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[News] ARC 2002: Elbox will be present!ANN.lu
Posted on 26-Nov-2002 20:22 GMT by Jens Schönfeld83 comments
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Elbox, the company that pioneered PCI adapters for classic Amiga computers, will be present at the AMIGA + RETRO COMPUTING 2002 show. The hardware vendor and developer has hit the headlines lately because of a disputed protection mechanism in their driver software. Therefore we're especially happy that the company from Poland will face up to the dialogue with the users.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 1 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Nov-2002 19:33 GMT
Please no flames.
And no, I'am not Elbox biased.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 2 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Nov-2002 19:35 GMT
I guess it will go something like this...
Dickhead in crowd: "Damn you Elbox for spreading drivers that can kill our hard drives. Rot in hell you S.O.B's!!!"
Elbox: "Do you actually own one of our products?"
Dickhead in crowd: (shuffling uneasily) "Err... nooooo.... Oh look a Pegasos - gotta run, bye!!!"
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 3 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 26-Nov-2002 19:44 GMT
and those dickheads will be 100% correct
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 4 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Nov-2002 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Hooligan/DCS):
And how will the Elbox drivers trash the RDB of someone that doesn't own Elbox hardware?
Oh, I know - stolen hardware running pirate drivers!!! My heart bleeds for them.
And what Elbox products do you use? Hard drive died lately?
I guess Micro$haft must have something similar in their products which is why PC users do a complete OS re-install on average every 6 months. ;-)
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 5 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Nov-2002 19:53 GMT
Now everybody take foul eggs and rotten tomatoes with you :)
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Posted by Olly on 26-Nov-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Darrin):
I hate to say it, but I've only had to install XP once so far. Its [chokes] actually quite good [eeeuuggghhhh]
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 7 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Nov-2002 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Olly):
Perhaps I need to (shudders at the thought) upgrade my Win98/WinME machines.... Arrrggghhhhh!!!!
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 8 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 26-Nov-2002 22:45 GMT
95/98/ME are a laughable joke when you compare them against Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft have finally taken NT and put it to use for what it's good for - a stable, powerful desktop machine.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 9 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 26-Nov-2002 23:00 GMT
Cool! They're gonna apologize in person ;-)
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 10 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 26-Nov-2002 23:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Darrin):
So you're saying that only the families of the people killed by the snipers lately have a right to swear against the sniper. A crime is a crime.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 11 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 26-Nov-2002 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (amigammc):
The snipers are a different matter altogether. Besides which, nobody
has actually had their RDB trashed apart from people fiddling about
with the cracked drivers just to prove to themselves and their sheep
like followers that "Elbox are the bad guys".
Sad.:(
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Posted by Rob on 26-Nov-2002 23:20 GMT
I hope they don't take any shit off the idiots who will be at the
show.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 26-Nov-2002 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Rob):
Uh, right. And the victim of that rapist probably deserved it also for
wearing such "immoral" sexy clothes? And maybe she even liked it? So I
guess we shoudln't complain, huh, since we can't know for sure if
anyone was actually hurt?
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 14 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David on 26-Nov-2002 23:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (amigammc):
> So you're saying that only the families of the people killed by the snipers lately have a right to swear against the sniper. A crime is a crime.
The cracker is the only sniper here who shot himself modifying Elbox driver. It's hard to criticize those who produce knives for other people using them for suicide instead of cutting bread.
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Posted by Darrin on 26-Nov-2002 23:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (amigammc):
Come on mate, let's compare apples with apples here. Elbox haven't shot anyone (in fact, we don't know of anyone who had their hard drive's RDB erased by accident), and no-one has been physically hurt.
Now, plenty of people in the USA have unregistered guns and some have so many guns that they're not sure which ones are legal and which ones are not. As unregistered guns can be used to kill people should we therefore throw all unregistered gun owners in jail on murder charges? If you say "Yes" then I'd say you have a problem Mr Judge Dredd, if you say "No" then I'd say "Why not? They broke the law!!!"
