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We're proud to present you the new AmithlonTV. For all those out there who never heard about AmithlonTV here is a small sumery: The original AmithlonTV was made by Michael Ulbrich in the beginning 2002. Due a lack of time I took over his project and started a complete new AmithlonTV in June 2002. In the beginnig of November the hardest part was done. Well, now at the end of November I came to a point, where I need more information about the cards out there. So here it is: The new AmithlonTV! We're proud to present you the new AmithlonTV. For all those out there who never heard about AmithlonTV here is a small sumery:

The original AmithlonTV was made by Michael Ulbrich in the beginning 2002. Due a lack of time I took over his project and started a complete new AmithlonTV in June 2002. In the beginnig of November the hardest part was done.

Well, now at the end of November I came to a point, where I need more information about the cards out there. So here it is: The new AmithlonTV!

I made AmithlonTV for you, so I need your help to support all the card out there. My personal card is already full supported! Your job, if you take em, is to test AmithlonTV with an TV card available and send me debug information. I need detailed information on the used card (Name, Vendor, internal and external connectors ...) and the used chips on the card. It's also required to send in the "AmithlonTV/Libs/TVCard_CardData/Autoconfig.card" file which will be created when running the tool TVCardSetup. When you 're able to use Windows it would be very helpful if you could start "btspy" to create a setup logfile, which is also available on the AmithlonTV homepage within the Support/Download section.

On the AmithlonTV homepage you can also find a hardware list containing all tested cards. With your help this list will grow rapidly within the next weeks. 99% of the listed cards should at least deliver a picture on all available video inputs.

There is also a new mailinglist "AmithlonTV" for AmithlonTV specific discussion available on our homepage.

AmithlonTV Homepage Link: AmithlonTV Homepage
AmithlonTV Mailinglist Link: AmithlonTV Mailinglist

AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 1 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by RedImpact on 27-Nov-2002 17:38 GMT
Can this software be used on A1?
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 2 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (RedImpact):
Amithlon TV is driver based. uses tvcard.library...I guess it will be possible to support OS4's pci.library...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 3 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Heh, hopefully its API isn't as laughably pathetic as Elbox's tv.library :)
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 4 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Testimonial on 27-Nov-2002 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (RedImpact):
Why do you plan to buy a buggy hardware ?
- It does not have sound
- It has a buggy VIA that causes data trash during fast Harddisk access
- It does not have FIREWIRE
- It is a big Motherboard that consumes a lot of power and generates a lot of heat
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 5 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Testimonial on 27-Nov-2002 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Testimonial):
and nearly forgot it:
- It uses one PCI bus for AGP and PCI and the other BUS for PCI only
that is if you plug in an AGP card on the one BUS you can access it with 66Mhz but as soon as you plug in a 33Mhz PCI card on the same bus then the speed of the AGP card get reduced to 33Mhz too.
All this are not happening with the Pegasos Mobo. So please rething your decision and think wise. Going for a branch and label does you give nothing at the end.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 6 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Testimonial):
Why do you come to ANN and post great big adverts for the Pegasos in threads that HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE?
Leave the guy alone if he wants an AmigaONE, it really doesn't matter what you think of it.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 7 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Testimonial):
First off. Yes you loose a PCI port if you use the AGP port.. And You loos the speed of 66Mhz on the PCI (yes, some pci configurations can run 66Mhz). But it's not a problem as there are few pci cards that can run in 66Mhz mode..
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 8 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Peter Gordon):
Please don't whine about true Facts!
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 9 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Oh shut up. I was complaining about the TOTAL irrelevance of the post.
FYI, I would have posted exactly the same if he'd been anti-Pegasos.
I'm really sick of ANN, which is a shame because Christian has put together a nice site, it just seems to be a breeding ground for braindead trolls. I just thank god other sites aren't so bad. Christ knows what a prospective Amiga user would think if they came here...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 10 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Peter Gordon):
In first place, I would be thankful if you could stop your permanent user insults. You haven't hired the only rights to write here. Not necessary to mention that writing here is no privilege that only you own.
> Christ knows what a prospective Amiga user would think if they came here...
Yes they get correct and necessary informations about the negative aspects of the AmigaOne, that they may never heard about. It is necessary to inform these people about negative aspects before they go out and spent their hard earned money for broken Hardware.
Have a nice day!
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 11 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Right. And you have done long term testing of the final, consumer AmigaONE hardware, have you? You've personally done soak tests, conducted experiments that conclusively prove that it is bugged and flawed? And you can prove that any of this has EVEN THE SLIGHTEST little bit of relevance to AmithlonTV?
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 12 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Peter Gordon):
All I say is 'VIA 82C686B'
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 13 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Oh... *OF COURSE* so you must know everything about the final AmigaONE. And now I see how it has EVERYTHING to do with AmithlonTV. Gosh, don't I look stupid! *slaps forehead*
Grow up :) I won't be replying to you any more anyway, so say what you like. Knock yourself out.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 14 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by X on 27-Nov-2002 20:15 GMT
Woohoo! First relevant post...
Thanks to Mr Frank for a great program.
Since I own Amithlon and have a TV card (BT848) I'll
give this program a try! I hope it will work :).
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 15 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Peter Gordon):
> Oh... *OF COURSE* so you must know everything about the final AmigaONE.
Oh this is *NOT* the final *AMIGAONE* ? Eyetech already announced the specs some weeks ago and I as possible customer thought that these are final end customer informations. So Eyetech is taking the hard earned money from their customers already and still they are tweaking around in the Hardware ?
Let's sum it up:
- No AmigaOS 4.0
- No final AmigaONE hardware
But Eyetech is already taking pre-orders!
Congratulations you just made AmigaONE the most unreliable pile of shit available. I lost every piece of hope and trust in that Hardware! Oh by the way, I was just pointed to the yahoo AmigaONE mailinglist and read about the XE changes.... My comment as customer 'forget about it' I don't investigate into halfassed broken Hardware that still is under construction.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 16 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 27-Nov-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Testimonial):
This is getting ridiculous. Do you really have to put the word Pegasos in every thread? Then go wonder that people end up hating the thing
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 17 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (amigammc):
Let's see...
... This is a Amiga related Newspage that deals with Amiga, Pegasos, MorphOS and AmigaOS related informations day in and day out ...
And you have the need to tell me why I use Pegasos in my Sentences ?
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 18 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 27-Nov-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Hey.. If you read that amigaone mailinglist mail from Eyetech you should know that the A1-XE are now in production. Sure there are some minor changes but they are for the better IMO.
Stop spreading all your foolish crap!
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 19 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 27-Nov-2002 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
you don't have to mention it in every thread. This thread wasn't about the Pegasos. You brought up totally irrellevant stuff...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 20 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by RedImpact on 27-Nov-2002 20:40 GMT
I repeat! Can this software be used on A1?
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 21 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 27-Nov-2002 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
No, this is a thread about AmithlonTV. Do youi have the faintest idea of what being ON TOPIC means?
I'm tired of this MOS propaganda, you don't nearly seen as much about AmigaOne/OS4
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 22 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Right, OK, this really is my last post on the subject.
