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[Web] Pegasos UK goes Live!ANN.lu
Posted on 03-Dec-2002 19:23 GMT by Pegasos UK Team (Edited on 2002-12-03 20:45:22 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)38 comments
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London-UK December 3,2002. Following earlier announcements by Genesi SARL this morning... We are very pleased to announce that www.pegasos-uk.com is Live and ready to accept orders. www.Pegasos-uk.com has been designed to work in any available browser. So don't delay, go on and have a look at your special Pegasos/Morphos site. Please feel free to contact us at info@pegasos-uk.com for more information!! Kind Regards. The Pegasos UK Team.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 1 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by StAn on 03-Dec-2002 18:30 GMT
what about links that we can click on ? :P
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 2 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Dec-2002 19:16 GMT
Designed to work... badly?
There are unclosed FONT elements (hell, the fact that there are FONT elements at all is bad enough)
The front page is totally unnecessary. Language negotiation is an in-built feature of the web, use it and stop wasting my time by asking which language I want. Anyway it seems you only have English, so it's even more a waste of time.
The site is over-complicated. Yeah, I know it looks empty when you only sell one thing, and only have four news items, but the fact is that buttons which pretend to divide four news items into three "sections" are just wasting more time.
Also it doesn't hurt if the "Legal notice" shows a reasonable standard of English even if you let slip how uncomfortable you are with the language elsewhere. What you've got now screams "I wrote this from half-remembered fragments of other sites".
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 3 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Pegasos UK Team on 03-Dec-2002 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Thank you for your valious input!
There is always time to improve the site.
Kind Regards.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 4 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Dec-2002 19:40 GMT
Some interesting info. At least there were (*very* compressed) screenshots in there. Front page is butt-ugly though, and as previously mentioned totally unnecessary. The site could have done with just a bit of proof-reading before going live though. It seems like a bit of a rushed job. Not that I really want a machine that won't run AmigaOS 4, but if I did I wouldn't order from a place like this. For some reason attention to detail is important to me.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 5 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!!! on 03-Dec-2002 20:30 GMT
Let's Burn them!!!! Get the torches!!!
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 6 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 03-Dec-2002 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
going to google and get the site in swedish automatically just pisses me off.
I'd rather choose, but the default should be english(and then a link somewhere to change language.).
I hate when people "think" for me and does what they "think" is in my best interest.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 7 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 03-Dec-2002 21:11 GMT
Good grief...
Any of you complainers actually having a problem using the site, or are you just running web pages through validators to satisfy your inferiority complexes.
Go home you dweebs! Go back to finding errors in b-movies and your lame-ass comic books!
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 8 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 03-Dec-2002 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Pegasos UK Team):
Pegasos UK Team typed:
> Thank you for your valious input!
Ahaha! "Valious?" I will remember that one!
But seriously best of luck to you!
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 9 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 03-Dec-2002 21:50 GMT
Get a designer to do a decent site , thats horrid.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 10 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 03-Dec-2002 22:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cOrpse):
That's true!!! let's hack their server!!!
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 11 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 03-Dec-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (It's MEEE!!!):
"The site www.pegasos-uk.com is running Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) on Linux."
you go for it ;)
Myself , I'll continue trying to work out how to how-to create and connect sockets and then send and receive, all with the AmiTCP SDK.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 12 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 03-Dec-2002 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (cOrpse):
... a man with a mission ...
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 13 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Olly on 03-Dec-2002 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (strobe):
<i>"Any of you complainers actually having a problem using the site, or are you just running web pages through validators to satisfy your inferiority complexes. "</i>
You can't claim that your site "has been designed to work in any available browser", and then present us with invalid code. Its clearly not going to work in any old browser is it?
I dont see this as a "my websites better than yours" issue. Its an accessibility issue (OK, they've used alt tags, i commend that, but alt="logo"? Whats that going to mean to a text browser or screen reader? bugger all...).
Its a standardisation issue. Web developers have gotten away with writing non standard code for long enough. Thats why Opera, IBrowse and the like have to use stupid spoofing tricks/hacks to work with badly coded pages. Thats not the way it should be.
By the way, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegasos-uk.com%2Fenglish%2Fmenu_main.html throws up a fatal error before its even got started.
Anyway, enough of this rant. http://www.webstandards.org for more...
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 14 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 03-Dec-2002 22:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Olly):
@Olly
YAAAAAAWN!
Go do something exciting, like my taxes...
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 15 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 03-Dec-2002 23:15 GMT
Interesting. Only 300GBP+VAT. And who are the mysterious team behind this site (given that the "staff" link contains no real info about the staff)?
Not that I need to know, but it would be interesting to know if I'd met them at previous shows ;)
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 16 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Dec-2002 23:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (reflect):
What /are/ you gibbering about? Language negotiation works just as well for Google as for anyone else who understands the web. I have no objection to the existence of a "manual override" but forcing me to manually select my chosen language on visiting each site -- even though my browser clearly says I read English, is just a waste of time.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 17 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas W on 03-Dec-2002 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (tinman):
It's the mysterious morphing creatures from the shadows. They've come to take your money and send you hardware. No questions asked.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 18 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 03-Dec-2002 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
"but forcing me to manually select my chosen language on visiting each site -- even though my browser clearly says I read English, is just a waste of time."
