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Posted on 24-Nov-2002 12:38 GMT by Alkis Tsapanidis (Edited on 2002-11-24 13:51:36 GMT by Christian Kemp)189 comments
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Alkis Tsapanidis points out a comment posted by Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco in the Genesi on /. thread. Thendic (and all affiliated companies) hold a valid worldwide right and license to Amiga DE, the "Amiga" patents, and all associated copyrights and trademarks. This Agreement was signed between ourselves and Bill McEwen on 10 November 2000. The Agreement remains in effect today.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 151 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Nov-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Really? Where did I attack anyone's character?
For example here:
"In reply to Comment 108 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Everyone is a lawyer these days ...
First Takis, now Alkis. "
Takis is Thendic lawyer and you are implying that he is a bad lawyer.
and there:
http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/messages/69839.shtml
And that with doing a quick search.
"I have voiced opinions about legal and technical claims, that's all."
Yes, lately you have claimed wrong things about MorphOS.
For example you told that there was no SMP support
"I'm sorry but your pro-MorphOS prejudice is getting ridiculously out of hand."
When I ask you or Bill to prevent doing such post I think that I'am helping you think next time before doing such a post.
"I am confronted on a daily basis with posts from MorphOS supporters dragging the hard work of talented developers through the mud based on nothing more than their personal prejudice. "
"I have never seen you raise any objections to such posts."
And this is a pity, I read almost all developper posts here (both OS4 and MorphOS) and I admire them. Be sure that if I see anyone insulting the Frieden Brothers for example I will say something.
Maybe I do not see all theses posts (both sides) as I select what comment I read. For example I read all yours and Bill Buck ones in priority. that's why I reacted on your post to Takis.
"If you have any sense left, step down as moderator because you are not sufficiently neutral anymore to carry out this job."
If you have any sense stop insulting people. I'am selling your products right now while you are bashing me. Maybe you will success to make me biased soon.
"I don't blame you for taking sides, you are free to do so but at least recognise that you are no longer qualified to be an impartial moderator."
I may have defended MorphOS because I think it has all we wanted for OS4 and some people rejected it just because he had not the name. Unfortunately OS4 is not available yet. I have been running MorphOS for more than one year and I wish I had an OS4 beta to comment on it.
I also think that you played a considerable role in order to make the Amiga <-> MorphOS deal failed.
However I appreciate A LOT most of the coders involved in OS4 and appreciate their effort. They do what I always wanted even if a similar effort has already taken place elsewhere.
"Stop and consider that laywers go after me every day and I go after lawyers every day.
That's my job."
Yes I see that. Stop using your lawyers attacks here. If I would have been Thendic I would have sued you for discrediting MorphOS / Pegasos . I think they have been very keen particularly knowing Hyperion finances.
Let's try to forget that. I'am still selling your products AND recently Thendic ones so it is not will nor my interest to have each group sending mud to the other side.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 152 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Nov-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (amigammc):
Which one ? This one ?:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1038088382&category=web&number=22
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 153 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-Nov-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Christophe Decanini):
>Yes, lately you have claimed wrong things about MorphOS.
>For example you told that there was no SMP support
You mean the SMP support which was according to Emmanuel Leseur never tested (as there is no hardware to test it on) and which will probably never be incorporated into the A-Box?
Dixit Emmanuel a senior MorphOS developer.
I'm sorry but something which was never tested cannot possibly be considered as a genuine feature.
Try this with any consumer product and we are entering the realm of consumer fraud.
Besides, you are clearly turning a blind eye to all the posts by people on this very site claiming all kinds of nonsense about OS 4.
>I also think that you played a considerable role in order to make the Amiga <-> MorphOS
>deal failed.
Typical MorphOS propaganda. We had nothing to do with it.
We were ready to go ahead with it.
I have already explained countless times how and why the deal fell through.
WE had nothing to do with that.
(Quoting stuff from MooBunny is a bit weak BTW, is that the best you could find?)
