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Posted on 22-Nov-2002 05:37 GMT by ece346 comments
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Hyperion have released some new screenshots. Go on and have a look here...
New screenshots! : Comment 1 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 05:37 GMT
o More AmigaOS 3.9 + visualprefs shots on 68k system. Booring. :)
o Lacks skins, looks dull.
Luckily there are better solutions..
New screenshots! : Comment 2 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 05:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
You mean Pegasos 'crash every 5 minutes' MorphOS?
New screenshots! : Comment 3 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by ece on 22-Nov-2002 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
I´ll guess that the screenmode preferences window tells another story!
http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4GUIPre.php?d=Screen2_P3.png
Don´t you think ?
I really can´t see the reason why a coder or a gfx artist at Hyperion would fake that 32bit thing there.
It´s possible of course, BUT highly unlikely.
New screenshots! : Comment 4 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 05:54 GMT
Hmm, I kinda liked the first of them, with the brushed metal look. Neat.
Although I want to be able to resize windows by using any of the four corners of a window. Having to find the lower right corner every time and either first or last move the window to be able to resize it is really not my idea of a friendly gui.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 5 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 06:08 GMT
Nice ones. Or at least every new shot is better looking than my current OS3.9.
(I really need to find better patterns...)
New screenshots! : Comment 6 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Screenshots don't crash.
New screenshots! : Comment 7 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
If you don't show it on Pegasos.
New screenshots! : Comment 8 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 22-Nov-2002 06:20 GMT
Looks good! er well, no it doesn't, but it demonstrates the *ability* of looking good if someone other than Andy Warhol were taking the screenshots.
:)
Looking forward to seeing more
New screenshots! : Comment 9 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 22-Nov-2002 06:24 GMT
Looks good, but I get the feeling that who ever comes up with those "themes" must be colour blind! Thank god we can change it to whatever we want but I do hope they manage to come up with something tolerable for a default setting.
Speaking of GUI, I wonder if AmigaOS4 will have better support for the middle button and scroll wheel? It would be nice if you could assign the action or command for each button on the mouse.
- Mike
New screenshots! : Comment 10 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Mike Veroukis):
Could you show me your theme? What is the URL?
New screenshots! : Comment 11 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by cAHVA on 22-Nov-2002 06:48 GMT
The person who took those screenshots have propably eaten mushroom or two :)
But I can see that using different patterns could make it look like decent OS... Allthought I liked the first new screenshot. It was simple, close gadgets and other bits were good and the colour sceme was good too. Not so 70's colours like the others :)
New screenshots! : Comment 12 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 22-Nov-2002 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Please, as other Pegasos-Users said also already: these mentioned crashes aren't representative. I, too, use my Pegasos regularly (in fact I don't use my original Amigas anymore), and it doesn't crash during normal work. (I.e. only when betatesting stuff from time to time.)
New screenshots! : Comment 13 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 22-Nov-2002 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (ece):
*lol* you`re a funny one ;-) 32-bit screens are posible since the early CV64.
Or did i miss something?!?
Anyway, nothing new there.. I really thought there is something "earthshaking"
New screenshots! : Comment 14 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Nov-2002 07:32 GMT
It's beginning to look like something that could be made to look OK,
if there is a choice of images for the gadgets and sliders.
The choice of font will make a big difference.
IMO the most unpleasant feature is still the way the dividing lines
that mark off regions in windows are vaguely lined up half way up the
titles. The height should be either adjustable, or the line should
match the baseline of the text.
Another problem is that the active tab is being indicated by
algorithmic bolding of the title, but the kerning isn't increased, so
the word gets clogged up and hard to read. Eg "Geometry" in the top
image. IMO algorithmic bolding should _never_ be used - it always
looks messy. It is not needed here on the tabs, IMO.
One thing that is needed is an option to have different colour
settings for the Icon font inside a window versus on the WB
background, to allow for different coloured images/patterns. If you
have a dark WB "wallpaper" with a light pattern in the windows, icon
names will be unreadable in one or the other.
New screenshots! : Comment 15 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Nov-2002 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
"if there is a choice of images for the gadgets and sliders. "
I meant, if there is a _good_ choice ...
Several of those shown are well designed, IMO.
New screenshots! : Comment 16 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 22-Nov-2002 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Mike Veroukis):
Please remember that these shots are intentionally overloaded and extremely varied to show off the degree of configurability. They should demonstrate how many aspects of the new GUI you can actually modify.
New screenshots! : Comment 17 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by chris on 22-Nov-2002 08:17 GMT
Wasn`t APS4.0 scheduled for christmas ? We now have a little more than one month
before christmas, and they present us nothing more than new *SCREENSHOTS* !
No word on: we are preparing the booklets, we are in the final betatesting
stages, etc.
