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On the Amiga Website you'll find a joint communicate from Amiga, Hyperion and Eyetech. November 19, 2002 - With the AmigaOne now shipping and AmigaOS4.0 in its final stages of development and testing, the time has come to begin letting the rest of the world know the good news, that the Amiga is alive, well and ready to let the World have fun with computing again. Read more...
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Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Frodon):
"It is also possible that in the future other boxes may be added allowing compatibility with applications from other operating systems. Possibilities here are to add Unix / Linux and BeOS application compatibility."
Compatibility. This does not mean to those who took it that way ( and yes I was
being sarcastic before ) that you would take your Mandrake 9.1 install CD and install it onto an M-Box but that there would be an address space and scheduler
space that would have a compatibility layer ( read API ) to allow applications written for other OS to be ported.
This is always fun because those building those layers forget half the job and it tends not to work ... out of the box. Oh year and the half they forget are semantics.
So more Cygwin and less VMWare.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 20-Nov-2002 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Steve):
>It seems that'll need to wait for some additional months again...
Good things come to those who wait. Patience is a virtue!
In the meantime we gotta get the developers busy working on OS4 apps.
- Mike
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 20-Nov-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (iSteve):
>Right now, there IS no market. 2,000 customers is not a market. And a customer
>hardware platform running an outdated operating system will NOT sell to the
>general public in meaningful numbers. Deep down, we all know that, too. We
>need to start facing reality. This is nothing more than a quick cash cow for
>Amiga Inc.
First off, you contradict yourself. "2000 customers" can not possibly make a "cash cow". Win95 was a cash cow. But that's besides the point. Bill's very own statement implied that 2000 customers isn't a market as he intends to grow the market. This is key to any successful market actually, it must ALWAYS keep growing and there are many ways to keep it doing so.
I'm not sure how "outdated" the OS is, but for what it is, a personal computer, it's not bad. All it really needs is a modern browser and Java and these are likely to be added in the near future. One needs to remember that OS4 is only the beginning, not the final goal. When one buys an AmigaOne/OS4 they are investing into a new future and that can still be very exciting and worth the money.
- Mike
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Posted by turtle on quaaludes on 20-Nov-2002 16:24 GMT
hahahahahaha my caps lock is fix now so no deleting me
you mos people are so funny with you jumping up and down hollering you so mad because you betting on the losing horse hahahahahaha
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Posted by Don Cox on 20-Nov-2002 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (JoannaK):
"I just hope they have time to greate somethign great to show on CeBit... QuakeII ain't going to be enoug.
Nor are old Os3.x era applications. "
No, but some of the current 68k programs are pretty good, and they
will appear to be plenty fast enough on OS 4.
Pagestream, SFX, Audio Evolution, etc are very usable programs, and
better than you can find on Linux. Hollywood will be good for
scripting a running presentation on a 24-bit display.
I think they can put on a good show for a new OS. Nobody will expect
as many programs as there are for the Mac at this stage.
Another trick is to set up TVPaint on a nice big screen, cut out a
large brush from an image and draw with it at full speed. You can't do
that on Photoshop and it impresses people.
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Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Nov-2002 16:31 GMT
EVERYONE wants the fastest CPU/GPU. EVERYONE wants the fastest OS (which needs the fastest CPU). BUT, there is alot to be said for a RELIABLE/STABLE OS. A machine that boots, almost instantly. Programs that can be installed with a minimum of fuss. Ones that you could put where YOU want them. Ones that can be erased easily, and you KNOW they're gone. Can you imagine, to this day, they sell unistall sw for windows? That registry thing is a psthetic joke. Swap files so suck. I did a clean win98se install, installed 7 pieces of sw and the drivers, and the swap file became 150 megs in size. Ludicrous! I'm sick of seeing 100's of DLL files all over the place. You can't seriously tell me that creating a RAM DISK: needs a 1.3 Meg DLL file!!!! Not to mention that the core program was 113K bytes!! There must be HUGE code overlaps in those DLL things. Ahh, the good old days when things were basic, but very sophistcated! You know what I mean.
Amiga! The dark horse.
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Posted by SlimJim on 20-Nov-2002 16:39 GMT
I find it rather curious that the name 'MOS' appears more often in this thread
than does 'AOS4'. Doesn't anyone respect the the little abbreviation 'OT' anymore?
