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Hyperion have released some new screenshots. Go on and have a look here...
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Posted by turtle on quaaludes on 22-Nov-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Björn Hagström):
>Ohh, dammys long lost brother enters the thread.
hahahahaha turtle come from better gene pool hahahahaha
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-Nov-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (MonkeyOS):
>>Dammy, why is it so important to you to put down AmigaOS, and the AmigaONE at
>>every available opportunity?
>Because he is a c### sucking complete lowlife loser.
*sigh* you really are a pathetic child.
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Posted by dammy on 22-Nov-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (Don Cox):
I certainly wouldn't buy a system (or atleast an OS) that didn't have killer eye candy. What was the one thing that drew me away from Apple to the Amiga? Eye candy. What will it take for the old Amiga folks to come back to HYPEOS4 or MOS? Eye candy. What will it take for me to go to MOS or HYPEOS4? X86 port. ;)
Dammy
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Posted by redfox on 22-Nov-2002 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
Amiga OS4/OS5 running on an UltraSPARC ...
That would be awesome.
I really mean it. (I have used Sun SPARCstations and UltraSPARC workstations for several applications at work.)
--------
redfox
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Nov-2002 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> No idea you came down to the gutter as well.
Hum... Just out of curosity, are you always so polite and diplomatic towards your potential customers?
Damn, all this has become so pathetic. Truly.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Fabio Alemagna):
I hope you are not insinuating I'm insulting Rudi because he is in fact somebody that does work for Amiga.
And I certainly hope you have not closed your eyes to the incessant mudslinging that goes on in this place.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Nov-2002 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (dammy):
So Dammy there is nothing for you here, so why dont you move on to something you do like.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Nov-2002 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I hope you are not insinuating I'm insulting Rudi because he is in fact somebody
> that does work for Amiga.
I know it works for Amiga, and I know you were insulting him. I was rather referring to the word "gutter" you used. Pretty insulting word, which was referred to the people who come to ANN, unless I'm mistaken on that one.
> And I certainly hope you have not closed your eyes to the incessant
> mudslinging that goes on in this place.
It comes from all parties, and you, with those kind of statements, just help sustain it.
I mean, calling like that your customers... geez...
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Nov-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Fabio Alemagna):
> and I know you were insulting him.
Oops, I meant "I know you were NOT insulting him"... Hope I'm in time for you to catch this my errata-corrige :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Fabio Alemagna):
>I know it works for Amiga, and I know you were insulting him.
Nothing new from him, just see the comment where he insults the
americans as illiterates...
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Posted by Martin Blom on 22-Nov-2002 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (redfox):
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~grubba/
At least it's AmigaOS :-)
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Posted by redfox on 22-Nov-2002 16:20 GMT
New screenshots!
Thanks guys ... very interesting screenshots.
I especially like the GUI preferences.
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redfox
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Posted by ehaines on 22-Nov-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (MonkeyOS):
Well, no, that's just crude. It's because he's a spiteful, reactionary
person who has a personal agenda against those involved, so it's
impossible for him to have any sort of intelligent, retional response
on the subject.
There's something twisted that keeps him poking around in something he
hates, when any reasonable person would simply leave. His attempts at
degrading Hyperion have only succeeded in degrading him. He's also
succeeded in apparently becoming the universally-reviled replacement
for SG, not that we needed one. But he lacks the manhood to apologize
and behave decently, and the sense to leave something alone that he's
not interested in, so all you have to look forward to is more of the
same old same old. He will never write anything of value, and has never
achieved anything of value, so he has to try to tear down those who have.
Best just to skip his posts.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Nice try, Ben, but if you had bothered to do ANY research at all, you would know that several of the existing 64-bit CPUs (glad you have finally admitted to lying when you stated there were none) meet all of your list of requirements admirably.
But then again, given your past bullshit, I'm not surprised at anything you come out with these days :-(
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (redfox):
Damned straight!
Plus, because of the full compatability across all members of the UltraSPARC-II and -III families, any code written for one will just plain work on all. I.e. the same software works on an UltraSPARC-IIe-based uniprocessor system AND a 106 CPU UltraSPARC-III system, and everything in between.
Mind you, given the amount of experience they have with the architecture, I can't see Solaris having anything to fear in terms of performance if AmigaOS were to be ported to such a system!