>Yes I see that. Stop using your lawyers attacks here. If I would have been Thendic I would
>have sued you for discrediting MorphOS / Pegasos .
By all means! I can back up EVEYTHING I have ever posted here.
I would enjoy being sued.
>I think they have been very keen particularly knowing Hyperion finances.
Pathetic. Do you realise that we were sued for trademark and tradename infringement by Hyperion Solutions, a multinational company listed on several stockmarkets (Nasdaq, Franfurt etc.) with a yearly turn-over of 500 million dollar?
They hired top-notch lawyers to go after us.
We won that case and they settled the case.
You think I'm afraid of Thendic France which is a tidbit company compared to a huge company as Hyperion Solutions?
Think again.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 154 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 26-Nov-2002 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans
Have you read what you just posted??? You even say things that are bad
for you!! Do you think it's clever to act this way?
Some parts (even lot of) of what you said can be easily used against
you?
For example I don't think you're very well placed to talk about
tests. Have you already tested your ExecSG in real conditions (I mean
with real Amiga apps)?? Of course not as you didn't have the 68k
emulator integrated at the WOA SE yet so I guess even now it's not
fully integrated.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 155 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-Nov-2002 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (Steve):
Exec SG was tested extensively with torture tests etc.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 156 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 26-Nov-2002 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Pathetic. Do you realise that we were sued for trademark and tradename
>infringement by Hyperion Solutions, a multinational company listed on several
>stockmarkets (Nasdaq, Franfurt etc.) with a yearly turn-over of 500 million
>dollar?
>They hired top-notch lawyers to go after us.
>We won that case and they settled the case.
Could you please provide the court decision number? Would be intresting to read.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 157 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 26-Nov-2002 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans
And you think it's enough?? You know you are developping an OS that
should be compatible with AmigaOS 3.x softwares and so to be really
validate it'll need real tests.
Torture tests is simply not enough, it's good when you can't do
better, but it can't be considered to validate ExecSG completely.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 158 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-Nov-2002 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (David Scheibler):
I'm willing to send a copy of the verdict but it is in Dutch.
The ruling was by the Brussels Commercial Court.
Anyway, the offer still stands.
If you want a copy, please drop me a mail.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 159 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Nov-2002 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
If you like to provocate and go to court it is your problem.
I see that you do not answer to everything but it is ok for me.
I know that the moobunny stuff is not the original source but I remember that you said that. Did'nt you Ben ?
>Besides, you are clearly turning a blind eye to all the posts by people on >this very site claiming all kinds of nonsense about OS 4.
I already told that I select the comment I read. I don't read all comments. I read yours that why I ask you not to play the mud throwing game.
>>I also think that you played a considerable role in order to make the Amiga <->> MorphOS
>>deal failed.
>Typical MorphOS propaganda. We had nothing to do with it.
>We were ready to go ahead with it.
>I have already explained countless times how and why the deal fell through.
>WE had nothing to do with that.
Here is an interview where you say you have written the contract.
You said on ANN that Bplan was offered the same contract.
What would have stopped you to do a contract that meet your conditions, your choices (like having P96 instead of cgfx) and not Bplan ?
"Boing Attitude : Let's talk about AmigaOS 4.0 :) How did you do to convince Amiga Inc to let you manage AmigaOS 4.0 development ? Was it difficult ?
Ben Hermans: The negotiations were very time-consuming, yes but we are very pleased with the end-result which will allow us to ensure the future of the AmigaOS indefinitely. The fact that I have a law degree certainly helped because I drafted the contract myself, all 17 pages of it."
I guess the contract may have been different if it would have been drafted by someone at Bplan ...
Anyway, despite all this crap talk I wish success to both morphos and os4.
As I already said I had arguments with Bill Buck too so please don't think it is oriented. I just wished that you stop the Takis kind off attacks.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 160 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Timothy De Groote on 26-Nov-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (David Scheibler):
http://www.hyperion-software.com/
This was part of the settlement
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 161 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 26-Nov-2002 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Well I doubt I'll find one to translate, but could please mail it to me anyway?