I don't know what is wrong with you, or why you are so insecure about the AmigaONEs existance that you have to go on such a personal crusade against it, and I don't care. You can go on being a childish troll and take everything out of context all you like for all I care.
The fact of the matter is that knowing what VIA is present on the AmigaONE motherboard tells you exactly NOTHING about the board itself. Why don't you wait until some people get hold of consumer boards for themselves and post their experiences. Then, and ONLY then will you know for sure if they have problems with high speed data transfers etc. etc. UNTIL THEN you are just spouting pure biased conjecture.
I don't have anything against the Pegasos, or the AmigaONE. I'm mature enough to base my purchasing decisions on real life experience instead of biased rants from over-enthusiastic supporters of competitive systems.
If the Pegasos and MorphOS are SO earthshatteringly great, why do you have to shout about it, and how bad you think its competitors are (based on a single part number, with NO personal experience) in every single item on ANN? hmm? Why can't you just have confidence in the products ability to sell itself on merit?
Anyway, i'm done with this childish argument, its really not worth my time or energy.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 23 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by CoolIO on 27-Nov-2002 20:43 GMT
Yahoo, second relevant post ;)
KEEP THE GOOD WORK UP!! I REALLY LIKE IT!!!!
@ all offtopics:
Just shut the fuck up! Grow up! Get over it! Stop flaming!
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 24 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Testimonial):
Funny..isn't it..Pegasos betatester I and II boards have same data corruption problem..But now it's fixed in latest revisions of AmigaOne and Pegasos...
AmigaOne G4 XE has on board sound codec...
Yes only Pegasos have Firewire on board...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 25 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Peter Gordon):
I am willing to sent you some heart pills in case you get a coronary which I want not to take the responsibility for. I posted the BAD sideeffects of the AmigaONE board here. If you think I am wrong then I would be thankful if you have said it to me in a respective tone. Instead replying to me in a normal humanworthy tone you started to heavily verbally attack me and insulted me of the worst.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 26 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> Funny..isn't it..Pegasos betatester I and II boards have same data corruption
> problem..But now it's fixed in latest revisions of AmigaOne and Pegasos...
Yes you can call up Thendic and get the mobo replaced. AmigaONE still ships with the broken VIA.
> AmigaOne G4 XE has on board sound codec...
Yes I heard about that too. This announcement came out some hours ago on the AmigaONE yahoo mailinglist. While the Pegasos hardware is in endstadium already tested and fully correctly operating the Eyetech people still experiment with new changes. They are taking orders from customers already while the endhardware is not yet fully decided.
> Yes only Pegasos have Firewire on board...
Modem, Gameport etc.
Cheers!
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 27 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 27-Nov-2002 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (CoolIO):
Yep, OK, I apologise, and here is another relevant post:
Hey, that looks really nice! I'm quite impressed. I'm also curious, I didn't think Picasso96 supported two PIP windows on the same screen? Or is that just to do with the limitations of a specific graphics card.
Also, are the developer docs for tvcard.library publically available? I might be interested in writing a tv.library -> tvcard.library wrapper (and possibly one to go the other way)
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 28 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by PPCRulez on 27-Nov-2002 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Testimonial):
Hmm.. so you don't buy buggy hardware? Hmmm.. then I guess you probably don't have a computer at all. All hardware has bugs, that is just the way it is. There are no such thing as a totally bugfree complex chip design.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 29 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Yes..but buggy component isn't VIA..it's the articiaS chipset..I heard that...Yes Eyetech is replacing the boards,too...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 30 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
Btw..AmithlonTV is really cool...Well Done Guido!...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 31 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
No, thats the problem of half informations !
The VIA 82C686B is broken on it's own please Google for it!
The Articia issue was another one independant to the VIA one!
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 32 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by VMC Harald Frank on 27-Nov-2002 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (RedImpact):
Hello Redimpact,
your question about "will it run on A1" is interresting enough
to be put in our FAQ that we are currently making. Hopefully
tomorrow up and ready.
Maybe you will have tommorow some answer there for your question
that will give you all information that you want.
As i see it, it's not something of 5 words.. so just to much and
to important to be wasted as some lonley comment here :)
Best regards
VMC Harald Frank, Developer and Founder of Amithlon
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 33 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by VMC Harald Frank on 27-Nov-2002 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Peter Gordon):
Hello Peter,
if we had public developer information about these tv.library stuff
we already would made some wrapper code to allow use of existing
software on AmithlonTV.
Maybe we can do something soon on that, so please join our effort
and come into our Mailinglist to help us in whatever you can do.
I think with some help, we will be able to make fast and very good
progress on such software addons for all users benefit.
Best regards
VMC Harald Frank, Developer and Founder of Amithlon
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 34 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
all VIA reports are related to Intel or AMD motherboards...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 35 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 21:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Broken Chip is broken Chip. Example: If I take a broken cup from one Table to another one then it still stays broken until you replace the broken cup.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 36 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
I have a PC motherboard with VIA686b chipset..I used WinXP, Windows98, QNX and Linux on it..I had no problems..It's nearly 2 years old...
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 37 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 27-Nov-2002 21:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Testimonial):
A buggy VIA? It doesn't have to do with the ViA southbridge.
It's an Articia S bug. Eyetech claim to have fixed that, we'll see
that in practice.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 38 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 27-Nov-2002 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
I repeat, it's not bug in the ViA sb
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 39 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 27-Nov-2002 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