But shhh, don't tell Ben about your desktop Suns, he doesn't believe they exist...
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (priest):
"The roadmap/plan to OS5 is a line in the water.
I bet ONLY Fleecy knows the current plan"
Interesting theory, marred only by the FACT that McEwen has stated on the record that OS5 *WILL* be launched 12 months after OS4.
So, does this mean that you are wrong about only Fleecy knowing the plan, or are you calling McEwen a liar?
(The obvious answer is that McEwen is, once again, telling lies, but it'll just be amusing to see if you can bring yourself to admit that).
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Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Nov-2002 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Fabio Alemagna):
Wrong
The person is never the gutter. The place is the gutter.
And to me he is saying that its a shame that he had to come to the gutter.
wich is not an insult to him, but this thread wich it quite rightly is.
the gutter term is & English saying, so thats maybe why you dont see it as i do.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Nov-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (Anonymous):
Name one that meets all the requirements I put forward.
I'm prepared to be enlightened...
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (ne_one):
Hmm, can't get any links to works there.
Using Mozilla, same result when trying explorer 6.
/Björn
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Posted by spot on 22-Nov-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (z5):
They REALLY do need an Art Director. And a GOOD one.
The first ipression is REALLY REALLY REALLY important!
We gotta let them know that. And this AD should NOT be
an average amiga scene graphician working for free.
This matter needs a guy with great skills and knowledge. A Pro.
There is no reason AmigaOS should look
cheaper than any other modern OSes. They said something like
"now you have the enginge, make it look good" That is not the
way to go. It has to look SWEET from the beginning, and when
we are tired of that, then, we customise our WB's.
DO NOT HIRE A HOBBYIST AD - HIRE A PRO! IT WILL BE WORTH IT!
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Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 16:41 GMT
// popping in the kindergarten
Hey all childern mouthing about all great 64bit CPUs that are in the shops today.
What is in your opinnion the most suitable EXISTING 64bit CPU for desktops AOS5 users and for the AmigaDE server and why so?
// popping off
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Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2002 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 216 (Anonymous):
Of course Bill's words have been "taken out of the context" and interpreted incorrectly, deliberately. ;)
I do not know what Bill was thinking when he said those things ... most likely he was not thinking at all, perhaps it's something he had eaten ... he was insane ... is it ok to call insane people liars ... ;)
Hmmm.... Bill McEven was not fully sincere in that interview.... :)
Oh, kids...
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Posted by nihilvor on 22-Nov-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 216 (Anonymous):
I believe you mean 4.5 or whatever they end up calling it.
A timeline is just that—not a pact with the community. There are too many variable involved in programming, and everybody knows that. So I’m not sure what you are getting at with this "lying" thing. Surely, it is just a CEO sharing what the plan is and has nothing to do with an epistemic evaluation of some sort of essential or character based claim regarding Bill (as if he is laughing behind the scenes thinking that he has gotten away with something in announcing a product timeline.).
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Posted by Niicolas Mendoza on 22-Nov-2002 16:55 GMT
For the ones not able to fetch the link try using:
http://polarboing.com/bilder/os40/
or
http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4GUIPre.php
(without the stupid PHPSESSID-argument)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Nov-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 217 (Alkemyst):
> The person is never the gutter. The place is the gutter.
I know that, but as an extension it also refers to the people who come to the gutter. I mean, unless they are forced to come, they are part of it, and sinc eno one forces anyone to come here to ANN, I let you draw your conclusions...
Anyway, people or place doesn't matter... would you be happy if I called your house a "gutter"? I guess not. Would you be happy if I said that the place where you usually hang on is a gutter? I guess not.
I mean, hey, if you wanted to sell something to someone, would you ever think of telling that person that the place where he uses to go is a gutter?
However... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gutter
"6. A degraded and squalid class or state of human existence."
So I guess it can mean a lot of things... all negative, though.
> And to me he is saying that its a shame that he had to come to the gutter.
Yes, and calling ANN a gutter is an insult to whoever comes here. Unless you are fine with that and you usually like going to gutters, that is.
> wich is not an insult to him, but this thread wich it quite rightly is.
I know it's not an insult to him, and if you bothered reading the message right below the one you replied to, you would know that...
