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Posted on 30-Nov-2002 13:06 GMT by catohagen52 comments
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After it was clear that neither Amiga Inc., nor Eyetech and Hyperion Entertainment will present the new AmigaOne at the AMIGA + RETRO COMPUTING 2002, we started thinking about how to get an AmigaOne to the show anyway.

Source : Amiga-news.de The solution is an offer from Computer City. Owner Ron van Herk provides his own AmigaOne, and the members of the Amiga-Club im BTX & Internet will do the presentation.

The computer on display is an AmigaOneSE-G3 with 750CXe 600 MHz CPU, equipped with 128 MB SDRAM PC133 and an ATI Radeion 7000 64 MB SDR VGA graphics card with TV-Out, and of course the Cherry Cybo@rd-keyboard that's being sold by Computer City. The operating system installed is only a Suse LinuxPPC 7.3, but it'll give an impression of the hardware.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 1 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Nov-2002 12:37 GMT
The OS4 is said to be released shortly and people are obviously allready buying it through pre-orders. It would surely be interesting to see it in action. Do you think that there is *any* chance at all that you could get a copy of that running on the A1? It must be in late beta stage at this time, close to its final compilation, and it would be very interesting to see how it manages to run Ibrowse, frogger and the other programs that crashes on MorphOS. Some people blame the crashes on MorphOS, and it would be very interesting to see an A1 with OS4 right besides a Pegasos with MorphOS, side by side running the same apps, with a "crash-o-meter" above them ...
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 2 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael on 30-Nov-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma
As both IBrowse and Frogger (your examples) crash also on normal Amigas running AmigaOS 3.x (not always but there are some bugs that could happen, particularly for frogger ;)) ) I'd not expect them running perfectly well on AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS.
I don't see why they'll have to run better, they got bugs so they will crash if this bugs are encountered when you use them.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 3 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 30-Nov-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
frogger only crashes at shows and public demostrations, so im sure it will crash
on OS4 too at shows and public demostrations.
mos betatesters say their system is rock stable at home and runs 24/7, so im sure
OS4 betatesters experiense the same rock solid system at home :)
Frogger is pretty stable on my system at home too...the wos version...
Ibrowse is stable too....on all amiga sites I visit.....sometimes when surfing
around in the rest of the world, it crashes sometimes, example, tomshardware.com
crashes or resets my machine when loading the page in Ibrowse...
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 4 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Nov-2002 13:34 GMT
Again it is up to the user groups to support Amiga at their own expense without any support from Amiga Inc. and/or its partners. Quite the contrast to the old days with Petro (or even Thendic's way of doing things) when user groups actually felt very supported.
Good luck and success to you guys doing this. I hope you get some substantial acknowledgement for your work from the people who benefit from it. Amiga Inc. is constantly asking for support from Amiga enthusiasts, but they seem to be very reluctant in supporting the users - as McEwen said, he considers small user group shows to be "fun" but not enough exposure.
Yeah, that is a big "thanks" to all the volunteers who have kept Amiga alive throughout the years and supported the current Amiga Inc. a lot too.
Actions speak louder than words, and so far Amiga Inc.'s support to users has been all talk, very little action. I remember Petro riding to town with huge boxes of promotional goodies and Thendic too supporting almost any and every user group event in the world. And then there are people like Fleecy who cancel more times than the others attend, or don't even answer emails etc.
Lack of resources is a convenient excuse, but not a very good one. It doesn't take huge effort to support these events with something, and certainly not always needing to fly there in person... But they just want the support from people without having to give anything in return.
Oh well. Sorry for the rant. Again, good luck to you user group guys doing this demo. I hope it goes well. Your support towards the Amiga community is appreciated. Thank you.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 5 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Nov-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
(no intention to troll.. I'm just quite bored to all this 'soon')
I think that this must/should issue is the very reason Hyperion and Eyetech dropped Aachen from their calendars. I can't be sure but I do assume they would be willing to show any working proto of OS4 if they had one.
This OS making is damn difficult and it's impossible to estimate all problems and delays you encounter on it especially if you have not done similar things before.
I just suggest to wait untill they have something to announce. It would best to all just cool down a little, wait untill something happens. Nervously trampling around ain't making waiting any shorter.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 6 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Nov-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mickael):
I know. That is (one of) my point. People have seen MorphOS crash and blame it on the OS itself instead of the buggy applications running on it. Of course you would experience the same crashes on other OS distributions as well.