Elbox did something naughty, but their intentions were not to hurt their customers, but rather to protect them by ensuring their company's survival in a pirate infested marked. No-one got hurt, no-one is dead and Elbox have learned a very harsh lesson. Now let's end the "Salem Witch Trials", order our AmigaOnes (unless you have already), let Elbox get on with making and marketing excellent hardware (while watching them very closly) and wait for OS4.0.
:-)
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Posted by Darrin on 26-Nov-2002 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Johan Rönnblom):
Are you saying that Elbox raped you???!!! And you liked it??? And you want more???!!!
I may have misread what you typed as it make %&^#-all sense.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 17 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David on 26-Nov-2002 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (amigammc):
> Cool! They're gonna apologize in person ;-)
You think that guy who cracked their soft would come to Elbox so that they apologize to him? :))
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Posted by Derek the Dalek on 27-Nov-2002 00:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (David):
>You think that guy who cracked their soft would come to Elbox so that they >apologize to him? :))
It wasn`t cracked FFS ..sigh..
Any idiot can download and disassemble an executable, and whats more, it`s perfectly legal to do so (at least where I live).
It`s the distribution of any code made from this that`s illegal.
And before you shoot me down as an anti Elbox idiot, I`ve got a powerflyer in one A1200 and an old IDE splitter in the other
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Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 00:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Derek the Dalek):
Nobody is denying that the code was wrong, but some people have been over-reacting a bit. You seem to be faily rational about this, but others are trying to compare them to The Sniper (yes, you Luca!!!) and a rapist. I mean, come on!!! Let's get serious here :)
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Posted by Some Farker on 27-Nov-2002 01:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 ([JC]):
(Since this thread is *already* in the toilet...)
Windows 2000 and XP are, quite frankly, what Microsoft should've been doing all along. I don't like the look of the UI in XP (which is OK, it's flexible enough for me to tone down to the default Win2k interface). If you're wondering, the advantages of going NT-based are many: rogue apps don't take the system down (something the Amiga [and 9x based MS OS's]still struggles with, until OS4 anyway), far superior memory management (fact: more than 128mb RAM actually degrades 9x OS's performance), it's all now PnP based with a superior HW/OS interface (an honest-to-goodness Device Manager!).
Dividing the two OS's, if you're doing *mission critical* stuff, as in video editing, audio, or just having to run business apps etc., then go 2k. The real charm of XP for myself is it's greater backwards compatibility. Some stuff that just will *not* run under NT4 or Win2k runs just dandy under XP. My *dislike* of the OS centers on it's (in my opinion) draconian "registration". Quite frankly, once I'd purchased a copy of the OS, I downloaded a "cracked" ISO and use it instead. Why? Because I don't have to "authorize" the damned thing, and installing a service pack won't invalidate my serial key!
...which is *still* far, far less harsh than erasing someone's MBR. Er, RDB.
But that aside, if you want to get the most out of the HW you've got, go XP or 2k. If you've just got a little PII and 128mb RAM that you occationally turn on for recreational purposes, don't bother. But if you're one of those folks who sees usefulness and good in *all* operating systems, feelings about the parent companies aside, and you really want to maximize your day to day Win experience, go XP.
One quick aside, going back to system requirements, as a hobby I often screw around with OS's, and try to install them on the lowest spec'ed system I can find (recent project: Win95 on a 386/33/4mb/512mb HD laptop - worked, btw) or put together. Win2000 runs acceptably well on a P200 w/128mb RAM, 2gb HD, 2mb PCI video. I have yet to try XP on that box, but as it's my server ATM, I doubt I will. I may drag the Celeron 300 out and try it on *that* one (128mb RAM, 8mb video, onboard sound, 6gb HD).
Oh...and...um...Can't wait for the new AmigaOne boards ;-)
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 21 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 27-Nov-2002 01:38 GMT
I wonder where is Ben Hermans the great's people champion with it's superior knowledge of european laws, to ilustrate us about this "legal" issue with Elbox, to protect us from the evil...