>Broken Chip is broken Chip. Example: If I take a broken cup from one Table to >another one then it still stays broken until you replace the broken cup.
My MSI built AMD board has a VIA 82C686B and it works fine with Windows XP/2K/98/ME and Linux Red Hat 7.3.
The board is currently loaded with
1. SoundBlaster Live 5.1.
2. 100/10BaseT Ethernet card.
3. Geforce 4 TI MyVIVO (records MPEG 2 at 640x480 in real time without droping the frame rates).
4. Promise Ultra100 RAID IDE.
5. 'etc'.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 40 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 27-Nov-2002 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
I have to agree that the comment doesn't belong to a thread about video cards
for Amithlon.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 41 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2002 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>I repeat, it's not bug in the ViA sb
Can you be held liable for that statement?
Afaik Windows/VIA drivers have released workaround
around VIA 686B bug, does AmigaOne/OS4?
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 42 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2002 22:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Testimonial):
Your comment has no relevance with the post.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 43 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2002 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Christophe Decanini):
ANd BTW answering to the OT post just make more OT. You are free to spawn a new post that I will move in the forum category. If you do so please do not insult other people.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 44 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 27-Nov-2002 22:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Testimonial):
> It does not have sound
Well, my X86 mobo has an integrated AC97 2.x chip but I still use a SoundBlaster Live 5.1 card.
> It does not have FIREWIRE
So? Is this a” must have feature” for home/small office use?
> It is a big Motherboard that consumes a lot of power and generates a lot of heat
Just equipped those A1s with “Pentium 4 Northwood” compliant ATX cases. I doubt A1’s cooling requirements would exceed a Pentium III compliant ATX cases.
Mainstream X86 world has dealt with this problem and has moved on. The issues you raised is trivial.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 45 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by ilwrath on 27-Nov-2002 23:18 GMT
So? Is this [firewire] a ”must have feature” for home/small office use?
Uhm... yeah, I'd say it is... Mainstream PCs have had it for over a year, and Macs have had it for over 3. There's quite a few IEEE1394 devices I wouldn't mind picking up. iPod, DV camera, portable external drives (granted, you can do these as SCSI, but not as cheaply, or easily... Just the thickness of a proper SCSI cable alone is larger than some of the Firewire drives...), plus who knows what else is in the works... I can't imagine buying any new machine without firewire, let alone a near $900USD one.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 46 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 28-Nov-2002 02:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (ilwrath):
Interesting.... none of the PC's I've actually seen people using has
Firewire, with the exception of Mac. These are current machines
as well. Most people don't/won't need it. If there is a possibility
you *might* need it, then you can simply add it on as a PCI card. Big
Deal.
Remember, most jackasses using their computers can't use it well at
all, let alone use Firewire on their DV camera for editing.
If Firewire is *the* reason to buy the Pegasos, I won't say what the
reason for *not* getting the Pegasos is. Most people know already,
anyway.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 47 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Nov-2002 02:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (NeRP):
Sorry, but what are you typing here ?
I recall some years ago where the whole community hyped for FIREWIRE support and now that it's available you gonna reject it. For me it doesn't matter if I ever use FIREWIRE components or not (I don't even use USB here). But there are a lot of reasons to NOT buy the AmigaOne. Please scroll up to read some facts. I am neither a Pegasos or AmigaOne fan, nor do I plan to buy one of these Systems really soon because of missing money but if I had to decide wether to go then I would go for the Pegasos System. I don't follow the License or the AmigaInc crap here, I follow what my brain and moneysack is telling me.
Advantages of Pegasos:
a) because of it's short size
b) because it uses a not broken VIA (I am not talking about the ArticiaS here it's a different chip)
c) it has onboard Sound out of the box (No need to go for some XE stuff)
d) firewire (I don't need it now but maybe one day)
e) gameport (I don't game but it's good to know that it's there)
f) the whole manufactured quality of the Board is impressive
g) it is far cheaper than the AmigaOne hardware
etc.
The whole Pegasos Motherboard in general has caught my full attention. I don't want to step close to you but I can't understand why people are going for obvious broken and not yet finished Hardware ? Sorry if I sound like a pro-Pegasos person now but I really don't get it.
If you go into the store then you will grab the closed bag chips instead the open one. If you go buying a *new* car then you take the not scratched one instead the one with scratches.
Now what do you get with the AmigaOne ? Only the AmigaInc label on it nothing more. If you go for the lower version of that Motherboard then you need *as you said* to plug a Soundcard on it. If you like Firewire you plug a FW card on it..... Now tell me how many slots will remain ?
Well I can tell you so much more but I think that I will hit against the wall with my true facts here. I wish that the people within this little Amiga World won't be so shortsighted and narrowminded. I really like to see the Amiga community stand close together and look forward to a good future. Unfortunately there are so many people outside that are so shortsighted they will even go and buy 10 days old Cowshit including the flys because AmigaInc has labeled Amiga on it.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 48 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 28-Nov-2002 04:17 GMT
User 80.130.14.170 (the one posting all the OT-bullshit) is "GALAXY", the guy who complained that his posts get censored a few days ago. He's just a troll, could you guys please ignore him?
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 49 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 28-Nov-2002 04:31 GMT
VIA southbridge aint broken, worked just fine in my previous PC.
AmithlonTV homepage online : Comment 50 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by ilwrath on 28-Nov-2002 04:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (NeRP):
> Remember, most jackasses using their computers can't use it well at
all, let alone use Firewire on their DV camera for editing.
And these are the people who would be interested in anything Amiga, why?
The AmigaOne is in an odd position now. It really is only appealing to former Amiga users, and maybe a few tinkerers... Ironically enough, though, this doesn't seem to be the market that's being catered to by the design.
I was simply noting this fact. I don't know enough about Pegasos to voice any opinion on it. (I didn't mean to infer any comparison there) I was aiming more at comparisons between the AmigaOne and the new Macs and PCs I've been looking at. Quite frankly, as much as I *WANT* to find an excuse to buy a new Amiga, I just can't find any reason to choose it over current hardware, let alone against what will be out in 6 months or whenever OS4 gets around to shipping. (If it does...)
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