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[News] Pegasos show in StockholmANN.lu
Posted on 22-Nov-2002 22:23 GMT by Adam Chodorowski12 comments
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On Sunday, December 1, the new PPC-motherboard Pegasos and operating system MorphOS will be shown in Stockholm. This is the perfect opportunity to test the system for yourself, if you happen to live nearby! The show is organized by Swedish Usergroup of Amiga on their premises, as a part of an open day that is held at the same time. The premises are open between 12.00 and 19.00; the Pegasos will be available to experiment with throughout the day. Instructions on how to get there are available at http://sua.proxxi.org/lokal.html. Please feel free to contact any member of the board if you have trouble finding or have any other questions; contact information can be found at http://sua.proxxi.org/kontakta.html.
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 1 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by someone funny :) on 23-Nov-2002 10:26 GMT
finally i now know why its called "MOS" :))
check link.... ur up for a laugh :)
http://www.armory.com./tests/virgin.html
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 2 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 23-Nov-2002 13:10 GMT
I'll have a look at it then.
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 3 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by RAG on 23-Nov-2002 19:16 GMT
Ah, nice! I'll hopefully be there...
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 4 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Nov-2002 09:19 GMT
I guess Örebro is close to Stockholm, the question is if i'm interested enough.
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 5 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by cv643d on 24-Nov-2002 15:59 GMT
Count me in then.. BROLL
I used to hang out in Proxxy some time in the early nineties, OMFG my 15 minutes of fame.. HAHA...
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 6 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 25-Nov-2002 01:39 GMT
Fine, just don't let that thing come anywhere near Linköping... :-P
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 7 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 25-Nov-2002 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (samface):
So so, don't be narrowminded. The Pegasos might actually be decent piece of HW even if the SW sucks. :-)
(For those of you with no logic skills - do note the 'if' and think about it, hard, before embarking on yet another flame war.)
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 8 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 25-Nov-2002 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Lennart Fridén):
You'll just have to come to terms with that there still are a few retards out there who judge a piece of hardware based on whether a distributor has licensed a certain trademark for it. The retard you replied to seems to be quite a bit more deluded than average and apparently feels so strongly about this that one POP mobo is not as welcome as another POP mobo to his little shithole (I can't seem to find a map of Sweden detailed enough to show this Linkoeping he's talking about). These are individuals who actually think that "Amiga" has anything to do with hardware today!
One has to wonder if he would have welcomed the Teron boards to his village before Eyetech became a distributor of them, or if he'd welcome the Pegasos boards if someone got one of those fucked up licenses...
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 9 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 25-Nov-2002 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Lawd):
"The retard you replied to seems to be quite a bit more deluded than average and apparently feels so strongly about this that one POP mobo is not as welcome as another POP mobo to his little shithole (I can't seem to find a map of Sweden detailed enough to show this Linkoeping he's talking about)."
That "retard" happens to be one of my best friends and the "shithole" you're talking about was my home for a year. *I* know what Samface thinks about Amiga Inc., Morphos, Hyperion, bPlan et al. *I* do so because I've spent quite some time with him *in person* and not through a lamer-riddled forum. Thus *I* know his sense of humor and even YOU could've noticed the smiley in his post.
If you continue to insult me and my friends I can only hand you these words:
BUGGER OFF RETARD!
But that won't happen as you'll crawl back into the "shithole" you just came from, right "pal"?
"These are individuals who actually think that "Amiga" has anything to do with hardware today!"
They do. They develop SW for it. Get over it. Or do you expect every OS vendor to develop HW?
"One has to wonder if he would have welcomed the Teron boards to his village before Eyetech became a distributor of them, or if he'd welcome the Pegasos boards if someone got one of those fucked up licenses..."
It's very simple. Amiga Inc. holds the rights and if you don't like their license scheme, fine don't use their IP. The computer industry is not some form of charity...
/Lennart Frid'en - Seriously pissed off at some "retard"
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 10 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 25-Nov-2002 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Lennart Fridén):
"even YOU could've noticed the smiley in his post."
That's *exactly* what I did, and if he was joking I think he should've chosen an appropriate smiley (or preferrably none at all, the tongue in cheek tone would've been obvious!). Now he used a :-P ("yuck"/"I'm disgusted" etc.) instead, indicating that he actually meant it seriously. Maybe it's that new misinterpretation of the :-P into a "happy face" GIF image at XOOPS sites like amiga.org that has caused some confusion.
Anyway, I apologize, Samface and Lennart.
In the light of Samface's... ahem... "well-known" trol^H^H^H^Hposting history, and with that smiley, I misunderstood the "joke", but it doesn't excuse me going out of line with those insults. I'm sorry, I was an asshole, plain and simple as that.
With that out of the way...
"Or do you expect every OS vendor to develop HW?"
