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We're proud to present you the new AmithlonTV. For all those out there who never heard about AmithlonTV here is a small sumery: The original AmithlonTV was made by Michael Ulbrich in the beginning 2002. Due a lack of time I took over his project and started a complete new AmithlonTV in June 2002. In the beginnig of November the hardest part was done. Well, now at the end of November I came to a point, where I need more information about the cards out there. So here it is: The new AmithlonTV! We're proud to present you the new AmithlonTV. For all those out there who never heard about AmithlonTV here is a small sumery:

The original AmithlonTV was made by Michael Ulbrich in the beginning 2002. Due a lack of time I took over his project and started a complete new AmithlonTV in June 2002. In the beginnig of November the hardest part was done.

Well, now at the end of November I came to a point, where I need more information about the cards out there. So here it is: The new AmithlonTV!

I made AmithlonTV for you, so I need your help to support all the card out there. My personal card is already full supported! Your job, if you take em, is to test AmithlonTV with an TV card available and send me debug information. I need detailed information on the used card (Name, Vendor, internal and external connectors ...) and the used chips on the card. It's also required to send in the "AmithlonTV/Libs/TVCard_CardData/Autoconfig.card" file which will be created when running the tool TVCardSetup. When you 're able to use Windows it would be very helpful if you could start "btspy" to create a setup logfile, which is also available on the AmithlonTV homepage within the Support/Download section.

On the AmithlonTV homepage you can also find a hardware list containing all tested cards. With your help this list will grow rapidly within the next weeks. 99% of the listed cards should at least deliver a picture on all available video inputs.

There is also a new mailinglist "AmithlonTV" for AmithlonTV specific discussion available on our homepage.

AmithlonTV Homepage Link: AmithlonTV Homepage
AmithlonTV Mailinglist Link: AmithlonTV Mailinglist