But the main point of my post was that it would be really interesting to see how OS4 performs, since it's soon to be released. I think it's time to show it to the masses now, especially since people are actually buying it (unseen).
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 7 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Nov-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
" Actions speak louder than words, and so far Amiga Inc.'s support to users has been all talk, very little action. I remember Petro riding to town with huge boxes of promotional goodies and Thendic too supporting almost any and every user group event in the world. And then there are people like Fleecy who cancel more times than the others attend, or don't even answer emails etc. "
I agree fully. This all has happened here in Finland too.
Petro was active on coming to Saku happenings bringing all kinds of neat stuff along. No-one from AmigaInc has bothered to come to our meetings (Finland ain't market enough?). Thendic on the other hand has real positive attitude this year, they send TWO of their people to Oulu (at Sakus meeting) and working Pegasos system to be tested during that day.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 8 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by STRICQ on 30-Nov-2002 13:57 GMT
OS4 on the A1 is not due out until Q1 2003, as has already been announced.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 9 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 30-Nov-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (takemehomegrandma):
>I think it's time to show it to the masses now, especially since people are >actually buying it (unseen).
There was/is less information on morphos than OS4...mos screenshots removed from the
web, no mos featurelist, no list of hardware supported, no list of software
supplied....so you buy first and see later :)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 10 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael on 30-Nov-2002 14:21 GMT
For people who love crash tests ;) Just to show you that IBrowse is
buggy, go on this website with IBrowse 2.2 (and Javascript enabled):
http://www.macplus.org/magplus/
On my classic Amiga under AMigaOS 3.9 (so on yours this should happen
too) this doesn't stop openning windows until crash ;)
This prooves that IBrowse is also crashing under AmigaOS ;)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 11 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael on 30-Nov-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (STRICQ):
@STRICQ
Yes indeed, but as any other OS or software development there should
be beta versions before the public release version. For example you
can have, if you are an Apple ADC premium member, the betas of an OS X
release at least 6 months before the public release.
Additionally we've already seen MorphOS running on a Pegasos at
Cologne last year (November 2001) and the public release is for 7&8th
December at the Amiga+Retro show according to the announcement.
So why should we not see AmigaOS 4 beta on AmigaONE considering it
should be out in only 4 months and so normally there should
already have complete beta builds already running on the AmigaONE.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 12 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 30-Nov-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
"The OS4 is said to be released shortly and people are obviously allready buying it through pre-orders. It
would surely be interesting to see it in action. Do you think that there is *any* chance at all that you could
get a copy of that running on the A1? It must be in late beta stage at
this time, close to its final compilation,"
Said by who? The Hyperion team regularly say "when it's ready".
I have not heard that the integration of the emulator is done yet.
That was always going to be a tough job needing a lot of testing and
debugging.
Another demo of the kernel booting would not be exciting. Better to
wait until there is more to show.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 13 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 30-Nov-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
>Petro was active on coming to Saku happenings bringing all kinds
>of neat stuff along.
Funny how at the time so many people where busy criticizing Petro for bringing Amiga socks, matches, Cola, etc. People will criticize no matter what
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 14 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 30-Nov-2002 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mickael):
"So why should we not see AmigaOS 4 beta on AmigaONE considering it
should be out in only 4 months and so normally there should
already have complete beta builds already running on the AmigaONE. "
It's no good saying "should" and "should".
If there was anything like a "complete beta" it would be announced in
big letters all over the place. Every stage of progress so far has
been announced.
The next announcement is likely to be when the emulator is working as
part of the OS. Nobody knows when that will be. I guess in a few
weeks.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 15 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 30-Nov-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (amigammc):
Well at that time they didn't think it can become even worse.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 16 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 30-Nov-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (amigammc):
Then again, Petro wasn't well like by his office politics either. But I shouldn't be dwelling on history. I guess it doesn't matter since apart of the "Amiga" fleet will be there demoing the base OS that DE will be eventually running on, MOS. =)
Dammy
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 17 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Mickael on 30-Nov-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
@DOn Cox
I'm saying that because they (cf Amiga.com) announced that the launch
of AmigaOS 4 on AMigaOne is for the CeBit 2003 (so in march) and I
just compare to all the other OS in the computer market by saying that
at this time frame (only few month before the launch), there were
already complete beta builds for all the other OSes on the computer
market.