I most certainly don't and and I most certainly wouldn't want that in the AOS case. I hope that even ainc one day will realize that Amiga OS is dependent on 3rd party hardware (that's the very core of their AOS business plan for crying out loud, nobody will make any Amigas anymore), regardless of what extra limitations they invent to actually REDUCE the available hardware base for AOS.
"It's very simple. Amiga Inc. holds the rights and if you don't like their license scheme, fine don't use their IP. The computer industry is not some form of charity..."
Exactly, and that's one of the reasons to why this licencing scheme is so detached from reality, to put it mildly. It is simply not compatible with sound market economics, and will kill a good product (AOS). The market in general won't abstain from buying ainc's IP (AOS) because they do or don't *like* the licencing scheme, people aren't that idealistic, they won't buy it because it's made an unnecessarily crippled product - they'd have to buy a particular new piece of hardware via a particular distributor, there's a 100% unnecessary extra "barrier to entry" to overcome to actually buy the product.
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 11 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 26-Nov-2002 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lawd):
"It is simply not compatible with sound market economics, and will kill a good product (AOS). The market in general won't abstain from buying ainc's IP (AOS) because they do or don't *like* the licencing scheme, people aren't that idealistic, they won't buy it because it's made an unnecessarily crippled product - they'd have to buy a particular new piece of hardware via a particular distributor, there's a 100% unnecessary extra "barrier to entry" to overcome to actually buy the product."
The M$ approach which you're spreading propaganda for simply isn't feasible for Amiga Inc. There are several numbers of reasons for this, such as:
* There is no such thing as an open PPC firmware standard. No, POP is not an open firmware standard. This means that the OS *has to* be adopted for each PPC hardware it's supposed to run on, regardless if there are some strange unknown hardware manufacturer out there which has created a motherboard very similar and probably compatible with an already licensed motherboard. You see, if they let people run the OS on whatever PPC hardware they like and the OS would turn out to run in a very unstable fashion, who would get the blame; Amiga Inc. or the hardware manufacturer?
* If there is something we should learn from the M$ industry, then it is "the power of the boot code". You see, most users buys a computer, not hardware and software. They mostly don't even know the meaning of the terms, for christ sake! So, if you want your OS to sell, bundle it with the hardware. As a positive side effect, this also reduces piracy as you don't need to pirate software that is included and preinstalled on the hardware.
* When you're operating on such a small and nearly extinct market like the Amiga market, you simply cannot release an OS based on some kind of non-existant PPC hardware standard and then expect hardware manufacturers magicly start making hardware for it. They *need* to closely cooperate in order to bring their customers a complete solution rather than just a part of it. Just like M$ cooperated with IBM back in those days, Amiga Inc. has turned to Eyetech. The "Windows certified hardware" market that we have today evolved through this kind of cooperation, and look where it got them.
Your ignorant insinuations that Amiga Inc. wouldn't have anything to do with hardware is utter and complete nonsense! All they ever did was outsource the production of the hardware. The Amiga is still a *computer*, including hardware as well as software.
Also, may I ask you to please stop refering to the hardware verification binaries as "crippling" the hardware? You see, the hardware verification binaries will NOT effect the performance of the hardware in any way at all and won't even be noticable by the user. Where did you get this from, Seehund? Surely sounds like it.
Now call me a troll or whatever you like, I don't care because *I* know that I have perfectly good reasoning behind my postings. Suprise me by prooving me wrong or atleast give me plausible arguments for your cause rather than dismissing me as a troll for a change.
You know, I have yet to see the arguments for why the actions of Seehund, for example, would be *helpful* to the Amiga market. I mean, even if you would have a good reason for disliking their licensing policies, how in the world could his petition and the articles/postings on nearly every computer related newssite out there be good for the Amiga? I mean, imagine that you haven't heard anything about the Amiga for many years until now, what would your reaction be if this is the first thing that you hear about it? That's right, you would loose your interest just as fast as it hit you.
So, go on and keep preaching to us about how evil Amiga Inc. is and how this will kill the Amiga. Be persistent enough and you might even succeed as well as make your doom predictions come true. Just answer me this, will you tell us "told you so" then?
Pegasos show in Stockholm : Comment 12 of 12ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 26-Nov-2002 01:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lawd):
" Now he used a :-P ("yuck"/"I'm disgusted" etc.) instead, indicating that he actually meant it seriously."
No, that was a ":-P" as in "I'm sticking my tongue out to be teasing", or simply as in the "tongue in cheek" expression. I'm most certain that it is the most common way of using the ":-P" sign, I've chatted away many hours of my life behind my computer. (Me and my brother even used to run a BBS back when we had an Amiga1000). Not once in my entire computer life have I ever seen anyone use the ":-P" for showing disgust.
However, this is an indicator of how people like yourself actually manages to misinterpret things so immensely and jumps into conclutions. Perhaps this entire licensing issue is also just a great misunderstanding on your behalf?
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