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[News] "Berniethlon" - The EndANN.lu
Posted on 01-Dec-2002 18:46 GMT by Gareth Knight (Edited on 2002-12-01 21:44:11 GMT by Christian Kemp)221 comments
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"It saddens me greatly to announce that, effective today, any of my Amiga-related software development has been mothballed indefinitely. This means that, pending any unexpected developments, there won't be any "Amithlon v2" (aka "Berniethlon"), nor any further support or add ons for "Amithlon v1" by me."
Read more at the Amithlon site

"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 1 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Darren Eveland on 01-Dec-2002 17:59 GMT
I'm very sorry that the mediation did not work. Amithlon is an amazing product and it sickens me that it dies because of legal problems. It seems that you did your best to continue it!
regards,
Darren
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 2 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 01-Dec-2002 18:13 GMT
Well, what's to say but:
F U C K !
:'(
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 3 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 01-Dec-2002 18:16 GMT
Hi, I was never a big friend of Amithlon but I respected the work of Bernie Meyer. Good Luck for the future.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 4 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:16 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You bastards! You killed Amithlon!!!!
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 5 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 01-Dec-2002 18:20 GMT
"The Product Formally Know as Amithlo*:
As mentioned before Bernie Meyers has a wonderful product, and we expected it to be out by now. However there have been a couple of delays, none of these are engineering driven, that has delayed the release. I can tell you that the new product will be out very soon, and will offer some new requested features, and from what I understand is really going to knock your socks off. We will have an update concerning the timing of this release and the new name very shortly. So contrary to what you may have heard, it will be available soon."
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/090502-mcewen.shtml
...
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 6 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 01-Dec-2002 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Piru):
In Bill M's defense, there have been a number of occasions where it seemed sooooo close to being able to go. While he might have been somewhat optimistic, don't blame him for having been proven wrong by events --- there was no way for him to know it would come to this.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 7 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 01-Dec-2002 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bernd Meyer):
It shouldn't of been posted on amiga.com, if they weren't sure, for that McEwen can surely be blamed. That's what annoys me most about them, they keep making premature announcements that fall through, over and over again, I wish they would just shut up, and surprise us with a product release, instead of 100 announcements that prove out to be false/failures.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 8 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Darren Eveland on 01-Dec-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bernd Meyer):
Bernie, can you tell us what exactly happened? I understand Picasso 96 was not
the issue as to why this mediation fell through.
I still don't see why you just couldn't have removed all disputed code and then
started from scratch (based on YOUR original code)? You had a license from Amiga Inc... At that point the new Berniethlon would have nothing to do with Amithlon.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 9 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Hodges on 01-Dec-2002 18:37 GMT
This seems all so sad to me. And it also makes me angry.
 
I really think we should set up a fond or donation box for Bernie. After he has spent to much time and efforts and even risked his health and sanity at the terror (and I know of what he's speaking) of HF & H&P to bring his product to you, I think it is fair to give something back, and maybe, if it's enough, he could still come over to Germany as planned and make his other dreams and aims, which he had neglected too much, come true.
Thank you Bernie! Good luck for your future.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 10 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (MIKE):
Wasn't Bills fault. I'd rather have him announce it.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 11 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 01-Dec-2002 18:40 GMT
Open source it, then H&P will get no revenue when there are 0 sales of v1.
If you can't win, screw'em.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 12 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:44 GMT
Oh man this really F$$
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 14 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
(last message)
woa, that was wierd
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 13 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
(last message)
woa, that was wierd
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 15 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2002 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (T_Bone):
>woa, that was wierd
World Of Amiga, this is wierd indeed, indeed...
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 16 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2002 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mike):
Why releasing it opensource again ? Amithlon == Linux Kernel + UAE and UAE is opensource already. Everyone knows that Amithlon is based on stolen UAE code where some Amithlon zealots claimed that they got all rights and permission to use the code. Therefore Amithlon should not become closedsource in first case. Even after asking Bernie to hand out the code (as written by the GPL) he refused doing this because he claimed that all the code was his own.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 17 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
lol, I meant the characters I used that broke my message into a second post that was untraceable :)
Anonymous (Unknown IP)
found a bug!
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 18 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2002 18:58 GMT
H&P are a bunch of bas££££s, no more cash from me going there way.
I suggest everyone else with half a conscience does the same.
H&P die a really bad sloooooow death!
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 19 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Oh, bullshit. the code is released you vulture.