That's why i'd have found logical that there is also a compelte beta
build running on AmigaOne today.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 18 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 30-Nov-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Mickael):
I think you are misunderstanding the word "launch".
When a ship is launched, that doesn't mean it is ready for a passenger
cruise immediately. There is a long period of fitting out first.
Launching a product means starting to talk about it publically, giving
a presentation of what it will do, getting editorial coverage, etc. It
doesn't mean you can buy a finished retail version on that day.
I expect they are hoping to have a demonstratable beta by the time of
CeBit. They might also decide for marketing reasons to sell it while
still in beta, as has been done with MorphOS.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 19 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 30-Nov-2002 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (amigammc):
>Funny how at the time so many people where busy criticizing Petro for
>bringing Amiga socks, matches, Cola, etc. People will criticize no matter what
That was not the case in our events here in Finland. Petro was really loved by the visitors, and his promotional goodies were very much appreciated. You should have seen the people. They were smiling like never before. Petro was one of the reasons running an Amiga user group used to be so much fun. This year Thendic gave a glimpse of that as well...
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 20 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 30-Nov-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Don Cox):
@Don
You are right about the word "launch."
We appreciated your post on morphos-public@morphos.de today too.
Thanks and best regards,
R&B
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 21 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Nov-2002 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Don Cox):
> I expect they are hoping to have a demonstratable beta by the time of
CeBit.
Ah! I really thought they were closer to release than that. So when do you think that the people now ordering their A1's can start to use them as Amigas? By the summer 2003 (which allows only about 3 months of betatesting)? The *next* christmas?
As someone pointed out, MorphOS was shown running on a Pegasos at Cologne one year ago (November 2001). Now, one year later, it's going to be released as a first final version. If the same goes for OS4, that will mean an end user release in spring 2004. But of course, hyperion hasn't rewritten the entire OS. Some parts of it won't even be ported to PPC, so things might go faster for them!
The above is of course pure speculation. But it *will* take some time to get everything working *correctly* once they have got it running on the new hardware. I think that the summer 2003 won't give them enough time. And I *can not* understand how they can sell computer systems to customers without telling them when they will be able to use them the way it's supposed (as Amigas). The answer "when it's ready" isn't good enough in a live situation!
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 22 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 30-Nov-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (takemehomegrandma):
"The answer "when it's ready" isn't good enough in a live situation!"
But it's the only one that is true, unless you want "Before it's
ready."
It is the same as asking in a war "When will the war be over?" There
are too many unknowns.
Nobody is being deliberately slow. I'm certain the Hyperion team want
to see a "finished beta" as much as everyone else.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 23 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Nov-2002 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Don Cox):
> But it's the only one that is true, unless you want "Before it's
> ready."
Well, duh!! ;-)
> It is the same as asking in a war "When will the war be over?" There
> are too many unknowns.
This isn't a war, it's a project. Projects usually have goals, and milestones along the way. Of course there could be certain "unknowns" and surprizes, but I find it hard to believe that there really are *that* many unknowns at this time (when they actually are selling the product).
> Nobody is being deliberately slow. I'm certain the Hyperion team want
> to see a "finished beta" as much as everyone else.
Of course. But still, they are selling the product *now* (I consider OS4 and A1 to be two components of *one* product). If they can't tell their customers when they can start to use their "new Amigas" as "Amigas", then they shouldn't be selling the product at this time IMHO.
But perhaps it's true what they (McEwen, Hermans, Redhouse) said in November 20: "AmigaOS4.0 in its final stages of development and testing". Perhaps it is a final, fully betatested, version of OS4 that is to be released in spring 2003? Who knows? Certainly not their customers ...
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 24 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by ObiWan on 30-Nov-2002 17:51 GMT
Patience...the Force is quite strong with AOS 4.0! ;)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 25 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Nov-2002 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (ObiWan):
Willing to bet money to it? I have this slightly used but still Valid PartyPack including AmigaIncs Official Coupon.. I'll let you have it for 80 Euros+posting. If you belive them you'll win 20 euros as AmigaInc promiced to give 100 rebate against it. And you'll get AmigaDE SDK ad a free bonus ... Great deal isn't it?