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Posted by Björn Hagström on 28-Nov-2002 04:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Christoph Gutjahr):
Yeah.
The only way to stop trolls is to ignore them. Unfortunately there is always going to be some people who just can't ignore trolls.
/Björn
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Posted by Amon_Re on 28-Nov-2002 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Testimonial):
Troll bait...
1: I don't intend to use the onboard sound of neighter A1 or Peg
2: From all the people i know, none have reported the problem with dataloss
3: I don't need firewire
4: I know this one will run AOS4, i can't say the same for Pegasos
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Posted by Amon_Re on 28-Nov-2002 05:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
"Yes they get correct and necessary informations about the negative aspects of the AmigaOne, that they may never heard about."
One question, do you own an A1? If not, where do these "facts" come from?
BTW, lil hint, your posts are of no relevance to this tread & you are a plain silly lil troll :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Nov-2002 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
> Advantages of Pegasos:
> a) because of it's short size
Couldnt care less.
> b) because it uses a not broken VIA (I am not talking about the ArticiaS here it's a different chip)
Yeah right. A bug that doesnt do anything.
> c) it has onboard Sound out of the box (No need to go for some XE stuff)
Onboard sound is crappy. (I recommend SB Live.)
> d) firewire (I don't need it now but maybe one day)
I dont need it, too.
> e) gameport (I don't game but it's good to know that it's there)
So? (SB Live does have one.)
> f) the whole manufactured quality of the Board is impressive
Yeah right. How old are you?
> g) it is far cheaper than the AmigaOne hardware
... and less expensive too.
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Nov-2002 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (ilwrath):
Either you want a new Amiga with AmigaOS or you dont, theres not really more to it at this point.
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Posted by Crumb on 28-Nov-2002 08:30 GMT
nahhh Sound Blasters Audigy 1/2, Radeons AIW include Firewire, so I don't care if it's included in the motherboard or not... I don't plan to use it anyway. Firewire devices are expensive... and I'm not going to do video stuff (I don't have a video camera)
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Posted by Crumb on 28-Nov-2002 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Crumb):
ummm and if you want to use a joystick you can plug in a USB one...
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Posted by [JC] on 28-Nov-2002 09:18 GMT
To comment on the VIA 686B issue, there was a problem with this chip corrupting IDE data when used with BUGGY pci cards that do not fully conform to the PCI2.1 bus mastering spec. The Soundblaster Live! is one such card which seems to cause the problem the most (this card is shit anyway, the PureDigital SonicFury I now have is FAR superior)
A workaround consisting of a BIOS fix (which programs some different values into the hardware registers) has long been released by VIA and is probably part of thier product spec. I would expect AmigaONE to be using these fixed values. Furthermore, they may (and probably have) fixed the problem in a new mask revision of the chip.
As I understand it, the AGP limitation is more to do with the Arctica S than the AmigaONE... the Pegasos gets around it by having one less PCI device connected, I think.
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Posted by - GALAXY - on 28-Nov-2002 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Christoph Gutjahr):
> User 80.130.14.170 (the one posting all the OT-bullshit) is "GALAXY", the guy
> who complained that his posts get censored a few days ago. He's just a troll,
> could you guys please ignore him?
Yes right,
The guy with the IP 80.130.14.170 is me oGALAXYo. I never made a secret out of it since I posted at the same time on www.amiga-news.de with nearly the same content in an ON TOPIC thread. It was just a matter of time to discover this. But it was interesting to see how people react on something if you don't post some known nicks.
Again, my initial reply was meant for comment #1, where I was curious why people intend to go for the buggy AmigaONE. It should have stayed for this only comment since I care less for AmigaONE and the stupid faulty promises of AmigaINC. But no, some people are getting heavily agressive if their so holy piece of faked Hardware gets kissed on the ass.
Now to clean up some facts here (and please I want to have this message to be the last one typed here in this Thread). Oh jesus, I think people don't get it anyways!
First of all, the only mistake that I may need to listen to is the fact that my reply was more or less offtopic in this thread. But there wasn't any bad intentions from my side in first case since there are so many other OT replies in other threads that no one really gave a damn about.
Some people are EXPERTS in turning true facts into some total out of context crap like Mr. Christoph Gutjahr in #48. I didn't trolled nor did I complained that 'MY' posts got deleted. It was actually a complete different new thread where I was curious why the 'Elbox' thread got 26 Messages from various people deleted in one row (Twentysix Mails).