Hey, Ben Hermans: Will OS4.0 be ready in february/march 2003 like you said for
2002 ?!?!? Will you once more tell us some fairytales on the actual releasedate ?
Sorry, but publishing screenshots when the users what for something *REAL* is
*RIDICULOUS* !
New screenshots! : Comment 18 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 22-Nov-2002 08:18 GMT
And as you can see you can drag the windows off the screen...
New screenshots! : Comment 19 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (chris):
Take some valium will ya.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 20 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 22-Nov-2002 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (chris):
Operating systems don't appear out of thin air. Cut them some slack, they're "porting an OS" for crying out loud. Expecting it overnight is unrealistic.
I reserve the right to make fun of the psychedelic screenshots however :)
New screenshots! : Comment 21 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 22-Nov-2002 08:25 GMT
Hopefully we'll be able to share our prefs files or someone could knock up a theme program that'll just apply different Look & Feels.
New screenshots! : Comment 22 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 22-Nov-2002 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Rik Sweeney):
> And as you can see you can drag
> the windows off the screen...
On my Pegasos I've disabled this "feature" since it always bothered me with MS-Windows. I prefer the Amiga way.
New screenshots! : Comment 23 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 22-Nov-2002 08:25 GMT
One thing I'm hoping is the +/- gadgets are able to be changed. The vertical seperation doesn't look right or sit right in my book. I've always preferred the horizontal seperation that you find in 90% of the other operating systems out there. Personally I think the +/- gadget used is only to replace the diagonal gadget that everyone complained about, but to me, this change is worse. One good thing, the images for the cycle, bullet, checkmark and many others can be changed... that's a good start at least. I'm not fond of bolding on active methods, there should be active/inactive colors for the tabs just like most of the other elements of the GUI. One thing I'm wondering is if the OS will support locked images for backgrounds rather than tiling the whole image to a screen (a la MUI fills). Something else I would like to know, does the file requester support middle mouse button "Parent-Directory" yet (something I've asked for since before OS3.5). Something I haven't figured out is the font in preview 6, is that font part of Moss's private collection or one of the new fonts selected for OS4? Also, why on the same preview is the font different on the Palette Prefs and GUI Prefs? Another thing that's interesting, in some shots the titlebar is a different color/pattern from the other parts of the window. Oh well, I've said enough, asside from the above mentioned and the choice of colors... looks good.
New screenshots! : Comment 24 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 22-Nov-2002 08:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (chris):
All of this has already been announced: http://www.amiga.com/corporate/111902-exposure.shtml
Also Hyperion have stated that they are in final testing and still have production items to finalise.
You should always check the most obvious news sources before flaming anyone.
---
Sam
New screenshots! : Comment 25 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 22-Nov-2002 08:32 GMT
Well personally I like the way you can play with the knobs ;-)
- Sorry, a UK thing. :-)
New screenshots! : Comment 26 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Sam Smith):
CSPPC version should be almost ready.
(I think the integration of 68k integration is still ongoing ... it could be why there has not been any news about petunia for a while...)
For A1 they need to implement ~all drivers...
Once again ... the community would gain ALOT if MOS crew & AI would co-operate.
(and how about licencing Quark kernell for AOS5? I bet there is a amount of money that would let AI to see quark source code, not to modify it, though)
New screenshots! : Comment 27 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 22-Nov-2002 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
I don't think they want to leverage a micro kernel that isn't finalized yet, then again Hyperion built the ExecSG almost from scratch... so you never know.
New screenshots! : Comment 28 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
There is absolutely nothing special about the "Quark" kernel.
Please name one thing that the Quark kernel does that Exec SG doesn't do?
A far more sensible choice would be to use tried and tested technology or develop Exec SG further.
New screenshots! : Comment 29 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 22-Nov-2002 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
There are many items on MOS that might shorten OS4->4.X Development time a lot. Like new user interface system Ambient, OS4 still uses years old Workbench with some 'looks' added atop of it... But the truth is there are so many things (like old fights) involved we can't expect too much co-operation between groups.
Ah well. Luckily that does not stop users and 3rd party programmers to make SW/hw that works on both.
New screenshots! : Comment 30 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 22-Nov-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (JoannaK):
>Like new user interface system Ambient, OS4 still uses years old Workbench with >some 'looks' added atop of it
Isnt Ambient MUI, or MUI with some 'looks' added atop of it ?
New screenshots! : Comment 31 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Nov-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
> I bet there is a amount of money that would let AI to see quark
> source code, not to modify it, though)
Well... When MorphOS Team was talking with AInc about all that, our
proposal was to give full ABox sources to AInc. And they would have
got access to Quark too, for free.