Just courious to compare the reasons with those given by German courts. Thanks
a lot.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 162 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 26-Nov-2002 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans
> If you want a copy, please drop me a mail
Is it also valid for me? In this case, please send it to
steve_mcdonnels@hotmail.com
Thanks in advance
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 163 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 26-Nov-2002 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Please correct me if I'm wrong but why do I get this impression that you Want to get to court? Do you want to beat them at court instead of making better product? That's only logic I see in your postings now. You are so proud of your previous victory that you are now on trying to solve all real problems byt couple court orders?
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 164 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-Nov-2002 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (David Scheibler):
Well, the reasoning is not very well worked out.
Basically the court decided there was no risk of confusion.
I don't have it in electronic form I'm afraid.
Our courts are a bit backwards in this respect.
Paper all the way.
Still, I guess I could scan it.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 165 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 26-Nov-2002 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@ Ben Hermans
Yes please scan it :)
Thanks in advance
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 166 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-Nov-2002 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Christophe Decanini):
You are taking these quotes out of context Christophe.
This relates to the post-MorphOS period.
I have said it before and I'll say it again: we were ready to accept cooperation with the MorphOS team and bring in the Quark kernel.
We had secured sufficient safeguards to make this is a workable solution.
The deal subsequently fell through because of Ralph Schmidt's unwillingness to spin off the software development from bPlan.
Basically the relationship between Amiga and bPlan broke down, we had nothing to do with it.
I'm sick and tired of getting blamed for this.
This is typical creative history rewriting to fit your views.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 167 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 26-Nov-2002 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Well, the reasoning is not very well worked out.
>Basically the court decided there was no risk of confusion.
Sounds even more interesting ;)
>I don't have it in electronic form I'm afraid.
>Our courts are a bit backwards in this respect.
>Paper all the way.
How many pages?
>Still, I guess I could scan it.
Ah well if it is too much work for you then it isn't worth the effort I think.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 168 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 26-Nov-2002 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You are taking these quotes out of context Christophe.
This relates to the post-MorphOS period.
I have said it before and I'll say it again: we were ready to accept cooperation with the MorphOS team and bring in the Quark kernel.
@Ben Hermans
> The deal subsequently fell through because of Ralph Schmidt's unwillingness to spin off the software development from bPlan.
Then why you didn't just let at BPlan the main software development team and just contribute on some components?
After all it was started at BPlan why should have this changed?
Today the main OS 4 team is at Hyperion and their is a lot of contributors all around the world.
What would have been the problem if it was BPlan the main dev team and lot of contributors from all around the world?
I really don't see the prob
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 169 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-Nov-2002 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (David Scheibler):
Well, if it just a matter of copying it and putting it in a envelope, it's not particularly difficult.
The verdict is around 10+ pages I think but most of it simply is a summary of the respective positions of the parties.
Whilst we won the case, I was a bit disappointed by the short verdict because I had raised interesting points (at least I thought so) about the EU trademark directive and its incidence on the Benelux trademark law.
The court never got around to answering these points.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 170 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 26-Nov-2002 21:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (amigammc):
amigammc typed:
> I thought you wanted to be nice and hug everybody ;-)
Yeah, well in Ben's case I know he is tough and can take it. Besides just look
at him dish it out!
Sometimes when there is a major FUD campaign on, I feel like I should respond
with a little something. But you have a point, so I'll try to get back to "I'm
OK You're OK" mode. Thanks.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 171 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 27-Nov-2002 01:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben Hermans, the Amiga Socialist.
"Amiga should be for the Amigans, Mos People tries to steal the Amiga from the Amigans, Amigans of the world unite to kill Mos!"
Stop socializing the Amiga please, in the long run you'll do the same as anyone else. The times where a company could develop hardware for the Amiga are over, now all systems will be closed and the only possible upgrade is to buy a new one, Under MOS or AmigaOS4.
So stop using that propaganda, and if possible stop scaring childs with your "lawyer" jargon. Boogy Lawyer!