Going over to the next point. It's yet still entertaining to see how people are hyping the AmigaONE even if they get directed to known problems and issues that are known with other Hardware too and *YET STILL* they are changing the facts to suit their own little vision of a correct Amiga World.
Look what people here and on other Newspages are still replying a lot of speculations, a lot of rumours and a lot of fakes. Even here on this Thread some 'experts' are replying stuff which is badly untrue. It was told to them to google for the problems but still yet they are unable or not willing to find the proof outside because of their own little correct Amiga World that they don't want to pop like soap bubbles.
Fact is that we all agree with. The ArticiaS chip had a problem that got fixed. END. I never talked about the ArticiaS chip previously.
I was mostly refering why AmigaONE has that buggy VIA 82C686B on the board. You can read on all places what issues this VIA causes and I don't hide to speak about it. This VIA is *BROKEN* it is not the Soundblaster Live that is broken and caused all issues it's simply the VIA and nothing else but the VIA. You can try to turn the facts to whatever you like e.g. Softwarefixed, Hardware doesn't pull so much data, I use a PC and never had any issues... blah blah blah'. At the end it doesn't fix the BROKEN VIA. I don't sit here at home and wait until the AmigaONE will cause the error or not or listen to people that want to make me belive something else. I know (because I took the time to read about it) that this VIA is broken. This is reason for me to NOT buy HARDWARE with that CHIP. Sure, I can't proove that the AmigaONE will cause these problems but you can't proove either if it does not happen one day and for me this is highly insecure. It would have been nice from Eyetech if they would replace that CHIP with another one so even remaining worries of end customers could be nailed down.
Ok I think I cleared up my personal statement here. I don't like my name being turned into crap by some wannabe people. So far be it - If you still can't belive the true facts then I can't help you either!
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 28-Nov-2002 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (- GALAXY -):
Well, you obviously didn't do very much investigating... [JC] is right, i'm afraid.
http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=3&faq=1&Search=686
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Posted by - GALAXY - on 28-Nov-2002 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Peter Gordon):
quote heise newsticker (you may like to use babelfish to translate this)!
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jow-12.04.01-001/
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jow-20.04.01-000/
Das Testsystem im c't-Labor arbeitete stabil, nachdem die Soundblaster-Karte entfernt wurde und die MP3-Ausgabe über den Onboard-Sound lief. Allerdings verursacht anscheinend nicht die Soundkarte den Fehler, sondern generell die hohe Last auf dem PCI-Bus. Auch andere Karten (SCSI, TV, Netzwerk) könnten Lasten erzeugen, bei der die 686B-Southbridge ins Trudeln kommt.
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Posted by amigammc on 28-Nov-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (ilwrath):
Don't lose sleep over it. Firewire will come to the AmigaOne. Where there's a will there's a way.
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Posted by amigammc on 28-Nov-2002 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (ilwrath):
>I can't imagine buying any new machine without firewire,
I've been searching a good PC motherboard that I need for video editing and I've considered a lot of cards, and I've seen a lot of new cards that do not have firewire ports. I have FW external CD-RW and MiniDV camera so to me FW support is essential, but I recognize that other people (most?) don't care much about it. You might as well be asking for USB2.0 and soon there'll be the new FW standard. In any case, FW on AmigaOne will happen, on this you can be sure.
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Posted by amigammc on 28-Nov-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
>Advantages of Pegasos:
>a) because of it's short size
Short size per se is not an advantage. I haven't seen any MiniATX boards on the PC market when shopping for a new MoBo and don't tell me that new PC Mobo's are at a disadvantage compared to the Pegasos
>b) because it uses a not broken VIA (I am not talking about the ArticiaS
>here it's a different chip)
I'm not well updated about this but I strongly doubt that Eyetech would put in the market something malfunctioning
>c) it has onboard Sound out of the box (No need to go for some XE stuff)
Nobody goes for onboard souns except those people who buy a cheap Celeron PC at Walmart and have no clues about computers. A Soundblaster Live! is a great card and very cheap too.
Oh, guess what, the new PC MotherBoard I want to buy doesn't have onboard sound either and it's one of the best in the market (in its category of course).
>d) firewire (I don't need it now but maybe one day)
The one day you will have FW support. All it takes is writing drivers for one card (thing that can be easily taken care of)
>e) gameport (I don't game but it's good to know that it's there)
I haven't seen any joystick/controller that doesn't use USB (other than those on my XBOX)
f) the whole manufactured quality of the Board is impressive
This is not a fact, but a personal opinion. Stick to facts
g) it is far cheaper than the AmigaOne hardware
Not by much more.
>I can't understand why people are going for obvious broken and not yet