You know what? The Amiga is DEAD because people are too STUPID to go after the right people in these situations. For crying out loud Elbox released drivers with trojans in them, and who do some go after? Chris Hodges!!! un freaking believable. The stupidity is just beyond belief.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 20 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 01-Dec-2002 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (T_Bone):
Somehow I got the feeling you just replied to SG the csaa-clown, who is completly incompetent
to read the GPL, and to understand that only the orginal UAE-authors would have the right to
decide if Bernie can use their work for a non-GPL-project or not. AFAIK noone of those ever
complained.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 21 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 01-Dec-2002 19:16 GMT
A sad day indeed. No more money from me into H&P's pocket, that's for sure.
/Björn
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 22 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 01-Dec-2002 19:20 GMT
This is too stupid, once again amiga developers gets cheated for money and their product .... sad
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 23 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 01-Dec-2002 19:26 GMT
:(
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 24 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Kal-L on 01-Dec-2002 19:29 GMT
As Chris mentionned, it would be a good idea to create a special fund for Bernie. He hoped to used the icome of the sale of Amithlon to come in Europe with his wife, I'd like to help him in this way. If someone can set up a Paypal (or similar) account to be then given to Bernie, this would be cool.
Fed up of all this bullshit in the Amiga World.
"Sur Amiga, il faut toujours que l'on tire sur l'ambulance", this french sentence sums up what is the Amiga life.
--
Mehdi
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 25 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Kal-L):
I'm game. Bernd, your going on that trip.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 26 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 01-Dec-2002 19:51 GMT
While I have never been an Amithlon supporter I find all this story really sad.
I hope Bernie will find out a way to have a decent job and if possible to use his Amiga/coding knowledge.
It is a pity that there is so much energy spended in the Amiga autodestruction.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 27 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Ed Dana on 01-Dec-2002 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bernd Meyer):
======================================================================
In Bill M's defense, there have been a number of occasions where it
seemed sooooo close to being able to go. While he might have been
somewhat optimistic, don't blame him for having been proven wrong by
events --- there was no way for him to know it would come to this.
======================================================================
Maybe so, Bernie, but Bill is still captain of this ship and he's still letting it flounder.
Truly sorry to hear this. Your product was the best chance to keep amiga afloat.
Regards,
Ed.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 28 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 01-Dec-2002 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kronos):
> who is completly incompetent to read the GPL, and to understand that only
> the orginal UAE-authors would have the right to decide if Bernie can use their
> work for a non-GPL-project or not.
... like you ?
Sorry to interrupt you here but as soon as other people get involved and supply code to the initial project then these people need to get asked too. You can read this in the GPL FAQ.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 29 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 01-Dec-2002 20:04 GMT
I hope that everything will calm down in the future and that Bernie Meyer will get happy again in his doings. I think a little break won't hurt at all. It will clear the mind and refresh the powers for new tasks. Maybe next year Bernie and as well others too will calm a bit down due the new hardware.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 30 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by José on 01-Dec-2002 20:05 GMT
I'd like to say too, that despite not being a fan of Amithlon, respect goes to the author of it, it must be really frustrating after all this work.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 31 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 01-Dec-2002 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (- GALAXY -):
Yes I do know that, and if you ever read the Amithlon-FAQ that was on amithlon.net you would
also know that Bernie contacted every single contributor to parts he wanted to use. If he
couldn't reach an agreement he replaced that functionality with his own code, and that is
why no UAE-developer ever complained.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 32 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 01-Dec-2002 20:11 GMT
This email was sent to softhut.com
It is in defense of a man called Bernie and his product Amithlon.
Distributer everywhere are selling this product, knowing what the situation is about this product.
It must be stopped now.
I declare a ban on all distributors who continue to sell the following products.
The email is as follows...
Let it be known starting December 5th, 2002.
If you do not stop distributing a product called Amithlon or AmigaXL, I will never darken your door again as a customer.
AmigaOne and Amiga OS4 will soon be out, and I will be looking for someone to buy this product from.
If you do not stop distribution of Amithlon and AmigaXL, you will never again receive my services as a customer.
You have been served.
Brad Ray
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 33 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Brad Ray):
I will be watching as well.
In the past year, I have purchased 3.1 roms, AmigaOS 3.9, a highway, and a Norway from Softhut.
I am planning on purchasing a Pegasos, an AmigaOne, and two CatWeasel MK3's in the next few months. I *Will Not* purchase these from Softhut or any other merchant that continues to illegally distribute Bernd's work.
I advise everyone to police the merchants, and avoid any merchants that contribute to the destruction of the Amiga community. it's sink or swim time.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 34 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 01-Dec-2002 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (T_Bone):
Just did a quick search for "Amithlon" and "AmigaOSXL" on both KDH and Vesalia.
