemys....its everywhere...its human nature :)
Letting the World Know : Comment 139 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Frodon):
This means you need commercial OS for work (Win, Mac). Linux/Unix boxes wont help you much there.
Letting the World Know : Comment 140 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 20-Nov-2002 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Frodon):
Why would PPC be interesting to Linux or Be/OBOS folks? It's clearly a loosing CPU to the PPC vs X86 war. The real CPU war is now IA-64 vs X86-64. Now if MorphOS branches to x86, then there would be more interest to the alternative OS folks who use to use Amigas. It's either custom chip based platform that is cheaper/faster/better then x86 or a elegant OS running on cheap modern (and existing) hardware that will bring the old school Amiga folks back. This is the reason why I think AROS is the way to go...
Dammy
Letting the World Know : Comment 141 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben):
>Do the t-shirts count as products?
No, but they're coming, give'em a bit of time to sort out all the contracts they're dealing with
Letting the World Know : Comment 142 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (amorel):
Troll !!
next!
Letting the World Know : Comment 143 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Sjoerd):
>In my opinion AmigaInc/Eytech are very afraid for the peggy.
Oh yeah, definitely, they really have nothing else to worry about right now.
Letting the World Know : Comment 144 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Frodon):
>Availibility of MorphOS for the Pegasos: TODAY ;)
Can you please provide a link to a place where we can buy this final version of yours?
Letting the World Know : Comment 145 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (amigammc):
Of course, there is no FINAL version (this was
planned for december), but you can buy now
a pegasos with a morphos pre-version which
already works well. In my case I find it very
stable, but the final december version will include
more things bundled. Everyone will have it for free
anyway.
Letting the World Know : Comment 146 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 20-Nov-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (amorel):
Well atleast for me what really matters is the final product, not how many times development system was shown to public :) But sure those shows are important for both sides.
Letting the World Know : Comment 147 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 20-Nov-2002 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (redrumloa):
>> I still need to organise matters such as CD production, production of
>> packaging and cover-art.
> Cover art? Just put a pic of the Frieden bros coding away on A1s, half asleep > holding 5 gallon coffee cups;-)
Cups? I thought that was Coder's bucket! Anyway, serious OS coders cut the cr*p and have an intravenous drip fed directly off the percolator.
Letting the World Know : Comment 148 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Nov-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Bladerunner):
>Ask yourself where they get all the money to build up so many Pegasos
Bill Bucks is spoiled rich ;-)
Letting the World Know : Comment 149 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (catohagen):
*cough* VMWare *cough*
*cough* porting *cough*
*cough* it wont work anyway *cough*
Letting the World Know : Comment 150 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Gibbons on 20-Nov-2002 15:15 GMT
It is GREAT to see these 3 get together to offer a joint communication!
Very timely gentlemen! Thank you!
I'll be ordering my A1G4/256 RAM (or will I need 512 RAM?) system with a SCSI card very soon from my friends at Compuquick.
http://www.compuquick-amigadirect.com/cgi/shop/shop.cgi?keywords=_new_amigas&cart_id=
Just need to sort out the details a little more...
I MUST have a very quiet PS and lots pf ports on the front pannel. And will there be an AMIGA symbol on the cover of the tower?
However, I may tell them to hold on to it until OS4 is finished and installed before I take delivery. I want an AMIGA not a LynxBox!
AH I can hardly wait!
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