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 26 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Nov-2002 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (JoannaK):
DE<>AOS4 :)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 27 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Nov-2002 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (JoannaK):
...and maybe I already got one. (or maybe not!) ;)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 28 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Nov-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Read here:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/amigadepartypack.shtml
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 29 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Nov-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (JoannaK):
Why care? it's dead already.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 30 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by ObiWan on 30-Nov-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (JoannaK):
"Don't give in a hate" Says ObiWan...I guess?
Sorry couldn't resist but I hope they'll find solution for your loud problem!
Cheers!!! :-P
OWK
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 31 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 30-Nov-2002 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (catohagen):
I find adding the IBrowse2.2_Patch.lha
And changing the Preferences,General,Default stack size to 131072
Makes it more stable & i can visit sites that would crash it before.
Oh & Make sure you have the latest MUI libs.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 32 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 30-Nov-2002 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (catohagen):
I just now went to tomshardware.com to see if i would nuke.
No Problem at all, even with JavaScript turned on.
BTW im useing IB2.2 just incase others are useing 2.1
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 33 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 01-Dec-2002 02:35 GMT
Puttin' on my thinking cap, I predict there won't be a useable "for the masses" OS/4 release for another five to eight months for the A1. If/when it goes past eight months, I think the whole project will fold and there will be a little tiny (500? 1000? users) bunch of Pegasos/Morph-OS users and a few thousand Linux-on-MAI-motherboard users, with "Amiga,Inc" doing their little Java-type applets for MS powered cellphones.
Grim? You bet. Likely? Uh-huh.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 34 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 01-Dec-2002 04:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Some Farker):
Even if there was only a 20% chance of that happening, why would anybody buy an A1 now? I mean even if AOS4 does materialize, by the time it does components will be cheaper plus more and better options will likely become available.
I really don't understand these people. I've used Linux/PPC, it's not worth anything. It's buggier and runs less software than Linux/x86.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 35 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Sjoerd on 01-Dec-2002 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (JoannaK):
It is unbelieveble people stil trust AmigaInc.
====
AmigaOne PPC /1200 - On Schedule and Rockin'
AmigaOS 4.0, and shortly thereafter AmigaOS 4.2 on schedule for release Summer of '01 and will offer the next generation of Amiga desktop - on PPC!
====
now it is dec ´02
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 36 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 01-Dec-2002 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (takemehomegrandma):
>This isn't a war, it's a project. Projects usually have goals, and milestones >along the way. Of course there could be certain "unknowns" and surprizes, but >I find it hard to believe that there really are *that* many unknowns at this >time (when they actually are selling the product).
It doesn't sound like you have much experience in software development.
Windows 2000 slipped it's schedule by about one and a half years. That included shedding a load of features that have either been completely forgotton or have now shown up some years later in Windows XP.
Microsoft don't have much of a problem with money, but Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech do. Personally I think the coupons that Amiga sold a year or so ago were a crap idea, but at least the motherboards are available now with Linux. It is basically giving them a foot in the door, if you buy an AmigaOne now then you won't buy a MorphOS machine next week.
>Of course. But still, they are selling the product *now* (I consider OS4 and >A1 to be two components of *one* product). If they can't tell their customers >when they can start to use their "new Amigas" as "Amigas", then they >shouldn't be selling the product at this time IMHO.
You don't have to buy it, but I don't like you saying what other people are allowed to buy. They were always going to sell a Linux version of this board that can't run AmigaOS, the only difference is that you can currently buy a Linux system with the ability to run AmigaOS in the future.
>But perhaps it's true what they (McEwen, Hermans, Redhouse) said in November >20: "AmigaOS4.0 in its final stages of development and testing". Perhaps it >is a final, fully betatested, version of OS4 that is to be released in spring >2003? Who knows? Certainly not their customers ...
I doubt it's that well tested right now, people aren't going to let it be.
It might not be full of bugs, as the majority of bugs come out of a bad design or lack of programming style. If you are good then it's possible to write software without any show stopping bugs. However it's also possible that on the day that the software is to be sent out to master, that a really bad bug is found that has been unnoticed so far that means you have to go away for a couple of weeks.