Why don't you run to save us from Elbox Mr Hermans???? why??? Because Elbox is a potential customer????
nah! they're angels compared to the MOS scumm which try to steal the Amiga.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 22 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu Suikki on 27-Nov-2002 02:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Rob):
There was an incident few years ago in Finland.. A guy had put a
poisonous snake in his car, as a "watchdog". Someone broke into the
car, was bit by the snake, and sued the car owner. Won the case
obviously. He had to pay for the broken window though, but nothing
else because he didn't steal anything.
Elbox issue is slightly different; resourcing a legally obtained
driver for personal or educational use is legal.
--
Teemu
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 23 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 02:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Darrin):
> Are you saying that Elbox raped you???
Mate, it's an analogy. If you don't even understand his point then maybe you shouldn't be talking so much crap on here.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 24 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 27-Nov-2002 02:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Darrin):
> Nobody is denying that the code was wrong,
Yes, it was criminal.
>but some people have been over-reacting a bit
Overreacting? Flamming them on ANN is overreacting??? They brake the law and we aren't even alowed to point it out. You need your head examined.
>trying to compare them to The Sniper (yes, you Luca!!!) and a rapist.
You're a moron. An absolute moron. Somone tries to convey a simple concept to you through a very straight forward analogy and you just... argh... don't understand. Look I'll put it simple your you.
braking the law == bad
you sticking up for them == idiot
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 25 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David on 27-Nov-2002 02:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Teemu Suikki):
> Elbox issue is slightly different; resourcing a legally obtained driver for personal or educational use is legal.
You missed the point.
Resourcing their driver does not do any harm. The problem comes up in using the _modified_ code. Why should Elbox be responsible for the modified, cracked code?
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 26 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu Suikki on 27-Nov-2002 02:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (David):
No, i didn't miss the point. Modifying the driver would be similar to
breaking the window in that car. If a "cracker" gets his RDB
destroyed, he has every right to sue Elbox and IMHO is very likely to
win.
--
Teemu
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 27 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 27-Nov-2002 02:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (David):
You're not getting it.
You *don't get to boobytrap things*. It's *wrong*. Elbox is, at the very least, highly unethical. There is no way they can say with 100% certainity that the trap they put in the driver wouldn't be triggered. That's like me suggesting that my computer will never crash because it's running right now. There's absolutely NO way.
Furthermore, Elbox's attitude is completely reprehensible, on par with Hyperion's "stupid Americans" comment. So people who don't use Elbox hardware are poor, and what they do use is second rate?
The most libelous, low-down, third-rate used car dealers in the U.S. wouldn't run an advertisement suggesting something like that. But apparently Elbox thinks it's OK to do that very thing. I say fuck 'em. Let 'em dry up and blow away. Fact is, in short order their little add-on card won't be worth a truckload of dead rats when the Pegasos and A1 systems take off, period. Who'd pay the price of a couple of P4 boards (w/ CPU!) for a single PCI riser board?
Not I, said the little red hen. I'll tell you what else - if this happened in the United States, they'd find themselves before a judge explaining why they were selling applications that had been designed to deliberately wipe out a user's HD without that user's knowledge or consent (don't give me a bunch of crap about restoring the RDB - you can go to the hardware store and buy a new pane if I throw a rock through your window and it doesn't make my vandalism right).
I, for one, thought that the Elbox product(s) were great, and gave some recourse to folks who didn't wanna let go of their legacy hardware. I was even wondering if they'd release a riser with AGP support. Now I couldn't care less.
To those who are inexplicably leaping to the defense of Elbox, there's not one person who's decried the hardware. I think it's good hardware. I think it's good hardware designed and manufactured by an ethically corrupt company with absolutely no regard for end-users.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 28 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David on 27-Nov-2002 02:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Simon):
>Yes, it was criminal.
You are wrong.