This is a thread about an AmigaInc announcement, after all - an announcment only
interesting to those in the community planning to buy a solution from the
AInc/Hyperion/Eyetech cooperative.
Create a forum item named "MOS is SO much better than AOS4, and OUT NOW!!!!!" if
you want to go down that road so badly.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by turtle on quaaludes on 20-Nov-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (SlimJim):
-I find it rather curious that the name 'MOS' appears more often in this thread
than does 'AOS4'. Doesn't anyone respect the the little abbreviation 'OT' anymore? -
hahahaha that's cause they loser leeches that only suck off
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Posted by dammy on 20-Nov-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (amigammc):
"Two more weeks" <tm> huh? Will the SDK folks also see their T-Shirts? How about the coupons? Or is that another "Two more weeks."? <TM>
Dammy
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Posted by Don Cox on 20-Nov-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Jerry Gibbons):
"I'll be ordering my A1G4/256 RAM (or will I need 512 RAM?) system with a SCSI card very soon from my
friends at Compuquick. "
From experience with Amithlon, I would get 512 if you possibly can.
Remember that the JIT emulator will want a big block of RAM, and
because the machine is faster you handle larger amounts of data. For
example, you tend to scan at a higher resolution than before.
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Posted by Rumel on 20-Nov-2002 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Mike Veroukis):
"I'm not sure how "outdated" the OS is"
The Friedens are attempting to implement things they saw back in a university OS course. I'm sure it's a good match to the Cyberstorm PPC systems. However yes, it's outdated even more so than BeOS or Win9x.
In the core of the OS: Power management, Hotplug and Authentication among others appear to be missing altogether. Memory management, Filesystems and Networking are poor (better than your OS 3.9 to be sure, but inferior to any modern design).
More peripherally, poor audio support (AHI ain't bad but the world moved on) and poor media support altogether (talking infrastructure not codecs here), printer support to be looked into "later" (though to their credit they seem to be looking at the Unix solution there, like Mac OS X) and the same with multi-head scenarios.
Is OS 4.0 better than OS 3.9? Yes, it certainly is. Is it a worthy modern OS? No, it's much too outdated.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Troels Ersking):
>But I still think they will get most out of the Cebit show, think of all the 1000's
>of ex-Amiga owners who is going to be there a lot of them are eager to return...
They will get noticed when they exhibit at the Microsoft stand, but don't count
on some 1000s or 5 mio ex-Amiga owners since cebit really wants to present itself
as a business fair and therefore demand exorbitant high ticket prices (35 EUR).
From my own experience the best contact to the userbase is always with small fairs
where you can talk more directly and in detail about the products.
Nevertheless I'm already excited to see what bplan/Thendic are going to show during
cebit.
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Posted by NihiVor on 20-Nov-2002 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Mike Veroukis):
The fact that Amiga sites (and Amiga news) generates such interest signifies that there is much in Amiga that people wish to see in an OS; sure it needs a little tweaking; so what. If you don't believe this, then why hang around here.
Personally, I know a half dozen people or so who used to own Amigas and are now talking about buying an Amiga One. Some of these people saw the Screen Savers show. It is such interest that impels the press--like the Village Voice, which is read by as many people in NYC that read the NYTimes.
Sure they don't have the current recognition of Apple or Microsoft, but that is what going to CeBit is all about--have to start somewhere. This is not about keeping step with Microsoft, but building an atractive alternative one step at a time.
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Posted by Alex on 20-Nov-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Rumel):
@Rumel
While I think that you're correct in your observations about AmigaOS, I also think that your post misses the point somewhat.
Let's not fool ourselves: AmigaOS is a hobby OS. This may change later on (possibly) but right now I see it as an OS for recreational use.
AmigaOS is not designed (or intended I'd say) for use in a high availability data centre or for use in a corporate desktop. It's for having fun with.
...And I've got no problem with that.
AmigaOS feels like nothing else and frankly I couldn't give a rat's arse if it doesn't have "Power management, Hotplug and Authentication" etc.
AmigaOS does what it says on the tin, or as Amiga Inc say : "..the Amiga is alive, well and ready to let the World have fun with computing again."