Found nothing on KDH.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 35 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Manou on 01-Dec-2002 20:26 GMT
I'm sorry for Amithlon, though I never usd it as I do
have 8 AMIGAs to work with.
Bernie good luck for the future and have a nice XMAS with your
girlfriend
H&P are like most companies: just making money out of everything and
everyone and never looking after the consumer!!!
I am still waiting for a btter ArtEffect version or Amigawriter.
I know the Amiga market is not the big business market, but how is it
that free programs like OpenOffice can be programmed and even work
much better than MS Office and one can't write an AmigaText Prog thats
working a little bit better than any Wordprocessor we have?
H&P remembers me the way Phase 5 sold their products:
taking the money and NO support! Nor for the customer or the
programmers!!!
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 36 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 01-Dec-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Kronos):
Hi Kronos, I was refering to GPL projects and how the GPL affects things in general. I care less for Amithlon so I'm not interested to research deeper into it. But now that you mentioned the Amithlon FAQ - yes, I read that one and nothing can confirm that what's written there is true.
Can you please confirm that Bernie has asked everyone as written in the FAQ ?
I'm interested to see a signed list of Names of valid UAE contributors and their rights as author denied in favour or Amithlon to exists as commercial product.
I'm also interested in the part of the GPL (since you show up as a big GPL expert) where you can confirm what you said.
I assume that the reason why no one ever complained, is that people probably don't know about it or care less because of the confusing situation related of Amithlon and it's legal status. I bet if someone cares enough to find out the status of it, then things may look different. My word on that.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 37 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by kevin orme on 01-Dec-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Brad Ray):
It is worth pointing out that if dealers like Software Hut and Compuquick still have inventory to sell, it's a wee bit presumptuous to put a stake through their heart for trying to close out their inventory, I think.
For example, if SH or CQ had 10 more Amithlon disks, aren't they entitled to sell them? Why should they have to bear the brunt of H&P/HF vs. BM? They are only trying to survive in an increasingly hostile (and ever smaller) Amiga market.
If you don't want to buy anything more from either one, fine, but I don't think it's fair to hold them accountable for H&P/HF vs. BM bad blood/litigation. It's not like SH, CQ and dealers like them are preaching on behalf of either side, for pete's sake.
By reading your letter, SH/CQ should immediately *give* all their inventory away that they may/may not have, on the hopes that you *might* buy something from them in the future (not guaranteed)? That's no way to run a business. They weren't the ones who treated BM shabbily, why should they pay the price - are you going now to not buy OS4 because Amiga Inc. may have dropped the ball in dealing with the situation, thus penalizing Hyperion too, who didn't have anything to do with it?
It just isn't that cut and dried, unfortunately, and we aren't going to know the *entire* truth, most likely ever. While it sounds to me like BM definitely got the short end of the stick, and I was waiting anxiously for the new Amithlon v2 just like everyone else, the complete truth will forever evade us. No easy solution but starting a crusade to try to kill off what remaining Amiga dealers are left doesn't seem like much of a solution to me.
kevin orme
amiga university
www.amigau.com
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 38 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Patrick on 01-Dec-2002 20:35 GMT
When Amithon first came out, I demo'd it for our user group... Almost everyone in the group went out then and bought it...
What a great program... !!
I say don't back down Bernie.... Don't give up... Keep on and get more power on your side...
This may NOT be the end.....
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 39 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 01-Dec-2002 20:36 GMT
I have also just sent a letter to Haage and Partner telling them the same.
If they do not stop distributing Amithlon and AmigaXL, they will not be considered a serious Amiga company.
And they will no longer receive any of my buisness as a customer.
December the 5th is the deadline.
Amiga Inc. is too busy to deal with this, and that is surely understood.
They have a lot of work to do to get us AmigaOS4 and AmigaOne.
They also do not have the financial background for any lawsuits or the such.
Let's help Amiga Inc. and Bernie with our pocketbooks.
It's up to us people, and we need to act NOW!!!
Stop buying from distributers that are selling or distributing Amithlon or AmigaXL.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 40 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (- GALAXY -):
> I assume that the reason why no one ever complained, is that people probably
> don't know about it or care less because of the confusing situation related
> of Amithlon and it's legal status. I bet if someone cares enough to find out
> the status of it, then things may look different. My word on that.
Give it a rest already. If you want to stir up dust, do your own legwork.
If you want to do something "productive" how about putting some of that troublemaking ambition towards someone that deserves it? there's no shortage of worthwhile targets lately.