It`s perfectly legal to have such code in the driver, just as it's legal to have a knife in the kitchen.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 29 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 27-Nov-2002 02:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (David):
This isn't a "knife in the kitchen" issue. It's an issue of loading the knife up on a spring trap on the window" issue. Hey, as long as nobody comes in the window, they won't get hurt! And only thieves and so forth would come in through the window - we can guarentee nobody but them would ever come in the window, right? Right?
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 30 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 02:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
If you think what Elbox did is equal to a rape then you need to be tied face down on a bed in prison while the inmates take turns on you - then perhaps you'll understand how trivial the thing Elbox did.
Don't even attempt to compare the two things you narrow-minded idiot.
Sheesh.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 31 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 02:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Simon):
>You're a moron. An absolute moron. Somone tries to convey a simple concept to >you through a very straight forward analogy and you just... argh... don't >understand. Look I'll put it simple your you.
>braking the law == bad
>you sticking up for them == idiot
Let me put this into perspective for you:
Korea building nuclear weaponsbad
World Hungerbad
Hole in the ozone layerbad
Elbox writing code to protect their diversmisguided
You trying to burn Elbox at the stake for protecting their interestsdick
Got it yet, little man? Perhaps when you move out of your mum's house and get weaned off her breast then you'll begin to wake up and understand what matters in this world.
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Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 02:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Teemu Suikki):
>If a "cracker" gets his RDB destroyed, he has every right to sue Elbox and IMHO is very likely to
Very true, but we both know that in this situation that the law is wrong and the "pirate" deserves to have his hard drive and his warez collection wiped out. :)
It's also wrong that Elbox users have the chance of having their drives wiped by accident which is why this is good that it's come to light and the drivers re-written to remove the code. This doesn't excuse the few idiots here that want to destroy one of the last Amiga developers just to satisfy their childish blood-lust and because, at heart, they're are a worthless bunch of pirating scum that spend most of their time downloading warez and MP3 files.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 33 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 02:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Some Farker):
>>And only thieves and so forth would come in through the window - we can guarentee nobody but them would ever come in the window, right? Right?
Oh come on!!! All of my guests use my front door. :-)
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 34 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David on 27-Nov-2002 03:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Some Farker):
> There is no way they can say with 100% certainity that the trap they put in the driver wouldn't be triggered. That's like me suggesting that my computer will never crash because it's running right now. There's absolutely NO way.
Much more chance to destroy the RDB is to have the computer crash when the scsi.device is running. So, stop to use your computer if you really believe in your words.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 35 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 27-Nov-2002 03:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Darrin):
And none of them go near the window, right? :-)
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Posted by Some Farker on 27-Nov-2002 03:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (David):
There's absolutely positively NOTHING - that's N O T H I N G - about scsi.device that's *designed to blow up the RDB*. PERIOD. No one coding scsi.device ever sat down and said "...and this bit we put in here, this'll trash their RDB." None. Not a single one. I don't have to "stop using computers", nitwit. Because aside from VIRII and TROJANS written by malign little fuckwits with nothing better to do than destroy (since they can't create), there's never been anything on my computer that was designed to deliberately destroy data - other than the FORMAT command, which can't be accidentally triggered. Plus I know what that command is there for.
Unlike Elbox's driver. Comparing an accidental data loss to a deliberate attempt by a company to sabotage a user's system is disingenuous and downright stupid - let me guess, you don't buy a thing you're saying, you're just trolling for entertainment, right? I mean, nobody could sit around and defend Elbox's reprehensible behavior.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 37 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 27-Nov-2002 04:29 GMT
Hehe, nice thread ;o)
Don't foreget to put lead in your gloves ;o)
/Björn
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 38 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 27-Nov-2002 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
Korea building nuclear weaponsbad
World Hungerbad
Hole in the ozone layerbad
All these things have nothing to do with the Elbox situation (remember, this is what you were bitching about before).
You don't understand whan an analogy is. It is no ones fault excpet your own 'little man' that you can't even follow a simple argument.
