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Hyperion have released some new screenshots. Go on and have a look here...
New screenshots! : Comment 101 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Nov-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Oh yes, and one of them answers when somebody asks what to get, MorphOS and
Pegasos or OS4 and AmigaOne, the best way is to get a PC with Windows :)
New screenshots! : Comment 102 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Frodon):
@Frodon
>He directly attacked by saying stupid stuffs about Quark kernel (Which is the
>MorphOS kernel)
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1037943424&category=web&start=1#message28
Ben's first comment. No attacks, just a pretty generic sensible comment. No degrading remarks, no lies, nothing!
New screenshots! : Comment 103 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Offscreen window dragging can be turned off IIRC.
People have different needs, there's nothing wrong with that. I myself don't see any need to restrict windows to the screen area, but that doesn't mean that I can't understand that others may not feel the same way about it.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 104 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (SimoAmi):
Salut mon ami!
Yes, we do have a very good font-engine (FTManager) based on the open-source Freetype project (www.freetype.org)
It does all of the stuff you are talking about and more.
Detlef Würkner did an outstanding job on the font-support working it all in diskfont.library, asl.library, graphics.library etc.
Several notes however:
There are some patent issues involved (Apple patents).
http://www.freetype.org/patents.html
I'm pretty confident the implementation you are talking about (TTEngine) infringes upon those patents so we could not use it.
The Polish guy who developed it is a beta-tester of OS 4 BTW.
New screenshots! : Comment 105 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 22-Nov-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>You do know this was irony right?
Yea, but I thought it's a nice moment to ask this question ;)
>If you really want the answer to that, I would suggest e-mailing one of the following OS 4 developers: Olaf Barthel, Thomas Richter or Stephan Rupprecht.
I know the answer, I just wanted you to ask your coders for their solution (if there is one;)
New screenshots! : Comment 106 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 22-Nov-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Anonymous):
Hello,
Yes, and on this comment (the 28# comment) by Ben, I can see easily lies and degrading attempt about the Quark kernel
Regards
New screenshots! : Comment 107 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 22-Nov-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (priest):
>Ok. But as long as there is no detailed information one can not be sure. And it was just my feeling that there might be some things that
>might be missing in ExecSG design, if there's not, then great.
Or maybe something in the Quark Kernel is missing and it is existing in the ExecSG
Kernel ? This argumentation works in both ways, you know !!! Why should there
anything be MISSING ?
Steffen Haeuser
New screenshots! : Comment 108 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd on 22-Nov-2002 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ahem, what is your point?
New screenshots! : Comment 109 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 22-Nov-2002 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Frodon):
@Mark Olsen
Trolling ... and OOC
@Frodon
Doesn't understand your "earning" to do like this? Ben just write "His" point of view like mister Sallin. So what's the point? Infact that's pretty uninterresting for common amiga users.
@Frodon AND Ben
Would you exange your personal opinion privetaly, that's become boring in forum. Just deliver your product.
ikez
nb: have bough a Aone.
New screenshots! : Comment 110 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Björn Hagström):
I think that no matter how big resolution you use, sooner or later you screen is so full of windows that you want to move windows out of the screen if you can :) So it'äs good feature :)
New screenshots! : Comment 111 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Frodon):
This was the comment I was pointing to! Let's disect.
Ben said in #28
>There is absolutely nothing special about the "Quark" kernel.
>Please name one thing that the Quark kernel does that Exec SG doesn't do?
>A far more sensible choice would be to use tried and tested technology or
>develop Exec SG further.
He made an opinion and said no lies. You are free to disagree with him all you want, but don't imply he's spreading fud.
New screenshots! : Comment 112 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Frodon):
What you see is not necessairly what is really there. When in doubt, ask. Flaming/Raving based on what you see and not what is actually there just gives people a bad image of how you are as a person.