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Posted by AlBolone on 22-Nov-2002 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (spot):
I couldn't agree more!!! That's what I've been demanding from Amiga, Inc. since they took over ... and what they visually released so far totally proved my point. In a highly advanced visual (product-)world everything's a matter of *first* impression ... and usually you won't get a second chance for that! People at Apple are totally aware of that ... and act smart upon that, while silly Bill and Fleecy still think anyone familiar with a some Photoshop will do the job ... It' really time that they stop being naive like that -> not to do us a favour -- but themselfes successwise!
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (Fabio Alemagna):
The ANN forums is a gutter. Sometimes you find interresting stuff there, sometimes not. It's just about whether one feels that digging through the mud is worth the effort. I certainly don't mind anyone calling the ANN forums a gutter, since that is what it is to me. You may get offended by that, fine, but that doesn't mean that I tried/intended to offend you about it. It's all about different views of the matter. If in doubt, ask.
/Björn
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Nov-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (Björn Hagström):
Evidently you like going to gutters, then... what can I say.
However, given you come here, and given you say this place is a gutter, I guess you are one of the many that contribute to make this place a gutter?
And, while we are at it, I'd be interested in knowing why you think this place is a gutter.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (priest):
"Of course Bill's words have been "taken out of the context" and interpreted incorrectly, deliberately. ;) "
Ah yes, of course. Bill LIES and it is our fault for assuming he said what he meant, right?
Tell you what, let's read what he said...
"OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships"
Now, please do tell us how "OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships" can be "taken out of context"?
Mind you, that is the same interview where he states that OS4 is "ready to go - in three more weeks". So that means, according to Bill, OS4 is "ready to go" at the start of December 2002 (only 13 MONTHS after he last told us it was shipping), and OS5, according to Bill's own words ("OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships") is due out at the very start of December 2003.
Now, you can try to be funny with your oh-so-amusing putdowns by calling anyone who dares to present a viewpoint which you don't like as "kids", but the fact remains that McEwen stated that "OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships" and that OS4 is "ready to go - in three more weeks" at the start of the 2nd week of November.
Sorry you dislike it when people point out McEwen's lies, but that's the real world for you. Truth hurts, eh?
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 223 (nihilvor):
Just read Nill's own words on the subject, dear chap - "OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships".
Read it and weep. Yet another of McEwen's almost-endless lies.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 223 (nihilvor):
Just read Bill's own words on the subject, dear chap - "OS5 due out within 12 months from when OS4 ships".
Read it and weep. Yet another of McEwen's almost-endless lies.
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Posted by Roy on 22-Nov-2002 17:25 GMT
@Ben Hermans
Please come over to Amiga.org, MUCH less flaming, insulting, bitchin' etc; over there! Just a nice civilized place.
Regards
Roy
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Posted by MIKE on 22-Nov-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Works?
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Posted by It's MEEEE on 22-Nov-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Frodon):
I wonder why Hyperion guys take this so personal, they're attacking all the time, they try to appear the most Amiga-like, the most Coding-Wise, etc.
why? what they fear?
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Posted by ehaines on 22-Nov-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (spot):
Um, you DO realize that what "looks good" is highly subjective, and
that even if they hired a professional who made what was (to them)
the best-looking GUI on the planet, half the people here would still
hate it?
MacOSX and WinXP had highly-paid professionals working on the looks
of those, and many people dislike them anyway.
Which is not to say that Hyperion should just put out any old junk.
They won't, anyway, but people should understand that they cannot
possibly please everybody. That's why the look is configurable.
Now, you can't complain about how "being configurable isn't good
enough, it has to look perfect out of the box!" Because, as I said,
one person's "great" look is someone else's eyesore. Again, that is
WHY it's configurable. Now matter what the default look is, no matter
how "good" it is, many people WILL hate it. This is exactly the point
of making it so that YOU can change it so that it looks beautiful to
YOU, and then you can go and put up screenshots of your beautifully
themed GUI, and I will promptly complain about how ugly it is. :)
I'm thinking that maybe they ought to program in a GUI preferences
randomizer, which will randomly select various GUI options for all
new installs only. That way there won't BE any "default" GUI look to
complain about.