>finished Hardware ?
This is FUD and you know it. Sounds like you have no clue or a secret agenda (it's so trendy these days ;-) )
>Sorry if I sound like a pro-Pegasos person now but I really don't get it.
Oh ok, then go buy a PC board, it's much better than any Pegasos/AmigaOne
>Now what do you get with the AmigaOne ? Only the AmigaInc
>label on it nothing more.
You get AmigaOS4, which is an Amiga Operating System. THE real AmigaOS.
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Posted by Hammer on 28-Nov-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (- GALAXY -):
>quote heise newsticker (you may like to use babelfish to translate this)!
That source is not considered official compared to VIA Arena's FAQ.
In regards to http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jow-12.04.01-001/
My test motherboard MSI-6330 V3.x (aka K7T-R LD) with a V3.4 BIOS (additional support for faster Athlon XP CPUs).
Consist of
1. VT8363A North Bridge
2. VT82C686B South Bridge
Total package is known as the VIA KT133A chipset.
I have tested this board with V3.1 BIOS(original BIOS).
>The operators of outer-yes recommend, three bio its positions too?ndern: "PCI >Delay Transaction" and "PCI master READ Caching" should be switched off, >the "PCI Latency" should on 32 or smaller stand
(from babelfish)
My "PCI Delay Transaction" is ON,
1. encounted no problems when transferring 8GB worth of Mpeg2 between two Ultra100 IDE drives (using 80pin cable).
2. encounted no problems when transferring 4GB worth of Mpeg2 between DVD-ROM 16X speed and Ultra100 IDE drive.
3. The Promise Ultra100 IDE RAID chip is mapped into PCI bus.
I have tested on two sblive cards i.e.
1. "Value" edition(colored ports variant, with CT1297).
2. "5.1" edition (colored ports variant, with STAC9708/11)
(You may have problems with the older black ports SBlive variants).
The OS tested
1. Windows XP Pro (with and without SP1).
2. Windows 98 SE.
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Posted by Hammer on 28-Nov-2002 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (- GALAXY -):
>. You can try to turn the facts to whatever you like e.g. Softwarefixed,
> Hardware doesn't pull so much data, I use a PC and never had any issues...
> blah blah blah'. At the end it doesn't fix the BROKEN VIA.
You are just generalizing, since you didn’t specifically note down the specific masking or stepping. Software is the other half of the system btw.
> I don't sit here at home and wait until the AmigaONE will cause the error or > not or listen to people that want to make me belive something else. I know
> (because I took the time to read about it) that this VIA is broken.
What about _owning_ the actual VIA based board, not just reading about it?
> This is reason for me to NOT buy HARDWARE with that CHIP. Sure, I can't
> proove that the AmigaONE will cause these problems but you can't proove
> either if it does not happen one day and for me this is highly insecure.
> It would have been nice from Eyetech if they would replace that CHIP with
> another one so even remaining worries of end customers could be nailed down.
It would irresponsible for siad company who ships products with data corruption bug when a solution exists in the current market place.
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Posted by Hammer on 28-Nov-2002 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (ilwrath):
> Uhm... yeah, I'd say it is...
Does business fleet PCs need it? DTV(Desktop Top Video) is a niche market.
> Mainstream PCs have had it for over a year,
Not all of them btw...
1. refer to Intel D845GEBV2 (they went for 6 port USB 2.0 instead) as an example. http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv2/index.htm
2. Refer to Leadtek WinFast K7NCR18D (mid range nForce2 based chipset)
http://www.leadtek.com/motherboards/nforce2/k7ncr18d/k7ncr18d.htm
All of these X86 boards has USB 2.0, not IEEE 1394a Firewire. Which indicates that IEEE 1394a Firewire is just a added luxury compared to the USB standard.
>and Macs have had it for over 3.
Of course they do, but it didn’t change their fortunes when battling with X86 clones.
> There's quite a few IEEE1394 devices I wouldn't mind picking up. iPod,
iPOD???, yet another MP3 player(Yawn). I’ll rather have a MP3 650MB CD player instead.
> DV camera,
Get Firewire capable Video card or sound card.
> portable external drives (granted, you can do these as SCSI, but not as cheaply, or easily...
USB 2.0 devices can do that too.
> imagine buying any new machine without firewire, let alone a near $900USD
> one.
Not everyone runs on US dollar terms.
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Posted by Hammer on 28-Nov-2002 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
>Advantages of Pegasos:
>a) because of it's short size
Subjective advantages.
>b) because it uses a not broken VIA
Solutions exist for the fix.
>c) it has onboard Sound out of the box (No need to go for some XE stuff)
Refer to http://www.leadtek.com/mb.htm as an example.
A good vendor will give a wide range of boards to sell. Not one size fits all. This "giving a wide range of boards to sell" is a standard practice in the X86 world i.e. I do hope you have heard of "tailor made PC" marketing term (refer to DELL’s advertisements as an example).
>d) firewire (I don't need it now but maybe one day)
Not all of the latest nForce2 has firewire ports, unlike the USB standard.
>e) gameport (I don't game but it's good to know that it's there)
USB port.
>f) the whole manufactured quality of the Board is impressive
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