But perhaps that is the way you like to present yourself in public.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 113 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Anonymous):
yepp, that's one of the reasons why I like to be able to move windows outside the screen.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 114 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 22-Nov-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Er forgot these one,
Bonne appétit!
ikez :)
New screenshots! : Comment 115 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 22-Nov-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben Hermans writes:
> Some features are not even implemented yet like SMP for instance.
You should stop talking about things you have no clue about. SMP
has been implemented in Quark from the start.
> Plus quite a few people working on OS 4 are also actively coding for
> MorphOS.
But... they know almost no more about Quark than the information
that is public.
> So yes, we have a pretty good idea about the Quark kernel.
As shown by your claim above.
New screenshots! : Comment 116 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 22-Nov-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Björn Hagström):
Hello,
I don't have any problem with my image. Thanks anyway to have taken care of it ;)
Regards
New screenshots! : Comment 117 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Frodon):
No I guess you don't, if that is the image you want to have.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 118 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 22-Nov-2002 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Björn Hagström):
Hello,
BTW lot of people judge others too quickly, and I think only this kind of people will have a bad image of me. And this is not my problem :)
And don't worry I got a very good image with people I know in real life and also with lot of people online :)
Regards
New screenshots! : Comment 119 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
>You should stop talking about things you have no clue about. SMP
>has been implemented in Quark from the start.
Yes, just like virtual memory was implemented already when it was mentioned publically. Come on now Emmanuel.
I don't consider SMP vital at all but some honesty would not hurt.
How was this tested BTW?
On a single CPU set-up?
In all these past demonstrations of the Pegasos, can you point me to one single instance where a Pegasos with a dual CPU set-up was seen running MorphOS using SMP?
I'll end the "discussion" here because Nicolai already tried to convince me that somebody who develops for MorphOS would be completely oblivious to the Quark kernel's capabilities and functionality.
I realise you guys think that I'm just a clueless lawyer but that one doesn't get past even me.
New screenshots! : Comment 120 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Frodon):
So why do you feel the need to act like this online? Most of us here are adults, right?
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 121 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by SimoAmi on 22-Nov-2002 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Salut Ben :)
I almost forgot you speak french !
so font Aliasing is supported! That's great news!
It would be nice adding one or 2 screenshots with some of the beautiful backgrounds you have ;)
I just read that FreeType 2 is free of patent!
Also, I wonder if we can have aliased fonts with soft shadows (good for desktop icons)
SimoAmi
New screenshots! : Comment 122 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 22-Nov-2002 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Björn Hagström):
Hello,
I just act normally. I just said to Ben that I didn't understand why he keep posting attacks here (You may disagree that it's attacks, but it's my opinion).
You said that i'm not acting like an adult, but then explain me why, I don't see why. IMHO Ben is far more not acting like an adult than me.
Regards
New screenshots! : Comment 123 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Whoohaa! Antialiased fonts was at the top of my most wanted features list :) Cool :)
Btw, are any of the fonts on the screenshots using antialiasing? Bit hard to see.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 124 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Nov-2002 12:33 GMT
Oh sh*t...
You're all extremely tiring guys,
I can't stand seing the Amiga Community being torn apart...
I can't stand seing people developing more or less the same thing
instead of cooperating.
It's really nonsense to have decided to code a new amigaOS and
duplicate efforts...
:( :( :(
Ben & the others : it really seems it's a matter of pride. It's
ri-di-cu-lous as it'll have serious consequences on the community.
New screenshots! : Comment 125 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Linus G on 22-Nov-2002 12:35 GMT
Am I the only one who noticed that buttons can be transparent ? :-)
New screenshots! : Comment 126 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 22-Nov-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
:)
Too cool.
Nice one Ben.
---
Sam
New screenshots! : Comment 127 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Frodon):
I'm not saying that you are not acting like an adult. I'm saying that you are acting in a way that can make people percieve you as being a not so friendly chap.
I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of the people writing here, even those doing massive trolling are generally nice people once off the net, including you. But some doesn't seems to care much about how they are percieved once they get online.