I've stated many times that I'm not against any solution, for me OS4 or MOS are ok the better should win... but I'm more and more pissed off with your childish attitude, and I'm starting to identify yourself with OS4. :(
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 172 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE in the mood! on 27-Nov-2002 01:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>>> The court never got around to answering these points.
Maybe they got bored of you.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 173 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by me two on 27-Nov-2002 05:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (It's MEEE in the mood!):
hehe
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 174 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 27-Nov-2002 07:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (It's MEEE!!!):
god know what point you are trying to make, and god only knows how you managed to come to such a weird statement.
one thing did make me laugh in an ironic sort of way though, the "childish attitude" you speak about.
seems Ben has been calling peoples bluffs and all they can do is make some more false statements about him and his company.
im happy he can take care of himself, his company, and OS4.
each to their own...
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 175 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by me two on 27-Nov-2002 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (derf):
Wow, you are 100% BAF, cool. Keep smoking this shit ;)
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 176 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 27-Nov-2002 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Christophe Decanini):
"Open your eyes. Mike had at least the courage to say he his biased."
Exactly, maybe you should do the same...:-)
"And for your records, I'am so against Amiga, Hyperion that I spent a fortune in a business that sold thousands of Amiga products and still do (last product is Hyperion Quake2)."
Silly argument. I said your biased, not stupid. If you can earn a buck selling Amiga stuff you would. Don't you think there are PC vendors that HATE Microsoft and still sell their products?
"You never posted like that when I had arguments with Bill Buck. It makes sense as you are Samface buddy."
Oh, if that is suppossed to be an insult you're way off. :-) Come now Cristophe, it's not as if I haven't noticed your bias for quite some time.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 177 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 27-Nov-2002 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Christophe Decanini):
"As I already said I had arguments with Bill Buck too so please don't think it is oriented. I just wished that you stop the Takis kind off attacks."
If you're thinking about "Everyone's a lawyer..." I must say that you're overreacting. I bet quite a few ANNers found that post amusing. If not, well go about your business...:-)
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 178 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (It's MEEE!!!):
> "Amiga should be for the Amigans, Mos People tries to steal the Amiga from the Amigans, Amigans of the world unite to kill Mos!"
Well, they do try to and this was officially stated in a press release at the pretory website. Kill? No. Ignore? Sure.
> Stop socializing the Amiga please, in the long run you'll do the same as anyone else. The times where a company could develop hardware for the Amiga are over, now all systems will be closed and the only possible upgrade is to buy a new one, Under MOS or AmigaOS4.
Thats BS. You can aquire a license to build OS4 compatible hardware at any time. Besides noone tried to make an Amiga compatible hardware design in 1985-1990 .. guess why.
> So stop using that propaganda, and if possible stop scaring childs with your "lawyer" jargon. Boogy Lawyer!
Aye, if i knew i were wrong i would be scared of lawyers too. Lawyers are the real world Im afraid.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 179 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Nov-2002 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Nice to see Amiga companies that have balls ... but that's rather natural isn't it. ;-)
(btw: how many lawyers are required to make a commercial OS ... ) ;-)
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 180 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 27-Nov-2002 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
It's funny...first you say that you were not involved at all and then you are really sure why the deal didn't go through. The problems that the MorphOS crew had were entirely different to what you keep on repeating.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 181 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 27-Nov-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Nicholai Benalal):
Nicholai,
don't make yourself funnier than you are. Just because you know the cause
for one thing doesn't make you the root for the cause.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 182 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 27-Nov-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Stefan Burström):
Stefan, I don't think I ever claimed to be (?) or to state the roots
of the events that took place. However, I don't agree with mr Hermans interpretation, and I don't see why people should accept it unconditionally like you seem to do.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 183 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Lennart Fridén):
Yes me selling Hyperion products is like a PC retailer selling Microsoft products.
As you think I sell Hyperion products and we where the first to expose the AmigaOne prototype pictures but we really hate everything with an Amiga name ... Wake up we almost bankrupt ourselve supporting the Amiga these last years !