Too bad, they already had no interest in it. :-/
New screenshots! : Comment 32 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Please name one thing that the Quark kernel does that Exec SG doesn't do? "
I'm not going to.
But for me it just seems that Quark is more tuned towards future, while ExecSG is only "pre-OS5" kernel... then there's some information from OS4 list vs the morphos.de, but I'm not going to bring that here.
And as I do not know the internals of ExecSG like I think you do not know the internals of Quark, it's better that we drop the discussion here. Right?
New screenshots! : Comment 33 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 22-Nov-2002 10:12 GMT
I was looking at these Screenshots for some time now and must say that i have mixed feelings about them. On the one hand you see some nice addons in OS 4.0 (judged from the pictures) and on the other hand you don't see anything impressive new. Transparent Menues has been done by Magic Menu already, changing of the Windowborder Decorations can be done by Visual Prefs and giving a pixmap background to the Windowborder itself can be done by Birdie. So from the visual point nothing new. I like the easy look&feel of the Workbench but I doubt that the 'brushed Metal' or 'Marmor' look is up to nowadays possibility. I have seen cooler Desktops on WindowsXP etc. speaking about Themes that is.
What I like on these screenshots is the GUI-Preferences application which reminds me of the 'Control Center' from KDE or GNOME. One core applications that controls all your Systems behaviour by selecting the aspect of the preferences you like to change from a list widget on the left. I would like to see AmigaOS adapt this idea for all the other preferences, so the amount of apps will get reduced in favour to one Core application. The preferences should be plugin based so other programs could easily add their own preferences thingy into this Core component.
New screenshots! : Comment 34 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (JoannaK):
>There are many items on MOS that might shorten OS4->4.X Development time a lot.
Yes, like some HW drivers.
>Like new user interface system Ambient,
Not sure about that as I think it could be aimed towards A-Box needs...
The next WB should perhaps have some elements tuned towards AmigaDE needs ...
>OS4 still uses years old Workbench with some 'looks' added atop of it...
IIRC, Hyperion has the possibility to replace the WB with DopusMagellan2...
...
>Ah well. Luckily that does not stop users and 3rd party programmers to make SW/hw that works on both.
Still, there's some limit of how many platforms one can support. ... untill AmigaDE rules the world... (laugh&cry)
But hey, look how intent is proceeding! Just a small step left for AmigaDE and it would be a huge leap for the mankind.... 8P
New screenshots! : Comment 35 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by pVC on 22-Nov-2002 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
I hope they're going to include outline/shadow fonts by default in OS. Like you can get with Magellan2 or some stand alone patches. Then you don't have to worry about backgrounds and icon text colors :) I just don't understand why no OS comes with outline fonts.... still those ugly "text on box" things (or just text) in all those operatin systems which are quite candy otherwise..
New screenshots! : Comment 36 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Nov-2002 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> There is absolutely nothing special about the "Quark" kernel.
There's absolutely nothing special about _any_ microkernel out there, by the sole fact of being a _microkernel_, which imposes some restrictions on how much stuff you can put in it.
What matters, in the end, is the use that you make of the many little components, how you integrate them together and what you want them to do. What matters is the design of the whole OS, not just of the kernel. A working barebone microkernel, written for a well known architecture, with all ideas well clear in mind, is a job that one man can accomplish in less than one week.
New screenshots! : Comment 37 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 22-Nov-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (JoannaK):
Yes, Ambient does look much more elegant than OS4 right now.
---
Sam
New screenshots! : Comment 38 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (JoannaK):
The mainpoint would be to FREE Hyperion's extremely talented developers to do/port games, 3D library and applications to the platform.
New screenshots! : Comment 39 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Sam Smith):
Is there decent MOS screenshots available somewhere.
(I have not seen any good looking so far...)
New screenshots! : Comment 40 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 22-Nov-2002 10:33 GMT
I don't get all the negativity. There's a couple of themes in that collection which are really good. Ok, if you like the XP default theme you might not like it, but I for one set XP to look like 2000 _really_ quickly. Reminds me, I haven't even used Windows since I played some games in the summer...
Anyway, there's a few themes there which reminded me of some really good Afterstep themes.
I think all we need is a centralized server for themes, where anyone can upload/download.
New screenshots! : Comment 41 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 42 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 43 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 44 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 45 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 46 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 47 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 48 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 49 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
I hope you are not basing this on the fluff piece by Nicolas Blachford found here:
http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
Any serious coder will tell you that this piece contains little technical information worth a damn.
I'm going by the official Quark kernel features which can be found on MorphOS.de.
http://www.morphos.net/kernelinfo.php3
Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there (the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for MorphOS.
So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 50 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I apologise for this "stutter".
I don't have a clue as to why this happened.
ANN has done this before.
Can any of the moderators remove the excess posts?
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