And as far as I'm concerned it's all good :-)
Amiga, back for the future...
Cheers,
Alex.
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Posted by turtle on quaaludes on 20-Nov-2002 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Rumel):
-Is OS 4.0 better than OS 3.9? Yes, it certainly is. Is it a worthy modern OS? No, it's much too outdated.-
hahahaha people say i troll you mos loser troll bad
if you right then mos is even more far outdate because it a ripoff clone of os3.1 hahahaha
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Posted by eflect on 20-Nov-2002 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (turtle on quaaludes):
if you have nothing else to say, try using real arguments for once. perhaps people will start to actually read your posts.
you personal little war against mos doesn't amuse anyone, not even those who are in favor of os4. so drop it, k?
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Posted by mahen on 20-Nov-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (turtle on quaaludes):
This original comment was general - for any amiga-ish OS,
so not particularly against OS4 I guess.
As for the 3.1 ripoff, well, it just shows you don't really
know what you're talking about - which is not a criticism,
it's just a remark.
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Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (turtle on quaaludes):
> Is OS 4.0 better than OS 3.9? Yes, it certainly is. Is it a worthy modern OS? No, it's much too outdated.-
Please explain how you know this given I know for a fact you have never used
AOS4.
Then, when you are done please explain exactly which components are outdated
and why.
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Posted by KenH on 20-Nov-2002 19:04 GMT
Amiga *is* a hobby OS and will remain so while in version 4. I don't think anyone is under any illusions there. Same goes for MOS. However, one thing that will certainly get the mases interested is a PC emulation layer that will allow people to use their PC software on it. I don't know if it's possible to emulate PC archetecture on PPC, but if it's possible to emulate an Amiga chipset I'd say it is. The speed wouldn't need to be lightning for the office software for example. It's things like this(whether viable or not) that should now be occupying the time of Amigans and MOSians rather than a petty little name calling "war" that no one will remember/know about in the years to come.
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Posted by Alastair on 20-Nov-2002 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Sam Smith):
I with you bring back Amiga :)
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Posted by Rumel on 20-Nov-2002 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (DaveW):
The same way I know a Porsche 911 is faster than a 2CV even though I've never driven either of them. Learn to understand the field. Read the specifications. Ask pertinent questions of the designers. Laugh your head off.
To continue this metaphor, the Friedens have a manual on 1980s car design and they're trying to build a new family car for a 2003 launch. They plan for their car to even have electric windows, and a sunroof. Which is nice because the previous model didn't even have disc brakes. But, every competitor offers ABS and power steering, as well as much better ICE and all the creature comforts (heated mirror, proximity warning, fully adjustable seats).
I don't know /that/ much about cars. I wouldn't presume to guess which of next years burb boxes will be most economical or most safe. I know a lot more about OS design, and I know OS4 is truely "outdated" in the same sense as Mac OS 9.
The original poster asked if it was outdated. The answer is yes. If you have an objection to any of the specific points about missing or sub-standard features please mention those objections rather than continuing (as Ben Hermans has done) to assert that those who disagree with you are ignorant or stupid.
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Posted by redrumloa on 20-Nov-2002 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Rumel):
Yeah and your typical $50,000 SUV has a tendency to blow a tire and flip over. I'll stick with my VW.
Letting the World Know : Comment 173 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 20-Nov-2002 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Rumel):
"The same way I know a Porsche 911 is faster than a 2CV even though I've never driven either of them. Learn to understand the field. Read the specifications. Ask pertinent questions of the designers. Laugh your head off. "
Oh please. When you start talking like this I KNOW you are just bulling and
playing to the gallery. The rest is in a similar thing. Look if you want to get personal about the Friedens and tell them what their approach is to development of OS4 and ExecSG then please take it up with them directly.
I have a few specific technical items that I think need to be updated but unless you are willing to talk specifics instead of going way off left field to
find an analogy that means you don't have to explain anything then I suggest
this conversation is over.
I *thought* you might have something interesting or specific to say, seems you are just another troll.
If you think AmigaOS and MorphOS are so outdated before they are even released then why are you still here? Trolling???
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Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 20:36 GMT
After reading this press release there is only one thing to say...