Kickstart 1.0/1.1 was so bad they had to software load it as there were so many bugs. Kickstart 1.2/1.3 were better, but if you read the Kickstart 2.04 release notes you'll realise just how bad they really were. From then, up until Kickstart 3.1, they had minor problems but even some of those have gone unfixed for years.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 37 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Sjoerd on 01-Dec-2002 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Sjoerd):
And yes I did buy then the Party Pack :-) Fool as I was just $100,- down the drain, I do not expect from them that I can use this coupon. Just sold my A4000T with CSPPC so can´t use it for that if OS4 does come availeble.
And the AmigaOne SE (XE) I wait and wait, the Pegasos I wait and wait, but I can pick it up on 8 december. But no OS4 for this board when I read the OS4 yahoo group.
And you see AInc let us down again, by not showing them selfs in Aachen, the first what they must do is to have the today users of AmigaOS to go to OS4 and AmigaOne. But as told they ignoring us
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 38 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Dec-2002 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Sjoerd):
I put this sales announcement so I could see if there is even ONE individual that still had belif to AmigaInc ... So far, no-one has announced their willingness to be part of this great party.
Ok.. To make things easier... I'll drop my asking price to 70Euros (+posting) and I have added my E-mail address so those who want to may send E-mail offers.
And, no Hatemails please. I'm just trying to find out if there is anyone with real trust left.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 39 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Dec-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Sjoerd):
Waiting for OS4 has been long indeed and it's still not close to be finished (what I can see of publicly known info). I have this ugly feeling that two years ain't going to be enough to get OS4 out in (more or less) buggless form.
Having MOS in mean time might not be all bad alternative. At least you don't have to use Linux for year or so. :)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 40 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 01-Dec-2002 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (JoannaK):
I'd rather use linux. Thanks.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 41 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 01-Dec-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (strobe):
@strobe, who says "I've used Linux/PPC, it's not worth anything. It's buggier and runs less software than Linux/x86."
What are you talking about here? Precompiled software/games, or commercial apps?
I don't play games and I have no need for commercial apps, as I trust the opensource applications more.
As long as it's opensource, there's no problems (unless the software has a crackhead for coder)
I'm currently using linux on a number of platforms(sparc, ultrasparc, pa-risc, mips and vax) and I haven't felt that they run 'less software' than any other platform. Opensource offers almost too much options these days.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 42 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2002 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (JoannaK):
" I put this sales announcement so I could see if there is even ONE individual that still had belif to AmigaInc ... So far, no-one has announced their willingness to be part of this great party. "
I think many people still believe...but paying to *you* isn't the way of showing it! If you think it's worthless, just give it away for free! :(
If those OS developers are so sure about releasing OS4 quite soon, just give them bit more time...Crying out (and bitching) LOUD won't solve problems!
What comes to AInc. 'fancy' coupon deal, we'll see, maybe Hyperion and Eyetech won't have to pay licensing costs to benefit those coupon owners or something like that?
There has been lot's of work and Hyperion has worked only ~1 year with OS4, but they have made use of existing OS3.x code so we *do* have a hope getting new OS very soon! :)
These delays are VERY typical in computer industry, so stay cool!
On the other hand I could use MOS with A1, but I don't mind using nice & stable Linux too! :)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 43 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 01-Dec-2002 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Phill):
>> Of course. But still, they are selling the product *now* (I consider OS4 and
>> A1 to be two components of *one* product). If they can't tell their customers
>> when they can start to use their "new Amigas" as "Amigas", then they
>> shouldn't be selling the product at this time IMHO.
> You don't have to buy it,
I propably won't buy it. I have not the *slightest* interest in the A1 hardware, and I have no interest in OS4 since it will obviously be released only as OEM for the A1, which I again have very little interest in.
> but I don't like you saying what other people are allowed to buy.
I have *never* told other people what they "are allowed" to buy! Please read again!
My posts above is about AmigaInc, Hyperion and Eyetech *selling* a product *now* that will be released (?) sometime in the future. They are selling it *now*, without even showing it in public first. The people buying this product now doesn't know when they can start using it (as an Amiga). My point is that I think it's strange that they are selling the product at a point where it's not even showable in public. Of course people "are allowed" to buy it, and the above mentioned companies are propably even allowed to sell it, but I sincerely question the ethics in doing that.
> They were always going to sell a Linux version of this board that can't run
> AmigaOS, the only difference is that you can currently buy a Linux system
> with the ability to run AmigaOS in the future.