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Posted by NihilVor on 22-Nov-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 231 (Anonymous):
Again, my point is that he is so drugged up in that interview that it should be ignored. :) Actually, I wasn’t thinking of that interview when I posted my comment about the timeline. He, and better Fleecy, have previously mentioned that there is a hypothetical release (a TIMELINE) for the next OS installment in 12 months; that is either 4.2 or 4.5. The fact is Bill calls it something different every time. Logically he didn’t mean 5.0 when he spoke, but 4.2, which may be skipped, or 4.5. Your "liar liar pants on fire" claim is laughable, as there is absolutely no reason to lie about something as mutable as a timeline—where one can be "wrong" but not deceptive. Your analysis tells more about your vindictive disposition than it does about Bill’s intent.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Evidently you like going to gutters, then... what can I say.
I just sometimes have the time to dig through the mud to find the interresting stuff.
>However, given you come here, and given you say this place is a gutter, I guess
>you are one of the many that contribute to make this place a gutter?
I'll let you form your own oppinion on that.
>And, while we are at it, I'd be interested in knowing why you think this place
>is a gutter.
Because of the mudslinging, trolling and general bad behaviour that goes on in here.
/Björn
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Posted by Atheist2 on 22-Nov-2002 17:35 GMT
Now THAT'S multitasking!!!!
AMIGA!!! Beauty, Ehhh? (TM: Bob and Doug MacEnzie)
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 22-Nov-2002 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Björn Hagström):
Dragging windows off-screen (well, partially, they wouldn't do much good if they couldn't be brought back on-screen =), or keeping them there. Both have their immediate advantages, so I hope the OS4 developers will go for a compromise: present some "stickyness" when a window reaches the screen border. If the user proceeds to pull att the window, it will give in and move across the border. Look at how you can move panels in certain MUI applications, with a stickyness factor set in the MUI prefs, for an example.
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Posted by Esther Combee on 22-Nov-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Iggy Drougge):
I'd like to be able to drag my winders from my amiga screen to my linux screen and back. If they remained transparant during this time, it would not block my view of the woods as I dragged them back and forth. Do you think that is possible?
Esther
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Iggy Drougge):
Yeah, partly off screen ofcource :) In AROS hosted (under linux) you can move windows to any position the x screen allows, so if you have a AROS screen window that is smaller than the X desktop you can actually move whole windows outside the AROS screen since the mouse pointer is not confined to the AROS screen. Extremely annoying when you want them back later :)
Some x window managers automatically positions the window you drag to the edges of the screen if the window is near enough. Sort of, if the window if 5 pixels either inside or outside the edge then it will automatically will be positioned at the edge. I find that a bit annoying sometimes though, especially if I want to move the window a few pixels in some direction and it is suddenly automatically moved a lot more pixels towards the edge.
Personally I wouldn't like to have to put extra effort to move a window beyond the screen edge since I'm used to be able to quickly move windows out of the way in other desktops. But it should perhaps be able to be made optional to what you described.
/Björn
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 22-Nov-2002 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (Esther Combee):
LoL :)
/Björn
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Posted by Tomas on 22-Nov-2002 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (chris):
It was AmigaONE that was supposed to release before christmas you damn fuckhead.. Learn to READ!
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Posted by spot on 22-Nov-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (ehaines):
Yes. I get your point. But there are lot's of things to think about
when creating GUI graphics, that a PRO probably will, and most hobbyist
will not. Both Windows and MacOS looks WAY better than any of the
look-i-just-made-a-new-amiga-gui-in-photogenics kinda things will ever look.
A common comment on the Amiga GUI is, BOY that looks like Windows 3.11, or
ugh that is uggly.
It will have to look serious and professional. Adding some uggly Aqua buttons
here and there, and some steel over there simply will not do.
The whole look and feel of the OS must be carefully thought through, and
it must look unified and tight. (Yes, my English is not the best. But you
know what I mean.)
There is quite a lot of theory behind colours and shapes, on how they make
us feel and so forth...
Let a pro handle the GUI.
/spot
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Posted by Warren Katchmar on 22-Nov-2002 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ah, that is great news to hear :-) Yes, keep up the great work.
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Posted by asymetrix on 22-Nov-2002 19:41 GMT
Some interesting screenshots. First was best though :)
I myself like eyecandy so I like to see multicolour gradient effects across text or picture imprinting across text/font.
I like to see shadow effects on text/windows, t&l etc.