Now, I know you're not going to admit that you overreacted on Ben's comment so what I wrote above is probably futile attempt to make you altleast think about how you and others act. And people are most likey bored of reading about this so I'll just drop it.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 128 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Steffen Haeuser):
aaAAArggghh! ;-)
Ok. Both kernels have everything one could ever desire and more. Peace!
(I'm very much interested in developing for OS4, amongs some other platforms. Is there already some kind of application developer material available for it? Who is the person to contact directly in OS4 application development issues?)
New screenshots! : Comment 129 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Nov-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (mahen):
Its also a bit too late to worry about that now... there are essentially 4 "camps"... users OS4, MorphOS, AROS, and Emulation.
68k is the only common ground, as to who will last the longest, time will tell.
New screenshots! : Comment 130 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Nov-2002 12:41 GMT
Its getting there :)
I like the first new screenshot :)
New screenshots! : Comment 131 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 22-Nov-2002 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"I'll end the "discussion" here because Nicolai already tried to
convince me that somebody who develops for MorphOS would be completely
oblivious to the Quark kernel's capabilities and functionality."
.
The point is just that you don't need to use the Quark kernal to code within the
ABox. The only kernel you need to know something about is exec. Userland code
has no contact with the Quark kernel.
New screenshots! : Comment 132 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
It would be fair to let people know when SMP capability is going to appear in MOS. (as it seems to be one pegasos system selling point)
New screenshots! : Comment 133 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by dirigent on 22-Nov-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>There is absolutely nothing earth-shattering there
>(the same can be said about Exec SG by the way).
I hope this doesn't mean that there may be no earth-shattering features
in the future.. :-)
New screenshots! : Comment 134 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Nov-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Peter Gordon):
No, there is no camp, it's an artificial war.
At least the OS4 vs MOS.
Emulation can't be one camp; and AROS is not enough
to make one either.
The only problem is the egoistic persons which created the
OS4 vs MOS war, splitting artificially the community.
Never say it's too late, it's never too late. Who could
even imagine we would be there in 2002/2003 still waiting
for a PPC amigaOS ?!
New screenshots! : Comment 135 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"64 bit OS 5: AFAIK OS 5 is only in the planning stages at this point. "
You'd better hurry up.
After all, McEwen has stated that OS5 WILL be released 12 months after OS4.0 is released, so you don't have very long...
"There is at this point no general availability of 64 bit CPU's. "
ROTFL!
Oh really?
So the UltraSPARC series which has been around for 8 years and is fully 64-bit isn't, according to yuo, a 64 bit CPU? Ho hum.
New screenshots! : Comment 136 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by dirigent on 22-Nov-2002 12:57 GMT
It is great to see how things are progressing with OS4! :-) I would have two
comments on the pictures:
1) (some) anti-aliased texts would make it look much more professional I think.
2) is it just me or do the title and bottom bars of the windows look a bit
"bulky"? I mean if you took a pixel off from the top and bottom of the bars,
it might also look more "professional".. (with the same font size)
I appreciate Mr Hermans' "wasting his time" communicating with those interested
in the OS4 product... :-)
Greetings,
dirigent
New screenshots! : Comment 137 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Anonymous):
Just of general interrest. Is the UltraSPARC generally available for anyone to build their own platform on?
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 138 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 22-Nov-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Frodon):
@frodon
"Yes, and on this comment (the 28# comment) by Ben, I can see easily lies and degrading attempt about the Quark kernel"
The shock the horror, as Ben said in #28
>There is absolutely nothing special about the "Quark" kernel.
>Please name one thing that the Quark kernel does that Exec SG doesn't do?
>A far more sensible choice would be to use tried and tested technology or
>develop Exec SG further.
I don't know what you're talking about but or you know how both Exec SG works MorphOS or you can't say he's spreading Doom at MorphOS, he's just saying that Quark Kernel doesn't do more then Exec SG...