It just looks like Amiga want to own us and do not like that we sell competing products. Very Microsoftish indeed.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 184 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2002 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Lennart Fridén):
Well if I say something in public that make think that you are not worth your job position would you like it ?
And I thought it was rather stupid to do such things with the competitor lawyer. It is not something that would help to stop this stupid war.
I was just saying "Please Ben stop doing that.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 185 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2002 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"You are taking these quotes out of context Christophe. "
Maybe but all these information are very confusing.
"I have said it before and I'll say it again: we were ready to accept cooperation with the MorphOS team and bring in the Quark kernel. "
Is WE Hyperion as a Amiga/Bplan partner or WE as Ben Hermans and Bill McEwen ?
"Basically the relationship between Amiga and bPlan broke down, we had nothing to do with it."
I thought you were implicated in these agreements. Cqn you say here that you never wrote a line in the contract that Bplan refused ?
My feeling is that if you really wished to have the bplan deal not working it would have been very easy for you to suggest to Amiga to change the contract so Bplan would not accept.
Is the claim that Nicholai made right (saying that when an agreement was almost found the contract was 80% changed) ?
Anyway this has no more importance today as we will have two competing product. I wish all companies to do well.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 186 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (Christophe Decanini):
> It just looks like Amiga want to own us and do not like that we sell competing products. Very Microsoftish indeed.
Umm what exactly did Amiga do to hinder you sell competing products (or to "own" you)??
And of course _no_ company "likes" a competitors products to be sold.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 187 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Christophe Decanini):
> I thought you were implicated in these agreements. Cqn you say here that you never wrote a line in the contract that Bplan refused ?
What exactly has the act of writing and formulating a contract to do with what the contract implies (AmigaInc) and wether you accept it (bplan/thendic)?
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 188 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 27-Nov-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Christophe Decanini):
>I thought you were implicated in these agreements. Cqn you say here that you >never wrote a line in the contract that Bplan refused ?
To my knowledge, there was never a contract on the table, only a "memorandum of understanding".
I'm not even sure that was supposed to be legally binding or not.
>My feeling is that if you really wished to have the bplan deal not working it >would have been very easy for you to suggest to Amiga to change the contract so >Bplan would not accept.
Paranoia. Hyperion had no particular desire to do OS 4 (although I'm glad we decided to do it).
We wanted to do 3D support and games related technology (AmigaInput etc.).
So we were okay with working with the MorphOS team after securing sufficient safeguards:
1. Clear division of labor so that everybody would stay on their own turf.
2. Access to all source-code including the kernel.
3. Independent arbiter appointed by Amiga to ensure that if certain things we wanted to implement, bugs we wanted to have corrected etc. would not be shot down or blamed on us. We have no particular faith in people who claim on their homepage that games "don't play such an important role to set the direction of future OS development" and who had to be persuaded to implement VM because they held the view that one should just stick in more physical memory.
4. Project management in the hands of Amiga Inc as holders of the IP.
>Is the claim that Nicholai made right (saying that when an agreement was almost >found the contract was 80% changed) ?
I didn't write that memorandum of understanding. Fleecy did.
We did put forward our objections or requirements for successful cooperation.
It is my understanding that the deal fell through for several reasons:
1. The refusal to spin off the MorphOS development from bPlan creating an unworkable situation for third party hardware producers.
2. The refusal to drop Cybergraphx in favor of a combined effort by the P96/Cybergraphx team.
3. The insistence on marketing the Quark technology as a product in its own right in certain niche markets (embedded systems etc.) where AmigaOS was clearly competitive. This also included the right to develop this competitive technology further which would be owned by bPlan.
If you ask me, at the end of the day, there was a gamble on the part of certain people that Amiga Inc would no longer be around for much longer and that acceding to their demands was silly in view of the time and effort invested in developing MorphOS because once Amiga bankrupt and gone, the Amiga OS would only have a single product to fill the void.
The result is history.
Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents? : Comment 189 of 189ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks for the details. Now I have to make my mind with the different stories.
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