The whole point is that they broke the law and you think that that is ok. But you can't seem to get that into your silly litte head.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 39 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 27-Nov-2002 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Darrin):
>the law is wrong
Hey, it's lucky we have you around to tells us which laws we don't have to abide by! Thank you!!
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 40 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 27-Nov-2002 08:11 GMT
Oh my God, are people still defending Elbox's illegal USB driver? What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you Masochists or something?
"Elbox gives good support" - That's what I hear, good. not the issue though.
"It's a great product" - That's also what I hear. Glad to hear it, but NOT the issue.
"Nobody has reported problems" - Great! However, not the issue again.
The issue is the driver is *I L L E G A L*.
This whole issue is just so rediculously black and white, people, the driver is "illegal" regardless how good the hardware is, or how helpfull the tech support staff is.
"You don't own one so shut up" - not the point, it's still Illegal weather or not I own one. What difference does it make if I own one?
I know brand loyalty plays a part in this, but really guys, this is just so over the top it's embarassing. The driver is illegal and not one excuse you people have desparately thrown up to counter the issue change that fact.
Before the Amiga market will improve, the members of it's community should start raising the standards they hold the businesses they patron to higher than they currently do. Not asking for anything unreasonable, but for a start, the driver should be freaking LEGAL before those standards should be considered met, sheesh!
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 41 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEEE!!! on 27-Nov-2002 10:09 GMT
I insists asking where's everyone's favourite's Solicitor, to say if what Elbox did is Ilegal or not and if they're liable for sueing. The Amiga hero, The people's paladin, the Amigans champion... I'm talking about "Mr I known about law, coz I'm, a lawyer Hermans".
Where is he when Legal advice is needed???? Answer: Atacking Mos people.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 42 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 27-Nov-2002 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (It's MEEEE!!!):
Yeah you've already said that once, and people ignored you.
Stop trolling, Ben Hermans has nothing to do with this thread.
Ian
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 43 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 10:27 GMT
I am a legitimate Mediator owner, I am a developer of software for mediator owners (SuperTV, HauppaugeIR. Not sure if i'll bother any more though), and I don't trust Elbox at all since this whole affair. I base that opinion purely on my own analysis of the software. Does that qualify me enough to be pissed off at Elbox?
I'm certainly not buying any more Elbox stuff, and I *was* going to get a SharkPPC, too.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 44 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 27-Nov-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (It's MEEEE!!!):
Nobody bite. Just remove that post, and the previous one.
Thanks.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 45 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 27-Nov-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ian Shurmer):
It has to do believe me.
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 46 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 27-Nov-2002 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (amigammc):
I think that people who compare something like what Elbox did and murder/rape etc should get a life :) Elbox guys are like angels when compared to muderers or rapists don't you think ?
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 47 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Some Farker):
>>And none of them go near the window, right? :-)
LOL - yep, and don't open the cubboard in the kitchen marked "keep out" - that's why my children are missing fingers. ;-)
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 48 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Simon):
>>You don't understand whan an analogy is.
Yes thanks, I know EXACTLY what an analogy is. This is a classic example of a BAD analogy.
If you wanted to compare Elbox with some punk running a set of keys down the side of your car then I may have agreed, but not rape. You're insulting rape victims with your "analogy".
ARC 2002: Elbox will be present! : Comment 49 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Peter Gordon):
If you don't want to continue then you should release those as open source, don't punish users because of what elbox did :)
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Posted by Darrin on 27-Nov-2002 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (TBone):
>>"You don't own one so shut up" - not the point, it's still Illegal weather or not I own one. What difference does it make if I own one?
There's a woman in Nigeria that's going to be stoned to death for adultery. I'm sure you don't own her either, but if crimes that have nothing to do with you make you so angry then tell me how many emails have you sent to the Nigerian Embassy asking for her to be spared? As many as you've posted against Elbox of include anni-pirating code in drivers you do use?
Oh, and those drug dealers in your city... go and patrol the bad areas of town at midnight and make some citizen arrests.
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