Waaa waaa waaa! What a gigantic vagina.
Why don't you go to your language page then bookmark it!
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 19 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 04-Dec-2002 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Thomas W):
> They've come to take your money and send you hardware. No questions asked.
LOL! That's a novel idea. Exchanging money for goods.
Surely we can't have it that way. Not if we're REAL AMIGANS! No Siree. I want to buy a coupon, as a partial pre-payment, from one company that licenses a trademark which will in turn restrict my available options of vendors who in turn sell yet other companies' goods, and when those goods finally are available from the licensed vendor I want to get that prepayment deducted. That still sounds a bit too easy, so it would be even better if I never got any of those coupons, and instead had to contact the licensing company after my purchase, because the licensee can not keep the frivolous promises of the licensor, and then after having payed more money than someone who did not pre-order and not receiving the licensed goods before those who did not pre-order, then I can send some sort of proof of purchase back to the licensor (provided they're still in business) and hope that they can afford to pay me my money back. Oh, wait. It's still not complicated enough. I'm not even supposed to know what the preorder is for (a mobo distributed via the licensee or via the licensee to the licensor and then sold to the customer, or an OS, or a complete system built with that mobo), when it will be delivered and how much those goods will cost when eventually delivered. Oh, wait, it's still complicated enough. I want to be member of a fanclub of a corporation and provide free marketing, maybe a t-shirt would be a good idea. Yes, let's also use a name for that fanclub that's already in use. I also don't want to know when I will receive said t-shirt or what it looks like, and I don't feel the need to specify a size or anything. Oh, wait, the fanclub members should design the shirt themselves, that's cheap and nice for the object of my idolatry, the licensing company.
Paying money and receiving goods? Who do you think I am? One of those evil peecee users?
Amiga, So The World May Laugh
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 20 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 04-Dec-2002 00:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Lawd):
It's not that complicated in the mind of an Amiga apologist. In fact it's very simple:
Idol worship and self-flagellation keeps the volcano quiet.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 21 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 04-Dec-2002 01:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"Language negotiation is an in-built feature of the web, use it and stop
wasting my time by asking which language I want."
If it is what I think you are refering to, I do hate it. For exampple, in the
Netherlands google.com suddenly insisted I want to read Dutch(which I don`t) and
it took me a while to figure out what url would give me the English site, had to
use google.com/en iirc.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 22 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 01:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (strobe):
And mindless droning from the other mindless camp of droids.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 23 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 04-Dec-2002 03:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cOrpse):
corpse wrote:
"Get a designer to do a decent site , thats horrid."
Horrid is a pretty strong word for a site that essentially does what it's supposed to do with no major breakdowns. True, there are problems with the text (I really suspect the author is not a native English speaker; if he is, he should find somebody to proofread his copy) and the site is clearly a work in progress, but it could be (and often is) much worse.
Obviously, some people here (slight understatement) are strongly biased so nothing short of the w3c homepage would meet their high standards (and then that page would be "too dull" or something). So this is all very predictable, and dispensable. But I imagine after all the (deserved) criticism Amiga, Inc. gets for its web pages, turnabout is fair play. Try to come up with something more specific, though, if you want to label a website "horrid." Just looks like sour grapes/raw partisanship otherwise.
-- gary_c
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 24 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 04-Dec-2002 06:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
That sums it all up rather nicely. End of story.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 25 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 04-Dec-2002 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
I didn't say that you should be FORCED. READ my post, I said there should be a DEFAULT language, the shop is afterall located in UK, therefor an english language wouldn't be TOO surprising, now would it? And if you WANTED another language, there could be a link or whatnot to change. THAT is what I said.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 26 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (amorel):
Language negotation is controlled by the user either in the OS or in the web browser, it's a locale feature. If YOU set it up wrong don't point the finger at me or Google. If someone else (e.g. ISP, computer vendor, little sister) set it this way then change it, and don't point the finger at me or Google.
I just tested Google (since it has always communicated with me in English) and sure enough it does obey language negotiation properly, responding in Afrikaans when I suggested that I knew only Ancient Greek, Elvish and Afrikaans. At least, it looked like Afrikaans to me. Certainly not Greek.
In most browsers setting your language preferences takes less than 30 seconds (a couple of minutes if you're particularly multi-lingual) and thousands of sites written by people who actually read the documentation will magically appear in your preferred language without any further action. Now we just need to convert a few million more sites and life will be as easy as it should be.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 27 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (reflect):
But most browsers explicitly TELL the web server during every single transaction which languages I claim to be able to read. So why assume I read English when the site can just look at the headers and FIND OUT?