I told you so
Letting the World Know : Comment 175 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 20:42 GMT
By the way,
Apple released Mac OS X as a Public Beta well before version "10.0" was released. Few people complained about that. Sure, people complained it was slow and sometimes buggy, but nobody complained that Apple made it available.
I wouldn't be surprised if Amiga et al did something similar (regardless if they call it a public beta or not).
I wonder if people using LinuxPPC on their AmigaOnes would like the option to use AOS4 beta. Of course they would risk being called a bunch of hypocrites...
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Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 20:44 GMT
Oh, and one more thing...
Anybody who believed Ben when he said they were "two to three days" from showing somethig more than ExecSG runing on the AmigaOne:
Ha ha!
I bet you believed Amiga Inc. shut down their phones due to war dialing.
Sad
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Posted by ElfKing on 20-Nov-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (redrumloa):
If you're taking a head count... I'm one., here, present.
Seriously, I read a lot and wait, don't bother to register, mainly because I don't like SPAM. Luv to see a new Amiaga though.
ElfKing
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Posted by KenH on 20-Nov-2002 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (strobe):
Please try to get your facts right....he said 2-3 weeks. So why did Amiga shut their phones down?
>Anybody who believed Ben when he said they were "two to three days"
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Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (mahen):
Pth, how myopic. If anything is going to kill Amiga Inc. it is Amiga Inc.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (KenH):
Well it wasn't war dialing... that was a silly rumor that I can't believe anybody bought (a good joke). As far as why? Because they closed the office.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Nov-2002 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Rumel):
Where have I ever stated that OS 4.0 was superior or on par with Windows or Mac OS?
It is deficient in quite a few areas: printer support, Java support etc.
I have NEVER made a secret about this.
OTOH, it preserves quite a few things we liked about AmigaOS:
near instant booting
very responsive (real-time OS if you disregard the ability to suspend multitasking)
turn off without formal shut-down procedure
low footprint
Plus we have the most versatile Dock and you can read and play the copy-protected audio CD's :)
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Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Jerry Gibbons):
Be prepared to wait a looong time |-\
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Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Mike Veroukis):
>Good things come to those who wait. Patience is a virtue!
Not in the conputer industry
>In the meantime we gotta get the developers busy working on OS4 apps.
What happened to patience?
Also I think people will find it difficult to port something to an OS which isn't available.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Nov-2002 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (strobe):
>Oh, and one more thing...
>Anybody who believed Ben when he said they were "two to three days" from showing
>somethig more than ExecSG runing on the AmigaOne:
Where and when did I say that?
I said: running on the Cyberstorm PPC.
I believe some courses of remedial reading are in order.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (strobe):
troll alert
Letting the World Know : Comment 186 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 20-Nov-2002 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, the quote I read didn't mention the Cyberstorm/PPC
Regardless, please accept my apologies.
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Posted by José on 20-Nov-2002 22:01 GMT
This is indeed the BEST news in years for me.
I see some x86 people here as allways. Question 4 them: How do you think people will look at the Amiga if it runs on x86? Righ, just another peeceee. You haven't seen the future PPC processors so shut up:)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Nov-2002 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (strobe):
I'm not fishing for apologies, I just want people to correctly interpret what we say.
We try to be upfront about the status of OS 4.0.
Having said that, with software development it's always very hard to estimate time-frames.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 20-Nov-2002 22:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Rumel):
I've never once felt a need to criticise the Amiga's filesystem support. Few OSes can contend with the plug'n'play (ooer!) filesystem concept of the Amiga, along with its separation of physical devices and volumes. And though I think it's not a very sound choice to further develop FFS, when there are two much better filesystems available, one even as open source (SFS), there's nothing to stop me from installing SFS on my drive. I do think that FFS could be a bit embarrasing, though, if they haven't done something about the filename length limitations, something I sincerely doubt since Hr. Barthel seems to be primarily concerned with compatibility.
As for networking, we could demand higher integration, but Roadshow, or OnRamp, or whatever it's called, doesn't look that bad, and certainly not technologically inferior to any other OS, considering it's based on rather recent BSD sources. It just needs a good interface to the environment and the user to look good enough.
I still don't consider networking or filesystems any problems, especially since both components have been exchangable for a long time, and probably will remain so, and considering what awful FSes and surrounding mechanisms 99% of the world's computer users seem to be happily troddling along with.