The people involved in UAE are easily enough contacted.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 41 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 01-Dec-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (- GALAXY -):
Ah, the worthless opinions of the GALAXY troll again. :(
> Can you please confirm that Bernie has asked everyone as written in the FAQ ?
Can you please name one person whose code was used and who was not asked?
> I'm interested to see a signed list of Names of valid UAE contributors and
> their rights as author denied in favour or Amithlon to exists as commercial
> product.
Cool, then go and ask those authors. Any deal reached between Bernie and those authors is a private one and there is no reason why anyone should disclose it to the likes of you.
If one of the authors claims his permission was not asked, and shows proof that his code was indeed used, then you can come back to us. Until then, take your empty accusations elsewhere.
> I'm also interested in the part of the GPL (since you show up as a big
> GPL expert) where you can confirm what you said.
There is no part of the GPL that gives a contributing author any rights over the work done by another. That is why *ONLY THE PEOPLE WHOSE CODE WAS USED NEEDED TO BE ASKED*, and not everyone who contributed a line of code long since discarded. The GPL means the authors retain their copyright, and not that every contributor automatically gets full copyrights to the entire software.
> My word on that.
A pretty worthless word it is then.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 42 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 01-Dec-2002 20:45 GMT
@Bernd Meyer:
I am sorry that you didn't get what you should have got for your work. Wish you all the best for your future.
Best regards,
Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 43 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 01-Dec-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (kevin orme):
Actually, it is companies, like softwarehut, that have to be smacked down by the consumers. If this was the first anyone heard of IP infringement, then I could see your point. But it's been half a year since we knew about it and the retailers knew about it. If they were a honest business, they would have held back ordering any new copies six months ago and should have zero inventory left. If they have inventory left after they knew about the IP issues, sucks to be them.
Dammy
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 44 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 01-Dec-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
He was granted a license from the author's of UAE, that was non-GPL, that's legal (the author of UAE can of course grant any licensing he wants, at any time). However that said, contributing whatever changes he's made back to UAE would be quite nice.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 45 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Billy Boy on 01-Dec-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Bill Hoggett):
Hey Bill Hogget,
it seems you become pretty useless now as "an honored member of the eternal flame threads" .. your "insider" and "expert" knowledge is even more useless it seems .. you didn't predict this. Oh yes, this says all about your motives. And now, let the amiga scene their peace and stop flaming. You have already reached one of your major goals it seems :)
Best regards,
Billy The Boy
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 46 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 01-Dec-2002 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (MIKE):
Yeah, that would be nice if Bernie could do some more JIT releases for UAE. I'm sure that would hurt H&P in the pocketbook.
Dammy
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 47 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Dec-2002 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Billy Boy):
> Hey Bill Hogget,
> it seems you become <snip>
Go crawl back under your rock.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 48 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by kevin orme on 01-Dec-2002 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (dammy):
and how do you know they didn't order after 6 months ago? Do you have their financial records (or access to them)? That's my point - there's too many variables here and the dealers weren't the ones causing the problem in the first place.
Under your logic, anyone who bought an american car in the late 70's through the early 90's was guilty of violating the patent owner's IP of inventing intermittent windshield wipers and thus should plead 'guilty', including the dealers of those cars and their buyers.
Of course, what ended up happening was the car companies who STOLE the technology ended up coughing up a LOT of money in court when finally the lawsuits by the inventor ended and he won. No dealers were 'complicit' in the IP theft, nor were consumers.
- why is this any different? I don't think it is. And because none of us know all the specific details save for those involved who aren't going to tell likely due to legal reasons, we're simply out of luck. I agree BM got the shaft, but sadly enough he's not a deep pocket where he can force the bad guys to cough up the IP, let alone the money they may owe him. 'Trial by ANN/Amiga.org' is little better than the tabloids, sad to say.
kevin orme
amiga university
www.amigau.com
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 49 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 01-Dec-2002 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Billy Boy):
> you didn't predict this
...you weren't listening, that's all.
"Berniethlon" - The End : Comment 50 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2002 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Bill Hoggett):
Ok listen Mr. Bill Hogget. You are definately going to FAR with your personal attacks and insults. I simply replied to Kronos in a normal 'questioning' way. No trolls, no bad intentions no insultings. You and 3 others one are the people that most of the time are filling books in the threads by replying a lot of nonsense, frustrations and personal problems. I think I have the same freedom and rights to reply to other people than anyone else here by respecting the rules of ANN.lu. I would appreciate if you start to shut your mouth. Either you reply to me in a normal respective way or not. Personal insults I don't like.
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