This isn't some new feature introduced last year, it's in HTTP 1.0 even if half the Amiga web browsers don't support it (they don't support other i18n features either). It's even common sense - your preferred language doesn't change much whether you are reading Google or Slashdot, ANN or LiveJournal. So the web browser can take care of finding it out, and you can avoid clicking on stupid flag icons (which are a horrible UI mistake anyway) in most of the sites you visit.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 28 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 04-Dec-2002 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
all my browsers are set to english only.
the language used on my compputer is english only. Google, which was in my example, didn't use normal html 1.0 features in the beginning, atleast.
if a smart site uses the setting in the browser, fine by me. if a dumb site checks where you're coming from and then sets the language to your native tongue, then it sucks cause they pretend to think for me - which is what I was on about from the start with my original post.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 29 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 04-Dec-2002 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Lawd):
LOL!!
that was great man keep it up!! ;) this is what makes ann worth reading .. !!!
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 30 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Dec-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Google seems to be checking my IP... It ALWAYS redirects me to www.google.com.gr
with EVERY browser I have, while English is my prefered language in ALL my
browsers and OSes.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 31 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Dec-2002 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (gary_c):
the sites neither clean nor well constructed.
Thick table borders , a lack of colour cordination and poorly produced graphics are just some of its problems ( this is not bias ; many of the problems here can also be seen on the amiga inc site)
And then it insults you with :
"this the site has been optimized to be displayed on a resolution of 1024x768 on any browser, but it should be ok also in 800x600."
1024x768 is un-realistic to design for , and this is meant to be designed for amiga browsers so its even more un-realistic to expect users to use 1024x680 or scroll around , i doubt they gave a thought about amiga users using the standard graphics output or the browser chrome of amiga browsers.
And even worse then the atheistic issues is the sloppy HTML :
"
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
"
There are alot better ways of producing "gaps" then this.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 32 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Pegasos UK Team on 04-Dec-2002 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Daniel Miller):
You have really trapped us ;-)
We are a group of three year old babies that are still learning English!!
Thank you very much for your comment.
Pegasos UK.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 33 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Pegasos UK Team on 04-Dec-2002 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (tinman):
We will be present in Aachen (Germany) 7-8 December. You are invited to speak with us.
Kind Regards.
Pegasos UK.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 34 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Pegasos UK Team on 04-Dec-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (gary_c):
Thank you very much for you very "valuable" input ;-)
We really appreciate your words.
Regarding the problems with the text believe us if we tell you that we distributed the page between several friends to check that everything was OK. It might not be the best site in the world but as you stated it does the job that is supposed to do and has been carefully designed (even if some people think not).
Kind Regards.
Pegasos UK.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 35 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 04-Dec-2002 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Pegasos UK Team):
But I won't be....unless you want to pay for a flight ;)
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 36 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 04-Dec-2002 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (tinman):
Correct me if I am wrong but isnt that a residential house address? My girlfriend came
from around that area and sayes those are all residential houses. She might be
wrong but it ties with the map location and the aerial photo we just looked up.
Nothing wrong with bedroom sales tho.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 37 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 04-Dec-2002 22:10 GMT
I like the site, it's clean and I found it easy to find the
information I was looking for.
I'm not particularly distressed by the use of multiple html
linebreaks, the copyright notice has a couple of grammar errors but I
can survive that too, and for the more interesting content I found
everything well thought out and understandable.
I think you've done a good job at starting in the right end, giving
priority to what's really important. I'm sure you can make your html
please the pedants later on, but I think it's understandable that
you're mainly interested in selling the Pegasos.
Pegasos UK goes Live! : Comment 38 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 05-Dec-2002 04:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (cOrpse):
corpse wrote:
>the sites neither clean nor well constructed.
Maybe I need to take another look [ ;-) ]. I got around in it with no trouble at all. While no Webby-winner, it didn't strike me as any worse than a lot of similar web sites around, with the English useage mistakes being the major offender in my opinion.
> Thick table borders , a lack of colour cordination and poorly produced graphics are just some of its problems ( this is not bias ; many of the problems here can also be seen on the amiga inc site)
It's good to see detailed criticism so it can be addressed, if necessary.
> And then it insults you with :
"this the site has been optimized to be displayed on a resolution of 1024x768 on any browser, but it should be ok also in 800x600."
1024x768 is un-realistic to design for , and this is meant to be designed for amiga browsers so its even more un-realistic to expect users to use 1024x680 or scroll around , i doubt they gave a thought about amiga users using the standard graphics output or the browser chrome of amiga browsers.
I don't find that statement "insulting." But you're right that the pages should be designed to display OK at both 800x600 and 1024x768, so the designers should go for that and not have to make any statement about display sizes.
> And even worse then the atheistic issues is the sloppy HTML :
"
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
"
That's pretty harmless, as far as sloppy coding goes. I consider "sloppy HTML" something that produces unintended, unexpected results. If this is the worst of their sins, then they're doing pretty good.
> There are alot better ways of producing "gaps" then this.
Yeah, but it still works fine, even in Amiga browsers, I imagine. ;-) Anyway, thanks for being more specific.
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