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Posted by Frans on 20-Nov-2002 22:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (dammy):
Funny... it's always the people that haven't placed orders for the t-shirts or vouchers that are shouting the loudest for other people to get them. thanks for your concern, though. I haven't heard anyone whose actually paid complain about having to wait... And why should we, as long as OS4 and the A1 aren't available yet we won't have to cash in the voucher so it'd just be lying around the house getting lost (I can think of some people who should do just that)...
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Posted by Frans on 20-Nov-2002 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (turtle on quaaludes):
Out of curiosity, what is your native language, Turtle -whatever-... ?
Letting the World Know : Comment 192 of 216ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 20-Nov-2002 22:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thank you Ben,
turnoff without shut-down procedure, thats one of the things I love most about my Amiga. I'm in command and the computer doesn't tell me what I can an cannot do...
If I want to shut it off I just do.
Near instant booting sounds great too. My Amiga still takes about 25 seconds to fully boot up...
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 20-Nov-2002 23:01 GMT
I thought that was an okay joint communication. It was very nice in tone and
so on. I do not think they will have OS 4 running anything on Amiga One in
March, except maybe for very remedial, carefully chosen programs, and probably
not even that. However I hope they live up to what they are saying, so that
"The Name" followers are not crushed again.
I guess they might release "OS 4 for Cyberstorm PPC" though. Sometimes it
seems as if Hyperion and co-conspirators ;) deliberately mix up what is
running on PPC-expanded Amigas versus what is running on Amiga One in an
effort to make progress look more advanced than it really is.
At one point I thought "OS 4" meant only on new PPC machines, but it looks
like the lines have been blurred enough that it also means something that
runs on old PPC-accelerated classic Amigas. And maybe when they talk about
release dates, they are talking about OS 4 for old PPC-accelerated machines.
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Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Frodon):
Yes my opinion, which I believe to be true or not far from the truth.
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Posted by amorel on 20-Nov-2002 23:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (mahen):
"He is so passionated, he fears that MOS is ruined by
AInc. We can understand that..."
No not at all, if I`d be passionate I`d add the fuck you asshole words every second
sentence haha. I`m actually phlegmatic(thanks you know who ;) hehe.
The only thing I`d find a pity is that the club succeeds in OS4, cause they
don`t deserve it at all. It`s a project without comon sense and based on egos
and ego boosting. But I wouldn`t fear that, cause it`s not a fearful thing to
think and also very unlikely to happen :-)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 23:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (DaveW):
> This is always fun because those building those layers forget half the job and
> it tends not to work ...
For unices it would be very simple: all you have to do is to provide the right system calls, which are not much, and then you can just install all the rest of the userland binaries.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Nov-2002 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Don Cox):
> Pagestream, SFX, Audio Evolution, etc are very usable programs, and
> better than you can find on Linux.
PAgestream is available also for linux, I hear, and soon also for AROS.
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Posted by AUIW on 21-Nov-2002 00:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (amigammc):
Don't discount the possibility...
cconwell
Be There or be Square...
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Nov-2002 02:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Don Cox):
"Pagestream, SFX, Audio Evolution, etc are very usable programs, and
better than you can find on Linux. Hollywood will be good for
scripting a running presentation on a 24-bit display."
How is Audio Evolution better than the hard disk recorders available for Linux? It's certainly more expensive and has lower audio fidelity.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Nov-2002 02:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Fabio Alemagna):
"For unices it would be very simple: all you have to do is to provide the right system calls, which are not much, and then you can just install all the rest of the userland binaries."
You must copy their semantics exactly or stuff will break. For example, in the 'L' box Linux apps expect that they can open, then dup, and then unlink without losing the file (only the name is expected to disappear). Then they expect that they can read and write with the two fds using this file as a temporary store. If the app crashes the unnamed file must be removed and its storage made available. The fd can even be sent to another process. Your 'L' box must track this and ensure that it works correctly.
OTOH Your 'W' box will require that open files are implicitly locked and cannot be deleted. Attempts to access these files must be prevented, with an appropriate error returned.
Meanwhile back in the 'L' box program text is treated separately. It can be deleted, but it can't be opened for write access when the program is running.
No, it's not impossible, but it is a dream and nothing more.
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