The way paintshop pro selects textures and lets users adjust the gradient colours and angles is cool :)
also the usual web eyecandy : rollover effect etc
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 22-Nov-2002 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (ne_one):
Is resizing by the window borders really the preferred method of most other OSes? Perhaps if we count the myriad of OSes which use The X Windowing System (and damn you if you ever call it anything else! ;-), but that's just on GUI system. Windows exists in multitude, but is usually referred to as ujust "Windows", despite the fact that it exists in several incarnations.
The Amiga user interface is a Mac clone in most ways. So is GEM. ISTR that BeOS and RiscOS use the resizing gadget scheme as well.
And I like it that way. Actually hitting the window border, which is a really flimsy thing on most GUIs, requires a lot of precision compared to a resizing gadget.
The developers have my go-ahead to add support for border-based resizing for whatever reasons, but please don't make it the standard way. I don't like it much at all, and it's a bit out of place on the Amiga, too, regardless of how cool it might be perceived on certain other platforms. We have our methods, they have theirs.
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Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Nov-2002 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (spot):
I don't want to nag or anything, but XP has got to be the ugliest OS out there, especially the default theme, what were they thinking when they came up with *that* one? Muchrooms? :)
MacOSX on the other hand is a beauty, Aqua is a very clean GUI, even if it has its quirks & eats resources like dammy spits out insults
The first screenshot in the line is one i really like, it's the kind of look that i find apealing, the others i like less.
People also complained about AOS3.9's default look, but come on, compare that to AOS 3.1 & the difference is *HUGE*
Let them work on it, by the time it's out they'll have some decent themes ;)
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Posted by Rudi Chiarito on 22-Nov-2002 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I doubt there are many candidates on your list which meet all those requirements.
The BCM-1250, for one?
> 1) which are cheap enough to be deployed in a desktop (say 100-200 USD tops)
As with most things, it all depends on quantity. Also, the BCM-1250 is a SoC; thanks to the integrated peripherals (DDR memory controller, PCI/HyperTransport bridges, PCMCIA and general purpose I/O, two 55Mbps serial links, three Gigabit Ethernet controllers) you can save a lot on companion chips or you can still resort to external logic - e.g. for AGP.
> 2) which do not dissipate so much heat that you need to take special precautions
At 800MHz the BCM-1250's two CPUs dissipate only 8-10W. No official data about the 1400. *That* is going to be interesting.
> 3) which deliver performance on par with current high-end desktop offerings
"Performance on par" depends on what benchmarks you run and how they are tweaked. Sure, on specific tests you can even show some superiority over the x86 world, but overall x86 offers more horsepower (think of bandwidth alone). That's mostly due to brute force and it costs a lot to keep up with Intel and AMD. Basically no 32bit or 64bit processor can compete on that at the same costs (have you seen the new Power4 Intellistation?).
The good news arising from this fierce competition is that today processors are powerful enough for most users in most situations. And graphic chips have improved at an even faster rate, thus offloading a lot of the typical burden from desktop processors. Factors like heat, the ability to cram multiple cores in tight spaces and companion chips will have to be the differentiators. At this point there's still quite some choice.
The BCM-1250 can, according to Broadcom, process up to 10 million IP packets per second. Not too shabby, although no more specific details are available. It wasn't originally meant as a desktop CPU, but for that matter the G4's main target wasn't the desktop, either.
> 4) which can run 32 bit code at no significant performance penalty (otherwise it's goodbye intent which is a 32 bit RISC architecture)
The only 64 bit processors with significant penalties for 32 bit code are Itaniums. That's because you're trying to make it run code for a totally different architecture. You couldn't expect any different. The same would have happened if IBM, say, had tried to bolt a 68k mode on a Power4.
A VP translator for Itanium (should there be need for one) would output native IA64 code, even if it just uses 32bit addressing. Making it output and execute x86 code would be masochistic. There's a substantial difference between an Itanium executing IA32 code and an Itanium executing native IA64 code for a 32bit virtual machine like VP.
> 5) which have some kind of advanced SIMD engine (required for todays multimedia support really)
The BCM-1250 supports both MIPS-3D and MDMX (MaDMaX). The former was introduced by SGI a long ago and accelerates vertex crunching (it implements paired-single arithmetic, basically the same as the extensions that Nintendo and IBM added to Gekko, the Gamecube PowerPC CPU). The latter is a more generic SIMD extension set.
Rudi
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Posted by Drunken one on 22-Nov-2002 19:57 GMT
Stop the fights. It won't lead anywhere. I maybe drunken but Amiga rules...forever..
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