I know that the MAI boards are available for Linux users, but the *Amiga One* as a product is made of two components; a MAI mobo with an OS4 dongle, and the OS4 itself. Those two components (together with an "Amiga" label) forms the product "Amiga One". They are selling that product *now*, and now is not the future. But you can't use the product now. In fact, you can't even see a working version of it at this time!
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 44 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 01-Dec-2002 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (takemehomegrandma):
You are saying that they shouldn't be selling it. That's the point he
is trying to make. Who are you to say what they can and cannot sell?
Especially when people like me *want* them to release the hardware
first.
Sure, it might make you happy if they don't release a board that you
aren't going to buy and have no interest in until the release of OSv4,
but it certainly doesn't work the same way for me.
If you have no interest, and no agenda, then why are you posting on
here about this?
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 45 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 01-Dec-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (NeRP):
> You are saying that they shouldn't be selling it.
Yes, IMHO. They are selling a product purchased by customers 'in blanco'. They haven't even showed it in public, and still they think it's ethical to sell it to customers.
> That's the point he is trying to make.
He claimed that I tried to tell people what products they *were allowed* to buy. But that is not true. If people still (after living through all those years of broken pre order promises) wants to pay good money for promises, then fine! It's up to them. I don't care!
> Who are you to say what they can and cannot sell?
I am not dictating what they *can* or *can not* sell. I am only expressing my oppinion that it *is not ethical* to sell a product to consumers that is not even ready to be shown in public. The people buying these product *at this time* doesn't know what they will get, or when (if ever) they will get it. I think they should have waited to sell the Amiga One till it at least is in a stage where OS4 *is publically proven* to run on the A1 hardware (bugs or not, it doesn't matter at that point).
> Especially when people like me *want* them to release the hardware first.
The hardware is the same as the Linux version, except for the firmware/dongle. I don't mind if they sell the MAI boards to Linux customers, but the *Amiga One* is not even in a beta stage at this point. In fact, the Amiga One *doesn't exist* at this point!
> If you have no interest,
I have been interested in the Amiga platform since the very beginning!
> and no agenda,
Ahem, please read my posts above!
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 46 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Dec-2002 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
> " I put this sales announcement so I could see if there is even ONE individual
> that still had belif to AmigaInc ... So far, no-one has announced their
>willingness to be part of this great party. "
> I think many people still believe...but paying to *you* isn't the way of
> showing it! If you think it's worthless, just give it away for free! :(
Are you hoping me to Warez it to you? Nah.. You have to purchase it to get it. To be part of Real Supporters Club :)
> If those OS developers are so sure about releasing OS4 quite soon, just give
> them bit more time...Crying out (and bitching) LOUD won't solve problems!
Well... at least you know more about real happenings cause people like me keeps on askin.. About Time; they are having all the time in the world, as long as they don't expect potential customers been waiting forever.
> What comes to AInc. 'fancy' coupon deal, we'll see, maybe Hyperion and
> Eyetech won't have to pay licensing costs to benefit those coupon owners
> or something like that?
I have seen this same idea on Saku discussion board or Finnish Irc channel.. And it was as crazy then as it is now. As a matter of fact you sound quite familiar, even though being anonyme here :)
> There has been lot's of work and Hyperion has worked only ~1 year with OS4,
> but they have made use of existing OS3.x code so we *do* have a hope getting
> new OS very soon! :)
Ah.. Daydreamer. Seen these before. Some day you'll wake up with realyty collapsing around you.
> These delays are VERY typical in computer industry, so stay cool!
So are cancellations when projects don't keep on estimated time and budget shedules. How long do you belive Hyperion and Eyetech being able to carry on like this? Weeks, months, years? Each day, each week they lose support, lose clients and lose face.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 47 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 02-Dec-2002 00:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (JoannaK):
JoannaK, maybe you could put your Party Pack CD and coupon on eBay?
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 48 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 02-Dec-2002 01:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Daniel Miller):
Heh, that would be an amusing experiment. He should put it on eBay for $70 or €70 and keep it there until somebody buys. Maybe Amiga inc. will buy it back just to avoid the bad publicity.
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 49 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 02-Dec-2002 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Daniel Miller):
Well.. it's one alternative.. and might even work OK. Anyhow I decided to start from here and Amigadev.net though. :)
AmigaOne @ Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 : Comment 50 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 02-Dec-2002 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (strobe):
He?
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