New screenshots! : Comment 139 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Björn Hagström):
In all seriousness? Yes, absolutely. There are many companies out there who make systems based around the various UsltraSPARC CPUs - some are Sun clones, others are different.
But yes, absolutely the UltraSPARC series are available to any company who wants to design them in to their own systems.
New screenshots! : Comment 140 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
Yes seriously :) Thanks for the answer.
/Björn
New screenshots! : Comment 141 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 22-Nov-2002 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (pixie):
Hello,
No he said: "There is nothing special about the Quark kernel".
But there is some things special ;) So it's lies ;)
Regards
New screenshots! : Comment 142 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Nov-2002 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Frodon):
"Special" is subjective, therefore Ben can say there is nothing special without lying.
New screenshots! : Comment 143 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 22-Nov-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (dirigent):
I'm sure you can define it how thin or thick those bars will be. It's possible to do that in VisualPrefs and I'm quite sure it's possible in OS4 too. That's just yet another user configurable thing.
New screenshots! : Comment 144 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (priest):
>The mainpoint would be to FREE Hyperion's extremely talented developers
>to do/port games, 3D library and applications to the platform.
Right, but on the one hand Ben disrespects Rave3D lowlevel API and on the
other hand hyperion didn't want to make W3D for MOS as new OS4, so...
New screenshots! : Comment 145 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Anonymous):
>You'd better hurry up.
>After all, McEwen has stated that OS5 WILL be released 12 months after OS4.0 is released, so you don't have very long...
Bah! We laughed at that already. BORING!
>>"There is at this point no general availability of 64 bit CPU's. "
>ROTFL!
>Oh really?
>So the UltraSPARC series which has been around for 8 years and is fully 64-bit isn't, according to yuo, a 64 bit CPU? Ho hum.
He surely meant desktop CPUs. And even PPC one. And you surely knew that.
(there was a small flame bite and you were caught by it)
New screenshots! : Comment 146 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 22-Nov-2002 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Peter Gordon):
Hello,
Yes but by "Special" I personnaly mean something quite different compared to what you can find on most of the OS kernel out there. :)
Regards
New screenshots! : Comment 147 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>So I am indeed wasting my time here answering legitimate questions by
>prospective customers because I should be coding on OS 4 instead.
Don't you have any lawsuit to prepare...?
New screenshots! : Comment 148 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Nov-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Frodon):
Well, exactly. So he's not lying. (duh)
New screenshots! : Comment 149 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 22-Nov-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben Hermans writes:
> Yes, just like virtual memory was implemented already when it was
> mentioned publically. Come on now Emmanuel.
Sigh. Stop twisting what people say. Noone has claimed that Quark
already has virtual memory. There is a VM implementation in the ABox,
which was written in June 2001 (iirc), after AI asked for it for
Hyperion. Noone ever told otherwise.
However, as I stated before, SMP has been in Quark from the start.
> some honesty would not hurt.
Indeed.
> How was this tested BTW?
>
> On a single CPU set-up?
I never told this has been tested. Just that the code to handle it
is already there, and has been for years.
> In all these past demonstrations of the Pegasos, can you point me to
> one single instance where a Pegasos with a dual CPU set-up was seen
> running MorphOS using SMP?
Of course not. There is no SMP support in the ABox, and this probably
won't change, as the AmigaOS API has never been intended for SMP.
> I'll end the "discussion" here because Nicolai already tried to
> convince me that somebody who develops for MorphOS would be
> completely oblivious to the Quark kernel's capabilities and
> functionality.
Which is completely right, except for very low-level drivers, but very
few people have access to those. You should ask the programmers working
for both OS4 and MorphOS, they'll confirm this.
New screenshots! : Comment 150 of 346ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 22-Nov-2002 13:29 GMT
stop everyone, all this is offtopic, this thread is about new screenshots of OS4
cant we wait with basing mos until theres a new mos thread instead ?
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